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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 12:42:29 PM
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Well, who's it going to be?
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Brian Wardle
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NOOOO ! ! !
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Archie current favorite.
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Brian Wardle
Shut your face.
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Brad Stevens with the cover fire of IU talk in order to throw people off his discussions at the Al
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Beilein
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The Celtics did practice at the AL when they played the Bucks in the Playoffs in 2019.
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This thread is going to be equal parts delusion and hilarity.
I for one, am looking forward to it.
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Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Can’t wait to see Tom Crean do anything and everything he can to get back to Marquette. ...
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This thread is going to be equal parts delusion and hilarity.
I for one, am looking forward to it.
+1
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Can’t wait to see Tom Crean do anything and everything he can to get back to Marquette. ...
Right on cue.
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Brian Wardle
Please God no.
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This thread is going to be equal parts delusion and hilarity.
I for one, am looking forward to it.
I support this initiative.
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I’m thinking Dennis Gates or Craig Smith as my realistic top 2. Gates has the resume of a top assistant plus us done a great job at Cleveland State. Smith has be successful at two stops and been a high major assistant.
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Crean sucks
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Whoever it is, I hope it's finalized relatively soon. You have to imagine that most of our current roster will enter the transfer portal or decommit, but this is easily the best year to reload via the transfer market. Having a coach in place soon will be key to getting some of the good ones, with what could be almost unlimited playing time available.
I wouldn't hate Archie Miller as the hire. Who knows how it would pan out, but I'd be willing to give him the ol' 5 year try. Same goes for Porter Moser.
Beilein would be great, but at his age, you have to imagine that he'd be a short-term solution and we'd need to be thinking about his eventual replacement from day one.
If it's Wardle, we're in trouble.
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I’m thinking Dennis Gates or Craig Smith as my realistic top 2. Gates has the resume of a top assistant plus us done a great job at Cleveland State. Smith has be successful at two stops and been a high major assistant.
Add in Medved. I don't know if DeVries is a realistic candidate. Signed that extension at Drake and the AD's Scholls' boy.
I wonder we got intel DePaul was going to hire Gates so we made the move. We rushed to hire Deane because Dayton was going to hire him.
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I'm just hoping we move on from the up-and-coming-assistant idea. Let's go out and get a proven HC.
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Probably shouldn’t want this because he was on Wojo’s staff...but any thoughts on Stan coming back? I really liked him. Had a good first year at LMU.
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I think we need to go for it meaning a gargantuan swing. Beilein, Oats, and then perhaps Moser.
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Probably shouldn’t want this because he was on Wojo’s staff...but any thoughts on Stan coming back? I really liked him. Had a good first year at LMU.
I’d put his odds at 1% higher than Pitino
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Probably shouldn’t want this because he was on Wojo’s staff...but any thoughts on Stan coming back? I really liked him. Had a good first year at LMU.
Bring back an assistant who was on staff with a teams that didn't meet everyone's standards. Why would we do that?
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I'm just hoping we move on from the up-and-coming-assistant idea. Let's go out and get a proven HC.
Last time we tried that we got Mike Deane. Before that, Bob Dukiet.
Which isn't to say it would be wrong this time. But there's no right or wrong answer.
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Beilien should be the pipe dream call. Gates should be the second call.
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I think we need to go for it meaning a gargantuan swing. Beilein, Oats, and then perhaps Moser.
No thanks on Moser. Belein would be awesome. Don't think Oats is realistic at all.
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No thanks on Moser. Belein would be awesome. Don't think Oats is realistic at all.
Nate Oats has a $12.5 million buyout.
There's a better chance Marquette digs up Bob Dukiet and puts him on the sidelines than there is of Nate Oats coaching at Marquette next year.
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What’s our price range? Paying 2m a year gets us another Wojo.
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What’s our price range? Paying 2m a year gets us another Wojo.
We can bump that up? Liquidate your auxiliary stocks?
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I think we need to go for it meaning a gargantuan swing. Beilein, Oats, and then perhaps Moser.
Moser is not a big swing.
Big swing is:oats, shaka, bennett, or some other successful coach
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What’s our price range? Paying 2m a year gets us another Wojo.
If you mean a coach unproven at the high major level, then yes.
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Nate Oats has a $12.5 million buyout.
There's a better chance Marquette digs up Bob Dukiet and puts him on the sidelines than there is of Nate Oats coaching at Marquette next year.
Hopefully MU timed its buys and sells of Gamestop well.
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Minny mod floating Beleien as name to watch
Guys a goat. But turning 69 yr old (nice) and went away from Cavs with that racial comment.
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Beilien should be the pipe dream call. Gates should be the second call.
Yes. No idea if he wants back in the game. Was frustrated with college recruiting and $$$, which is why he left.
Already called a few UM connections to see if I can get his cell number. Ha! Also, I’m kidding....
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Let's find a guy who has thick enough skin to actually have social media. Put that on the list of qualifications.
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I would kick the tires on Bob Richey @ Furman.
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Baldwin if his son comes for the ride?
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Let’s dream big guys. Oats may be too expensive, but who knows? Beilein, Matta.
All the Projos were wrong about Wojo’s firing. They could be wrong about Pitino, too.
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Some one told me Chris Mooney from Richmond is in the mix. Had two bad years few years ago, but righted the ship and has been an outstanding coach over the years.
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I just saw that Dennis Gates was a grad assistant at MU under Tommy. Anyone know if there is still a connection? He’d be near the top of my list.
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Let’s dream big guys. Oats may be too expensive, but who knows? Beilein, Matta.
All the Projos were wrong about Wojo’s firing. They could be wrong about Pitino, too.
I am glad your happy that Wojo was fired but there are many alums who care about the image of the program and the University and Pitino would be a stain on both. Let's try and not be like an SEC program where all we care about is winning.
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Lavin seems bored at FS1.
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I am glad your happy that Wojo was fired but there are many alums who care about the image of the program and the University and Pitino would be a stain on both. Let's try and not be like an SEC program where all we care about is winning.
Here's a guy who's obviously never been to an SEC tailgate.
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Let's try and not be like an SEC program where all we care about is winning.
Agreed, but let's at least make it an important aspect of the program.
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Let’s dream big guys. Oats may be too expensive, but who knows? Beilein, Matta.
All the Projos were wrong about Wojo’s firing. They could be wrong about Pitino, too.
Why stop there? Dream bigger.
Dream biggest.
Dream Doc Rivers.
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Here's a guy who's obviously never been to an SEC tailgate.
I guess I am one of the few people who care about the mission, image and character of the University and the program. So enjoy your tailgate parties.
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Lavin seems bored at FS1.
Gross. DePaul can have him.
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Some one told me Chris Mooney from Richmond is in the mix. Had two bad years few years ago, but righted the ship and has been an outstanding coach over the years.
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Some one told me Chris Mooney from Richmond is in the mix. Had two bad years few years ago, but righted the ship and has been an outstanding coach over the years.
Yikes. Richmond fans would love this. Again, yikes.
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Didn't know Gates was a GA for Crean. Whatever the choice, hope it's someone with some energy and not a semi-successful retread (Lavin and others) or part of some patriarchy (Scheyer..). I do care about the perception of Marquette and don't want our name dragged through the mud because of some sketchy hire.
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Mooney or Wardle and this place burns down again even worse than with Wojo & minus all his players (Carton, Dawson, Lewis & 2021 class)
Gates would be a high upside hire that would be big boost of energy back into things. Hope some big names get involved
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Here's a guy who's obviously never been to an SEC tailgate.
An important consideration in Marquette's coaching search, for sure.
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Baldwin if his son comes for the ride?
Good lord no. Low major coach for a single season of one and done? Hard pass.
I would kick the tires on Bob Richey @ Furman.
Lack of any high or mid major experience is a bit concerning, but otherwise he's shown potential taking over for Medved
Some one told me Chris Mooney from Richmond is in the mix. Had two bad years few years ago, but righted the ship and has been an outstanding coach over the years.
Guess we have different definitions of "outstanding". Been at Richmond for 15 years and finished better than 3rd...once. Hasnt made the tourney in a decade and the last 10 years, he's finished in the bottom half of the conference more than 50% of the time. That hire would make BC's look genius.
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Give me Joe Chapman!
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Will we give Thad Matta a call?
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Will we give Thad Matta a call?
Definitely worth a call. I don't see him in Milwaukee though.
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An important consideration in Marquette's coaching search, for sure.
Not tailgate related, per se, but I would love to see a guy with some personality who makes the game fun. I remember Crean coming out to see the students waiting in line for games when I was in school, and trying to energize everyone. That kind of experience helped cement my love for MU hoops. Finding a guy who will bring some fun back to the program would be a nice change of pace.
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What about Brad Sodeberg from UVA? Played for Dick Bennett at UWSP. HC at UW, SLU and top assistant at UVA? WI ties.
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I would've welcomed Pat Kelsey at MU 7 years ago, and I would welcome him more now. A charismastic X and O's coach who can recruit
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What about Brad Sodeberg from UVA? Played for Dick Bennett at UWSP. HC at UW, SLU and top assistant at UVA? WI ties.
Absolutely not.
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I would've welcomed Pat Kelsey at MU 7 years ago, and I would welcome him more now. A charismastic X and O's coach who can recruit
Most definitely. Plays a fun brand of ball too.
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Absolutely not.
I'm already amazed at the some of the names that posters are throwing out.
The next few days are going to be very entertaining.
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I would've welcomed Pat Kelsey at MU 7 years ago, and I would welcome him more now. A charismastic X and O's coach who can recruit
Isn’t there some skeletons in his closet? Coaching changes accounts HATES that guy and always alludes to sketchy stuff
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I would've welcomed Pat Kelsey at MU 7 years ago, and I would welcome him more now. A charismastic X and O's coach who can recruit
Or maybe Joe Pasternak from UCSB?
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Rick Pitino you want to win?
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BC
I would like to see us win.
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Isn’t there some skeletons in his closet? Coaching changes accounts HATES that guy and always alludes to sketchy stuff
He took the UMass job a few years ago and then backed out 30 minutes before his introductory press conference. Maybe that?
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Hate to say it, but it appears the pool of slam dunks is empty. Beleien is great, but too old (he'll be gone too soon to effectively recruit). Others have serious ethics issues, or simply not enough track record.
I wasn't real happy with the outcome of Wojo, but was willing to go one more year to see if some better coaching options developed. I just don't see them.
I hoped MU would give Doug Wojcik a look back when they went with Wojo instead. He was the talented PG for David Robinson at USNA, and ended up coaching at USNA, ND, and got a head coach job at Tulsa. Went to College of Charleston, then got fired for being too tough on his players after two years. I believe he is now at Michigan State (I could be wrong). I think the Charleston thing will keep him well out of the picture at this point. Solid recruiter. Good mind. Meets the ethics look the MU faithful want.
We need a guy who can come in and gel what is left behind (not the dumpster fire Wojo got - some serious talent on the roster and in the wings). It's something anyone can work with, but he needs to be someone those guys will rally behind and will believe they came here under X, and are getting 2X.
Hopefully, the MU leadership has someone lined up right away that can do that. I don't have that much faith, so press release in the next couple days please!!!
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I'm already amazed at the some of the names that posters are throwing out.
The next few days are going to be very entertaining.
Spot on - The opinions here are going to be hysterical!
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He took the UMass job a few years ago and then backed out 30 minutes before his introductory press conference. Maybe that?
That’s all I know of. Here are a couple of the tweets over time
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1366582653512728578?s=21
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1254953386803421184?s=21
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We passed on Hologram Al last time. Can we afford to do it yet again?
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I am in the Rick Pitino for Guaranteed Success Camp.
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I am in the Rick Pitino for Guaranteed Success Camp.
$10m buyout. Would be something
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I am in the Rick Pitino for Guaranteed Success Camp.
Lot of other guarantees with Rick too....
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Herman
I'm with you.
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Ryan Saunders?
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The Athletic's Brian Hamilton on what's next. Sounds like he hangs out here:
Marquette certainly could be a match for John Beilein in many ways. Not giving Loyola Chicago's Porter Moser a call would verge on malpractice. Here's guessing head coach experience will be imperative this time, so names like Dennis Gates, Ritchie McKay, Wes Miller or Craig Smith could enter the mix.
Full story:
https://theathletic.com/news/marquette-fires-coach-steve-wojciechowski-after-7-seasons/8n9pfGmpb8zj
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Herman
I'm with you.
Him or Beilein or Matta. Even if it's just a few years to get us back at least to 2002-2013 level I'll be happy.
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Not tailgate related, per se, but I would love to see a guy with some personality who makes the game fun. I remember Crean coming out to see the students waiting in line for games when I was in school, and trying to energize everyone. That kind of experience helped cement my love for MU hoops. Finding a guy who will bring some fun back to the program would be a nice change of pace.
Crean 2000-2003 energy is what I'm looking for coupled with someone who has known to make teams/players play above their individual rankings. If we only average 1 top hundred guy a year, but everyone stays and there is a sustainable program, sign me up for that. We crap on Wisconsin for good reason, but their recruiting and coaching is more sustainable for a non-blue blood.
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That’s all I know of. Here are a couple of the tweets over time
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1366582653512728578?s=21
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1254953386803421184?s=21
I dont know about Sandy Hook, but he also backed out of NKU at the 25th hour over buyout squabbles which rubbed people wrong.
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I am in the Rick Pitino for Guaranteed Success Camp.
I don't expect this to happen but it would, to me, single handedly undo the last 7 years. I am so excited for fresh blood right now.
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That’d be interesting.
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I predict MU strikes out on about their first 4 calls and ends up with Wardle. But I didn't think MU would fire him. So my guesses suck lately.
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According to BarStool......Brad Stevens wants out in Boston.....(tried to resign twice in the past month)
Indiana would try and back up the Brinks truck......So not likely....
That would be the dream hire.....
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According to BarStool......Brad Stevens wants out in Boston.....(tried to resign twice in the past month)
Indiana would try and back up the Brinks truck......So not likely....
That would be the dream hire.....
Is that you, Mark Titus?
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I predict MU strikes out on about their first 4 calls and ends up with Wardle. But I didn't think MU would fire him. So my guesses suck lately.
Agree hope we are wrong. Last time First Buzz, left Counzo was not interested, Shaka was the was not, then Rivers got us Wojo. We should call Beilein.
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Agree hope we are wrong. Last time First Buzz, left Counzo was not interested, Shaka was the was not, then Rivers got us Wojo. We should call Beilein.
Cuonzo was interested. He lost interest when he was told he wasn’t getting the job.
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Is Shaka in play? He was on the verge of being fired from Texas just last year. Maybe he wants out.
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Becky Hammon?
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Cuonzo was interested. He lost interest when he was told he wasn’t getting the job.
Happy to hear
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Becky Hammon?
I think she has NBA aspirations, and rightly so.
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I dont know about Sandy Hook, but he also backed out of NKU at the 25th hour over buyout squabbles which rubbed people wrong.
Listen to the passion in his Sandy Hook speech and think about how that translates in the locker room. He did the right thing by backing out of those other jobs. Shaka backed out of MU. Doesnt mean he's a bad coach.
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I am sure the AD had a list of candidates prior to the decision being made and was not a spur of the moment action.
I am hoping the new coach has:
-Head Coaching experience, not as an assistant.
-That the new coach be hired as soon as possible, just like Iowa State just did. This provides the new coach with an appropriate timeframe to talk to the current core players, the incoming recruits and those players in the transfer portal that were interested in MU. The current "no sitting out a year" transfer policy is going to wreck havoc on programs and enhance others.
-Head coach should have major ties to the AAU high school circuit, as well as the important hiring of his assistants, the ones who hit the road.
-Head coach who can teach players not to pass the ball into the stands, at other players feet, actually inbound the ball and how to set a moving pick without committing a personal foul.
-Head coach who has a defensive plan, where constant double teams do not lead to wide open threes.
Following a coach's termination usually results in few years of mediocrity, I wish the administration all the best in the hiring process. Not everyone will be happy with the new choice, all I remember was when Buzz was hired I almost hit the floor and contemplating what have they just done. That choice worked out pretty good while it lasted.
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I think she has NBA aspirations, and rightly so.
I also think it might be easier for her to succeed in the NBA environment.
But you never know, Marquette was the first catholic college to admit women back in 1908 (or so).
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I predict MU strikes out on about their first 4 calls and ends up with Wardle. But I didn't think MU would fire him. So my guesses suck lately.
This must be a hard day for you.
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I am sure the AD had a list of candidates prior to the decision being made and was not a spur of the moment action.
I am hoping the new coach has:
-Head Coaching experience, not as an assistant.
-That the new coach be hired as soon as possible, just like Utah just did. This provides the new coach with an appropriate timeframe to talk to the current core players, the incoming recruits and those players in the transfer portal that were interested in MU. The current "no sitting out a year" transfer policy is going to wreck havoc on programs and enhance others.
-Head coach should have major ties to the AAU high school circuit, as well as the important hiring of his assistants, the ones who hit the road.
-Head coach who can teach players not to pass the ball into the stands, at other players feet, actually inbound the ball and how to set a moving pick without committing a personal foul.
-Head coach who has a defensive plan, where constant double teams do not lead to wide open threes.
Following a coach's termination usually results in few years of mediocrity, I wish the administration all the best in the hiring process. Not everyone will be happy with the new choice, all I remember was when Buzz was hired I almost hit the floor and contemplating what have they just done. That choice worked out pretty good while it lasted.
Maybe I missed it, but who did Utah hire? or are you talking about Iowa State?
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I am sure the AD had a list of candidates prior to the decision being made and was not a spur of the moment action.
I am hoping the new coach has:
-Head Coaching experience, not as an assistant.
-That the new coach be hired as soon as possible, just like Utah just did. This provides the new coach with an appropriate timeframe to talk to the current core players, the incoming recruits and those players in the transfer portal that were interested in MU. The current "no sitting out a year" transfer policy is going to wreck havoc on programs and enhance others.
-Head coach should have major ties to the AAU high school circuit, as well as the important hiring of his assistants, the ones who hit the road.
-Head coach who can teach players not to pass the ball into the stands, at other players feet, actually inbound the ball and how to set a moving pick without committing a personal foul.
-Head coach who has a defensive plan, where constant double teams do not lead to wide open threes.
Following a coach's termination usually results in few years of mediocrity, I wish the administration all the best in the hiring process. Not everyone will be happy with the new choice, all I remember was when Buzz was hired I almost hit the floor and contemplating what have they just done. That choice worked out pretty good while it lasted.
And there's a lot of those guys currently unemployed or compensated less than what MU pays.
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Maybe I missed it, but who did Utah hire? or are you talking about Iowa State?
He's confused, Utah hasn't hired Wojo yet.
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Maybe I missed it, but who did Utah hire? or are you talking about Iowa State?
And I thank you.
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Moser is not a big swing.
Big swing is:oats, shaka, bennett, or some other successful coach
Never gonna get Shaka or Bennett
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I'd rather have Gregg Marshall than Pitino.
Marshall has some baggage, (but what's hitting a player and choking an assistant coach? Back in Al's day it was considered fiery.)
He got over a $7 million buyout from Wichita State, so he's probably not hurting for cash. Also still in his 50's.
After his rebuild season at Wichita he averaged 27 wins per season over his last 11 years.
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I'd rather have Gregg Marshall than Pitino.
Marshall has some baggage, (but what's hitting a player and choking an assistant coach? Back in Al's day it was considered fiery.)
He got over a $7 million buyout from Wichita State, so he's probably not hurting for cash. Also still in his 50's.
After his rebuild season at Wichita he averaged 27 wins per season over his last 11 years.
His racial slurs were a nice touch too
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Time to think outside the box. Would Becky Hammon want a college head coaching position or is she holding out to be an NBA head coach?
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I predict MU strikes out on about their first 4 calls and ends up with Wardle. But I didn't think MU would fire him. So my guesses suck lately.
You, and others, defended Wojo often. I don't have a problem with that, but where do you see him landing? When other schools that are at or above MU's level have no interest in Wojo will that be a sign that everyone who is in the know...knows that Wojo isn't a good coach?
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I'd rather have Gregg Marshall than Pitino.
Marshall has some baggage, (but what's hitting a player and choking an assistant coach? Back in Al's day it was considered fiery.)
He got over a $7 million buyout from Wichita State, so he's probably not hurting for cash. Also still in his 50's.
After his rebuild season at Wichita he averaged 27 wins per season over his last 11 years.
He's radioactive. Try again.
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I don't care where he lands. I am about who is next.
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He's radioactive. Try again.
His wife is as well.
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He's radioactive. Try again.
and Pitino's name is being thrown around?
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and Pitino's name is being thrown around?
Radioactive as well, and we don't have the cash for that. Lots of dreamers on the board. Put Matta, Beilein, Bennett, and Oats out of our heads asap also.
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Radioactive as well, and we don't have the cash for that. Lots of dreamers on the board. Put Matta, Beilein, Bennett, and Oats out of our heads asap also.
Why are Matta and Beilein out?
I mean ok there's a lot that points Matta holding for Butler but then why Beilein?
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Why are Matta and Beilein out?
I mean ok there's a lot that points Matta holding for Butler but then why Beilein?
If Stevens goes to Indiana, I’ll let myself dream more on Beilein if he truly wants to get back into coaching.
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My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
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and Pitino's name is being thrown around?
Difference between being a guy who had a FF and a S16, and one of the top college coaches of all time who took 3 different schools to a FF and has more S16s than games won by Marshall in the NCAA tourney.
That being said, infractions aside, Pitino is a charismatic guy who is fairly well liked. Marshall is widely known as a complete a**hole and bully even before the racial slurs and physical abuse came out.
Neither will be considered, but I can understand why people would still want Pitino and equally want no part of Gregggggg
My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
You have 1 candidate who is even the absurd realm of possibility...and thats Crean. Thats a WILD list. Shewww
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Why are Matta and Beilein out?
I mean ok there's a lot that points Matta holding for Butler but then why Beilein?
Better ask why would they. What does Beilein have to prove, and why would he want to do that at Marquette? Unless his son is promised the job when he is done, I can't find a reason. Why would he start a rebuild at the age of 68? I'm not saying its impossible, but I can't convince myself there is a snowballs chance in hell.
Thad Matta hasn't coached in 4 years. Why would he decide to come out of retirement to coach somewhere he has no ties to? PSU reached out to him and couldn't talk him into their spot. I don't know if he will ever coach again. Maybe he has the itch, and we could be the spot he dreams of... but I just don't see it happening.
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My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
Quite a list.
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Better ask why would they. What does Beilein have to prove, and why would he want to do that at Marquette? Unless his son is promised the job when he is done, I can't find a reason. Why would he start a rebuild at the age of 68? I'm not saying its impossible, but I can't convince myself there is a snowballs chance in hell.
Thad Matta hasn't coached in 4 years. Why would he decide to come out of retirement to coach somewhere he has no ties to? PSU reached out to him and couldn't talk him into their spot. I don't know if he will ever coach again. Maybe he has the itch, and we could be the spot he dreams of... but I just don't see it happening.
Why would Pitino take the Iona job?
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My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
Oy vey. A bunch of NBA/international guys and 2 coaches from our current conference.... and then Tan Tommy.
8 no thanks'
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Again Beilein.
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My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
This list is insane and Cooley is Wojo Part 2.
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Never gonna get Shaka or Bennett
Never said we would. Just used those individuals as a baseline for "big swing"
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Again Beilein.
Recruiting against will be easy for opponents
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28450077/coach-john-beilein-apologizes-cavs-says-meant-call-players-slugs-not-thugs
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Radioactive as well, and we don't have the cash for that. Lots of dreamers on the board. Put Matta, Beilein, Bennett, and Oats out of our heads asap also.
\Dont know what Pitino is making at Iona, but around 5 million per would surely get him. And then another couple million a year to surround him with an ethics infrastructure. Besides, a guy that one owned big stakes thoroughbreds cant be all bad. But keep him away from restaurant tables.
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1. Pitino
2. Oats
3. Shaka
4. Gates
5. Beilein
6. Matta
7. Archie
8. Crean
9. Craig Smith
10. Moser
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\Dont know what Pitino is making at Iona, but around 5 million per would surely get him. And then another couple million a year to surround him with an ethics infrastructure. Besides, a guy that one owned big stakes thoroughbreds cant be all bad. But keep him away from restaurant tables.
His buyout for him to leave Iona is 10 million dollars. It's a non starter.
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1. John Wooden
2. Phil Jackson
3. Red Auerbach
4. Norman Dale
5. Gregg Popovich
6. Mike Krzyzewski
7. Bobby Knight
8. James Naismith
My list is about as realistic as most of the names in this thread, so I will not be happy if the administration doesn't commit to winning and hire one of these names.
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1. Pitino - buyout plus salary plus squirmy
2. Oats - even bigger buyout plus salary
3. Shaka - if not before, why now? He's been successful in Texas this year with a tough conference
4. Gates - makes sense.
5. Beilein - older, why would have have interest, does his son come as a package?
6. Matta - Sounds great, but he hasn't coached a game in four years. Why Marquette, why now?
7. Archie - just burned out at IU rather quickly. Had Dayton going, maybe he's still got some juice?
8. Crean - If we have no one else, sure.
9. Craig Smith - makes sense
10. Moser - makes sense
Just my dumb dumb thoughts
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Call the Oral Roberts guy.
