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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MARQUETTE185 on March 16, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
Zero percent chance
Close the thread
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Nice thread.
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Gard will be fired long before Wojo, but thanks for asking.
You created an account 15 minutes ago to ask that? Moron...
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
0.0%
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With the team he's been working to build finally ready. And 2 20 win season plus a 19 win season I'd say it's more likely he gets a small raise than he gets fired
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
#bandisguy
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
Thanks for your thoughtful post. The probability is zero.
Do you have a different view?
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0% but they better make the tournament next year.
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I predict that Wojo's future is better than the OP's.
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0% but they better make the tournament next year.
Chances of Wojo getting fired next year with a year similar to this: 0.0%
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Maybe ask Tony Bennett how he feels about now.....
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FIRST TIME POSTER SO PLEASE BE EASY ON ME
What's the likelyhood Coach Wojo gets fired after the NIT?
Don't worry buddy.......Welcome to your first post. Wojo not getting fired. As for the absolute no talent clowns on this board..........Pay them no attention. The entire lot of them has played a total of 0 minutes of real basketball.
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Don't worry buddy.......Welcome to your first post. Wojo not getting fired. As for the absolute no talent clowns on this board..........Pay them no attention. The entire lot of them has played a total of 0 minutes of real basketball.
So how many points are you giving Ners in driveway hoops grudge match?
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So how many points are you giving Ners in driveway hoops grudge match?
I remember you.........You were the guy at the rec center who wouldn't play shirts and skins because you had tits. Congrats
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jonny and Ners ... they make such a lovely couple.
As for the OP ... Bennett's No. 1 overall team is losing an NCAA tournament game by 20 points to the 16th seed. He deserves to be fired more.
(Not really. But as long as we're gonna engage in crazy talk ... )
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Don't worry buddy.......Welcome to your first post. Wojo not getting fired. As for the absolute no talent clowns on this board..........Pay them no attention. The entire lot of them has played a total of 0 minutes of real basketball.
I remember you.........You were the guy at the rec center who wouldn't play shirts and skins because you had tits. Congrats
Question, is playing shirts and skins at the rec center considered "playing real basketball?" Want to make sure I understand the rules. I was lightening champion of the Marquette basketball camp when I was 8. How about that?
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Chances of Wojo getting fired next year with a year similar to this: 0.0%
If they miss the tourney, I hope you're wrong about this.
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I was lightening champion of the Marquette basketball camp when I was 8. How about that?
Must have been before the Riley Crean win everything era.
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Must have been before the Riley Crean win everything era.
Was thinking the same thing hahaha.
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If they miss the tourney, I hope you're wrong about this.
Oh his seat will be warm, but fired after next year with a year similar to this one? Not a chance.
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Chances of Wojo getting fired next year with a year similar to this: 0.0%
Yup. All the gurus have spoken. We should just shut up and be gleeful to accept bottom tier BEAST standing and not getting Dance invite, because Wojo does great powerpoint. That is the conventional wisdom hete, shut up and swallow theediocrity. After all, DePaul and St. Johns losses and the stink win against Harvard are just outliers. So shut up and throw Hossa Nas Wojos way for it is the season of Easter.
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Wojo is safe. Thanks for asking. Why ban him? At least wait until his second post.
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So many personalities stuffed inside one melon.
Wow. ::)
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what an inauguration to "scoop, eyn'er hey? umm, welcome to the "message board".
now, to answer your question-wojo's chit ain't on wheels and did you see what happened to univ. of pitt after they let stallings go? they lost 8 players. makes one wonder who wants to walk into that quagmire ;D
wojo will enjoy an off season looking an assistant defensive specialist coach with a navy seal background
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What a stupid thread to start! Great way to start off on a message board. Embarrassing.
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What a stupid thread to start! Great way to start off on a message board. Embarrassing.
It's not their first time.
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With the team he's been working to build finally ready. And 2 20 win season plus a 19 win season I'd say it's more likely he gets a small raise than he gets fired
Yup, except it should be a hefty raise for failing to make the dance.
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Maybe ask Tony Bennett how he feels about now.....
he is still looking for his heart in San Francisco.
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The thing is, if he does get fired this year or next please see: basketball, Pittsburgh 2018.
MU would likely lose half if not more of their team (because word is the players are VERY loyal to wojo), so you would be looking at ooooh another 4-5 years of rebuilding.
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Question, is playing shirts and skins at the rec center considered "playing real basketball?" Want to make sure I understand the rules. I was lightening champion of the Marquette basketball camp when I was 8. How about that?
Don't try to understnd the rules here, TAMU.
First rule is "There ain't no rules" Second rule is, rules change to fit each posters perspective, but above all else, the cardinal rule is "Cut Wojo all the slack he needs", Meaning, "Any excuse is a good and valid one."
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The thing is, if he does get fired this year or next please see: basketball, Pittsburgh 2018.
MU would likely lose half if not more of their team (because word is the players are VERY loyal to wojo), so you would be looking at ooooh another 4-5 years of rebuilding.
Yup, thats the old rational spirit, "Can't do anything about Wojo and accountability, because the players will revolt."
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Oh his seat will be warm, but fired after next year with a year similar to this one? Not a chance.
Interesting. So with so much expectation with all the talent for next year and we finish 19-13 in year five and you think he has no chance to be let go? I would be very disappointed if that is acceptable. Five years and no NCAA wins? that is pretty dismal in my book.
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Yup, thats the old rational spirit, "Can't do anything about Wojo and accountability, because the players will revolt."
I'm not saying that you shouldn't fire someone because of players revolting.
What I meant I guess is that at this point in the rebuild, if you fire a HC, you're looking at another 5 years of rebuild. (Doesn't matter if it is wojo, or any other coach trying to rebuild right now).
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Marquette is in a good position to return to the news worthy tier of college basketball. Not wise to uproot it now.
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The thing is, if he does get fired this year or next please see: basketball, Pittsburgh 2018.
MU would likely lose half if not more of their team (because word is the players are VERY loyal to wojo), so you would be looking at ooooh another 4-5 years of rebuilding.
Let's keep in mind here that what's going on at Pitt is much more the exception than the norm. There is usually a couple transfers with coaching changes, but 8 guys leaving is not normal.
I don't think Wojo should be fired now but I don't think the reason for keeping him should be, well if we fire him the whole team will transfer like Pitt.
Probably all depends on the new coach that's hired. Look at Holtmann in his first year at OSU. Imagine if people were worried about canning Matta because players might transfer.
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Probably all depends on the new coach that's hired. Look at Holtmann in his first year at OSU. Imagine if people were worried about canning Matta because players might transfer.
I think it depends on the relationship the coach has with the players. In Matta's case, 7 players had left in two years before he left the program. People in Columbus were worried that more players would transfer unless Matta were fired.
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After all, DePaul and St. Johns losses and the stink win against Harvard are just outliers.
Wright probably feeling the heat, after all he was the one that gave St John's their first BEAST win of the season.... that's INEXCUSABLE!!! :o
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I don't think you keep a bad coach because players might leave.
I think the situation involving the players is one of many factors any intelligent, thorough college president/AD should consider when deciding to make a change.
We are fans, and we desperately want to win - some more desperate than others, some who think they know more than others how to get it done, some significantly more patient than others, etc.
The people who actually make these decisions have a TON to consider, including how the coach in place reflects the values of the university, financial cost to dump the coach and bring in a theoretically better one, and most importantly (in my view) trajectory of the program.
I happen to think we are trending up, and I am very excited about the next two years. I wouldn't even consider firing Wojo now. If we have the exact same kind of season in 2018-19, including a tourney miss ... well yeah, I'd at least have to consider making a change.
But I'd have to take the totality of any decision into account.
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Wojo will be fine. He is building a program the way he and the university thinks it should be built - and the average rebuild is 5 years, so let’s see how we do next year, if we snag a point guard, who might leave and what he does with schollies.
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If MU goes 0-18 in the Big East next year Wojo will get fired. I guaranty it! I'll bet any amount of money on that fact.
If the players wanted to transfer if Wojo was fired, so be it. I'd guess many of them would want to leave a team that went 0-18 whether the coach was coming back or not. 0-18 would cause major chaos.
The reality is MU is not going 0-18 in the BE next year like Pitt did the ACC year. The situations are apples and oranges.
Wojo's seat will be ice cold until the day he is fired. MU will make the change because the believe/know Wojo can not do the job. They will not act like scared little girls and never make a change because "there is no one as good as Wojo" to take millions of dollars from MU to coach basketball. Nor will MU be held hostage by a couple of student athletes, that have a few years of eligibility left at MU, and not make a coaching change because they may or may not transfer out.
I think Wojo will be a success at MU and next year will be a great year but I think the only thing that we can say for certain here on the MU fan board is that Wojo is one year closer to the end of his contract and there is no contract extension forthcoming. This means he is recruiting and bring in kids that he has not guaranty of being the coach of when they graduate. (I guess that tells us the level of confidence the admin has for Wojo)
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Why is everyone's fear that kids will transfer out? Kids will always transfer out as a result of a coaching change but to justify that as a reason to NOT fire and underperforming coach is saying that you are OK with being a bubble team forever just because you don't want to go into a rebuild.