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1. John Wooden
2. Phil Jackson
3. Red Auerbach
4. Norman Dale
5. Gregg Popovich
6. Mike Krzyzewski
7. Bobby Knight
8. James Naismith
Several of those guys have no head coaching experience in a high major program.
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1. John Wooden
2. Phil Jackson
3. Red Auerbach
4. Norman Dale
5. Gregg Popovich
6. Mike Krzyzewski
7. Bobby Knight
8. James Naismith
My list is about as realistic as most of the names in this thread, so I will not be happy if the administration doesn't commit to winning and hire one of these names.
Just add Al McGuire to the list and now we're talking.
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If Porter Moser is Marquette’s next coach, does Sister Jean enter the Transfer Portal?
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Probably gonna be after the tourney ends. There is a Golden Eagles coach that just won, Paul Mills from Oral Roberts from Houston,Tx-great recruiting location
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This is Porter Mosier’s job to turn down. He lives on North Shore so he could get apartment in Milwaukee for late nights but otherwise not have to move his family.
DePaul wants him BAD.
I could see him staying at Loyola to be honest.
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This is Porter Mosier’s job to turn down. He lives on North Shore so he could get apartment in Milwaukee for late nights but otherwise not have to move his family.
DePaul wants him BAD.
I could see him staying at Loyola to be honest.
That's sort of my thought. We'll be pitching Moser against Depaul. If not I'd wager Craig smith, maybe Pat Kelsey, can't imagine they'd go with the Cleveland st guy. Exciting tenure but not enough there to make a splash.
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Brad Stevens with the cover fire of IU talk in order to throw people off his discussions at the Al
go back to chasing HS kids? AAU circuit bs? Nope.
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That's sort of my thought. We'll be pitching Moser against Depaul. If not I'd wager Craig smith, maybe Pat Kelsey, can't imagine they'd go with the Cleveland st guy. Exciting tenure but not enough there to make a splash.
Kelsey is my choice. He can obviously coach.
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This is Porter Mosier’s job to turn down. He lives on North Shore so he could get apartment in Milwaukee for late nights but otherwise not have to move his family.
DePaul wants him BAD.
I could see him staying at Loyola to be honest.
I think DePaul is going another direction. Also, I'm not sure that Moser would leave Loyola for another school in Chicago. That could put MU in play, if he's interested in making a move.
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Just my dumb dumb thoughts
I agree with all your thoughts. Except Shaka since there is smoke there.
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Take Beilein for 3 to 4 years then get Doc to come home and finish his coaching career at MU.
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I don't care where he lands. I am about who is next.
You’re already talking down the next coach (MU will strike out on 4 and “settle” for Wardle).
Look - I’m sorry you were wrong about Wojo’s coaching abilities. I’m sorry you were wrong about the school not firing Wojo. I’m sorry you were wrong about the university coming out in public support of Wojo in the immediate aftermath of yesterday’s blog / billboard. It sucks to have so much egg in your face - I can understand that.
But can you just swallow your pride here, admit Wojo needed to Gojo, and be optimistic that the next guy can take MUBB back to the place where it needs to be? It’s the least you can do.
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Steve Lavin? John Thompson III?
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I don't care where he lands. I am about who is next.
I get it...you're just going to pull for whoever is the coach at MU until they aren't anymore...but when you defend him as a good coach...by that logic teams should be interested. The fact that you already know they aren't says something.
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Brian Wardle
Hell no
Archie current favorite.
No he's not
Beilein
No (unless we make his son coach in waiting)
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Can’t wait to see Tom Crean do anything and everything he can to get back to Marquette. ...
Double hell no
I’m thinking Dennis Gates or Craig Smith as my realistic top 2. Gates has the resume of a top assistant plus us done a great job at Cleveland State. Smith has be successful at two stops and been a high major assistant.
Yes and yes
Add in Medved. I don't know if DeVries is a realistic candidate. Signed that extension at Drake and the AD's Scholls' boy.
Not sure but both are solid
Probably shouldn’t want this because he was on Wojo’s staff...but any thoughts on Stan coming back? I really liked him. Had a good first year at LMU.
There's definitely a faction that would push for that
I think we need to go for it meaning a gargantuan swing. Beilein, Oats, and then perhaps Moser.
No (see above), no (12.5 million buyout), and no
I would kick the tires on Bob Richey @ Furman.
No
Baldwin if his son comes for the ride?
F*ck no
Let’s dream big guys. Oats may be too expensive, but who knows? Beilein, Matta.
All the Projos were wrong about Wojo’s firing. They could be wrong about Pitino, too.
No (he is too expensive), no (see above), no (already said no), and no (for very obvious reasons)
Some one told me Chris Mooney from Richmond is in the mix. Had two bad years few years ago, but righted the ship and has been an outstanding coach over the years.
No
Give me Joe Chapman!
No
What about Brad Sodeberg from UVA? Played for Dick Bennett at UWSP. HC at UW, SLU and top assistant at UVA? WI ties.
I don't think any assistants make the list
I would've welcomed Pat Kelsey at MU 7 years ago, and I would welcome him more now. A charismastic X and O's coach who can recruit
Don't think so but maybe
Or maybe Joe Pasternak from UCSB?
Yes but don't think he's high on the list
The Athletic's Brian Hamilton on what's next. Sounds like he hangs out here:
Ritchie McKay, Wes Miller
Full story:
https://theathletic.com/news/marquette-fires-coach-steve-wojciechowski-after-7-seasons/8n9pfGmpb8zj
Yes, No
Never gonna get Shaka or Bennett
Correct
I'd rather have Gregg Marshall than Pitino.
Marshall has some baggage, (but what's hitting a player and choking an assistant coach? Back in Al's day it was considered fiery.)
He got over a $7 million buyout from Wichita State, so he's probably not hurting for cash. Also still in his 50's.
After his rebuild season at Wichita he averaged 27 wins per season over his last 11 years.
Double F*ck no
My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
That's...something
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I really don't understand why Moser is so low on everybody's list. Lets take todays game as an example.
GT was killing them early, and giving them hell defensively. Moser recognized it, moved Krutwig away from the post to open up space and now they're up 8 with 2 minutes to play.
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Call the Loyola Chicago Coach.
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I really don't understand why Moser is so low on everybody's list. Lets take todays game as an example.
GT was killing them early, and giving them hell defensively. Moser recognized it, moved Krutwig away from the post to open up space and now they're up 8 with 2 minutes to play.
yep incredible what hes done. would take him in a sec
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leito?
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Updated Athletic story lists Belein, Smith, Stan, Moser, Gates, Ward and McKay as the leading candidates. Says Moser and McKay are the most likely.
https://theathletic.com/2464390/2021/03/19/marquette-basketball-coaching-candidates-porter-moser-ritchie-mckay-john-beilein?source=user-shared-article
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Everyone knows GT is playing without their best player right?
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Everyone knows GT is playing without their best player right?
No I didn’t.
But it was never an excuse for MU to lose without out best player. So it’s not an excuse for Georgia Tech.
Call the Loyola Chicago guy.
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I really don't understand why Moser is so low on everybody's list. Lets take todays game as an example.
GT was killing them early, and giving them hell defensively. Moser recognized it, moved Krutwig away from the post to open up space and now they're up 8 with 2 minutes to play.
Yeah this has been impressive and had everything to do with in game adjustments
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Ritchie McKay, Wes Miller
Yes, No
McKay is well below .500 (54-71) as a HC in non-1 bid conferences. It seems he's got it going well at Liberty after he spent time at UVA, but thats a massive red flag for an older guy. Especially since the ASUN has been absolutely putrid the last few years, its hard to gauge.
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No I didn’t.
But it was never an excuse for MU to lose without out best player. So it’s not an excuse for Georgia Tech.
Call the Loyola Chicago guy.
His name is Porter Moser and has been mentioned frequently.
This game, or any game in the tournament, is a reason to call a head coach.
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McKay is well below .500 (54-71) as a HC in non-1 bid conferences. It seems he's got it going well at Liberty after he spent time at UVA, but thats a massive red flag for an older guy. Especially since the ASUN has been absolutely putrid the last few years, its hard to gauge.
Don't get the love for Ritchie McKay either. Was a rocket 10 years ago in coaching and flamed out. Safety net, sure, but it won't get there unless MU is staying cheap.
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Screw it, just use Hologram Al.
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Screw it, just use Hologram Al.
How does Hologram Al fist fight players? Big loss there.
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McKay is well below .500 (54-71) as a HC in non-1 bid conferences. It seems he's got it going well at Liberty after he spent time at UVA, but thats a massive red flag for an older guy. Especially since the ASUN has been absolutely putrid the last few years, its hard to gauge.
He's done very well at Liberty which is a hard place to do well. Diversity of experience which may be an overcorrection from hiring an unproven assistant. Has recent experience recruiting to a high major program. Has a clear system and recruits to it.
Wouldn't be my first choice by any stretch. But I do think he's on the list and don't think is bad for a 5th or 6th option.
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I would like to know what D-Wade is doing these days.
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Everyone knows GT is playing without their best player right?
ACC player of the year.
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I would like to know what D-Wade is doing these days.
Enjoying life.
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My list:
1. Ed Cooley
2. Doc Rivers
3. Becky Hammon
4. Brad Stevens
5. Ryan Saunders
6. Tom Crean
7. David Blatt
8. Mike Anderson
As I review it seems very outside the box, but the NBA style of play with spacing and shooting wins games and is exciting AND wins in the Big East (ref: Nova). Cooley and Anderson don't have that style but they have aggressive D and fun to watch teams. Given MU's resources, any of these can win.
This list is out of control.
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Smith and Moser top my list of best "reasonable" candidates. Of course would love Beilein or Matta.
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Smith and Moser top my list of best "reasonable" candidates. Of course would love Beilein or Matta.
This is where I'm at. Dream hires would be Beilein and Matta. Strong, more realistic hires of Moser, Smith, and Gates I'd be great with too.
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He's done very well at Liberty which is a hard place to do well. Diversity of experience which may be an overcorrection from hiring an unproven assistant. Has recent experience recruiting to a high major program. Has a clear system and recruits to it.
Wouldn't be my first choice by any stretch. But I do think he's on the list and don't think is bad for a 5th or 6th option.
FOB. Friend of Buzz
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You’re already talking down the next coach (MU will strike out on 4 and “settle” for Wardle).
Look - I’m sorry you were wrong about Wojo’s coaching abilities. I’m sorry you were wrong about the school not firing Wojo. I’m sorry you were wrong about the university coming out in public support of Wojo in the immediate aftermath of yesterday’s blog / billboard. It sucks to have so much egg in your face - I can understand that.
But can you just swallow your pride here, admit Wojo needed to Gojo, and be optimistic that the next guy can take MUBB back to the place where it needs to be? It’s the least you can do.
Having the 5 Dollar Bitcher lecture someone on being optimistic is delicious.
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Having the 5 Dollar Bitcher lecture someone on being optimistic is delicious.
Would you like to join the party of those getting roasted for their moronic posts over the last 6 months?? I’d happily oblige.
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1. John Wooden
2. Phil Jackson
3. Red Auerbach
4. Norman Dale
5. Gregg Popovich
6. Mike Krzyzewski
7. Bobby Knight
8. James Naismith
My list is about as realistic as most of the names in this thread, so I will not be happy if the administration doesn't commit to winning and hire one of these names.
You're going to include dead guys, then why isn't Al on your list?
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What about Jon Scheyer?
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What about Jon Scheyer?
;D
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Would you like to join the party of those getting roasted for their moronic posts over the last 6 months?? I’d happily oblige.
It's not moronic to say you've been overwhelmingly negative. Just saying there's a lot people toss your way that's worth getting defensive over, but negative or not positive is something that maybe is more of a look in word moment.
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What about Jon Scheyer?
I know your trolling, and Duke assistant connection aside, that would be my literal nightmare as Marquette's next coach.
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It's not moronic to say you've been overwhelmingly negative. Just saying there's a lot people toss your way that's worth getting defensive over, but negative or not positive is something that maybe is more of a look in word moment.
I’m just taking my 24 hours to gloat over all the condescending, high horse posters I (and others) had to wade through for the past few years.
Once that’s over - I’m all on board. Onward and upward. Let’s win.
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Don't overlook Wayne Tinkle Jr. He is Oregon States HC and just won the Pac 12 Tourney and beat #5 Tennessee today. His father whose name is also Wayne Tinkle, was Dean of Men at Marquette in the 60s.
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Tinkle is two games over .500 in seven seasons at OSU. That is seriously doubtful
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I really don't understand why Moser is so low on everybody's list. Lets take todays game as an example.
GT was killing them early, and giving them hell defensively. Moser recognized it, moved Krutwig away from the post to open up space and now they're up 8 with 2 minutes to play.
100%. Selfishly I hope they lose on Sunday and he's sitting in the Al on Monday.
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Don't overlook Wayne Tinkle Jr. He is Oregon States HC and just won the Pac 12 Tourney and beat #5 Tennessee today. His father whose name is also Wayne Tinkle, was Dean of Men at Marquette in the 60s.
Please overlook him. If they didn’t go on a run in the Pac12 tourney, a weak PAC 12 that had no top 4 seeds no less, he’d be a guy with 1 NCAA berth in 7 years, a .400 winning percentage in college, and no better than a finish tied for 4th in easily the weakest of the power basketball conferences over the last 7-8 years. Good lord no.
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If Porter Moser is Marquette’s next coach, does Sister Jean enter the Transfer Portal?
Good one!
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That's sort of my thought. We'll be pitching Moser against Depaul. If not I'd wager Craig smith, maybe Pat Kelsey, can't imagine they'd go with the Cleveland st guy. Exciting tenure but not enough there to make a splash.
Kelsey is a good guy, good coach and intriguing candidate. Wouldn't make a big splash, but I do think he is an up and coming young coach.
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If we go after a existing head coach from a P6 conference, Mike Boynton?
If an assistant, would we consider young up and comers like Jordan Mincy, or Ulric Maligi.
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If we go after a existing head coach from a P6 conference, Mike Boynton?
If an assistant, would we consider young up and comers like Jordan Mincy, or Ulric Maligi.
I think some have worried Boyton was squirmy, or was that just Underwood? But they are closely linked.
His salary is pretty damn low but you’d think they would match a significant raise if someone came calling
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I thought I would bring a name into this conversation that probably is the one if he wants it, remember this when they pick him, Travis Diener, do not be surprised!
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I think some have worried Boyton was squirmy, or was that just Underwood? But they are closely linked.
His salary is pretty damn low but you’d think they would match a significant raise if someone came calling
I think he may be clouded a little due to the Underwood and Lamont Evans connections, but to the best of my knowledge, never once was he actually implicated or connected to any wrong doing. And he has done a great job at Oklahoma State, and does have a low salary.
I agree, Oklahoma State would likely match with a significant raise, but may be worth at least kicking the tires.
He's also originally from Brooklyn, so may like the idea of the Big East.
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Beilein in would be my first choice but if not Dennis Gates would probably be one of my second choices and someone mentioned on this site mentioned Dennis Gates was an assistant to Tom Crean at Marquette.
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Smith and Moser top my list of best "reasonable" candidates. Of course would love Beilein or Matta.
Hard to argue with that.
1. Beilein
2. Kelsey
3. Matta
4. Moser
5. Gates
6. Smith
Plenry others mentioned that are intriguing as well...I like the pool. I wouldn't hate Archie Miller, but I understand the concerns. Goodman mentioning Oates and Smart seemed like a geographical thing...but I respect Goodman.
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100%. Selfishly I hope they lose on Sunday and he's sitting in the Al on Monday.
I don't know about the sitting at the Al part, but the first part of your wish will come true.
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Hard to argue with that.
1. Beilein
2. Kelsey
3. Matta
4. Moser
5. Gates
6. Smith
Plenry others mentioned that are intriguing as well...I like the pool. I wouldn't hate Archie Miller, but I understand the concerns. Goodman mentioning Oates and Smart seemed like a geographical thing...but I respect Goodman.
This is a good thought out list. I like your list. Moser would probably cost a bundle but I like him next to Beilein and Gates. I like Smith too.
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Has anyone mentioned Beilein?
Don’t underestimate the Jesuit connection.
A boy can dream, no?
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If MU wanted to talk to Dennis Gates, they can start tomorrow. Just got beat by 30.
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Has anyone mentioned Beilein?
Don’t underestimate the Jesuit connection.
A boy can dream, no?
There is some smoke here. Don't count him out just yet.
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Tinkle is two games over .500 in seven seasons at OSU. That is seriously doubtful
"he did beat the Buffs after all"
- Ed McMahon
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If MU wanted to talk to Dennis Gates, they can start tomorrow. Just got beat by 30.
I wouldn't hold it against him. Turned around a horrible Cleveland state program in 2 years. Connections to Marquette, Chicago, wouldn't be stunned if Jerel McNeal got involved. Florida State assistant for 8 years, only two bad years there with multiple seasons better than the best wojo season.
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I don’t think it’ll be Shaka, but did find it interesting that his name was the first Goodman mentioned.
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I don’t think it’ll be Shaka, but did find it interesting that his name was the first Goodman mentioned.
Paging Uncle Rico!
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I wouldn't hold it against him. Turned around a horrible Cleveland state program in 2 years. Connections to Marquette, Chicago, wouldn't be stunned if Jerel McNeal got involved. Florida State assistant for 8 years, only two bad years there with multiple seasons better than the best wojo season.
Like I said back in February... certain former players will be very happy if it’s Gates.
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Oh please
Like Shaka would leave Texas to come to
MU ?? lollll
Plus ... until this year, he’s done ZIP
at Texas
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Don't overlook Wayne Tinkle Jr. He is Oregon States HC and just won the Pac 12 Tourney and beat #5 Tennessee today. His father whose name is also Wayne Tinkle, was Dean of Men at Marquette in the 60s.
And he’s never coached outside or Montana or Oregon. Not happening.
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I don’t think it’ll be Shaka, but did find it interesting that his name was the first Goodman mentioned.
He immediately mentioned Oats after. So I assumed he had no clue and was just saying spicy names for buzz
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He immediately mentioned Oats after. So I assumed he had no clue and was just saying spicy names for buzz
He listed a bunch of guys with Midwest ties. I’d love if they are options, but I doubt it.
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Updated Athletic story lists Belein, Smith, Stan, Moser, Gates, Ward and McKay as the leading candidates. Says Moser and McKay are the most likely.
https://theathletic.com/2464390/2021/03/19/marquette-basketball-coaching-candidates-porter-moser-ritchie-mckay-john-beilein?source=user-shared-article
Brian Hamilton is a solid reporter and he knows Marquette well. He spoke repeatedly about the quality of the Marquette basketball job, calls it an extremely attractive opening.
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I don’t think it’ll be Shaka, but did find it interesting that his name was the first Goodman mentioned.
I noticed that too.
Well, guys, I’m doing my part at the OTB, lol.
So, my Italian friend from Highwood knows Pitino personally.
About a month ago I overheard them talking on the phone.
I told my friend, “next time you talk to Rick, ask him to please come to Marquette if we have an opening in the next year.”
So the next time they talked, my bud goes, “Coach Pitino said Marquette is a great school and basketball program.”
FWIW, they spoke again today, no talk of MU, but Rick thinks he can take the air out of the ball and “shorten the game” vs Alabama.
Tempted to take the 16.5 and the under.
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FWIW, they spoke again today, no talk of MU, but Rick thinks he can take the air out of the ball and “shorten the game” vs Alabama.
Tempted to take the 16.5 and the under.
This is the kind of take we could use more of! Under looks appealing.
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This is the kind of take we could use more of! Under looks appealing.
“Take it” with a grain of salt, and a warning. It’s 100% true, but just know I’ve gotten beat on the wire🐴 over ten times the last few days. 🐎
Coffee-Cake Face and Eddie Moysh must be staring at my picks 😂
Have fun. Don’t bet the 🏡
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“Take it” with a grain of salt, and a warning. It’s 100% true, but just know I’ve gotten beat on the wire🐴 over ten times the last few days. 🐎
Coffee-Cake Face and Eddie Moysh must be staring at my picks 😂
Have fun. Don’t bet the 🏡
MarquetteMike1977 you need to end your bender and sleep
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Not tailgate related, per se, but I would love to see a guy with some personality who makes the game fun. I remember Crean coming out to see the students waiting in line for games when I was in school, and trying to energize everyone. That kind of experience helped cement my love for MU hoops. Finding a guy who will bring some fun back to the program would be a nice change of pace.
It is such an indictment of Wojo’s personality that you thought Crean had one.
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It is such an indictment of Wojo’s personality that you thought Crean had one.
For most of us that’s all we know bud. When I was in school I remember Crean coming out when we were waiting in line and passing out McDonalds/Pizza/whatever. He’d actually talk to the students. He’s no Al I’m sure but he did a great job with the students.
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One question...
Does a PowerPoint presentation automatically disqualify a coaching candidate this time around?
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Brian Hamilton is a solid reporter and he knows Marquette well. He spoke repeatedly about the quality of the Marquette basketball job, calls it an extremely attractive opening.
We missed out on Tony Bennett years ago, so focus on the two potential HCs who play as slow as him.. ?-(
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We missed out on Tony Bennett years ago, so focus on the two potential HCs who play as slow as him.. ?-(
Was he advocating for those guys, or was he merely writing about them? The main opinion Hamilton really offered was that the Marquette job was attractive.
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For most of us that’s all we know bud.
I think you seriously underestimate the average age of the people that post here.
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So kind of an out there name I doubt is anywhere near the radar...A W Hamilton from Eastern Kentucky. Took over a moribund team and turned them around quick. Was the coach at Hargrave Military Academy for 7 years and won 90% of his games. Developed Naji Marshall, Montrezl Harrel, and Terry Rozier there. Spent a year under Kevin Keatts at NC St before getting the EKU job.
Love his style of play, he played at Marshall for a coach who had his team leading the country in 3PA and percentage a solid decade before it was the new trend. His time at Hargrave I think would aid in recruitment. And he’s only 40.
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I think you seriously underestimate the average age of the people that post here.
Yeah probably.
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I think you seriously underestimate the average age of the people that post here.
Wasn't there a poll a while back asking Scoopers their age?
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Was he advocating for those guys, or was he merely writing about them? The main opinion Hamilton really offered was that the Marquette job was attractive.
Wasn’t the quote that Moser and McKay were the most likely of the leading candidates?
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Wasn’t the quote that Moser and McKay were the most likely of the leading candidates?
It’s easy to look at Beilein’s track record and background and convince yourself the (likely) immediate returns are worth it. And maybe there’s pressure on Scholl and others to prioritize a short-term turnaround given the lack of recent postseason success. But Marquette probably should take a step back and go to someone with both head coach experience and a longer shelf life. Scholl mentioned diversity would be a “critical piece” of the process. So this might come down to McKay and Moser.
Hamilton's opinion is that MU should go with an experienced coach with a longer shelf life. He concluded that it "might" come down to McKay and Moser. I don't read that as he, Brian Hamilton, saying, "Hire McKay or Moser," but that they could end up the top candidates. We'll see!
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MarquetteMike1977 you need to end your bender and sleep
Lol Thank You Went bowling tonight with Family And Friends. Rode up in the elevator with Doc Rivers one time and he told me he used to text with Tom Crean in the middle of the night. Sat Next to Buck’s Donn Nelson’s Daughter in High School and she used to come in most days and tell me her Dad was up watching film to 3:30 in the morning again and was worried about him.
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Lol Thank You Went bowling tonight with Family And Friends. Rode up in the elevator with Doc Rivers one time and he told me he used to text with Tom Crean in the middle of the night. Sat Next to Buck’s Donn Nelson’s Daughter in High School and she used to come in most days and tell me her Dad was up watching film to 3:30 in the morning again and was worried about him.
You've got me man. I don't know if you're scoop's most connected poster, freeway, or both. Cheers.
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Has anyone mentioned Beilein?
Don’t underestimate the Jesuit connection.
A boy can dream, no?
Have probably mentioned Beilein too many times but yes.
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Lol Thank You Went bowling tonight with Family And Friends. Rode up in the elevator with Doc Rivers one time and he told me he used to text with Tom Crean in the middle of the night. Sat Next to Buck’s Donn Nelson’s Daughter in High School and she used to come in most days and tell me her Dad was up watching film to 3:30 in the morning again and was worried about him.
Went to Bible study with Katie Nelson many years ago, lol.
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This is where I'm at. Dream hires would be Beilein and Matta. Strong, more realistic hires of Moser, Smith, and Gates I'd be great with too.
Agree with this. Think Moser would probably come with the highest price tag of the realistic ones you mentioned but not sure.
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Agree with this. Think Moser would probably come with the highest price tag of the realistic ones you mentioned but not sure.
Can’t you just call him quick and ask?
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Can’t you just call him quick and ask?
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
Hahahahahahaha.
Hahaha.
Ha.
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You've got me man. I don't know if you're scoop's most connected poster, freeway, or both. Cheers.
Freeway has me beat by far with connections. Met Freeway my 1st Day at MU playing basketball in the Schroeder Hall parking lot all day. We all walked into Schroeder at Sunset. Freeway assured me he was all right took his boom box and am guessing went back to the South side. Freeway is a righteous dude saw him at a few MU games in 2020 pre covid. I was a Dean’s List Student at Marquette University but admit English was my worst subject haha. Cheers!
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Can’t you just call him quick and ask?
My MU College Roommate did get his picture with Sister Jean after Loyola’s Final Four run and sent it to me but do not know Moser haha. Crean was good friends with Moser that is what got Illinois State up here when Porter was the ISU Head Coach and MU beat him by pretty much cheers.
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I really don't understand why Moser is so low on everybody's list. Lets take todays game as an example.
GT was killing them early, and giving them hell defensively. Moser recognized it, moved Krutwig away from the post to open up space and now they're up 8 with 2 minutes to play.
Moser looks great...this year. And during the final four year. In between those two years they looked less great. That's my personal issue with Moser, he's very inconsistent. In his 10 seasons, he's overperformed his KenPom expectations significantly 5 times...but he's also underperformed significantly 4 times (performed about to expectations once).
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Has anyone mentioned Drake Coach Darian DeVries
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Tweet copied from Big East Golden Eagle
am very very very excited to see DJ, Dawson, and Justin together with new coaches.
I sure hope it is here at Marquette because the atmosphere is perfect for them.
They are going to be a PRIMETIME group if they stick together in Milwaukee
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Whoever ot is let's just get a guy (or girl- I'm with Brew here) who is a proven winner. If that's st the P6 level, great, but I would much rather get a midmajor coach who has won at that level with the resources available than a highmajor assistant or coach with so so track record
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Moser looks great...this year. And during the final four year. In between those two years they looked less great. That's my personal issue with Moser, he's very inconsistent. In his 10 seasons, he's overperformed his KenPom expectations significantly 5 times...but he's also underperformed significantly 4 times (performed about to expectations once).
Moser does look intriguing. His last 3 years at Loyola are very good but before that it is Wardlesque. Would question if he has interest
But of course, that is why you do a search
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Does twitter order followers by most recent still? Gates top followers are basically all of MU basketball past 20 years (including Buzz). I know he was at MU, just wondering if everyone is reaching out now. #twittertracker
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I don't know about recruiting but the man with the highest Bball IQ has to be Ners. We know they would be able to dunk.
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Does twitter order followers by most recent still? Gates top followers are basically all of MU basketball past 20 years (including Buzz). I know he was at MU, just wondering if everyone is reaching out now. #twittertracker
Yup. He’s 100% getting interviewed.
I like it!
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I would hire Ritchie McKay. Much more qualified than Gates
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An article on his last recruiting class. Nothing crazy but he did get two 3* to come there. Top class for conference.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/sports/college/2020/04/cleveland-state-basketballs-unique-recruiting-class-highly-regarded-tops-in-horizon-league.html%3foutputType=amp
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I would hire Ritchie McKay. Much more qualified than Gates
Maybe ... but numerous candidates were "more qualified" than Beard before Texas Tech hired him and than Buzz before Marquette hired him.
If we tried to hire somebody with Beard's or Buzz's resume today, at least half of this board would express supreme disgust.
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I would hire Ritchie McKay. Much more qualified than Gates
But also has a long track record of mediocrity as HC at schools other than Liberty.
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I'd be really disappointed with McKay. We'd have the same results and be boring as hell to watch.
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We missed out on Tony Bennett years ago, so focus on the two potential HCs who play as slow as him.. ?-(
Here, to me, was the "meat" of what Brian Hamilton said about our job opening (highlights were mine for emphasis):
In 2013, Marquette finished one win shy of a Final Four berth, capping a stretch of eight straight NCAA Tournament appearances under two coaches after it joined the Big East. It hasn’t won a game in the Big Dance in those two trips since, in 2017 and ’19. But this opening should stand out even in a suddenly tumultuous offseason as a massive opportunity for the next person to occupy the head coach’s office.
Regularly challenging for league titles is the bar to clear. “We’re all playing for championships,” Scholl said. “At least I believe Marquette is and should be.” But the expectations are not out of line with the reality of what the program can achieve, because the resources and institutional imperative to be good at men’s basketball supports those expectations. Marquette reported $14,979,149 in men’s basketball expenses in 2018-19, the latest available year in the U.S. Department of Education’s records. When you talk about being a power-conference contender, that’s very much putting your money where your mouth is. Fiserv Forum is an absolute gem of a home arena; sharing the space with the Milwaukee Bucks doesn’t diminish the amenities afforded the Golden Eagles as a co-tenant.
Marquette has made regional and national inroads in recruiting over the years, and the talent available in the Minnesota-Wisconsin-Illinois corridor is abundant. A new coach should be equipped to pursue whatever recruiting strategy he deems best in any given cycle. Real simply: It’s a very good job in a league that’s not prohibitive of consistent success. Scholl probably makes this move with a top-target candidate or two in mind already, but his phone will be buzzing regardless.
I like that, nationally, this is recognized as the kind of job a coach can turn into something sweet. Still, given how attractive Hamilton seems to think the MU position is, one would think we might do "better" than Moser or McKay.
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I don’t understand how McKay is being discussed. There is nothing there to make me believe he’s a legit candidate.
If it goes that deep, there are better AC to interview. Jon Jakus to name one.
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jeff goodman this morning said porter moser has coveted the marquette job for a while now.
goodman also said he thinks shaka will listen as he's losing a lot of seniors after this year and this is a chance for a fresh start back at a true basketball school.
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jeff goodman this morning said porter moser has coveted the marquette job for a while now.
goodman also said he thinks shaka will listen as he's losing a lot of seniors after this year and this is a chance for a fresh start back at a true basketball school.
Sorry. But didn’t someone “in the know” also say moser coveted the DePaul job. Also?
I mean Shaka would be interesting.
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Sorry. But didn’t someone “in the know” also say moser coveted the DePaul job. Also?
I mean Shaka would be interesting.
Oh i totally agree about your moser and depaul comment, ive read that too. Goodman just said that speaking to people close to moser he was told he loves the marquette job. Just thought id share it here.
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Oh i totally agree about your moser and depaul comment, ive read that too. Goodman just said that speaking to people close to moser he was told he loves the marquette job. Just thought id share it here.
Ya for sure! Sorry I wasn’t trying to belittle or drag ya down. Appreciate the info!
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Shaka would be something.
When he was the hot young coach who overperformed at VCU, everybody here wanted him. Now that it took him 6 years to finally have more than Wojo-level success at Texas - and we'll see how far he goes in the tourney - how would folks feel?
I, for one, would still be excited to have him here.
Seems so unlikely, though, that thinking about it would be a waste of energy. But these days, who knows?
And why wouldn't Moser want the Marquette job? It's twice the job Loyola is in every way; easily better than DePaul, too.
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I am big Shaka fan and would be 100% on board with that hire. Love his style of play.
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I am big Shaka fan and would be 100% on board with that hire. Love his style of play.
He’s such a good fit for our tradition and conference too. He’d be a home run.
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I am big Shaka fan and would be 100% on board with that hire. Love his style of play.
He has a nice recruiting class (#12) as well including the kid from Brookfield Central who sits just outside the top 100.
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I am big Shaka fan and would be 100% on board with that hire. Love his style of play.
Agree. And he seems to be able to recruit the kind of athletes necessary to play his system. Even got them to VCU.
I've had some playful comments at his expense over the years, but there's no denying he's had some bad luck at Texas.
Now ... all we have to do is sell Mrs. Shaka on Real Chili and the Safe House.
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Shout out to Jesmu84.
From
Another thread:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1373279911230734336?s=19
Scroll to min 36:45ish.
I’m officially convinced Shaka smart is the next MU coach. Can’t tell me otherwise.
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Shaka is easily my top choice assuming he brought havoc back. I understand why he went away from it at Texas, but thats not who he is and a big reason why he's struggled there. Havoc fits so well with marquettes traditional style of play.
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He has a nice recruiting class (#12) as well including the kid from Brookfield Central who sits just outside the top 100.
He also brought in 4 top 75 guys across the last 2 classes before this year. Including a top 10 guy in Greg Brown in the 2019 class.
But Mrs Shaka wasn’t into Milwaukee. Now after 6 years in a vibrant growing warm weather city shed be cool with Milwaukee?
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He also brought in 4 top 75 guys across the last 2 classes before this year. Including a top 10 guy in Greg Brown in the 2019 class.
But Mrs Shaka wasn’t into Milwaukee. Now after 6 years in a vibrant growing warm weather city shed be cool with Milwaukee?
7 years and their experience in Austin may change some things. No inside info, but assuming people feel the same way they did 7 years ago shouldn’t be a reason in my opinion.
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What kind of reporter is Goodman? Is he sensationalistic in order to stay out front or is he old-school, report-the-facts-as-I-hear them?
If it's the latter, than it's telling that he goes out of his way to insert Shaka into every conversation about Marquette. If it's the former, it means nothing.
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Nads, Shaka was and still is my #1 target. I think he would knock it out of the park if here. Recruits would line up to play for him, hey?
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jeff goodman this morning said porter moser has coveted the marquette job for a while now.
goodman also said he thinks shaka will listen as he's losing a lot of seniors after this year and this is a chance for a fresh start back at a true basketball school.
Can't believe Shaka Kahn would get a call after backing out the last time. And what would MU do to keep Mrs. Smart happy?
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4ever
Shaka would knock out of the park at MU. Fingers crossed on him being a possible candidate.
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Nads, Shaka was and still is my #1 target. I think he would knock it out of the park if here. Recruits would line up to play for him, hey?
I'd be all-in on Shaka, Doc and Goose.
Mrs. Shaka would be totally forgiven, and Marquette could kick arse again.
Time for #redonedeal, baby!
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All would be forgiven. Shaka would be a home run hire.
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Maybe I’m just not understanding, but why would Shaka leave a program that he found preferable 7 years ago for a program that he did not find preferable 7 years ago, especially when the program he’s at now is a 3 seed and trendy Final Four pick?
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Agreed that the logic on Shaka that brings him to MU this time seems fuzzy at best.
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Nads, Shaka was and still is my #1 target. I think he would knock it out of the park if here. Recruits would line up to play for him, hey?
I'm ready to hurt again.
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Maybe I’m just not understanding, but why would Shaka leave a program that he found preferable 7 years ago for a program that he did not find preferable 7 years ago, especially when the program he’s at now is a 3 seed and trendy Final Four pick?
He may have been feeling some heat before this season began. Jumping now would allow him to leave Texas on a high note and restart his coaching clock.
His results have been less than outstanding at Texas, but I’d be really excited if he was our next coach.
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Shaka hasn't won a tourney game at Texas and we want him at MU after we just fired a guy who couldn't win a tourney game? With the way he did us last time? No thanks.
If Moser really does covet the MU job (which, with his Majerus reverence and deep Chicago ties, rings true to me) then get him in the building ASAP. The guy oozes confidence & authority on the sideline and his teams play with the same. Their group mentality when things go wrong is so, so impressive. They take punches, figure things out intra-game, and claw their way back to wins over and over and over again. Got the Buzz/Majerus mojo. Super energetic, great at implementing his system, and he wants a shot at a natty. I think he'll maniacally pursue it at MU, and I think he could have us in the hunt as soon as year 3. It makes way too much sense not to do it. The guy's got the juice. Don't overthink it.
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
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Maybe I’m just not understanding, but why would Shaka leave a program that he found preferable 7 years ago for a program that he did not find preferable 7 years ago, especially when the program he’s at now is a 3 seed and trendy Final Four pick?
He likes Milwaukee weather.
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
Agree this feels like a Shaka PR stunt and leveraging is buddy, Goodman, to help push it.
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
This is my take on it too. Shaka doesn't want to go anywhere, but he wants a new contract, the only way he gets that is leveraging another offer.
But, anytime you leverage another offer, you run the risk of them saying "go ahead and take it, don't let the ass hit you on your way out." If Texas would lose today, I find it hard to believe that donors would pony up to keep him, rather I think they would be calling for him to be gone.
I don't see him losing to Abilene Christian, but if he did, I think he is certainly available.
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FWIW Goodman is a tool that coaches seem to use to get themselves money.
Keep that in mind.
Also, our admin is pretty incompetent.
Prepare for pain... Hope for glory.
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I forgot.....would Tad Boyle be a potential candidate?
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This is my take on it too. Shaka doesn't want to go anywhere, but he wants a new contract, the only way he gets that is leveraging another offer.
But, anytime you leverage another offer, you run the risk of them saying "go ahead and take it, don't let the ass hit you on your way out." If Texas would lose today, I find it hard to believe that donors would pony up to keep him, rather I think they would be calling for him to be gone.
I don't see him losing to Abilene Christian, but if he did, I think he is certainly available.
So what you’re trying to say issssss... we are all Abilene Christian fans today?
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FWIW Goodman is a tool that coaches seem to use to get themselves money.
Keep that in mind.
Also, our admin is pretty incompetent.
Prepare for pain... Hope for glory.
We should be familiar with a coach using Goodman as a mouthpiece.
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FWIW Goodman is a tool that coaches seem to use to get themselves money.
Keep that in mind.
Also, our admin is pretty incompetent.
Prepare for pain... Hope for glory.
Agreed. Goodman is used as a mouthpiece leveraged to extract more money for head coaches from their current employer. Buzz was, and still is, exceptional at this. Many coaches are.
We have a different leadership and AD than when Shaka interviewed the first time around, so I don't think there would be burned bridges. But, yes, I don't think Shaka is a realistic target at present. He is getting paid $3.2 million at Texas, and is about to make a pretty deep run in the tournament IMO. For the reported $9 million we are giving Wojo, I have a hard time we are going to be giving another, what, five-year deal at $3.5 million (so over $20 million guaranteed) to a new head coach?
Not saying it is impossible, but very, very unlikely.
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He may have been feeling some heat before this season began. Jumping now would allow him to leave Texas on a high note and restart his coaching clock.
His results have been less than outstanding at Texas, but I’d be really excited if he was our next coach.
A friend, who is former college BB coach says MU reached out to Shaka when he was getting heat from Texas fans/donors (2-3 months ago, prior to a strong finish). Maybe they don't like Texas and would prefer Wisconsin. Who knows, but he was listening. Can we afford him?
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A friend, who is former college BB coach says MU reached out to Shaka when he was getting heat from Texas fans/donors (2-3 months ago, prior to a strong finish). Maybe they don't like Texas and would prefer Wisconsin. Who knows, but he was listening. Can we afford him?
His buyout at Texas is $7 million. His salary is $3.2 million.
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A friend, who is former college BB coach says MU reached out to Shaka when he was getting heat from Texas fans/donors (2-3 months ago, prior to a strong finish). Maybe they don't like Texas and would prefer Wisconsin. Who knows, but he was listening. Can we afford him?
I don't doubt any of this. But be careful on the "he was listening." In that line of business, you always listen. It is how you get the next big pay raise. Listening doesn't mean actually interested, it simply means your institution may be a reasonable enough offer to get me more money.
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I forgot.....would Tad Boyle be a potential candidate?
He’s a Colorado guy who I think would only leave Boulder for KU and we know that’s not happening.
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Didn't realize Shaka hasn't won an NCAA tournament game at Texas and has a losing record in conference. Yikes. This season will likely be his best, barring a crazy upset pick.
Maybe Moser is the better (and likely less expensive) option here.
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We should be familiar with a coach using Goodman as a mouthpiece.
So ... Buzz to Marquette?
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A friend, who is former college BB coach says MU reached out to Shaka when he was getting heat from Texas fans/donors (2-3 months ago, prior to a strong finish). Maybe they don't like Texas and would prefer Wisconsin. Who knows, but he was listening. Can we afford him?
Boy, if that is true I REALLY like hearing that. Not that I love Shaka (maybe, not sure yet). But I love that MU was being pro active behind the scenes a long time ago when things weren't going great this year. That is a very good sign that our leadership knows what it is doing. Of course, it might all be hooey and we're flying blind here.
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I am not looking forward to Shaka watch 2.0
#UnfinishedDeal
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I am not looking forward to Shaka watch 2.0
#UnfinishedDeal
Frankly, based on having a President and an AD who isn’t a stopgap, I assume this search will go much smoother.
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
The its definitely not happening list if we are delusional and dreaming
1. Wright
2. Stevens
3. Pitino
4. Doc
5. Oats
6. Shaka
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Didn't realize Shaka hasn't won an NCAA tournament game at Texas and has a losing record in conference. Yikes. This season will likely be his best, barring a crazy upset pick.
Maybe Moser is the better (and likely less expensive) option here.
Shaka was very much on the hot seat entering this season.
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I am not looking forward to Shaka watch 2.0
#UnfinishedDeal
Shaka would be good. Best week in scoop history. We would need Keefe to come out of retirement.
But I don’t have time to waste on another Shaka week.
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
The its definitely not happening list if we are delusional and dreaming
1. Wright
2. Stevens
3. Pitino
4. Doc
5. Oats
6. Shaka
Top one is the correct order / list
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I don't know the X's & O's of college basketball real well, so can someone explain to me why we're excited about Shaka? He's had 1 Final Four run, he hasn't done anything else in the Tourney.
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
Hard pass on Grant.
Two NCAA appearances in his last 10 years as a head coach (I'm counting last year, as they obviously were a lock). We've already seen what he can do at the P6 level, and it was thoroughly meh.
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He likes Milwaukee weather.
We hear his wife digs Wisconsin and Milwaukee also.
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Him or Beilein or Matta. Even if it's just a few years to get us back at least to 2002-2013 level I'll be happy.
I think the expected life of any coach at a University is five years, so age does not matter.
Gone if they do not win.
Gone if they do really well.
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
Agree this feels like a Shaka PR stunt and leveraging is buddy, Goodman, to help push it.
This is my take on it too. Shaka doesn't want to go anywhere, but he wants a new contract, the only way he gets that is leveraging another offer.
But, anytime you leverage another offer, you run the risk of them saying "go ahead and take it, don't let the ass hit you on your way out." If Texas would lose today, I find it hard to believe that donors would pony up to keep him, rather I think they would be calling for him to be gone.
I don't see him losing to Abilene Christian, but if he did, I think he is certainly available.
Guys ... shhh ... peeps have finally gotten excited about a coach not named Rick Pitino Sr.
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Shaka had a number of exciting teams at VCU. It is tough getting an A-10 team to a final four. His Havoc defense was an easy identity that many here crave. MU coveted him last time around. He was marginally more successful at Texas than Wojo was at MU. But he finished strong this year and there is a lingering love affair from the last time around.
Moser is gaining traction because he has a final 4 and is now in the tourney for the second time in his 17 year head coaching career. He was a failure at UALR and Illinois State and took many years to gain traction at Loyola. But his teams play solid defense and don't turn the ball over on offense. Plus, he has ties to Majerus, who was run out of town at MU before he became beloved.
There is no perfect candidate. Too old, too young, too expensive, ethical issues... pick one. We are truly in the crap-shoot end game now.
I hope for the best and look forward to seeing how it turns out.
If I got to pick..... Moser or Gates.
But I think it is Wardle.
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Bring back an assistant who was on staff with a teams that didn't meet everyone's standards. Why would we do that?
Don’t worry, no way Stan gives up So-Cal sun & good vibes from his current resurrection project to come back to a frozen/gray city rebuild
Find the next Al/Few/Jay Wright
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Don’t worry, no way Stan gives up So-Cal sun & good vibes from his current resurrection project to come back to a frozen/gray city rebuild
Find the next Al/Few/Jay Wright
Jeez, no pressure
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
Makes a ton of sense.
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There is no perfect candidate. Too old, too young, too expensive, ethical issues... pick one. We are truly in the crap-shoot end game now.
Well if those are the criteria, let me throw my hat in the ring. I'm not too old, or too young. I'd be willing to sign at a massive discount. Ethically, impeccable.
Sure, my coaching chops are suspect, but I did dunk in a pickup game or two...I've heard from some (one) on here that, that is pretty much the only essential metric. So, maybe there's a chance...I'm also willing to hire any staff that Scholl wants on the bench with me.
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Hard pass on Grant.
Two NCAA appearances in his last 10 years as a head coach (I'm counting last year, as they obviously were a lock). We've already seen what he can do at the P6 level, and it was thoroughly meh.
Is the previous poster referring to Anthony Grant? I haven’t seen his name mentioned but I hope he isn’t being seriously considered. UD fans already want him gone.
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Shaka had a number of exciting teams at VCU. It is tough getting an A-10 team to a final four. His Havoc defense was an easy identity that many here crave. MU coveted him last time around. He was marginally more successful at Texas than Wojo was at MU. But he finished strong this year and there is a lingering love affair from the last time around.
Moser is gaining traction because he has a final 4 and is now in the tourney for the second time in his 17 year head coaching career. He was a failure at UALR and Illinois State and took many years to gain traction at Loyola. But his teams play solid defense and don't turn the ball over on offense. Plus, he has ties to Majerus, who was run out of town at MU before he became beloved.
There is no perfect candidate. Too old, too young, too expensive, ethical issues... pick one. We are truly in the crap-shoot end game now.
I hope for the best and look forward to seeing how it turns out.
If I got to pick..... Moser or Gates.
But I think it is Wardle.
Or hire Moser and schedule Bradley each year, hence you then have Wardle, if only once a year.
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Well if those are the criteria, let me throw my hat in the ring. I'm not too old, or too young. I'd be willing to sign at a massive discount. Ethically, impeccable.
Sure, my coaching chops are suspect, but I did dunk in a pickup game or two...I've heard from some (one) on here that, that is pretty much the only essential metric. So, maybe there's a chance...I'm also willing to hire any staff that Scholl wants on the bench with me.
Are you willing to have a couple experienced guys on the bench, able to give interesting interviews, and sit down for inspiring huddles?
edit: you might also be required to buy a house in 4ever's hood so that he can check in on you occasionally.
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Find the next Al/Few/Jay Wright
Easy peasy.
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Are you willing to have a couple experienced guys on the bench, able to give interesting interviews, and sit down for inspiring huddles?
Absolutely. Man, I'll pull my inner Buzz out. And I'm well known for my inspirational speeches/mentoring.
I got this. Those experienced guys on the bench can draw up the offense/defense. I'll focus on mentoring, recruiting, just get me in a room with them and I can sell a ketchup popsicle to a women in white gloves.
I'm sure the salary can be enough to upgrade from my current van down by the river.
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I prefer Pitino (commence internet mob beating), but I could get behind Moser, and maybe Pat Kelsey.
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Absolutely. Man, I'll pull my inner Buzz out.
You’re starting Monday then. At Ma Fischer’s at 430am ;D
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I'm sure the salary can be enough to upgrade from my current van down by the river.
Do you currently own any eccentric suits? Bonus points if they include Pantone 281 or Pantone 123.
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But I think it is Wardle.
I'd put this as a slim to none chance. If we go with Wardle we may as well have kept Wojo, because there will be no hype behind the hire, and Marquette would be admitting mediocrity.
Stick a fork in the program if this happens.
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I'd put this as a slim to none chance. If we go with Wardle we may as well have kept Wojo, because there will be no hype behind the hire, and Marquette would be admitting mediocrity.
Stick a fork in the program if this happens.
If we hire Wardle I'll return my diploma.
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
The its definitely not happening list if we are delusional and dreaming
1. Wright
2. Stevens
3. Pitino
4. Doc
5. Oats
6. Shaka
I love the top 3 in your "not happening" list.
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I love the top 3 in your "not happening" list.
They're great coaches who won't be coaching at Marquette anytime soon.
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I like Brian Wardle he always said hi to our family as a player but no offense hope we can do better than Wardle.
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Shaka is playing Marquette. Moser is Tony Barone part 2. Pat Kelsey is the best choice. Marquette coaches with big/quirky personalities have done well.
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Anyone that mentions Brian Wardle should be banned from posting until a new HC is named. As for Moser, he seems like a great, great guy and I wish him the best of luck at Loyola.
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We had a fun Marquette 20 year run 4 seats front row center court. Purchased family and friends yellow tee shirts most every game and we drank one beer in the first half and one beer in the second half. Later we moved back about 10 rows but knew the jumbotron camera person and got on most games. Wardle would say hi. Good times. But again hope MU can do better than Wardle.
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We had a fun Marquette 20 year run 4 seats front row center court. Purchased family and friends yellow tee shirts most every game and we drank one beer in the first half and one beer in the second half. Later we moved back about 10 rows but knew the jumbotron camera person and got on most games. Wardle would say hi. Good times. But again hope MU can do better than Wardle.
I honestly have no idea if this is a meme account, but it is pure gold either way.
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But Mrs Shaka wasn’t into Milwaukee. Now after 6 years in a vibrant growing warm weather city shed be cool with Milwaukee?
Global warming. Milwaukee is the new Austin.
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I honestly have no idea if this is a meme account, but it is pure gold either way.
Lol do not know what a meme account is but probably wish it was one but nope haha.
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I honestly have no idea if this is a meme account, but it is pure gold either way.
Getting huge Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey vibes.
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Anyone that mentions Brian Wardle should be banned from posting until a new HC is named. As for Moser, he seems like a great, great guy and I wish him the best of luck at Loyola.
Haha. I like the way you think. Moser is not going to scale up at Marquette. I don't think he can recruit at the level we expect/need.
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Haha. I like the way you think. Moser is not going to scale up at Marquette. I don't think he can recruit at the level we expect/need.
You don’t need top 25 classes every year if you can actually coach. That said, I have no idea if Moser is the right guy or not.
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None of the ley leadership at Marquette or in the AD, save for Broeker, even worked with Wardle as an assistant or player, and even the latter was briefly when Wardle was a 25 year old assistant. So other than “hey he’s a D1 coach who played here”, a default to him seems tenuous. If they wanted a mid major coach who sat on the bench in Milwaukee and would take it in a second, at least call Darrin Horn.
(Horn would be a VERY disappointing hire but I’d still welcome it over Wardle)
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But I think it is Wardle.
What is your hang-up on Brian Wardle? The guy's literal only relevance is people on this board mentioning him: he's a .500 coach at Green Bay and Bradley. Given your recent track record of getting basically every prediction wrong, I don't hate that you think this.
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I don't want Wardle. I fear MU ends up with him. Huge difference.
Chatting with my wife the Hoosier fan. We are laughing at the delusions of our respective fanbases. Brad for IU, Pitino for MU.
On the floor, Pitino is one of my favorite coaches if all time. But, as my wife said, "How can a Jesuit university even think about hiring after what he has done"?
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You don’t need top 25 classes every year if you can actually coach. That said, I have no idea if Moser is the right guy or not.
Sounds like Moser should be on the list but I hypothesize that the closer you live to Chicago the higher he is on your list.
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Do not know why but Wife wearing her Marquette sweatshirt and am wearing my MU mask at the Zoo today with more pride after yesterday.
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They're great coaches who won't be coaching at Marquette anytime soon.
Not sure if you meant it that way, but it made me laugh remembering the Cheers episode where Cliff was on Jeopardy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=botdmsQilnU
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Do you currently own any eccentric suits? Bonus points if they include Pantone 281 or Pantone 123.
Damn, the closest I have is a seer sucker suit.
I knew I should have bought the plaid Pantone 281/123 I saw at the thrift store. Who would have ever thought not buying it would rule my out for an MU head coaching position.
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Anyone that mentions Brian W***** should be banned from posting until a new HC is named. As for Moser, he seems like a great, great guy and I wish him the best of luck at Loyola.
Agree. Mods should even ban the word W***** from even being posted on this forum.
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Don’t worry, no way Stan gives up So-Cal sun & good vibes from his current resurrection project to come back to a frozen/gray city rebuild
Find the next Al/Few/Jay Wright
Porky agrees with this. MU may be an attractive job, but not attractive enough to overcome the climate issues of MKE. Porky doesn't think anyone on this board takes that into account enough because 70% of you probably live within 100 miles of MKE and are used to it. For a job like Michigan or Michigan state coaches might be willing to make that sacrifice but MU, Porky isn't sure. It's definitely one of the better openings out there, possibly no. 2 after IU but 8 month winters aren't everyone's cup of tea. As a coastie, Porky is convinced this is a much bigger issue than most of you think it is, despite MU being a Basketball first school that devotes huge resources to the program.
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Damn, the closest I have is a seer sucker suit.
I knew I should have bought the plaid Pantone 281/123 I saw at the thrift store. Who would have ever thought not buying it would rule my out for an MU head coaching position.
If you can't pull off the Buzz look, how about Huggy?
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Sounds like Moser should be on the list but I hypothesize that the closer you live to Chicago the higher he is on your list.
That’s actually probably true. Living in Edgewater during their final four run was a blast.
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Porky is back. Need a Porky vs MarquetteMike wild post off to the death
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If you can't pull off the Buzz look, how about Huggy?
Not sure there. I generally discourage those under my tutelage from punching police horses in the mouth.
And I certainly can't fill out a sweat suit like Huggy.
But, I've been told that I have a great "disapproving stare" that makes people feel like they disappointed Santa Claus, and Huggy is the size of Santa Claus, and has a classic "disapproving stare," so we'll go with a maybe on that one.
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Let the record show that if we miss out on Beilein or Shaka, I hope we end up with Craig Smith.
Personable guy, has Midwest ties, and wins a crap ton of basketball games.
His trajectory seems similar to that of a Chris Beard.
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Let the record show that if we miss out on Beilein or Shaka, I hope we end up with Craig Smith.
Personable guy, has Midwest ties, and wins a crap ton of basketball games.
I could get on board with Craig Smith.
If not, my second choice is forgetful with his "disapproving stare."
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I can get behind Smith, Kelsey, and Gates.
Moser is below those guys. His FF run needed a buzzer beater in round 1, go ahead shot under 5 seconds in round 2, a dagger 3 under 10 seconds in Sweet 16 against a 7 seed, and played a 9 seed in the Elite 8. That run needed so many things to go right that I'm hesitant to put Moser at the very top of my list.
I would still take him over Wojo, but Moser gives me Greg Gard vibes.
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The Shaka info from Goodman screams Shaka using Marquette as leverage for a new contract with Texas. I would love him here too, but I don’t see that happening based on what happened in 2014.
Ding ding ding
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Love all the posts on this site awesome
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I can get behind Smith, Kelsey, and Gates.
Moser is below those guys. His FF run needed a buzzer beater in round 1, go ahead shot under 5 seconds in round 2, a dagger 3 under 10 seconds in Sweet 16 against a 7 seed, and played a 9 seed in the Elite 8. That run needed so many things to go right that I'm hesitant to put Moser at the very top of my list.
I would still take him over Wojo, but Moser gives me Greg Gard vibes.
“In reality, his taking a mid major to the Final Four by beating all lower seeded teams wasn’t that impressive.” Really?
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
Remove Grant, slide Moser down behind Gates and I think you might have the actual list.
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We had a fun Marquette 20 year run 4 seats front row center court. Purchased family and friends yellow tee shirts most every game and we drank one beer in the first half and one beer in the second half. Later we moved back about 10 rows but knew the jumbotron camera person and got on most games. Wardle would say hi. Good times. But again hope MU can do better than Wardle.
They tell me I know the tip of the iceberg. Which they tell me is more than most haha.
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Remove Grant, slide Moser down behind Gates and I think you might have the actual list.
Medved instead of Grant. MU connection with Steve Cottingham at CSU too.
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Let the record show that if we miss out on Beilein or Shaka, I hope we end up with Craig Smith.
Personable guy, has Midwest ties, and wins a crap ton of basketball games.
His trajectory seems similar to that of a Chris Beard.
I'm with you onepost. I think Smith will be considered a great high major coach in the next 5 or so years.
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I'm with you onepost. I think Smith will be considered a great high major coach in the next 5 or so years.
Can he recruit Big East talent? He checks some of the lower boxes Scholl laid out. Identity, off court, development but that top one is a big question for me.
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I'm with you onepost. I think Smith will be considered a great high major coach in the next 5 or so years.
I heard him on Sirius XM this week. Funny personality.
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Is Mike Newell available? I get choked up just thinking about it.
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Can he recruit Big East talent? He checks some of the lower boxes Scholl laid out. Identity, off court, development but that top one is a big question for me.
That's my concern as well.
The highest level he's been is as an assistant for three years at Nebraska. During those three years, the staff landed classes that ranked 56th, 95th and 27th nationally.
At Utah State, his classes have ranked 115th and 119th.
Those are two hard places to recruit, so I'm not sure if those rankings are telling of anything, but hiring Smith involves a pretty huge leap of faith that wouldn't be there for a guy like Dennis Gates.
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I heard him on Sirius XM this week. Funny personality.
That’s a departure from his mentor at least. Tim Miles on broadcasts was awful
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Gates makes me a little nervous. Just not much there on the resume. I think earlier TAMU said high risk high reward. Sounds kind of like a Buzz move. Not against it. Just worries me a bit putting him lower on my list.
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Medved instead of Grant. MU connection with Steve Cottingham at CSU too.
That’s probably not a good thing.
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That's my concern as well.
The highest level he's been is as an assistant for three years at Nebraska. During those three years, the staff landed classes that ranked 56th, 95th and 27th nationally.
At Utah State, his classes have ranked 115th and 119th.
Those are two hard places to recruit, so I'm not sure if those rankings are telling of anything, but hiring Smith involves a pretty huge leap of faith that wouldn't be there for a guy like Dennis Gates.
If recruiting is the top priority as Scholl laid out, its Gates for me too. He would clean up at MU. Will need bench help.
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Gates makes me a little nervous. Just not much there on the resume. I think earlier TAMU said high risk high reward. Sounds kind of like a Buzz move. Not against it. Just worries me a bit putting him lower on my list.
Fair, but he does have more head coaching experience than four of Marquette's last five hires. And eight years on the bench of an ACC program.
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Fair, but he does have more head coaching experience than four of Marquette's last five hires. And eight years on the bench of an ACC program.
Which has led some I’ve talked with to say Gates wants to take over at FSU eventually
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Which has led some I’ve talked with to say Gates wants to take over at FSU eventually
Yeah, that would be a concern of mine for Gates. If he's a home run hire for Marquette, he's likely to have offers from high-profile programs in short order, whether it's FSU or somewhere else. That may be true of any young coach, I suppose.
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FWIW, Scholl's head coaching hires to date have all had some Catholic school background in some form.
I just have a hard time seeing Smith being a top-candidate. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Yeah, that would be a concern of mine for Gates. If he's a home run hire for Marquette, he's likely to have offers from high-profile programs in short order, whether it's FSU or somewhere else. That may be true of any young coach, I suppose.
That was also said about Wojo when coach K retires.
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On Loyola's board there's some posters who see us as a bigger threat for Moser than Depaul. They think if he turns down us he's probably their version of Few or McKillop.
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Which has led some I’ve talked with to say Gates wants to take over at FSU eventually
I was surprised that Hamilton is 72. His 10 year age challenge is pretty funny. He looks the exact same.
https://twitter.com/fsucoachham/status/1199045879598071808?s=21
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Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?
Isn’t the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?
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“In reality, his taking a mid major to the Final Four by beating all lower seeded teams wasn’t that impressive.” Really?
50% impressive, 50% incredibly lucky.
They won 3 coin flips in a row. I give Moser credit for having his team in that position.
But I balance the Final Four against his whole resume. If his resume had 1st round, 2nd round, or Sweet 16 instead of Final Four. If they had played a 1 seed instead of a 9 in the Elite 8.
He's just a play away from being a ho hum mid major coach. Three plays going his way doesn't make him all that much better in my eyes. But it sure makes the top line of his resume look good.
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Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?
Isn’t the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?
That was Mike Deane.
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Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?
Isn’t the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?
No - he was an excellent recruiter and a great defensive coach. Offense was his weak spot.
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FWIW, Scholl's head coaching hires to date have all had some Catholic school background in some form.
Does his hiring of Mike Neu from the New Orleans Saints to be Ball State's football coach count?
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So the three most plausible candidates:
Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.
Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.
Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'
Close?
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I can get behind Smith, Kelsey, and Gates.
Outside of the pie in the sky wishlist, this is the list. We get one of these three and I’m pumped
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So the three most plausible candidates:
Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.
Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.
Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'
Close?
Think so and if it’s those 3, the order you have them in is the order I’d prefer them.
As for the Shaka mention, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. It’s probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I’m not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment
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50% impressive, 50% incredibly lucky.
They won 3 coin flips in a row. I give Moser credit for having his team in that position.
But I balance the Final Four against his whole resume. If his resume had 1st round, 2nd round, or Sweet 16 instead of Final Four. If they had played a 1 seed instead of a 9 in the Elite 8.
He's just a play away from being a ho hum mid major coach. Three plays going his way doesn't make him all that much better in my eyes. But it sure makes the top line of his resume look good.
MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4 points, defeated Mizzou in OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.
I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.
Do you see a pattern?
The other issue is that it is much more difficult for non Power 5/Big East schools to make the NCAA Tourney. Comparing apples to oranges here. Something more valuable to consider is regular season results, good, bad, indifferent, as well as assistant stops. So in this example the past 5 years backwards are 1,2,1,1,5 league records. While both have value, which has more value, winning your regular season or winning your conference tourney?
*disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MUBB coach.
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Think so and if it’s those 3, the order you have them in is the order I’d prefer them.
As for the Shaka mention, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. It’s probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I’m not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment
It is, in fact, out of the realm of possibility.
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MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4 points, defeated Mizzou in 2OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.
I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.
Do you see a pattern?
The other issue is that it is much more difficult for non Power 5/Big East schools to make the NCAA Tourney. Comparing apples to oranges here. Something more valuable to consider is regular season results, good, bad, indifferent, as well as assistant stops. So in this example the past 5 years backwards are 1,2,1,1,5 league records. While both have value, which has more value, winning your regular season or winning your conference tourney?
*disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MUBB coach.
This is exactly my point, and a resounding positive not a negative in the least. On the big stage, with backs against the wall over & over again, his teams display mental fortitude to keep coming in waves, keep D'ing up, and keep shooting with fundamentals & confidence. How is that possibly construed as a negative??
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Yea that Loyola final four team was tough as crap.
They were also hanging right with Michigan until very late in the game.
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Does/should this eliminate Joe Pasternack as a candidate?
"* Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program
FWIW, it seems Pasternack was not named in the NCAA's infractions report released earlier this month.
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MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4 points, defeated Mizzou in OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.
I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.
Do you see a pattern?
Agreed. The same could be said about most any coach who has one season that stands out from the rest. Shaka has 6 NCAA Tournament wins*, and 4 of them were in one year.
*No, I don't count play-in games.
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So the three most plausible candidates:
Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.
Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.
Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'
Close?
I have been a fan of Gates and his MU ties ever since Hoop Dreams
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Think so and if it’s those 3, the order you have them in is the order I’d prefer them.
As for the Shaka mention, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility. It’s probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I’m not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment
Swap Austin for Milwaukee???? That is dreaming big time. I would say almost no chance that happens.
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Does/should this eliminate Joe Pasternack as a candidate?
"* Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program
FWIW, it seems Pasternack was not named in the NCAA's infractions report released earlier this month.
If true, yes it should eliminate him.
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I have been a fan of Gates and his MU ties ever since Hoop Dreams
;D
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It is, in fact, out of the realm of possibility.
Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!
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Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'
Close?
I think this is generous. His typical class ranked around 120 nationally. His best two classes post-FF were 85 and 87. His 2020 class and his class for 2021 are both in the 100s. There are roughly 75 P6 schools plus Gonzaga. So he wasn’t pulling in top 25 mid major classes and wasn’t even pulling in top 10 MM classes after the highest profile magical event a school like Loyola could have.
He can identify talent for his system and coaches players up clearly, but I have big concerns about him being able to go out and get top 75/100 guys needed to be BE contenders. He’s never recruited at that level, even as an assistant. Even sole time at a power school, A&M, were some brutal years under Barone where they weren’t snagging any talent
That’s my worry. There is no doubt he’s a good Xs and Os guy.
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Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!
And a joint statement from Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches.
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8 pages of nothing but poop on a wall.
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Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!
HireShaka HireShaka HireShaka
Hooop Der it iz, Hooop Der it iz
(Repeat)
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HireShaka HireShaka HireShaka
Hooop Der it iz, Hooop Der it iz
(Repeat)
Well played!
(so tired of that commercial, but happy for Tag Team)
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SPRINKLES!
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Well played!
(so tired of that commercial, but happy for Tag Team)
I've been sitting at a coffee shop and now bar singing that song from the commercial to myself all day.
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SPRINKLES!
Do you want this guy?
https://msubobcats.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/danny-sprinkle/582
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8 pages of nothing but poop on a wall.
Give us time. In a couple days, we might have 20 pages of poop on a wall.
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Are you willing to have a couple experienced guys on the bench, able to give interesting interviews, and sit down for inspiring huddles?
edit: you might also be required to buy a house in 4ever's hood so that he can check in on you occasionally.
Damn straight Dude. Wee don't let know trailer trash inn The Quon, hey?
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I'd put this as a slim to none chance. If we go with Wardle we may as well have kept Wojo, because there will be no hype behind the hire, and Marquette would be admitting mediocrity.
Stick a fork in the program if this happens.
Finally on the same page as we woke folks, hey?
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Are you willing to have a couple experienced guys on the bench, able to give interesting interviews, and sit down for inspiring huddles?
edit: you might also be required to buy a house in 4ever's hood so that he can check in on you occasionally.
Damn straight Dude. Wee don't let know trailer trash inn The Quon, hey?
That's pushing it a bit, but I could upgrade the van to a house.
Also, to sweeten the pot. I'll even agree to Pitino as my Associate Head coach. They can even give him Head Coach money, and I'll take the Assistant Coach money.
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Everyone couldn't wait to see Wojo sacked, and these are the best replacement choices anyone can come up with? Color me UNIMPRESSED!!!
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Everyone couldn't wait to see Wojo sacked, and these are the best replacement choices anyone can come up with? Color me UNIMPRESSED!!!
Who you got Bob?
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Everyone couldn't wait to see Wojo sacked, and these are the best replacement choices anyone can come up with? Color me UNIMPRESSED!!!
Better ring up Scholl.
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I think this is generous. His typical class ranked around 120 nationally. His best two classes post-FF were 85 and 87. His 2020 class and his class for 2021 are both in the 100s. There are roughly 75 P6 schools plus Gonzaga. So he wasn’t pulling in top 25 mid major classes and wasn’t even pulling in top 10 MM classes after the highest profile magical event a school like Loyola could have.
He can identify talent for his system and coaches players up clearly, but I have big concerns about him being able to go out and get top 75/100 guys needed to be BE contenders. He’s never recruited at that level, even as an assistant. Even sole time at a power school, A&M, were some brutal years under Barone where they weren’t snagging any talent
That’s my worry. There is no doubt he’s a good Xs and Os guy.
It's definitely a question and reason why he's not one of my first choices.
But a couple of things that might make you feel better
- Although he hasn't killed it in the national rankings, I believe each of his last five classes has ranked first or second in the Valley. So while he's not beating out Big 10 or Big East schools, he's at least proven to be a top recruiter relative to his peer group.
- He's landed kids from top high/prep school programs. His roster this year includes kids from La Lumeire and Whitney Young and Brother Rice in Chicago. His Final Four team included kids from Simeon and Young in Chicago. At Loyola, he never was going to pull top 100 kids from those programs, but hopefully relationships he's made recruiting their second-tier kids would bode well if he were recruiting for Marquette.
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Although I Like Wardle as a person and Not that I Liked Col Jessup but As Col Jessup in A Few Good Men might say “ Please tell me Marquette Has not pinned our hopes on Wardle”
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Remove Grant, slide Moser down behind Gates and I think you might have the actual list.
Agree for me tentatively Beilein, Gates, Moser third with cost factor, Smith, DeVries.
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Any opinions on Joel Justus assistant at uk? Didn’t have an easy road to get to his position.
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It's definitely a question and reason why he's not one of my first choices.
But a couple of things that might make you feel better
- Although he hasn't killed it in the national rankings, I believe each of his last five classes has ranked first or second in the Valley. So while he's not beating out Big 10 or Big East schools, he's at least proven to be a top recruiter relative to his peer group.
- He's landed kids from top high/prep school programs. His roster this year includes kids from La Lumeire and Whitney Young and Brother Rice in Chicago. His Final Four team included kids from Simeon and Young in Chicago. At Loyola, he never was going to pull top 100 kids from those programs, but hopefully relationships he's made recruiting their second-tier kids would bode well if he were recruiting for Marquette.
Both optimistic and realistic. Nicely done, Pak.
Like Wags, I'm not convinced about Moser ... but I don't have to be. They don't let any of us do the hiring, darn it!
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It's definitely a question and reason why he's not one of my first choices.
But a couple of things that might make you feel better
- Although he hasn't killed it in the national rankings, I believe each of his last five classes has ranked first or second in the Valley. So while he's not beating out Big 10 or Big East schools, he's at least proven to be a top recruiter relative to his peer group.
- He's landed kids from top high/prep school programs. His roster this year includes kids from La Lumeire and Whitney Young and Brother Rice in Chicago. His Final Four team included kids from Simeon and Young in Chicago. At Loyola, he never was going to pull top 100 kids from those programs, but hopefully relationships he's made recruiting their second-tier kids would bode well if he were recruiting for Marquette.
I have some concerns re. Moser and recruiting. You argument is constructed well, and would make me feel a little better about him as a choice.
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Any opinions on Joel Justus assistant at uk? Didn’t have an easy road to get to his position.
No opinions on assistants - but I do wonder if it will really be an assistant that MU hires. If you pay close attention to Scholl's press conference he says he has a preference for head coaches, but talks about Broeker's list and seems to indicate there might be some strong assistant's they are considering.
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MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4 points, defeated Mizzou in OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.
I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.
Do you see a pattern?
My point is to look at the whole resume and not just a 4 or 5 game sample.
No doubt Moser can game coach. Can he recruit well enough to compete in the Big East? Is his system appealing to BE caliber players? How will he fair playing 20-25 high major games?
The answers to these questions are just as important to me as his past accomplishments. His Final Four is not a negative, it just doesn't move the needle for me as much as it does for other fans.
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Can Moser recruit? Their players looked really good to me yesterday. Solid fundamentals. Crisp passing.
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He probably does. But it’s hard to sign a home run hire away from a school. Unless there’s some Tony Bennett type at a Washington State. Big $$ though.
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My point is to look at the whole resume and not just a 4 or 5 game sample.
No doubt Moser can game coach. Can he recruit well enough to compete in the Big East? Is his system appealing to BE caliber players? How will he fair playing 20-25 high major games?
The answers to these questions are just as important to me as his past accomplishments. His Final Four is not a negative, it just doesn't move the needle for me as much as it does for other fans.
But you weren't looking at his whole resume. And you downplayed their Final Four Run.
My response was to mention Marquette's deeper NCAA runs as an example of a double standard.
I mentioned Moser's MVC finishes in his last five seasons:
Reverse order:
1st
2nd
1st
1st
5th
That's pretty good.
Other successes elsewhere were mentioned, He's one of two coaches in UALR history with top 100 KenPom finishes, or his time at SLU. These things for some present more than just "one lucky final four run.
Fair game is the time it takes to improve, or some things could have been better here or there, or style of play or whatever people want to mention...all fair.
Can he recruit to win in the Big East? That's a reasonable question. It would be a reasonable question for a lot of candidates. He obviously recruits for Loyola and he was the lead recruiter for SLU while there. He would need to hire a couple of good recruiters and put a staff together.
But his resume is much better than one Final Four run.
*Disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MU's next HC.
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My point is to look at the whole resume and not just a 4 or 5 game sample.
No doubt Moser can game coach. Can he recruit well enough to compete in the Big East? Is his system appealing to BE caliber players? How will he fair playing 20-25 high major games?
The answers to these questions are just as important to me as his past accomplishments. His Final Four is not a negative, it just doesn't move the needle for me as much as it does for other fans.
These are things Moser definitely needs to address in his powerpoint presentation.
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But his resume is much better than one Final Four run.
For discussion’s sake, if Loyola falls to Tennessee in the second round in 2018, is Moser in the discussion for the Marquette job or St John’s a few years back? I’d argue no. Which is why I think there is such emphasis on it. Right or wrong, NCAA performance and dip runs have flipped the switch on many careers
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For discussion’s sake, if Loyola falls to Tennessee in the second round in 2018, is Moser in the discussion for the Marquette job or St John’s a few years back? I’d argue no. Which is why I think there is such emphasis on it. Right or wrong, NCAA performance and dip runs have flipped the switch on many careers
Yeah, but Loyola didn't lose.
I'm not pushing Moser at all, I think there are other guys I'd hire ahead of him, but there are logical fallacies to those kinds of arguments.
If Vander and Jamil didn't save Buzz against Davidson, Buzz wouldn't be remembered so fondly by so many MU fans. If Diener didn't save Wade's bacon vs Holy Cross, D-Wade wouldn't be quite so revered. There are a zillion of these "ifs" throughout sports history.
Yes, Loyola had a lot of good fortune, but they took advantage of it, they made much of their own good luck, they still had to win the games, and Moser deserves a lot of credit - just as he'd deserve a lot of blame if they didn't win.
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So we should be rooting against Texas if we want Shaka yes?
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So we should be rooting against Texas if we want Shaka yes?
Do we want Shaka if he loses to Abilene Christian, giving him as many NCAA wins in 6 years at Texas as Wojo had in 7 years at Marquette?
He ain't gonna lose, though.
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In the past on this board ...I have noticed his name mentioned only after searches and replacement hires at MU were already made...he was only brought up in the buyer's remorse threads.
My best friend's cousin, ...Milwaukee kid Bruce Weber (Milw Marshall HS '75 UWM 78)( lifetime HC Div 1 record 483-285) former head coach at Illinois/ currently K State... is another Big 12 coach who may listen to MU. Natl coach of the year 2005, with NCAA Final 4 Elite 8, and Sweet 16s...Won Big 12 conf three years ago, but since, fell to two straight last place finishes in Big 12 (11-21), (9-20) . 2 years left under KSU contract...the school and he may want to move on. Ie timing may be right to place the call now
I have no opinion on his candidacy...just would like to see it considered before we hire another and, ... once again mention him only in our typical buyers remorse thread.
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Do we want Shaka if he loses to Abilene Christian, giving him as many NCAA wins in 6 years at Texas as Wojo had in 7 years at Marquette?
He ain't gonna lose, though.
Touché. We probably don’t.
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Yeah, but Loyola didn't lose.
I'm not pushing Moser at all, I think there are other guys I'd hire ahead of him, but there are logical fallacies to those kinds of arguments.
If Vander and Jamil didn't save Buzz against Davidson, Buzz wouldn't be remembered so fondly by so many MU fans. If Diener didn't save Wade's bacon vs Holy Cross, D-Wade wouldn't be quite so revered. There are a zillion of these "ifs" throughout sports history.
Yes, Loyola had a lot of good fortune, but they took advantage of it, they made much of their own good luck, they still had to win the games, and Moser deserves a lot of credit - just as he'd deserve a lot of blame if they didn't win.
Wade was an AA and top 10 pick regardless of the FF. He was always going to be beloved.
BUTTTTT....if Crean doesn’t make that FF, does he get the IU gig? No chance IMO
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Wade was an AA and top 10 pick regardless of the FF. He was always going to be beloved.
BUTTTTT....if Crean doesn’t make that FF, does he get the IU gig? No chance IMO
You are correct about Crean, obviously.
As for D-Wade, I said "revered," not beloved. Had he lost twice in the first round to 12 and 14 seeds, with the second loss coming because he played poorly, would he have been revered anywhere near the level he is today? I have trouble believing that, Wags.
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Do we want Shaka if he loses to Abilene Christian, giving him as many NCAA wins in 6 years at Texas as Wojo had in 7 years at Marquette?
He ain't gonna lose, though.
Yeah. If he lost tonight, it would be a pretty tough sell after firing Wojo for poor performance. Heck, even if he wins a game or two, it would be debatable.
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In the past on this board ...I have noticed his name mentioned only after searches and replacement hires at MU were already made...he was only brought up in the buyer's remorse threads.
My best friend's cousin, ...Milwaukee kid Bruce Weber (Milw Marshall HS '75 UWM 78)( lifetime HC Div 1 record 483-285) former head coach at Illinois/ currently K State... is another Big 12 coach who may listen to MU. Natl coach of the year 2005, with NCAA Final 4 Elite 8, and Sweet 16s...Won Big 12 conf three years ago, but since, fell to two straight last place finishes in Big 12 (11-21), (9-20) . 2 years left under KSU contract...the school and he may want to move on. Ie timing may be right to place the call now
I have no opinion on his candidacy...just would like to see it considered before we hire another and, ... once again mention him only in our typical buyers remorse thread.
Ban this troll lol. Maybe hire as DOB
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In the past on this board ...I have noticed his name mentioned only after searches and replacement hires at MU were already made...he was only brought up in the buyer's remorse threads.
My best friend's cousin, ...Milwaukee kid Bruce Weber (Milw Marshall HS '75 UWM 78)( lifetime HC Div 1 record 483-285) former head coach at Illinois/ currently K State... is another Big 12 coach who may listen to MU. Natl coach of the year 2005, with NCAA Final 4 Elite 8, and Sweet 16s...Won Big 12 conf three years ago, but since, fell to two straight last place finishes in Big 12 (11-21), (9-20) . 2 years left under KSU contract...the school and he may want to move on. Ie timing may be right to place the call now
I have no opinion on his candidacy...just would like to see it considered before we hire another and, ... once again mention him only in our typical buyers remorse thread.
With all due respect to your best friend, that would be pretty much the worst hire I could imagine. That would make Wardle look like grabbing Dennis Gates.
He got his accolades with Self’s players at U of I and has been on a steady decline since. Lucked into a second weekend when UVA lost to UMBC. Tied for first in a weak Big12 before getting upset in the B12 tourney and again in the first round. Other than that it’s been a decade of mediocrity in Manhattan
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In the past on this board ...I have noticed his name mentioned only after searches and replacement hires at MU were already made...he was only brought up in the buyer's remorse threads.
My best friend's cousin, ...Milwaukee kid Bruce Weber (Milw Marshall HS '75 UWM 78)( lifetime HC Div 1 record 483-285) former head coach at Illinois/ currently K State... is another Big 12 coach who may listen to MU. Natl coach of the year 2005, with NCAA Final 4 Elite 8, and Sweet 16s...Won Big 12 conf three years ago, but since, fell to two straight last place finishes in Big 12 (11-21), (9-20) . 2 years left under KSU contract...the school and he may want to move on. Ie timing may be right to place the call now
I have no opinion on his candidacy...just would like to see it considered before we hire another and, ... once again mention him only in our typical buyers remorse thread.
At that point, I'd much rather have Crean. Weber is now 64, that alone I think kind of puts him on the back burner of candidates.
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For discussion’s sake, if Loyola falls to Tennessee in the second round in 2018, is Moser in the discussion for the Marquette job or St John’s a few years back? I’d argue no. Which is why I think there is such emphasis on it. Right or wrong, NCAA performance and dip runs have flipped the switch on many careers
Does Tom Crean get the IU position if MUBB loses to Holy Cross in the first round in 2003 NCAA Tourney? Does Buzz get the Virgina Tech position if MUBB loses to Davidson?
The goal is always to hire a coach that has had strong success in as many ways as possible, as an assistant coach, regular season head coach, NCAA Tourney results, as many as possible. It's much tougher of course to get he NCAA Tourney results if one is not already a Power 5/Big East Coach already.
I have always been intrigued by what Mark Few was able to do. Great coach, program, a gold standard for a couple of decades. It would be great for them to get that NCAA Title this year. Let's take a look.
Few's first couple of seasons at Gonzaga, his teams were double digit seeds, but they made two Sweet 16's. They achieved that underdog result twice.
As Few's program improved and as their seeds were better, they didn't make the 2nd weekend for a while, but their strong, improved, regular seasons, balanced that out.
Then 5 years later they make another Sweet 16. Their two wins? Against a 14 and 16 seed.
Fast forward some early exits, and they make another Sweet 16. Their two wins? V
vs 13 and 12 seeds.
After some early exits, fast forward 6 seasons and an Elite 8. Their wins were against a 15, 7, 11.
Then they make the Sweet 16 as a double digit underdog seed again.
They would get what was needed, maybe regular season here or post season there, get fortunate NCAA opponents here or be the underdog winner there.
In 13 straight seasons, they made the 2nd weekend twice in one stretch, spaced out a bit in that stretch. Both times they only faced double digit seeds, for a total of four wins. When they needed a break in who they played, they got that too.
Then more recently, they had the deep NCAA Runner Up as a 1 seed, followed by Sweet 16 amd Elite 8 as a National Power.
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In the past on this board ...I have noticed his name mentioned only after searches and replacement hires at MU were already made...he was only brought up in the buyer's remorse threads.
My best friend's cousin, ...Milwaukee kid Bruce Weber (Milw Marshall HS '75 UWM 78)( lifetime HC Div 1 record 483-285) former head coach at Illinois/ currently K State... is another Big 12 coach who may listen to MU. Natl coach of the year 2005, with NCAA Final 4 Elite 8, and Sweet 16s...Won Big 12 conf three years ago, but since, fell to two straight last place finishes in Big 12 (11-21), (9-20) . 2 years left under KSU contract...the school and he may want to move on. Ie timing may be right to place the call now
I have no opinion on his candidacy...just would like to see it considered before we hire another and, ... once again mention him only in our typical buyers remorse thread.
Marquette did not just spend $9 million dollars buying out Wojo to hire Bruce Weber. The same goes for anyone talking about Brian Wardle.
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Marquette did not just spend $9 million dollars buying out Wojo to hire Bruce Weber. The same goes for anyone talking about Brian Wardle.
Thank you.
Bruce Weber is a really, really nice guy. One of the nicest in all of college basketball. And he's pretty well-regarded as a game coach. But he has trouble recruiting, and he's a "meh" motivator. He's had a very nice career and made a bunch of money. I wish him well ... but not at Marquette (unless he wants to be an assistant for us).
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Does Tom Crean get the IU position if MUBB loses to Holy Cross in the first round in 2003 NCAA Tourney? Does Buzz get the Virgina Tech position if MUBB loses to Davidson?
I already mentioned above, Im certain Crean doesn’t get IU without the FF.
Buzz is a bad comparison. He’d made back to back S16s and won the Big East that year. He was a hot name every offseason before the E8.
Moser has had a career with accomplishments but without the FF he’s not being discussed. So I don’t think it’s crazy that people are trying analyze that against the rest of his career when trying to assess if it’s a repeatable thing or a fluke. I would think IU fans did the same about Crean and I wouldn’t question that for a second.
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But you weren't looking at his whole resume. And you downplayed their Final Four Run.
My response was to mention Marquette's deeper NCAA runs as an example of a double standard.
I mentioned Moser's MVC finishes in his last five seasons:
Reverse order:
1st
2nd
1st
1st
5th
That's pretty good.
Other successes elsewhere were mentioned, He's one of two coaches in UALR history with top 100 KenPom finishes, or his time at SLU. These things for some present more than just "one lucky final four run.
Fair game is the time it takes to improve, or some things could have been better here or there, or style of play or whatever people want to mention...all fair.
Can he recruit to win in the Big East? That's a reasonable question. It would be a reasonable question for a lot of candidates. He obviously recruits for Loyola and he was the lead recruiter for SLU while there. He would need to hire a couple of good recruiters and put a staff together.
But his resume is much better than one Final Four run.
*Disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MU's next HC.
You've definitely laid out the case for Moser. I think he's a top 5 candidate for the MU job. He's just not at the very top of my list.
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So we should be rooting against Texas if we want Shaka yes?
I’d take Shaka!!!
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Hire Gates
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I already mentioned above, Im certain Crean doesn’t get IU without the FF.
Buzz is a bad comparison. He’d made back to back S16s and won the Big East that year. He was a hot name every offseason before the E8.
Moser has had a career with accomplishments but without the FF he’s not being discussed. So I don’t think it’s crazy that people are trying analyze that against the rest of his career when trying to assess if it’s a repeatable thing or a fluke. I would think IU fans did the same about Crean and I wouldn’t question that for a second.
But that's just it, some, many people weren't analyzing the rest of his career, just the FF run. If you read Lazar's first post, (and 2nd and 3rd) his entire focus was on Moser's FF run and little else. That's to whom I replied in this example.
Many other people here have posted that Moser's career is simply one Final Four run. When I look at his career, his Final Four Run is certainly a great accomplishment, as many good coaches, even schools don't get those. But he has other strong results and experience as well that some would look at just as much if not more.
*Disclaimer I am not advocating for Moser to be MUBB's coach.
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Thank you.
Bruce Weber is a really, really nice guy. One of the nicest in all of college basketball. And he's pretty well-regarded as a game coach. But he has trouble recruiting, and he's a "meh" motivator. He's had a very nice career and made a bunch of money. I wish him well ... but not at Marquette (unless he wants to be an assistant for us).
Had Wojo stayed, Weber getting fired and taking an AC job was my top hope.
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You've definitely laid out the case for Moser. I think he's a top 5 candidate for the MU job. He's just not at the very top of my list.
I'm not making a case for Moser. I have mentioned many times that I. not advocating him to be MUBB's next coach.
I just pointed out MUBB is a few points away many times over from not having a Final Four and Elite 8 in the past 20 years. Others can say similar too. If MUBB gets credit for those achievements, and I believe they deserve that, then Loyola does too.
And I pointed out Loyola's regular season accomishments and some other things as to show Moser's resume is about much more than a FF run.
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Had Wojo stayed, Weber getting fired and taking an AC job was my top hope.
Yep. He coulda been great as Wojo's Jerry Wainwright.
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Can Moser recruit? Their players looked really good to me yesterday. Solid fundamentals. Crisp passing.
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I think this is generous. His typical class ranked around 120 nationally. His best two classes post-FF were 85 and 87. His 2020 class and his class for 2021 are both in the 100s. There are roughly 75 P6 schools plus Gonzaga. So he wasn’t pulling in top 25 mid major classes and wasn’t even pulling in top 10 MM classes after the highest profile magical event a school like Loyola could have.
He can identify talent for his system and coaches players up clearly, but I have big concerns about him being able to go out and get top 75/100 guys needed to be BE contenders. He’s never recruited at that level, even as an assistant. Even sole time at a power school, A&M, were some brutal years under Barone where they weren’t snagging any talent
That’s my worry. There is no doubt he’s a good Xs and Os guy.
Recruiting to Loyola is tough, Final Four or no. The facilities aren't great and it's a commuter school. You aren't getting five stars to come to Loyola. You probably aren't getting four stars to come to Loyola. Once you get past the top 100 players in the nation ... isn't it more about what the coach can do with those players than what the players can do for their coach?
Wojo had some top 25 classes, and that didn't work out to well.
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Recruiting to Loyola is tough, Final Four or no. The facilities aren't great and it's a commuter school. You aren't getting five stars to come to Loyola. You probably aren't getting four stars to come to Loyola. Once you get past the top 100 players in the nation ... isn't it more about what the coach can do with those players than what the players can do for their coach?
Wojo had some top 25 classes, and that didn't work out to well.
That’s exactly the screen name I’d expect Porter Moser to have....
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Wojo had some top 25 classes, and that didn't work out to well.
Just because Wojo wasn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his top-25 classes, it doesn't mean top-25 classes should be avoided.
Coaching well and recruiting well aren't mutually exclusive notions.
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Just because Wojo wasn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his top-25 classes, it doesn't mean top-25 classes should be avoided.
Coaching well and recruiting well aren't mutually exclusive notions.
Right, but all I'm saying is that we shouldn't think that Moser can't recruit because he didn't have highly ranked classes at Loyola. When you're the coach of Loyola, you have to sell yourself, the school, the league ... at schools like Marquette (and other high majors), it's more about you as a coach.
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Why so worried about Moser’s recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.
Besides, I’m of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we’ve seen play out over the last seven years).
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Why so worried about Moser’s recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.
Besides, I’m of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we’ve seen play out over the last seven years).
Agreed. My first choice of realistic candidates is still Dennis Gates because he has shown he can coach and recruit at a higher level, but I would be OK with Smith or Moser too.
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Just because Wojo wasn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his top-25 classes, it doesn't mean top-25 classes should be avoided.
Coaching well and recruiting well aren't mutually exclusive notions.
Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting. Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running.
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.
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I'd take Shaka regardless.
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Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting. Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running.
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.
That's legit, Pak.
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I'd take Shaka regardless.
I think I would, too. But still ... this would be worse than any loss Wojo suffered if it happens.
All that hype for Shaka ... and 6 years without a single NCAAT win ... and we'd hire him to replace a coach who was fired cuz he couldn't win NCAAT games?
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I think I would, too. But still ... this would be worse than any loss Wojo suffered if it happens.
All that hype for Shaka ... and 6 years without a single NCAAT win ... and we'd hire him to replace a coach who was fired cuz he couldn't win NCAAT games?
He's so enamored with the idea of a second shot at Marquette that he's willing to dump this ACU game just to get an interview!
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Smart is thoroughly unimpressive and Texas underachieved just as badly as MU did in Wojo’s NCAA appearances.
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Smart is thoroughly unimpressive and Texas underachieved just as badly as MU did in Wojo’s NCAA appearances.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to watch his significantly more talented team get thoroughly outworked by AC and say, "Wow, there's the coach we gotta get!"
Having said that, if Texas somehow wins and goes on to have a nice tourney ... good March runs are filled with close calls early in tournaments.
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How about Joe Golding?
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Hard pass on Shaka
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I'd take Shaka regardless.
Wojo: "I've had some bad losses in the NCAA tournament. "
Shaka: "Hold my beer ..."
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Shaka is going to be MU’s next coach.
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Humiliated by a D2 school. Wow.
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Do we want Shaka if he loses to Abilene Christian, giving him as many NCAA wins in 6 years at Texas as Wojo had in 7 years at Marquette?
He ain't gonna lose, though.
This aged poorly
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Why so worried about Moser’s recruiting? Jordan brand team in the Big East in an NBA arena, potentially hobnobbing with the back-to-back NBA MVP pretty much recruits itself.
Besides, I’m of the belief that a good coach matters far more than 5 star recruits (which we’ve seen play out over the last seven years).
Nail on the head. I also think he has come to the realization through experience and failure that you have to recruit talent, but also mentality. He would have greater access to talent at MU, but wouldn't sacrifice on the mentality. He doesn't need a major boost in resources to get it done IMO, but in MU he would have all that he needed and more.
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Shaka is going to be MU’s next coach.
I think you are right, obviously a controversial choice.
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Shaka is going to be MU’s next coach.
I don't think you're wrong. Just a gut feeling.
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How about Joe Golding?
Nah, but when TCU is finally done with the Jamie Dixon experiment, he should be a factor
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If we hire Shaka (there’s no way, just no way) I might honestly have to step away from this program for a while. Makes absolutely no sense when you take a step back and look at his history. Especially after paying so much to can wojo. Would be an unbelievably boneheaded move after the events of the last 48 hours
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Who do I want as our coach?
Moser
Or VCU coach Mike Rhoades
Will I be upset if it’s Shaka?
Nope.
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Nah, but when TCU is finally done with the Jamie Dixon experiment, he should be a factor
Honestly was joking, but he would be a good coach at TCU.
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If we hire Shaka (there’s no way, just no way) I might honestly have to step away from this program for a while. Makes absolutely no sense when you take a step back and look at his history. Especially after paying so much to can wojo. Would be an unbelievably boneheaded move after the events of the last 48 hours
Agreed. Would not make a lot of sense.
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Sure, but not landing top 25 classes at Loyola isn't an indictment of Porter's recruiting. Nobody lands top 25, or even top 50 classes in the MVC, including Gregg Marshall.
The best way to measure that is relative to one's peers, and Moser has landed the #1 or #2 class in the conference five years running.
Moser isn't my first, second or maybe even third choice, fwiw.
Moser eventually hired Milnati and Mullins to fill his AUU gap which elevated his program. Again, he learned and morphed.
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This aged poorly
The last sentence did, that's for sure. I just thought it was impossible for an absolutely loaded Texas team to lose to a team full of tiny, talent-shy players. Silly me.
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The last sentence did, that's for sure. I just thought it was impossible for an absolutely loaded Texas team to lose to a team full of tiny, talent-shy players. Silly me.
Maybe it was the Texas coaching.
/ducks/
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Old article but a good one. Warning: It is a long read. Never underestimate a Jesuit connection. #smoke
https://www.mlive.com/projects/john-beilein/
My draft board currently reads:
1. Beilein
2. Matta
3. Shaka
4. Moser
5. Kelsey
6. Craig Smith
7. Gates
8. Surprise HC
9. Up and coming Assistant
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106. Jon Scheyer
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111. Mbakwe
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137. Dukiet’s Reincarnated Body
138. Tom Crean
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781. Ners
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The more I think about Beilein, the less I think he's the guy. I just think that thugs business with the Cavs is really going to hamper him on the recruiting trail
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https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1373634785541812225?s=21
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I’d be fine with Crean. He wouldn’t be halfway out the door every year at this time. That being said, this is at his MO, so he could have no interest in our job and just be using it as leverage or to say see others want me, just like he did every year at MU.
The constant rumors of him leaving definitely hurt recruiting, in my opinion.
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https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1373634785541812225?s=21
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Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?
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Agreed. My first choice of realistic candidates is still Dennis Gates because he has shown he can coach and recruit at a higher level, but I would be OK with Smith or Moser too.
Dennis Gates would be an excellent hire.
And for those who are saying he doesn't have enough experience as a head coach, he'd come to Marquette with more D-1 head coaching experience than Hank Raymonds, Majerus, KO, Crean, Brent, and Steve had combined when they were hired as Marquette's head coach.
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MUBB and Shaka talk starts at 19:40ish
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1373643338499379205?s=21
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I’d be fine with Crean. He wouldn’t be halfway out the door every year at this time. That being said, this is at his MO, so he could have no interest in our job and just be using it as leverage or to say see others want me, just like he did every year at MU.
The constant rumors of him leaving definitely hurt recruiting, in my opinion.
I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there’s a part of him that wishes he never left.
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I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there’s a part of him that wishes he never left.
Buyers remorse is very high. He'd probably still be our coach if he didn't run to Indiana.
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Dennis Gates would be an excellent hire.
And for those who are saying he doesn't have enough experience as a head coach, he'd come to Marquette with more D-1 head coaching experience than Hank Raymonds, Majerus, KO, Crean, Brent, and Steve and Al had combined when they were hired as Marquette's head coach.
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Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?
Bo Ryan is in Palm Springs
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There is no one that would be worse in my mind than Tom Crean. No one.
Getting back together with the girlfriend/boyfriend that dumped you for the dude/chick with shiny new car makes for bad TV.
He isn’t even that good of a coach. Truly. Not that good.
I don’t think I’m alone in saying that Crean back to MU might be more detrimental than retaining Wojo. Maybe I’m wrong. I fear I’m not.
As a final note: I truly appreciated Crean’s years here. I think he gets a bad rap on many things. He was great for this program at a time the program needed it. But, he’s history. Going back to him is sad and pathetic.
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Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?
Cronin? He seems to be doing fairly well at the moment.
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I think Crean would crawl on broken glass from Athens for the MU job. His comments at the 100 year anniversary makes me think there’s a part of him that wishes he never left.
I got the same impression at the 100 year event.
I hope he's not the choice...
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Cronin? He seems to be doing fairly well at the moment.
My guess is it’s a Stan reference.
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Is there any coaches in the Southern California area we might want to talk to?
Pasternack? He was at Arizona when they were buying players, so that may make him a persona non grata in the administration's eyes.
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The return of Crean would be epic, just to watch the number of exploding heads around here. Just like Leitao returning to DePaul. What could possibly go wrong? Hell, it might be enough to even bring Jamie back as himself.
I haven't seen any indication that Crean has become a better coach.
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There is no one that would be worse in my mind than Tom Crean. No one.
Getting back together with the girlfriend/boyfriend that dumped you for the dude/chick with shiny new car makes for bad TV.
He isn’t even that good of a coach. Truly. Not that good.
I don’t think I’m alone in saying that Crean back to MU might be more detrimental than retaining Wojo. Maybe I’m wrong. I fear I’m not.
As a final note: I truly appreciated Crean’s years here. I think he gets a bad rap on many things. He was great for this program at a time the program needed it. But, he’s history. Going back to him is sad and pathetic.
Not sure he would be the worst choice, but I agree it's a bad idea. See, e.g., Dave Leitao. Surprising success at DePaul (including a C-USA title in 2004), left for the ACC and disappointed, came back to resurrect the 'sleeping giant' and failed miserably.
(And no - I am not saying Leitao was ever as successful as Crean. But DePaul would have been more than satisfied if he just matched the success he had the first time around - in the dance or at least near the bubble. Instead, his second go-around was an unmitigated disaster - 0 NCAA or NIT bids in six seasons.)
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A significant portion of this Board heaved a collective sigh of relief when Crean left for IU.
He was a good recruiter and a good program administrator; in-game coach, not so much (go watch the Stanford NCAA Tournament game if you can stomach it). I had a co-worker from IU that gave me a ton o' cr** when they hired Crean. I said, I'll talk to you in 4 years, and I patiently waited. Then I returned the favor when IU was eliminated early in the tournament.
I thank Crean for the work he did at Marquette, but it was time to move-on many, may years ago.
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Moser eventually hired Milnati and Mullins to fill his AUU gap which elevated his program. Again, he learned and morphed.
This is one of the reasons I continue to be a supporter of Moser to MU. I do not get the Shaka love here. Perhaps one of his supporters can explain exactly what evidence there is that he has learned and morphed? He and Wojo seem to have that problem in common.
The concerns as to whether or not he can recruit at a high level are legit but- there is this position known as Assistant Coach. Get one with high level recruiting experience to help Moser on another learning and morphing task.
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The return of Crean would be epic, just to watch the number of exploding heads around here. Just like Leitao returning to DePaul. What could possibly go wrong? Hell, it might be enough to even bring Jamie back as himself.
I haven't seen any indication that Crean has become a better coach.
I'd pay to see 4evers' reaction when TTT moves in next store.
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Moser is an absolutely home-run hire if the admins can pull it off.
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I used to know someone who worked for Crean in his MU days, so I got to hear all the stories (good, bad and ugly).
There is no doubt that his skill set includes some attributes that MU desperately needs. Crean would immediately work on selling MU to the fanbase again, and nobody enjoys that part of the job or works harder at it than Crean. The guy used to go out and walk the campus as classes were letting out so students would say hi and he could chat them up and get them enthused for the next game.
Unfortunately, he's not a very good game coach.
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I can think of a couple of examples in college football where a return of a coach who previously departed for elsewhere happened.
Johnny Majors to Pitt: Disaster
John Robinson to USC: Not great
Mike Riley to Oregon State: Decent
In basketball I can only think of one. Lou Henson went back to New Mexico State after he was at Illinois. And that initially worked, but then flamed out pretty badly.
I think this is a bad idea.
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Unfortunately, he's not a very good game coach.
I have fond memories of telling my wife what was going to happen before IU played Syracuse in the tournament and why. When I turned out to be spot on, being a wife, she of course didn't talk to me for a day. Mixed blessing.
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The last sentence did, that's for sure. I just thought it was impossible for an absolutely loaded Texas team to lose to a team full of tiny, talent-shy players. Silly me.
They are certainly tiny and may be talent shy, but they outworked Texas all up and down the floor. What a great win for them.
As for Shaka, no thanks. He put MU in the friend zone. Let it be. Don't go crawling back to him the moment the date he chose over us walked away. Have a little self respect.
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I can think of a couple of examples in college football where a return of a coach who previously departed for elsewhere happened.
Johnny Majors to Pitt: Disaster
John Robinson to USC: Not great
Mike Riley to Oregon State: Decent
In basketball I can only think of one. Lou Henson went back to New Mexico State after he was at Illinois. And that initially worked, but then flamed out pretty badly.
I think this is a bad idea.
Dave Leitao comes to mind.
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Dave Leitao comes to mind.
Well there ya go. Another disaster.
Really this is not a good idea. I've never personally disliked Crean, but I don't think he is a great game coach and would rather just try something new.
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Dave Leitao comes to mind.
Yep. I mentioned this in another thread (I think - there are so many....).
C-USA champs the first time around; no better than 8th his second.
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I have always kinda thought that the whole "Mrs. Shaka didn't want to go to Milwaukee" was more about her playing bad cop to Shaka's good cop.
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Well there ya go. Another disaster.
Really this is not a good idea. I've never personally disliked Crean, but I don't think he is a great game coach and would rather just try something new.
Bobby Petrino
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I have always kinda thought that the whole "Mrs. Shaka didn't want to go to Milwaukee" was more about her playing bad cop to Shaka's good cop.
Yeah, "the my wife really didn't want to move" is a classic excuse for these types of things when you suddenly get cold feet and don't know if the grass is really greener.
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Bobby Petrino
And that worked when he had generational talent...and then fell apart quickly.
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Yeah, "the my wife really didn't want to move" is a classic excuse for these types of things when you suddenly get cold feet and don't know if the grass is really greener.
If that's true, Shaka's feet probably did get cold while he was sleeping on the couch the next few weeks.
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In basketball I can only think of one. Lou Henson went back to New Mexico State after he was at Illinois. And that initially worked, but then flamed out pretty badly.
I think this is a bad idea.
Ritchie McKay also comes to mind at Liberty. That worked out better, but I'm still not on board with Crean.
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Any indication Dick Strong is one of the donors who put up the $$ to say Goodbye to Wojo? If so, they'll at least take a phone call from Crean.
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Well there ya go. Another disaster.
Really this is not a good idea. I've never personally disliked Crean, but I don't think he is a great game coach and would rather just try something new.
He had the same in-game coaching issues at Indiana. And the way he left Marquette - well.....
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Do we really want Beilein after his less than stellar NBA venture and his less than acceptable comment? Given today’s climate I don’t see that hire as a PR win for Marquette. The dude is also old at this point. Really question how much his NBA stint has tarnished his reputation and the impact that could have on his ability to recruit. What kids are going to want to sign up to play for someone who now had the reputation Beilein has? I’d personally rather dole the dice on a guy on the way up (Gates) than get a guy who’s best years may be behind him.
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Crean immediately makes MU a better team. He actually did well at Indiana, just didn’t bring the level of success that they assume they are entitled to.
I thought it was time for Crean to move on last time, actually a year earlier as I sensed frustration creeping in with him because of his undersized teams. A it’s them, not me.
Now is welcome him back. I would assume his attitude would be different. That he’d agree to a high buyout and no yearly shenanigans of being named for every viable coach opening each spring.
And, with the decline in in person sports that will only accelerate after this year, having a marketer who gets that, is a nice bonus
Least risky hire. But also a high upside.
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If Moser wins this, do you wait another week, or take your pick between Gates / Shaka this week?
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The Crean talk seems similar to any Wardle mention: without the MU connection, would he even be a candidate? I doubt any other schools with openings are considering Crean.
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If Moser wins this, do you wait another week, or take your pick between Gates / Shaka this week?
I don't think you'd necessarily need to wait on Moser if they win today. There are ways of finding out whether he'd take the job if offered.
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I can think of a couple of examples in college football where a return of a coach who previously departed for elsewhere happened.
Johnny Majors to Pitt: Disaster
John Robinson to USC: Not great
Mike Riley to Oregon State: Decent
In basketball I can only think of one. Lou Henson went back to New Mexico State after he was at Illinois. And that initially worked, but then flamed out pretty badly.
I think this is a bad idea.
Not like the glory days, yet John Robinson to USC had a Rose Bowl win in 96 and ending the long losing streak to Notre Dame. Yet, I get your point.
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The Crean talk seems similar to any Wardle mention: without the MU connection, would he even be a candidate? I doubt any other schools with openings are considering Crean.
Possibly true, but is that like Alford and Indiana or other similar situations? If he went after Minn do you think they’d be interested?
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Possibly true, but is that like Alford and Indiana or other similar situations? If he went after Minn do you think they’d be interested?
I don't think so, he's stunk out loud at Georgia. If he had them playing well then maybe he'd be a candidate elsewhere. I doubt anyone in Georgia would mind if he left.
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The only reason I would root for Crean to get the job is it would make this place the very best possible version of itself.
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I like watching Moser. Good energy (he's got the Crean clap for the nostalgic factor). Tons of great offensive sets already and defense has been solid .
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I don't think so, he's stunk out loud at Georgia. If he had them playing well then maybe he'd be a candidate elsewhere. I doubt anyone in Georgia would mind if he left.
He’s been there 3 years and they’ve improved every year. Was a program not in great shape when he took over.
He’s not killing it there, but he isn’t failing either...at least yet.
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The only reason I would root for Crean to get the job is it would make this place the very best possible version of itself.
This made me giggle as I nodded my head in agreement.
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He’s been there 3 years and they’ve improved every year. Was a program not in great shape when he took over.
He’s not killing it there, but he isn’t failing either...at least yet.
Also recruited the future #1 overall pick in Anthony Edwards
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1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates
The its definitely not happening list if we are delusional and dreaming
1. Wright
2. Stevens
3. Pitino
4. Doc
5. Oats
6. Shaka
1.Beilein
2.Moser if we can get him or afford him
3.Gates
4.Smith
5. DeVries
This Game just flipped Gates and Moser for me.
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For the reasons Brew laid out earlier, I think Shaka would be a good hire. He recruits well. They play a fun style. He has been a good defensive coach. He's had some bad luck.
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I've said before that I don't envy the person making the decision here. Not an easy one. But here is how I would play this one out.
Right now, wait for Moser.
If Moser wants the job, it's his. Proven he is a great coach. I'm less worried about the recruiting angle. To some extent "recruiting" gets some coaches in trouble, where they start to focus on rankings/talent, and less on the right players for your system, and the right attitude with respect to program buy-in. Wright has succeeded so much be cause he gets both, talent and buy-in. But unless you are Kentucky/Duke, you want buy-in with a sprinkle of high-level talent. I think Moser understands that.
While waiting on Moser. Start kicking the tires with Shaka, see what happens there, and keep Gates on line 1. If Gates gets snatched up so be it.
If Shaka becomes available, take him, if not offer the job to Gates.
There are a couple reasonable emergency candidates if this all falls through. They should be in regular contact with them, while you let the whole thing play out.
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The more I think about Beilein, the less I think he's the guy. I just think that thugs business with the Cavs is really going to hamper him on the recruiting trail
I think the fact that he wants to bring his son along wherever he goes as a reclamation project is probably the biggest hurdle. He might have to go the Pitino/Iona route to get that done.
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I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31103212/rick-pitino-heaven-coaching-iona-men-basketball-wants-no-part-big-programs-anymore) at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?
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I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31103212/rick-pitino-heaven-coaching-iona-men-basketball-wants-no-part-big-programs-anymore) at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?
UNLV on line 1
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I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31103212/rick-pitino-heaven-coaching-iona-men-basketball-wants-no-part-big-programs-anymore) at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?
Don't mess with heaven, hey?
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NM
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I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31103212/rick-pitino-heaven-coaching-iona-men-basketball-wants-no-part-big-programs-anymore) at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?
Agree that is what what I was thinking too when Pitino said that.
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Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine how anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing our history and the importance of this next hire for our program
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Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing the history and the importance of this next hire for our program
Co-sign
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It seems the vast majority prefer MU to approach a current HC of a mid-major program...Moser, Gates...rather than approach a current HC of a high level D-I program? Phone calls are free, but calling a Beard, Bennett, Drew, is unrealistic to think they’d want to talk?
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Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing the history and the importance of this next hire for our program
I think he'd be an upgrade over what we had, but not over what we could have.
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I think he'd be an upgrade over what we had, but not over what we could have.
Agreed. Would I rather have Crean than wojo? Of course, I’d rather have almost any D1 coach than wojo. But there’s absolutely no reason we should be stuck to someone like Crean just cause he’s a former coach
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For the reasons Brew laid out earlier, I think Shaka would be a good hire. He recruits well. They play a fun style. He has been a good defensive coach. He's had some bad luck.
Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it’s been very different
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It seems the vast majority prefer MU to approach a current HC of a mid-major program...Moser, Gates...rather than approach a current HC of a high level D-I program? Phone calls are free, but calling a Beard, Bennett, Drew, is unrealistic to think they’d want to talk?
Yes.
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Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it’s been very different
Agreed. Everyone who supports Shaka seems to think we could make him switch back to his VCU style, but I am not sure that would happen. His Texas teams were always talented but looked pretty disorganized. When they won, it was often because they simply had superior talent.
If we could get an ironclad guarantee that he would return to his stylistic routes, I would be more open to him.
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Yes.
Probably depends on what you want to talk about. Whataburger, the Green Bay Packers, video games? Possibly. Our head coaching job? Not so much.
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Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it’s been very different
How so? When I watched Texas they played fast, got out in transition, shot a ton of 3s, and were very good on defense. The numbers back all of that up.
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Jason Kidd reportedly wants to get back into head coaching at the college level
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937230-lakers-rumors-jason-kidd-targeted-by-unlv-for-head-coaching-vacancy
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How so? When I watched Texas they played fast, got out in transition, shot a ton of 3s, and were very good on defense. The numbers back all of that up.
The numbers don't, though.
It's not a perfect measure of pace, but Texas' possessions per game ranking the last five years:
2021 - 147th
2020 -321st
2019 - 293rd
2018 - 213th
2017 - 252nd
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Would love to see MU make a run at Jeff Van Gundy
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The numbers don't, though.
It's not a perfect measure of pace, but Texas' possessions per game ranking the last five years:
2021 - 147th
2020 -321st
2019 - 293rd
2018 - 213th
2017 - 252nd
You are correct. But if you look at their Avg. offensive possession length it's much quicker this year.
I'll admit it was slower than I thought in past years.
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Would love to see MU make a run at Jeff Van Gundy
Jesus now we have a Van Gundy in the speculative mix?
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We had a fun Marquette 20 year run 4 seats front row center court. Purchased family and friends yellow tee shirts most every game and we drank one beer in the first half and one beer in the second half. Later we moved back about 10 rows but knew the jumbotron camera person and got on most games. Wardle would say hi. Good times. But again hope MU can do better than Wardle.
They Tell Me My Dad was one of the Heads of The Marquette University National Association Of Lawyers And Judges. Sometimes I hear stuff but not often and only repeat after the statute of limitations runs out.
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Yes.
a) why did I know you would offer a condescending bs comment.
b) have you ever been in sales? Or, have you ever asked the best looking girl in school on a date? Risk getting shot down. Risk getting embarrassed, but ask. All she can say is no.
c) why should MU not place a call? What if MU hires whoever, and word gets out that Bennett wants to back to WI and the MU job was of interest, but MU never called? So we’ve settle for a burger when filet was available. Smart.
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a) why did I know you would offer a condescending bs comment.
b) have you ever been in sales? Or, have you ever asked the best looking girl in school on a date? Risk getting shot down. Risk getting embarrassed, but ask. All she can say is no.
c) why should MU not place a call? What if MU hires whoever, and word gets out that Bennett wants to back to WI and the MU job was of interest, but MU never called? So we’ve settle for a burger when filet was available. Smart.
I think Bennett would then fire his agent for not getting in touch with MU.
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a) why did I know you would offer a condescending bs comment.
b) have you ever been in sales? Or, have you ever asked the best looking girl in school on a date? Risk getting shot down. Risk getting embarrassed, but ask. All she can say is no.
c) why should MU not place a call? What if MU hires whoever, and word gets out that Bennett wants to back to WI and the MU job was of interest, but MU never called? So we’ve settle for a burger when filet was available. Smart.
a) I simply answered your question
b) I am in sales. I know exactly how this works. Don't waste your time and energy on things that aren't likely to happen.
c) That being said, they may have had conversations with agents (there are only a handful of agents that represent most coaches) and know exactly where they would stand with those coaches. My guess is Scholl has heard from agents representing a number of coaches that MU would have no interest in as well.
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Jason Kidd reportedly wants to get back into head coaching at the college level
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937230-lakers-rumors-jason-kidd-targeted-by-unlv-for-head-coaching-vacancy
Laughed out loud at this. I’d rather we just kept wojo and I’m dead serious
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My Daydreaming Fear is we lose Moser to DePaul (sleeping giant) while we're chasing Shaka.
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Houston’s Sasser 1 for 9 on 3s
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When do we start watching the flight tracker sites and track the private planes flying into Milwaukee or any other nearby airport?
Though in the case of Moser I guess we just have to track his Ipass maybe.
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Why isn’t anyone advocating for Paul Mills now that ORU is in S16?
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My Daydreaming Fear is we lose Moser to DePaul (sleeping giant) while we're chasing Shaka.
They've been asleep for three decades. That beast ain't waking up quickly.
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b) I am in sales. I know exactly how this works. Don't waste your time and energy on things that aren't likely to happen.
Fluff
Didn’t know you were in sales, thought you worked for a college/university. Anyway, what would be a bigger waste of time for a salesman - making a phone call to a big fish who will likely turn you down or spending a couple of hours every workday BSing with guys on a message board? Asking for a friend.
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My Daydreaming Fear is we lose Moser to DePaul (sleeping giant) while we're chasing Shaka.
DePaul...Sleeping Giant...HAHAHAHAHA
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He’s been there 3 years and they’ve improved every year. Was a program not in great shape when he took over.
He's been there 10 years, last three of note. Would we wait 8 to 10 for improved results??
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Fluff
Didn’t know you were in sales, thought you worked for a college/university. Anyway, what would be a bigger waste of time for a salesman - making a phone call to a big fish who will likely turn you down or spending a couple of hours every workday BSing with guys on a message board? Asking for a friend.
I laughed.
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Why isn’t anyone advocating for Paul Mills now that ORU is in S16?
4 seasons with an overall record below .500 and the best he’s finished is 4th in the Summit. His team is making a great run this weekend, but I just can’t get excited about him.
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They've been asleep for three decades. That beast ain't waking up quickly.
I think JLP has left the Building.
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DePaul...Sleeping Giant...HAHAHAHAHA
Seems like a different outlook over there.
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Lenny
You really knock out of the park sometimes. Your post is beyond spot on.
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I think JLP has left the Building.
DePaul's problems go well beyond one person.
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Funny that there are people on here suggesting you can’t be successful in a career while spending time on MUScoop. There is a lot of irony in posting that in MUScoop.
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DePaul's problems go well beyond one person.
Yep, but progress and change begins with the 1st steps.
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Funny that there are people on here suggesting you can’t be successful in a career while spending time on MUScoop. There is a lot of irony in posting that in MUScoop.
Yep.
Though I assume that comment was made in jest.
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Funny that there are people on here suggesting you can’t be successful in a career while spending time on MUScoop. There is a lot of irony in posting that in MUScoop.
Was thinking the same thing. We've had retired guys make fun of other retired guys on here, for not being as "successfully" retired. Whatever. Life your best life people. Hopefully that doesn't mean you have to try to tear down other people's lives.
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There is more to Lenny’s comment than the time spent on here by Fluff.
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Would love to see MU make a run at Jeff Van Gundy
No.
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DePaul...Sleeping Giant...HAHAHAHAHA
They Are Rip Van Winkle
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Funny that there are people on here suggesting you can’t be successful in a career while spending time on MUScoop. There is a lot of irony in posting that in MUScoop.
Chico disproved that (according to him)
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Fluff
Didn’t know you were in sales, thought you worked for a college/university. Anyway, what would be a bigger waste of time for a salesman - making a phone call to a big fish who will likely turn you down or spending a couple of hours every workday BSing with guys on a message board? Asking for a friend.
Not all can be amazingly productive like me.
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In a perfect world, Marquette would be hiring in a year when they are the biggest/best opening out there.
There is no escaping the fact that many still consider Indiana a top 5-6 job...but I think that the job has lost a quite a bit of its luster. There was a time that nobody would doubt that a coach would choose IU over MU. That might still be true, but I'm not convinced. But, it's a really attractive job and I'd think they will be in the running for any coach they offer.
I think the two other biggest openings right now are Minnesota and Utah. Any opening in either B10 or P12 is going to be an attractive opening with a lot of resources. I think Minnesota is clearly the better opening. In my (biased) opinion, Marquette is a better job than either of those...but maybe it's close with Minnesota.
I'm guardedly optimistic that Marquette won't lose its top choice to another D1 program. Fingers crossed.
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In a perfect world, Marquette would be hiring in a year when they are the biggest/best opening out there.
There is no escaping the fact that many still consider Indiana a top 5-6 job...but I think that the job has lost a quite a bit of its luster. There was a time that nobody would doubt that a coach would choose IU over MU. That might still be true, but I'm not convinced. But, it's a really attractive job and I'd think they will be in the running for any coach they offer.
I think the two other biggest openings right now are Minnesota and Utah. Any opening in either B10 or P12 is going to be an attractive opening with a lot of resources. I think Minnesota is clearly the better opening. In my (biased) opinion, Marquette is a better job than either of those...but maybe it's close with Minnesota.
I'm guardedly optimistic that Marquette won't lose its top choice to another D1 program. Fingers crossed.
Also, I can't image the Final Four or fired norm at Indiana is very appealing.
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In a perfect world, Marquette would be hiring in a year when they are the biggest/best opening out there.
There is no escaping the fact that many still consider Indiana a top 5-6 job...but I think that the job has lost a quite a bit of its luster. There was a time that nobody would doubt that a coach would choose IU over MU. That might still be true, but I'm not convinced. But, it's a really attractive job and I'd think they will be in the running for any coach they offer.
I think the two other biggest openings right now are Minnesota and Utah. Any opening in either B10 or P12 is going to be an attractive opening with a lot of resources. I think Minnesota is clearly the better opening. In my (biased) opinion, Marquette is a better job than either of those...but maybe it's close with Minnesota.
I'm guardedly optimistic that Marquette won't lose its top choice to another D1 program. Fingers crossed.
It won't......
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I think there’s an opportunity to win quicker in the Big East. If you lined up the coaches in the Big Ten against the Big East, it’s pretty clear which conference has the deeper coaching bench.
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It won't......
Care to expand your thinking?
And for the record, I should clarify that I meant would not lose their top pick to another D1 opening. This is, of course, different than saying they'll get their top pick. If someone elects not to leave a current position (or leaves for an NBA job), that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people willing to leave their current position for a D1 job.
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Yep, but progress and change begins with the 1st steps.
Things are changing at DePaul. Beyond the obvious (JLP leaving), there's seems to be a commitment to ensure that the program has the resources necessary to compete.
Since last spring, they have been making the right moves. They took heat by extending out Leitao last year, but that was a smart play to ensure he had no buyout this spring. Plus, it gave time to move on from JLP, hire a new AD and allow him to get settled a bit prior to the coaching search.
The hole is deep though. A lot of work for both the new coach and AD to do. Will be interesting to see who they hire.
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Things are changing at DePaul. Beyond the obvious (JLP leaving), there's seems to be a commitment to ensure that the program has the resources necessary to compete.
Since last spring, they have been making the right moves. They took heat by extending out Leitao last year, but that was a smart play to ensure he had no buyout this spring. Plus, it gave time to move on from JLP, hire a new AD and allow him to get settled a bit prior to the coaching search.
The hole is deep though. A lot of work for both the new coach and AD to do. Will be interesting to see who they hire.
Thanks, seems like their starting to try turning this lumbering Ocean Liner around.
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Thanks, seems like their starting to try turning this lumbering Ocean Liner around.
Yeah, it won't be easy. But, hire the right coach and support the program, it can happen. See Rutgers.
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Yeah, it won't be easy. But, hire the right coach and support the program, it can happen. See Rutgers.
Yes, like most plans its not too complicated, if Execution and mostly smart decisions making are in place. Interesting times ahead.
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Catching up on all of this after the weekend, and I'm surprised people think Moser would get no attention if not for the Final Four run. He's been top 2 for 4 years running in a solid mid-major conference. Obviously the FF and yesterday's win are a huge bump, but there'd still be talk of him in multiple searches.
I don't know if he's the best pick, but I don't think he'd be bad.
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I had little interest in Moser before this year but now that I've seen him replicate his success I'm all in if he's the next coach.
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Agreed. Everyone who supports Shaka seems to think we could make him switch back to his VCU style, but I am not sure that would happen. His Texas teams were always talented but looked pretty disorganized. When they won, it was often because they simply had superior talent.
If we could get an ironclad guarantee that he would return to his stylistic routes, I would be more open to him.
It is a lot easier to get guys who do not think they are destined to be multi-millionaire basketball players to buy into your successful college style than it is top recruits whose main goal is the NBA. Goes for Smart and Moser.
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I had little interest in Moser before this year but now that I've seen him replicate his success I'm all in if he's the next coach.
Same. I'll freely admit I thought the FF run was a fluke. But watching a bunch of Loyola's regular season games of theirs this year, juxtaposed against our haphazard approach to the game, I was floored by what he was getting out of his team. Just beautiful basketball. Ain't a fluke. The guy is the goods.
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Same. I'll freely admit I thought the FF run was a fluke. But watching a bunch of Loyola's regular season games of theirs this year, juxtaposed against our haphazard approach to the game, I was floored by what he was getting out of his team. Just beautiful basketball. Ain't a fluke. The guy is the goods.
I was really impressed with Loyola yesterday. Everyone on the floor seemed to know what their role was and how to execute the gameplan. Also, seeing how they could compete against guys who were clearly more athletically gifted by doing all the little things right was fun to watch. I would love to see that kind of basketball here at MU.
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It is a lot easier to get guys who do not think they are destined to be multi-millionaire basketball players to buy into your successful college style than it is top recruits whose main goal is the NBA. Goes for Smart and Moser.
Seems like this is common-sense, but you'd probably have to go pretty far down that top 100 (200) recruit list to find someone who doesn't have a main goal of the NBA. Then you run into the issue of having quite a few top programs with the same premise (VA, Wisconsin, etc...) and competing against them. In reality, your asking most players to take a back seat until they've figured out the system enough that it's second nature (JRs/Srs). I'm all for Moser, but really there is a ceiling to level of recruit you can expect with him or he caves and starts sacrificing some of his principles.
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Same. I'll freely admit I thought the FF run was a fluke. But watching a bunch of Loyola's regular season games of theirs this year, juxtaposed against our haphazard approach to the game, I was floored by what he was getting out of his team. Just beautiful basketball. Ain't a fluke. The guy is the goods.
Agree completely (except the fluke comment). Anyone else who is willing to admit that, at one point during the game, he imagined Loyola's players in Marquette unis? I did. I thought "that could be us". Maybe it will be if we get Moser.
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Agree completely (except the fluke comment). Anyone else who is willing to admit that, at one point during the game, he imagined Loyola's players in Marquette unis? I did. I thought "that could be us". Maybe it will be if we get Moser.
Yep. Even if Moser couldn't recruit quite the same level of talent to MU as we're used to, it would make for a very entertaining brand of basketball.
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Seems like this is common-sense, but you'd probably have to go pretty far down that top 100 (200) recruit list to find someone who doesn't have a main goal of the NBA. Then you run into the issue of having quite a few top programs with the same premise (VA, Wisconsin, etc...) and competing against them. In reality, your asking most players to take a back seat until they've figured out the system enough that it's second nature (JRs/Srs). I'm all for Moser, but really there is a ceiling to level of recruit you can expect with him or he caves and starts sacrificing some of his principles.
The ceiling would be no different than what it has been the last 7 years. Only difference is the team would be better coached by far.
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The ceiling would be no different than what it has been the last 7 years. Only difference is the team would be better coached by far.
I’d like to think we wouldn’t have to hold our collective breath every time we need to inbound the ball under the basket.
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The ceiling would be no different than what it has been the last 7 years. Only difference is the team would be better coached by far.
Not sure Markus, Dawson, Henry, Lewis are coming to Marquette under Moser. Same reason Herro backed out of Wisconsin. It's not a bad thing as far as the team is concerned, but Wojo was definitely selling shots per minute as a freshman in his powerpoint presentation to those guys.
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It won't......
Because we're bringing back Wojo, or because we're bringing in Leitao?
Yep. Even if Moser couldn't recruit quite the same level of talent to MU as we're used to, it would make for a very entertaining brand of basketball.
I think it depends on how one defines "entertaining." For some, they want high-flying dunks and/or high-pressure defense. Anything else, they call "boring."
But I agree with you. I have watched Loyola's two games in this tournament and a couple during the season, and I find it entertaining and satisfying.
It's kind of like watching a baseball team win by doing all the fundamentals and little things right rather than swinging as hard as they can going for home runs every time.
Still, it's important to have athletes who can do all the little things right while playing better opponents game after game.
Not sure Markus, Dawson, Henry, Lewis are coming to Marquette under Moser. Same reason Herro backed out of Wisconsin. It's not a bad thing as far as the team is concerned, but Wojo was definitely selling shots per minute as a freshman in his powerpoint presentation to those guys.
This absolutely could be true.
Then again, most of Buzz's recruits weren't highly sought after. He was a great salesman who convinced them they could be part of something wonderful.
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while not mutually exclusive the coaching/recruiting issue is a bit like the uncertainty principle in physics, the more you know about one the less you know about the other. That being the case isn't wiser to take a guy who can coach and possibly get the most out of less talent than the guy who can recruit but is more likely to get less out of more? Given the stature of the program at MU, I would think it wier to take the guy who can coach and allow the program to attract quality players
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while not mutually exclusive the coaching/recruiting issue is a bit like the uncertainty principle in physics, the more you know about one the less you know about the other. That being the case isn't wiser to take a guy who can coach and possibly get the most out of less talent than the guy who can recruit but is more likely to get less out of more? Given the stature of the program at MU, I would think it wier to take the guy who can coach and allow the program to attract quality players
JS/Steele new article today but nothing new (can’t link subscribers only)
Moser/Beilein/smith/Kelsey/gates
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Not sure Markus, Dawson, Henry, Lewis are coming to Marquette under Moser. Same reason Herro backed out of Wisconsin. It's not a bad thing as far as the team is concerned, but Wojo was definitely selling shots per minute as a freshman in his powerpoint presentation to those guys.
Sound like your saying they're leaving regardless who the coach is.
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The more you read and hear about Dennis Gates, the harder it is to not be impressed by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoNOVmOCu8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyF7wDPlZVE
https://theundefeated.com/features/dennis-gates-bet-on-himself-and-brought-cleveland-state-back-to-the-ncaa-tournament/
First two are brief videos about his time at Florida State, the third is a recent Undefeated article about his time at Cleveland State.
Telling that Jonathan Isaac, CJ Walker, and other stars at Florida State mention that he's the main reason they committed to FSU: he was "the big brother they didn't have". Leonard Hamilton said he's the most well-prepared coach he's ever worked with. I get that these things are meant to be puff pieces, but you listen to the guy and it's hard to argue with it. His guys genuinely love him, he was one of the heads of the Leadership Committee at Florida State, and he's shown he has legit head coaching chops. That and the fact he has Chicago/Whitney Young roots, played at Cal so has West Coast ties, and thrived at Florida State so has Southeast ties, it's no surprise he has such a sterling reputation as a dynamite recruiter.
I have had pause on Gates because it seems like quasi-Wojo 2.0 with slightly more experience: a long-time assistant under a phenomenal coach who is regarded as an incredible recruiter. And I have always preferred Beilein (sounds like that's not happening) or Shaka. But the more I learn about Dennis Gates the more and more excited I'd be if he got the job here. Certainly not as flashy as Shaka, who I think I still want as a Plan A, but I think Gates could be an incredible hire for Marquette if that's the route they go.
Whether it's at Marquette, or at the next high major spot he'd end up at, I don't see a scenario where Dennis Gates isn't a really successful head coach. I'm a huge fan.
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Fluff
Didn’t know you were in sales, thought you worked for a college/university. Anyway, what would be a bigger waste of time for a salesman - making a phone call to a big fish who will likely turn you down or spending a couple of hours every workday BSing with guys on a message board? Asking for a friend.
Lenny= Ja Morent
Fluff= Joey Hauser with a face full of Ja's scrotum.
Bravo, Lenny.
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I'd be excited for Gates if that was the choice.
One name I saw in some article I haven't seen here is Charles Lee asst coach for the bucks. Young but has already been interviewed for an NBA coaching position. Couple years exp. @ bucknell where he was conf poy in 2006. Seems to be on NBA fast track so maybe not interested in college.
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Not sure Markus, Dawson, Henry, Lewis are coming to Marquette under Moser. Same reason Herro backed out of Wisconsin. It's not a bad thing as far as the team is concerned, but Wojo was definitely selling shots per minute as a freshman in his powerpoint presentation to those guys.
Maybe, maybe not on those specific players but Henry being a one and done and all about himself probably hurt Wojo and is not helpful for a program like Marquette. Those players if they didn't come would have been replaced by other very good 4 star players. Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Virginia and those types of programs can and do recruit high talent and last I checked they consistently make the NCAA tournament with success. To say hiring Moser would instantly cap us from not getting top 100 players is disingenuous. I actually think players like Markus, Dawson and Lewis would benefit greatly from a coach like Moser. For how great we like to think Wojo is at recruiting there has not been a parade of players joining the NBA.
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Not all can be amazingly productive like me.
you must be on an MU transfer commission then eyn'a?
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The more you read and hear about Dennis Gates, the harder it is to not be impressed by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoNOVmOCu8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyF7wDPlZVE
https://theundefeated.com/features/dennis-gates-bet-on-himself-and-brought-cleveland-state-back-to-the-ncaa-tournament/
First two are brief videos about his time at Florida State, the third is a recent Undefeated article about his time at Cleveland State.
Telling that Jonathan Isaac, CJ Walker, and other stars at Florida State mention that he's the main reason they committed to FSU: he was "the big brother they didn't have". Leonard Hamilton said he's the most well-prepared coach he's ever worked with. I get that these things are meant to be puff pieces, but you listen to the guy and it's hard to argue with it. His guys genuinely love him, he was one of the heads of the Leadership Committee at Florida State, and he's shown he has legit head coaching chops. That and the fact he has Chicago/Whitney Young roots, played at Cal so has West Coast ties, and thrived at Florida State so has Southeast ties, it's no surprise he has such a sterling reputation as a dynamite recruiter.
I have had pause on Gates because it seems like quasi-Wojo 2.0 with slightly more experience: a long-time assistant under a phenomenal coach who is regarded as an incredible recruiter. And I have always preferred Beilein (sounds like that's not happening) or Shaka. But the more I learn about Dennis Gates the more and more excited I'd be if he got the job here. Certainly not as flashy as Shaka, who I think I still want as a Plan A, but I think Gates could be an incredible hire for Marquette if that's the route they go.
Whether it's at Marquette, or at the next high major spot he'd end up at, I don't see a scenario where Dennis Gates isn't a really successful head coach. I'm a huge fan.
Agreed with all and thanks for the links. Gates is my very close #2, I think we'd ve in very good hands with him at the helm
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Maybe, maybe not on those specific players but Henry being a one and done and all about himself probably hurt Wojo and is not helpful for a program like Marquette. Those players if they didn't come would have been replaced by other very good 4 star players. Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Virginia and those types of programs can and do recruit high talent and last I checked they consistently make the NCAA tournament with success. To say hiring Moser would instantly cap us from not getting top 100 players is disingenuous. I actually think players like Markus, Dawson and Lewis would benefit greatly from a coach like Moser. For how great we like to think Wojo is at recruiting there has not been a parade of players joining the NBA.
Gonzaga doesn’t belong in the same discussion as Wisconsin and UVA when it comes to recruiting.
Tony Bennett has been at UVA for 12 years, been an NCAA caliber team for the last 10, a consistent top 15 team for the last 8...and he’s put 7 (maybe 8) guys he recruited in the NBA, and 3 of those are in the last 2 years. That’s much lower than most schools in that position. Louisville has 10 in that time. Michigan 12-13, Michigan St 12, etc... Same situation with Wisconsin.
It doesn’t instantly cap anything but it’s a much different and more difficult recruiting pitch for a slow, defense first style.
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Does twitter order followers by most recent still? Gates top followers are basically all of MU basketball past 20 years (including Buzz). I know he was at MU, just wondering if everyone is reaching out now. #twittertracker
Bumping this. Most of his MU followers have now unfollowed him including Broeker and several assistants.
Does it mean something? Nothing? Hard to say.
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Bumping this. Most of his MU followers have now unfollowed him including Broeker and several assistants.
Does it mean something? Nothing? Hard to say.
I see Broeker and Gainey still follow him. He follows Danielle Josetti of MU as well. Not sure if some of these are just based on his time at MU and the fact the coaching fraternity is pretty small.
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Bumping this. Most of his MU followers have now unfollowed him including Broeker and several assistants.
Does it mean something? Nothing? Hard to say.
This is not true.
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The way I look at it, I'm not going to get too high or too low based on whoever we hire. People with more at stake and who are more knowledgeable about the candidates and the situation than me are making the decision. I'll give whoever is selected my support and root for the best. (I had my concerns but Wojo didn't lose me until the finish to 2019-20 season.)
The only conceivable hire that would move me much would be Tom Crean. I liked him when he was here, but I never think it is a good idea to bring someone back like that, so I would be very disappointed in that hire.
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The way I look at it, I'm not going to get too high or too low based on whoever we hire. People with more at stake and who are more knowledgeable about the candidates and the situation than me are making the decision. I'll give whoever is selected my support and root for the best. (I had my concerns but Wojo didn't lose me until the finish to 2019-20 season.)
The only conceivable hire that would move me much would be Tom Crean. I liked him when he was here, but I never think it is a good idea to bring someone back like that, so I would be very disappointed in that hire.
I agree with this, but honestly I'll be at least a little disappointed if they hire an assistant with no head coaching experience again. (I know Buzz had a little experience, but still...) I know experience is no guarantee of success and lack of experience is no guarantee of failure, but I just want to see them try something different and to showcase to the world that this is a desirable job within the coaching community. I know it's stilly, but here we are...
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The way I look at it, I'm not going to get too high or too low based on whoever we hire. People with more at stake and who are more knowledgeable about the candidates and the situation than me are making the decision. I'll give whoever is selected my support and root for the best. (I had my concerns but Wojo didn't lose me until the finish to 2019-20 season.)
That's a good way to look at it. After all, history is full of 'home run hires' that went bust, and no-name hires (Buzz) who achieved great success.
I have my preferences, and will be a happier with some than others, but I won't completely lose it if MU doesn't hire one of my top choices.
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Recent Video with Gates. I like his thought process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfTUrfHADY
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The pool of potential real options seems a lot better than in the past. I like out chances of landing a good one. If it ends up being an assistant, which it probably won't, it will be because the assistant blew everyone away and is the best fit. Not because there were no other better experienced options.
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Agree with this... Packers hired the best person they could find and it worked out to say the least. Pretty much everyone 2nd guessed the picked at some level. Hoping Gates or whomever it is, just knocks their socks off with their plan and they don't worry about immediate twitter reaction.
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Maybe, maybe not on those specific players but Henry being a one and done and all about himself probably hurt Wojo and is not helpful for a program like Marquette. Those players if they didn't come would have been replaced by other very good 4 star players. Wisconsin, Gonzaga and Virginia and those types of programs can and do recruit high talent and last I checked they consistently make the NCAA tournament with success. To say hiring Moser would instantly cap us from not getting top 100 players is disingenuous. I actually think players like Markus, Dawson and Lewis would benefit greatly from a coach like Moser. For how great we like to think Wojo is at recruiting there has not been a parade of players joining the NBA.
Plus, much of recruiting is the assistant coaches. Give Moser real recruiters and he should be fine in that department.
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i realize it would be incredible to lure mark few or lavall jordan away from their prospective schools, but "the best thing about freshman is they become sophomores"
not so sure there is a "sure thing" hire right now that some well established coach would say, yeah, i'm going to leave my fill in the blank warm(er) state for milwaukee wisconsin unless the money was just too good to be true. MU isn't exactly in the best of financial conditions now and going forward. unless they are looking at it from chicken/egg situation. do we need to or can we rely on b-ball resurrect our school?
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I think Butler fans would drive Lavall Jordan back to Milwaukee if we showed a hint of interest.
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i realize it would be incredible to lure mark few or lavall jordan away from their prospective schools, but "the best thing about freshman is they become sophomores"
Those are two wildly disparate names, in terms of career success :o
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Rocket
Hard pass on Jordan
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It would be “incredible” to lure Lavall Jordan away? The guy’s got one foot in the grave at Butler. If Matta decides he wants that job, Jordan’s toast.
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https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1374463454203895811?s=20
Goodman says if he were a betting man he'd go with Moser to MU. Also mentions Beilein, Gates (who he says is involved at Depaul) and says he doesn't even think Shaka could get MU at this point, not the other way around.
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What minute did the mu talk start?
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What minute did the mu talk start?
50
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Rocket
Hard pass on Jordan
Jordan was a joke I assume for MU. But, he does have three Top 50 recruits coming. And if I recall, has the highest rated BE class coming in.
https://butlersports.com/news/2020/11/11/mens-basketball-butlermbb-adds-three-local-standouts-as-class-of-2021.aspx
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Jordan was a joke I assume for MU. But, he does have three Top 50 recruits coming. And if I recall, has the highest rated BE class coming in.
https://butlersports.com/news/2020/11/11/mens-basketball-butlermbb-adds-three-local-standouts-as-class-of-2021.aspx
Top 50 for their respective positions....hardly overwhelming.
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The more you read and hear about Dennis Gates, the harder it is to not be impressed by the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoNOVmOCu8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyF7wDPlZVE
https://theundefeated.com/features/dennis-gates-bet-on-himself-and-brought-cleveland-state-back-to-the-ncaa-tournament/
First two are brief videos about his time at Florida State, the third is a recent Undefeated article about his time at Cleveland State.
Telling that Jonathan Isaac, CJ Walker, and other stars at Florida State mention that he's the main reason they committed to FSU: he was "the big brother they didn't have". Leonard Hamilton said he's the most well-prepared coach he's ever worked with. I get that these things are meant to be puff pieces, but you listen to the guy and it's hard to argue with it. His guys genuinely love him, he was one of the heads of the Leadership Committee at Florida State, and he's shown he has legit head coaching chops. That and the fact he has Chicago/Whitney Young roots, played at Cal so has West Coast ties, and thrived at Florida State so has Southeast ties, it's no surprise he has such a sterling reputation as a dynamite recruiter.
I have had pause on Gates because it seems like quasi-Wojo 2.0 with slightly more experience: a long-time assistant under a phenomenal coach who is regarded as an incredible recruiter. And I have always preferred Beilein (sounds like that's not happening) or Shaka. But the more I learn about Dennis Gates the more and more excited I'd be if he got the job here. Certainly not as flashy as Shaka, who I think I still want as a Plan A, but I think Gates could be an incredible hire for Marquette if that's the route they go.
Whether it's at Marquette, or at the next high major spot he'd end up at, I don't see a scenario where Dennis Gates isn't a really successful head coach. I'm a huge fan.
the biggest question mark on Gates is what happens when Lenoard Hamilton steps down. I have a friend in Tallahassee who swears Gates will be the next FSU head coach. Hamiton is 72 and that could be within a few years. Do we take the chance he could be gone within a few years?
For me, if it gets us some tourney wins in the meantime, I say yes.
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Top 50 for their respective positions....hardly overwhelming.
Yes, I was curious also. MU is ranked 24 th class and I never recalled Butler.
Went to Rivals and Butler did not have one signee in Top 150.
Three guys who were not ranked at all and were three stars.
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Yes, I was curious also. MU is ranked 24 th class and I never recalled Butler.
Went to Rivals and Butler did not have one signee in Top 150.
Three guys who were not ranked at all and were three stars.
I heard it on FS1 but my bad.
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Dr. B
I think we can do a lot better and we are in great spot this time around. I am excited that MU will be in better spot in next week or so.
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Dr. B
I think we can do a lot better and we are in great spot this time around. I am excited that MU will be in better spot in next week or so.
Yes sir. Jordan wouldn't be in my Top 100.
Edit: It was his freshman class that was #15th. I was surprised by that as I felt he was flailing there.
https://butlersports.com/news/2019/11/19/mens-basketball-butlermbb-signs-highest-ranked-recruiting-class-in-program-history.aspx
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Jordan was a joke I assume for MU. But, he does have three Top 50 recruits coming. And if I recall, has the highest rated BE class coming in.
https://butlersports.com/news/2020/11/11/mens-basketball-butlermbb-adds-three-local-standouts-as-class-of-2021.aspx
actually doc(and goose), i thought he was held in higher regard, mainly due to recruiting. but thank you for the info
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actually doc, i thought he was held in higher regard, mainly due to recruiting. but thank you for the info
To be honest Doc, I don't what to make of him. His teams are very well coached, but recruiting is an issue. Yet I see that.
The jury is out but this may be a Chico's Special. 5 years to judge.
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Interesting tweet from Dennis Gates
https://mobile.twitter.com/coachdgates/status/1371579584957837318
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Interesting tweet from Dennis Gates
https://mobile.twitter.com/coachdgates/status/1371579584957837318
He played against Sampson in the first round, so that made it a story.
Not sure if you are implying this is a sign he might come to MU.
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Interesting tweet from Dennis Gates
https://mobile.twitter.com/coachdgates/status/1371579584957837318
Was March 15, before wojo was fired. I’m not reading much into it
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He played against Sampson in the first round, so that made it a story.
Not sure if you are implying this is a sign he might come to MU.
I just think it was humorous and ironic that he remembers his days as a grad assistant at MU so fondly, and now here he is in the mix for the job as top dog of MU.
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Pretty obvious to me MU wants to talk to Moser, hey?
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Pretty obvious to me MU wants to talk to Moser, hey?
Eh.
He’s the guy.
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Eh.
He’s the guy.
Y’all are calling it for Moser!
I’m done doubting you, sir. Looking forward to Coach Moser’s introductory Marquette press conference.
We Are Marquette!
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https://www.pscp.tv/w/cys1qDEzMDY1OTAzfDFsRHhMcGFZRFh6eG0orQzrlW6Z8vojO-fNhmYTp0zMLOd17pztUxRo1nhg1Q==?t=44m2s
They talked MU and Moser. (I wanna say around 37min?
Doug gottlieb was on and Trigger Warning. He kinda goes on a rant about the BEast. But also talks about MUBB great culture and his love for MKE and Mike Deane.
Goodman is firm and believes PM is going to be the next MUBB coach to the point that he’s rubbing his head in disgust when someone disagrees.
Dauster believes moser stays at Loyola.
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https://www.pscp.tv/w/cys1qDEzMDY1OTAzfDFsRHhMcGFZRFh6eG0orQzrlW6Z8vojO-fNhmYTp0zMLOd17pztUxRo1nhg1Q==?t=44m2s
They talked MU and Moser. (I wanna say around 37min?
Doug gottlieb was on and Trigger Warning. He kinda goes on a rant about the BEast. But also talks about MUBB great culture and his love for MKE and Mike Deane.
Goodman is firm and believes PM is going to be the next MUBB coach to the point that he’s rubbing his head in disgust when someone disagrees.
Dauster believes moser stays at Loyola.
How do I rewind these live videos? As a pretty techy Millennial, if even I can't figure it out, something is wrong.
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https://www.pscp.tv/w/cys1qDEzMDY1OTAzfDFsRHhMcGFZRFh6eG0orQzrlW6Z8vojO-fNhmYTp0zMLOd17pztUxRo1nhg1Q==?t=44m2s
They talked MU and Moser. (I wanna say around 37min?
Doug gottlieb was on and Trigger Warning. He kinda goes on a rant about the BEast. But also talks about MUBB great culture and his love for MKE and Mike Deane.
Goodman is firm and believes PM is going to be the next MUBB coach to the point that he’s rubbing his head in disgust when someone disagrees.
Dauster believes moser stays at Loyola.
MUBB talk starts at 36 min.
To fastforward. Open the link. Hit play. Then press and hold your finger on the screen/video and a timeline will pop up. And drag the timeline to 35/36min.
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https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1374463454203895811?s=20
Goodman says if he were a betting man he'd go with Moser to MU. Also mentions Beilein, Gates (who he says is involved at Depaul) and says he doesn't even think Shaka could get MU at this point, not the other way around.
I wonder how much of the "Shaka" isn't even candidate, couldn't get the job talk is a result of possibly "false advertising".
If MU wants to target Shaka, it behoves them to convince Texas they are not interested, especially if TX is looking for an out on the buyout, or was hoping a MU would be willing to pay a buyout they could use to buy a new coach.
Could be part of a game of chicken. If so, Goodman may have more inside info than we think, as MU would be trading intel. Could mean Moser number 1, Shaka a close 2nd.
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I wonder how much of the "Shaka" isn't even candidate, couldn't get the job talk is a result of possibly "false advertising".
If MU wants to target Shaka, it behoves them to convince Texas they are not interested, especially if TX is looking for an out on the buyout, or was hoping a MU would be willing to pay a buyout they could use to buy a new coach.
Could be part of a game of chicken. If so, Goodman may have more inside info than we think, as MU would be trading intel. Could mean Moser number 1, Shaka a close 2nd.
So now it's Marquette, not Wojo, playing the mind games
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I wonder how much of the "Shaka" isn't even candidate, couldn't get the job talk is a result of possibly "false advertising".
If MU wants to target Shaka, it behoves them to convince Texas they are not interested, especially if TX is looking for an out on the buyout, or was hoping a MU would be willing to pay a buyout they could use to buy a new coach.
Could be part of a game of chicken. If so, Goodman may have more inside info than we think, as MU would be trading intel. Could mean Moser number 1, Shaka a close 2nd.
Or, it could mean...stay with me here...Shaka isn't even a candidate. I suspect we'll never know.
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I wonder how much of the "Shaka" isn't even candidate, couldn't get the job talk is a result of possibly "false advertising".
If MU wants to target Shaka, it behoves them to convince Texas they are not interested, especially if TX is looking for an out on the buyout, or was hoping a MU would be willing to pay a buyout they could use to buy a new coach.
Could be part of a game of chicken. If so, Goodman may have more inside info than we think, as MU would be trading intel. Could mean Moser number 1, Shaka a close 2nd.
If MU wants Shaka, Shaka wants MU, and Texas wants to be free of Shaka, it would be in the best interest of all parties to simply negotiate all of the buyouts down to more reasonable levels. Could that be happening how?
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If MU wants Shaka, Shaka wants MU, and Texas wants to be free of Shaka, it would be in the best interest of all parties to simply negotiate all of the buyouts down to more reasonable levels. Could that be happening how?
Almost anything could be happening. We always want rumors, but hot dang, having an AD and actual process means we arent even getting breadcrumbs!
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Or, it could mean...stay with me here...Shaka isn't even a candidate. I suspect we'll never know.
I'm not saying my scenario is more plausible. More just I wouldn't read too much into what the pundits or rumor mill says. They are part of the game.
Shaka very well may not be a target because of his lack of success at TX.
But, if he is a target, MU needs TX to either remove or pay the $7M dollar buyout. And contrary to the sentiment here on TX boosters having plenty of money, a lot of those people have been tapped for the football buyout and for their new basketball stadium, so not as deep of a pool as needed, and some may prefer to wait a year and bring in a big name new coach to open up the new stadium.
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https://www.pscp.tv/w/cys1qDEzMDY1OTAzfDFsRHhMcGFZRFh6eG0orQzrlW6Z8vojO-fNhmYTp0zMLOd17pztUxRo1nhg1Q==?t=44m2s
They talked MU and Moser. (I wanna say around 37min?
Doug gottlieb was on and Trigger Warning. He kinda goes on a rant about the BEast. But also talks about MUBB great culture and his love for MKE and Mike Deane.
Goodman is firm and believes PM is going to be the next MUBB coach to the point that he’s rubbing his head in disgust when someone disagrees.
Dauster believes moser stays at Loyola.
Deane was trying to bring in Gottlieb as a transfer but the MU administration vetoed that considering the circumstances of his departure from ND.
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Worth mentioning
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1375091434789933061?s=21
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Worth mentioning
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1375091434789933061?s=21
Texas?
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Worth mentioning
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1375091434789933061?s=21
Feels like Texas.
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Worth mentioning
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1375091434789933061?s=21
I can't stand it when media types do this. Either you have the scoop or you don't. Don't dip your toe in the water then tell everyone the next day you jumped in the pool with your clothes on.
No crap the carousel will take a turn in the next day or two. Some coach somewhere is going to be hired.
FWIW, Zags is sometimes around the Knicks program, so this could be Kenny Payne to DePaul (or even Mike Woodson to Indiana).
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If MU wants Shaka, Shaka wants MU, and Texas wants to be free of Shaka, it would be in the best interest of all parties to simply negotiate all of the buyouts down to more reasonable levels. Could that be happening how?
He really does, and he's made that clear over the last few days, from what I have been told.
Still think it's Moser's if he wants it.
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So if Shaka comes to MU will Mrs Shaka be joining him given her disdain for Wisconsin?
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So if Shaka comes to MU will Mrs Shaka be joining him given her disdain for Wisconsin?
My sources tell me that Mrs. Shaka's doctor recently told her she needs more cheese curds in her diet ... so yes!
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I can't stand it when media types do this. Either you have the scoop or you don't. Don't dip your toe in the water then tell everyone the next day you jumped in the pool with your clothes on.
No crap the carousel will take a turn in the next day or two. Some coach somewhere is going to be hired.
FWIW, Zags is sometimes around the Knicks program, so this could be Kenny Payne to DePaul (or even Mike Woodson to Indiana).
No, he’s saying an unannounced opening will drop shortly
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If MU wants Shaka, Shaka wants MU, and Texas wants to be free of Shaka, it would be in the best interest of all parties to simply negotiate all of the buyouts down to more reasonable levels. Could that be happening how?
If you're MU, you are clearly the best Job for Shaka. Shaka won't go to IU. Why would MU negotiate with UT? Unless they are afraid that he wont come here if hes fire there is no reason for MU to spend that amount. Just give Shaka 1/2 of that amount to come to MU
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No, he’s saying an unannounced opening will drop shortly
Gotta think Texas or Maryland right? Beard is out of the tourney, so might get things moving with Texas.
It sort of feels like Shaka won’t be the coach at Texas next year whether he gets MU or not. So Texas is waiting on MU’s decision to see if it’s fire Shaka or waive/negotiate a buyout.
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He really does, and he's made that clear over the last few days, from what I have been told.
Still think it's Moser's if he wants it.
I'm guessing Wojo really would have wanted a high major job close to where he had grown up if one was open last Thursday as well.
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I’d be happy with all 4 mentioned. I think Shaka is my favorite and would have us back to the level we need quicker.
I think Moser might be the best long-term fit, but we’d need some patience with him. He seems to be very deliberate in building his culture, and won’t take shortcuts. In the videos I’ve watched, he talks most about culture and Majerus.
I also think Moser’s style of play is so different from Wojo, it will take time to get his players in. I do think Garcia would be fantastic in the Krutwig role.
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I'm guessing Wojo really would have wanted a high major job close to where he had grown up if one was open last Thursday as well.
Saturday morning 16 and under team needs a coach at the Baltimore Y, hey?
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I’d be happy with all 4 mentioned. I think Shaka is my favorite and would have us back to the level we need quicker.
I think Moser might be the best long-term fit, but we’d need some patience with him. He seems to be very deliberate in building his culture, and won’t take shortcuts. In the videos I’ve watched, he talks most about culture and Majerus.
I also think Moser’s style of play is so different from Wojo, it will take time to get his players in. I do think Garcia would be fantastic in the Krutwig role.
The good news is that if it is one of these two, both coaches recognize the need to add to their staff to fill their blindsides/coaching deficiencies. Which is a lot more than we can say about the previous HC. Really excited to hear some news soon!
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I’d be happy with all 4 mentioned. I think Shaka is my favorite and would have us back to the level we need quicker.
I think Moser might be the best long-term fit, but we’d need some patience with him. He seems to be very deliberate in building his culture, and won’t take shortcuts. In the videos I’ve watched, he talks most about culture and Majerus.
I also think Moser’s style of play is so different from Wojo, it will take time to get his players in. I do think Garcia would be fantastic in the Krutwig role.
I'd agree he would look good there in that role, however I think Garcia is rightfully looking for the best system to showcase himself for the next level. I don't see back to the basket 5 in his NBA Future. He had a pretty good role under Wojo. IMO he will have to showcase he can switch onto 3's as well as do the perimeter offensive stuff he showed this year to have an NBA spot. Doesn't seem to fit or project to the NBA center role right now.
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I’d be happy with all 4 mentioned. I think Shaka is my favorite and would have us back to the level we need quicker.
I think Moser might be the best long-term fit, but we’d need some patience with him. He seems to be very deliberate in building his culture, and won’t take shortcuts. In the videos I’ve watched, he talks most about culture and Majerus.
I also think Moser’s style of play is so different from Wojo, it will take time to get his players in. I do think Garcia would be fantastic in the Krutwig role.
Indeed he would be!
And on the time front, agreed he's more of a slow build, but with the free transfer rule this year could implant some of his current guys (like soph PG Norris) to jump start the process
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I'd agree he would look good there in that role, however I think Garcia is rightfully looking for the best system to showcase himself for the next level. I don't see back to the basket 5 in his NBA Future. He had a pretty good role under Wojo. IMO he will have to showcase he can switch onto 3's as well as do the perimeter offensive stuff he showed this year to have an NBA spot. Doesn't seem to fit or project to the NBA center role right now.
Agreed. DG wants to play at the next level. An old school center is not the role he'd want to showcase if he wants to do that. Garcia projects at a 3-4 in the next level assuming his shot improves and he gets stronger/more explosive.
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Almost anything could be happening. We always want rumors, but hot dang, having an AD and actual process means we arent even getting breadcrumbs!
The MU guy who was the source of all leaks in years past has moved on to a new job. We all truly miss him.
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Love listening to Moser. He exudes confidence and enthusiasm. Will be successful at any basketball stop. For MU, he's just what the doctor ordered. Would love to be at his introductory presser, hey?
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I’d be happy with all 4 mentioned. I think Shaka is my favorite and would have us back to the level we need quicker.
I think Moser might be the best long-term fit, but we’d need some patience with him. He seems to be very deliberate in building his culture, and won’t take shortcuts. In the videos I’ve watched, he talks most about culture and Majerus.
I also think Moser’s style of play is so different from Wojo, it will take time to get his players in. I do think Garcia would be fantastic in the Krutwig role.
Agree that Shaka would probably have us "back at the level we need quicker" but I fear that he would use Marquette as a place to reload and then move on. I think Gates, if successful, would bolt in 3 years. I doubt that Shaka, if successful, would last any longer.
Agree that getting us back to where we need to be would be a longer wait with Moser but Marquette has been embarrassed by Buzz's departure and then, after the Duke Golden Boy failed, we would look like chumps if Gates/Shaka left after 3 years. I simply cannot either one staying much longer than that.
I like Moser for many other reasons but the likelihood of his being a long term coach is high on my list.
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Love listening to Moser. He exudes confidence and enthusiasm. Will be successful at any basketball stop. For MU, he's just what the doctor ordered. Would love to be at his introductory presser, hey?
Hey.
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No, he’s saying an unannounced opening will drop shortly
I completely misinterpreted the tweet ... but my original point still stands. Either report it or don't.
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I completely misinterpreted the tweet ... but my original point still stands. Either report it or don't.
Because reporting something that isn't finalized worked out so well for us last time ::)
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Agree that Shaka would probably have us "back at the level we need quicker" but I fear that he would use Marquette as a place to reload and then move on. I think Gates, if successful, would bolt in 3 years. I doubt that Shaka, if successful, would last any longer.
Agree that getting us back to where we need to be would be a longer wait with Moser but Marquette has been embarrassed by Buzz's departure and then, after the Duke Golden Boy failed, we would look like chumps if Gates/Shaka left after 3 years. I simply cannot either one staying much longer than that.
I like Moser for many other reasons but the likelihood of his being a long term coach is high on my list.
Getting a long term coach is always going to be hard. Few universities ever get this. I think Gates would be the most likely flight risk for FSU.
The "stepping stone" argument for Shaka is largely based on conjecture. He didn't spurn us for a bigger job--he saw a completely unstable athletic department and no university president and said "no thanks." I have turned down a few jobs where the money looked good but the department I was going into had a complete exodus--meaning a lot of uncertainty and instability which doesn't "promote happy" when you have to pick up a lot of pieces.
I think the experience with fans and boosters at Texas combined with our strong basketball resources makes us look super attractive to Shaka for a long run. I prefer Shaka 2020 over Shaka 2014 given that he likely isn't looking for the "next step" now whereas he might have then.
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Getting a long term coach is always going to be hard. Few universities ever get this. I think Gates would be the most likely flight risk for FSU.
The "stepping stone" argument for Shaka is largely based on conjecture. He didn't spurn us for a bigger job--he saw a completely unstable athletic department and no university president and said "no thanks." I have turned down a few jobs where the money looked good but the department I was going into had a complete exodus--meaning a lot of uncertainty and instability which doesn't "promote happy" when you have to pick up a lot of pieces.
I think the experience with fans and boosters at Texas combined with our strong basketball resources makes us look super attractive to Shaka for a long run. I prefer Shaka 2020 over Shaka 2014 given that he likely isn't looking for the "next step" now whereas he might have then.
100% agree
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Agree that Shaka would probably have us "back at the level we need quicker" but I fear that he would use Marquette as a place to reload and then move on. I think Gates, if successful, would bolt in 3 years. I doubt that Shaka, if successful, would last any longer.
Agree that getting us back to where we need to be would be a longer wait with Moser but Marquette has been embarrassed by Buzz's departure and then, after the Duke Golden Boy failed, we would look like chumps if Gates/Shaka left after 3 years. I simply cannot either one staying much longer than that.
I like Moser for many other reasons but the likelihood of his being a long term coach is high on my list.
Maybe I’m naive, but think Shaka would stick around. Crean learned the grass isn’t always greener and I think part of him wishes he never left. I think Shaka saw Texas and a basketball only school in a basketball conference may keep him here.
He’s only 43. I’m sure it’s very unlikely he retires here. But I also don’t think it’s a certainty he’s putting his name out every year.
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Maybe I’m naive, but think Shaka would stick around. Crean learned the grass isn’t always greener and I think part of him wishes he never left. I think Shaka saw Texas and a basketball only school in a basketball conference may keep him here.
He’s only 43. I’m sure it’s very unlikely he retires here. But I also don’t think it’s a certainty he’s putting his name out every year.
I agree with this take
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I think MU was scrambling in this search a bit.
I think the rumors of them talking to Shaka Smart several weeks ago are true. But I think they were part of gauging interest for an opening next year. Likely had similar discussions with Moser/his agent.
I think they were planning on giving Wojo one more year. One last chance to show he had what it takes to win at MU. The plan being that it would reduce the buyout more, and would also reduce/eliminate the buyout for Shaka who was widely rumored to be moving into his last year at TX before their Big12 tournament run.
Essentially, they were lining up their candidates for a hire 1-year out with Shaka at or near the top of that list.
Then, external pressure made them move now. Wojo fired. At that time, Shaka was now rumored to be in line for a possible contract extension. That almost assuredly shuffled candidate rankings/possibilities. Moser would still have been at or near the top of the list, but was still playing in the tournament. So everything on hold, and a bit of a scramble to see who makes sense now on an earlier time table.
Then, Shaka loses to ACU. New scramble, as, like Wojo, the fire Shaka train accelerated greatly at TX. A candidate they thought was off the table, may indeed be very available. But, did some of the luster wear off. Likely, a completely new shuffling of candidates.
All of the uncertainty, likely leaves Moser at the top as his stock was only rising, but likely some internal/external pressure for Shaka, who may have been well liked for the original presumed opening next year. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. Probably an odder behind the scenes search than normal, but with good candidates to choose from.
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Getting a long term coach is always going to be hard. Few universities ever get this. I think Gates would be the most likely flight risk for FSU.
The "stepping stone" argument for Shaka is largely based on conjecture. He didn't spurn us for a bigger job--he saw a completely unstable athletic department and no university president and said "no thanks." I have turned down a few jobs where the money looked good but the department I was going into had a complete exodus--meaning a lot of uncertainty and instability which doesn't "promote happy" when you have to pick up a lot of pieces.
I think the experience with fans and boosters at Texas combined with our strong basketball resources makes us look super attractive to Shaka for a long run. I prefer Shaka 2020 over Shaka 2014 given that he likely isn't looking for the "next step" now whereas he might have then.
Agree with all this. We’re in such a better spot with this opening than we were last time and we have much better candidates to choose from two of which I could see being at MU for a long long time.
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Love listening to Moser. He exudes confidence and enthusiasm. Will be successful at any basketball stop. For MU, he's just what the doctor ordered. Would love to be at his introductory presser, hey?
5pm tonight at the Al?
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Maybe I’m naive, but think Shaka would stick around. Crean learned the grass isn’t always greener and I think part of him wishes he never left. I think Shaka saw Texas and a basketball only school in a basketball conference may keep him here.
He’s only 43. I’m sure it’s very unlikely he retires here. But I also don’t think it’s a certainty he’s putting his name out every year.
With regards to Crean, when I think of him, I think about his 5 different stops at large public universities, often Power 5, that have football. Even while at MUBB, these were also places of interest for him.
Absence can make the heart grow fonder sometimes (and sometimes not) depending on one's situation.
I'm sure Crean has good memories, and he appreciates that he receives some support and is well regarded by some at MUBB. (Not all of course). I'm not sure he has regret leaving MUBB as much as he has not yet had a long term happy success place after, yet.
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Folks talk about "flight risk," and "stepping stone" and loyalty ... but it's a two-way street. How "loyal" was MU to Wojo and Deane and Dukiet?
Some - maybe most (maybe all) - would say, "Too damn loyal," but they still had years on their contracts. And Deane and Wojo even had relative recent (year before) success.
Might Moser or Shaka stick around for awhile? Possibly. But not if they aren't deemed successful enough.
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This is why I’m pro-Shaka. If you go below the surface level of his Texas results, it doesn’t look nearly as bad. Offense is a bit all over the place but defense is solid.
https://twitter.com/lowedownstats/status/1375247711419662336?s=21
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This is why I’m pro-Shaka. If you go below the surface level of his Texas results, it doesn’t look nearly as bad. Offense is a bit all over the place but defense is solid.
https://twitter.com/lowedownstats/status/1375247711419662336?s=21
100%
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Somewhere here Gainey was mentioned. Is he getting a serious look?
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I'm 100% all in on Shaka or Moser, but if the powers that be and bill payers say we can only afford to spend 1.5 or less a season, we'd be looking at a different tier with Gates, possibly Gainey, or some other assistant out there. I mean right now it's just assumed we are going to pay one of those guys, but that's a crap load of money someone (else) has to pay for what is a slightly more calculated roll of the dice.
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Somewhere here Gainey was mentioned. Is he getting a serious look?
The only mention of gainey I could find was. "Gainey and Broeker still follow Dennis Gates on twitter"
so i guess he could stay on staff.
I wouldn't be surprised if he took and assistant job in the ACC/ or a low level HC job in one of the Carolinas
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On the Yahoo Sports College Podcast w/ Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde and Pete Thamel they talked about Moser today. Thamel said he should go to Marquette and the other 2 thought it was outrageous and totally dismissed the idea.
Here’s a direct quote “Other than the fact that you’re going to a conference with multiple bids what’s better at Marquette than what’s at Loyola?”
Don’t listen unless you want to be pissed off. Starts at about the 25min mark.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/yahoo-sports-college-podcast/id1423417914#episodeGuid=90b2be66-dcb7-4aac-8593-c7ec883af854
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Ive always thought Wetzel was a bit of a dunce and Forde is biased from that Indiana/Kentucky region. I’m not to stressed by either of their opinions
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This is why I’m pro-Shaka. If you go below the surface level of his Texas results, it doesn’t look nearly as bad. Offense is a bit all over the place but defense is solid.
https://twitter.com/lowedownstats/status/1375247711419662336?s=21
I find it odd that "going beneath the surface" means just looking at overall offensive & defensive ranking for these guys. Peel it back further to the 4 factors. The only thing Shaka has been consistently pretty good at during his UT trnure is eFG% defense. They don't generate turnovers, and they don't rebound misses. On offense, they generally struggle to score efficiently from the field, don't crash the boards particularly well, and frequently turn the ball over a ton. Does that sound like a program with an identity besides "we recruited a bunch of tall highly ranked guys that makes it modestly difficult to shoot against?" We just fired a guy that had no discernable identity to his teams besides for a few guys that could shoot lights out a few years and did nothing else discernably well.
We can do better.
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I find it odd that "going beneath the surface" means just looking at overall offensive & defensive ranking for these guys. Peel it back further to the 4 factors. The only thing Shaka has been consistently pretty good at during his UT trnure is eFG% defense. They don't generate turnovers, and they don't rebound misses. On offense, they generally struggle to score efficiently from the field, don't crash the boards particularly well, and frequently turn the ball over a ton. Does that sound like a program with an identity besides "we recruited a bunch of tall highly ranked guys that makes it modestly difficult to shoot against?" We just fired a guy that had no discernable identity to his teams besides for a few guys that could shoot lights out a few years and did nothing else discernably well.
We can do better.
Don’t understand the analytics guys’ hate for all things FG%Defense.
Um, KO led the nation in opponents’ eFG% with only one (albeit exceedingly) “tall” guy.
And that Miller/Mac/Key/Eford/Loggermann team was the definition of defensive “identity” !!!!!
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The only thing Shaka has been consistently pretty good at during his UT trnure is eFG% defense.
Rob has something coming you should take a look at. Will likely publish in the next day or two on Cracked Sidewalks.
That said, Shaka's time with Havoc shows he knows how to generate turnovers. He made conscious decisions to change his defense at Texas and despite that remained top-40 every year. And even with defensive success, brought in Luke Yaklich when he was available, widely regarded as the best defensive assistant in the country, so Smart is willing to challenge his own thought processes.
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Let's be honest with ourselves, first. Moser is the hot topic today but he's been at Loyola 10 years and through 2018 there was sub .500 overall and in conference for seven years.
Would we be willing to wait that long for "success" here? Would our leash be as long?
Looking back there was no guarantee in 2017 he'd have the success he's had the last three years. Could we, would we wait with that uncertainty?
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Let's be honest with ourselves, first. Moser is the hot topic today but he's been at Loyola 10 years and through 2018 there was sub .500 overall and in conference for seven years.
Would we be willing to wait that long for "success" here? Would our leash be as long?
Looking back there was no guarantee in 2017 he'd have the success he's had the last three years. Could we, would we wait with that uncertainty?
Of course not. That’s why P6 schools like to hire mid-major coaches. There’s a learning curve to being a head coach. Some figure it out more quickly than others. It seems that in this round of hiring, MU intends to hire someone who appears to have figured it out in someone else’s dime.
Maybe it’ll work...maybe not.
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Let's be honest with ourselves, first. Moser is the hot topic today but he's been at Loyola 10 years and through 2018 there was sub .500 overall and in conference for seven years.
Would we be willing to wait that long for "success" here? Would our leash be as long?
Looking back there was no guarantee in 2017 he'd have the success he's had the last three years. Could we, would we wait with that uncertainty?
Lots of people keep bringing up when "the light bulb comes on" for coaches, especially with Krzyzewski. We waited for seven years with Steve and at the end not only didn't the light bulb come on, it shattered. I think it's safe to say the light bulb came on for Moser three years ago.
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For what it's worth I think the biggest issue was getting the right pieces in place at Loyola. When they won the CBI I was quite impressed by their discipline they just were very clearly not on the high major level talent/experience level.
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I still like Moser best but comments from Brew and TAMU and others have made me open to questions about Moser and also open to Shaka as my close second choice. This is a big change for me. There is a strong case for Gates but to me, Marquette desperately needs at least a 5 year coach (assuming he is successful) and I see Gates as a three-and-flee coach. That would be really bad for MU. I think FSU would be watching closely and waiting. I think Shaka is ready for a rebuild of his rep as well as Marquette's.
As I mentioned in other threads, I lived in Richmond for 28 years and saw first hand the Shaka mania sweep the city. He loved the attention. The very loud crowd and band, the excitement at home games- what's not to like? An energized crowd may be good for at least one more W each season. If Shaka had decided to leave coaching and run for the Richmond area's seat in Congress, he would have won in a landslide.
I doubt that he would want to risk being at what amounts to as a midwestern version of Texas sports mania- Indiana- and be run out of town at the end of the first bad season. Marquette is a much better atmosphere for a coach and gives them a fairly long leash. I still prefer Moser and, of course, would certainly support Gates and hope that I am wrong about him should he be the one.
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bring in mike rhodes and show shaka(wife) the finger
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bring in mike rhodes and show shaka(wife) the finger
huh?
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bring in mike rhodes and show shaka(wife) the finger
This is dumb. Why are you acting like some jilted lover over a coach that turned us down because our AD and Prez situation was a dumpster fire.
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huh?
Jimmy John's sighting on campus?
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This is why I’m pro-Shaka. If you go below the surface level of his Texas results, it doesn’t look nearly as bad. Offense is a bit all over the place but defense is solid.
https://twitter.com/lowedownstats/status/1375247711419662336?s=21
Good statistical rankings are nice...but if they don't translate to NCAA Tournament wins, they're just a bunch of numbers.
Give me the guy who wins in March.
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Good statistical rankings are nice...but if they don't translate to NCAA Tournament wins, they're just a bunch of numbers.
Give me the guy who wins in March.
Shaka has a Final Four and 7 NCAA wins. Yes, he has lost his last 5 NCAA Tournament games, that is true. But he's lost them by a combined 13 points and 3 of them in overtime. Honestly, the ONLY reason we are able to discuss a coach with Smart's track record of success both on the court and on the recruiting trail is because of 5 bounces that went against him. At UT, he lost on a half-court buzzer beater, as an underdog in overtime after having a double-digit lead, and on free throws with 1 second left.
At the moment, he has more NCAA wins than Moser and his 5 losses are by a near identical combined margin (13) to Moser's career NCAA loss margin (12).
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Shaka has a Final Four and 7 NCAA wins. Yes, he has lost his last 5 NCAA Tournament games, that is true. But he's lost them by a combined 13 points and 3 of them in overtime. Honestly, the ONLY reason we are able to discuss a coach with Smart's track record of success both on the court and on the recruiting trail is because of 5 bounces that went against him. At UT, he lost on a half-court buzzer beater, as an underdog in overtime after having a double-digit lead, and on free throws with 1 second left.
At the moment, he has more NCAA wins than Moser and his 5 losses are by a near identical combined margin (13) to Moser's career NCAA loss margin (12).
He only has more NCAA wins because the play in game. Which a lot of people don't consider to be "in the tournament"
I'm not arguing margins or anything but you can't tell me Shaka's final four is more impactful to his record because he had a play in game win too.
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Rob has something coming you should take a look at. Will likely publish in the next day or two on Cracked Sidewalks.
That said, Shaka's time with Havoc shows he knows how to generate turnovers. He made conscious decisions to change his defense at Texas and despite that remained top-40 every year. And even with defensive success, brought in Luke Yaklich when he was available, widely regarded as the best defensive assistant in the country, so Smart is willing to challenge his own thought processes.
Was bringing in Rob Judson evidence that Wojo was willing to challenge his own thought process as well? And what changes in defensive style/process/results did bringing in Yaklich 2 years ago have for Texas on the court?
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Was bringing in Rob Judson evidence that Wojo was willing to challenge his own thought process as well? And what changes in defensive style/process/results did bringing in Yaklich 2 years ago have for Texas on the court?
Considering Judson isn't an actual assistant, I'm skeptical Wojo was challenging his own thought process. Especially since we know he was fired for refusing to shake up his staff. In Yaklich's one year they didn't see a huge turnaround (#26 to #24 in defensive efficiency) but it's that he's showing he isn't afraid to bring in someone like that, especially with where Yaklich's reputation was at the time. I have more respect for someone who is really good at something (Smart with defense) bringing in someone else who shares that strength because it seems that is exactly what Scholl was looking for in Wojo and didn't find.
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https://twitter.com/acny2la/status/1375459127812558852?s=21
“Very strong rumors out there that Shaka Smart is the guy at Marquette - take it as speculation and rumor but as of last night word on the street is signs pointing in that direction...”
First at least semi-respectable account sharing these rumors.
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https://twitter.com/acny2la/status/1375459127812558852?s=21
“Very strong rumors out there that Shaka Smart is the guy at Marquette - take it as speculation and rumor but as of last night word on the street is signs pointing in that direction...”
First at least semi-respectable account sharing these rumors.
This is a classic "no wrong decision" scenario if we land one of the names feverishly discussed here, Shaka being one of them.
If he's the guy I can't say I'm looking forward to a new thread every time Moser posts a W or lands a top 150 recruit......god forbid we're on the bubble while he's #1 in the MVC.
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This is a classic "no wrong decision" scenario if we land one of the names feverishly discussed here, Shaka being one of them.
If he's the guy I can't say I'm looking forward to a new thread every time Moser posts a W or lands a top 150 recruit......god forbid we're on the bubble while he's #1 in the MVC.
This will 100% happen, in fact any way you cut it somebody's going to be weirdly obsessed with the other options and what could have been.
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Considering Judson isn't an actual assistant, I'm skeptical Wojo was challenging his own thought process. Especially since we know he was fired for refusing to shake up his staff. In Yaklich's one year they didn't see a huge turnaround (#26 to #24 in defensive efficiency) but it's that he's showing he isn't afraid to bring in someone like that, especially with where Yaklich's reputation was at the time. I have more respect for someone who is really good at something (Smart with defense) bringing in someone else who shares that strength because it seems that is exactly what Scholl was looking for in Wojo and didn't find.
Scholl was looking for Wojo to bring in someone else who shared his strengths? Legitimately somewhat confused.
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Scholl was looking for Wojo to bring in someone else who shared his strengths? Legitimately somewhat confused.
That would imply there were strengths in wojo's game coaching...which there weren't.
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If he's the guy I can't say I'm looking forward to a new thread every time Moser posts a W or lands a top 150 recruit......god forbid we're on the bubble while he's #1 in the MVC.
Considering that’s literally never happened at Loyola, even after the FF, I’m not so worried about that one 8-)
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Considering Judson isn't an actual assistant, I'm skeptical Wojo was challenging his own thought process. Especially since we know he was fired for refusing to shake up his staff. In Yaklich's one year they didn't see a huge turnaround (#26 to #24 in defensive efficiency) but it's that he's showing he isn't afraid to bring in someone like that, especially with where Yaklich's reputation was at the time. I have more respect for someone who is really good at something (Smart with defense) bringing in someone else who shares that strength because it seems that is exactly what Scholl was looking for in Wojo and didn't find.
I think a better example with Shaka is hiring Nevada Smith to be the DOPD. He was regarded as one of the top offensive coaches in G League. Offense went from 153 in KenPom to 30.
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I love KenPom as much as the next guy, but the stat-humpers on here are making me want to cancel my KP subscription hahaha. Basketball is way WAY more than just some numbers on a sheet.
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Shaka Smart. who saw that coming