I'm not actively in the fire Wojo or don't fire Wojo camp (although I don't think he has shown much as a coach versus recruiter) but the sooner we enter another rebuild, the sooner we actually get the product MU deserves. I don't see Wojo coaching a team consistently in the Top 25.
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I'm not saying that you shouldn't fire someone because of players revolting.
What I meant I guess is that at this point in the rebuild, if you fire a HC, you're looking at another 5 years of rebuild. (Doesn't matter if it is wojo, or any other coach trying to rebuild right now).
It appears we have been rebuilding since Al retired, possibly with the exception of Crean, who lasted about 9-10 years, before I4$, which, for him was the right move(so he thought)
I hope Wojo finally meets expectations next year, which better be really, really good, and then carry that forward consistently, but have not seen it yet in 4 years. Others seem to be drunk on the Wojo Kool Aid.
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Why is everyone's fear that kids will transfer out? Kids will always transfer out as a result of a coaching change but to justify that as a reason to NOT fire and underperforming coach is saying that you are OK with being a bubble team forever just because you don't want to go into a rebuild.
I'm not actively in the fire Wojo or don't fire Wojo camp (although I don't think he has shown much as a coach versus recruiter) but the sooner we enter another rebuild, the sooner we actually get the product MU deserves. I don't see Wojo coaching a team consistently in the Top 25.
It is not only that they transfer out, it takes years to get kids back in at the level you need. The clock resets every time this is done except for those rare occasions where kids stay. Then you factor in that MU has had a terrible history of landing anyone established makes it more difficult.
We have on senior on this year's team and only one senior on next year's team. Do you guys not remember O'Neill's year with the four freshmen? They didn't make the tournament until year 3. Experience matters
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Good to see we are respectful of other points of view?
I have no idea what is going to happen with this team next year. It is far too early for me to tell. What the administration will do if it is another season like this adds a whole other dimension. My sense is they will do nothing unless the wheels come completely off. There is much to like about Wojo including a good image, good role model and showing class by actions such as thanking the LAX team for their support and buying tickets for students.
Now is he a good coach? You need to draw your own conclusions. It is a very emotional topic with experienced basketball fans coming out with different opinions. I expect there are no words that will change anyone's opinion on this topic. So be patient, next year is not that far away and then with luck hopefully we will not need to revisit this topic.
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This fear of players transferring is being taken a little too far. If Wojo can't get us in the tourney next year with 5 Juniors (assuming Harry stays), I would have little to no confidence that he could get us in with 5 Seniors. If we miss the tourney next year, Wojo should absolutely be gone, and any players that leave is just a situation that we'd have to deal with, because if he can't get us in, next year, it would truly take Duke or Kentucky like talent to make us a second weekend team.
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Anyone else get this visual of WW when he reads any post that suggests Wojo may last beyond next season?
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Wee Willie windbag whines when wondering about Wojo.
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It is not only that they transfer out, it takes years to get kids back in at the level you need. The clock resets every time this is done except for those rare occasions where kids stay. Then you factor in that MU has had a terrible history of landing anyone established makes it more difficult.
We have on senior on this year's team and only one senior on next year's team. Do you guys not remember O'Neill's year with the four freshmen? They didn't make the tournament until year 3. Experience matters
Texas and Mississippi State (along with Duke and Kentucky but albeit different cases) have younger teams than Marquette. We returned five players who started last season (one transferred mid-season, replaced by a red shirt sophomore with three years in Wojo's system now). Wojo is sensitive about it, but that is why many loyal fans don't like that reasoning and see it as an excuse.
The reality is, four years in, MU's major issue is the lack of experienced (including physical) depth and roster balance. This was a result of an inexperienced head coach going about a rebuild (versus these others who all had been head coaches before with rebuild experience) and a new administration who wanted a program reset (mainly).
Fact is, Wojo has got to the NCAAs last year with Buzz's recruits and short-term fixes. This is why I have said for a long time that this season is about next season--and we are in Year 2 of the Wojo rebuild. Roster balance and depth are not problems next season...and hopefully coach experience is not either. I am cautiously optimistic.
Btw, I think Howland has had the toughest rebuild and has done the best job to date.
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Wee Willie windbag whines when wondering about Wojo.
Tower tanks terribly time after time twisting his turkey thoughts to try to be tremendous
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Meh. Decent try.
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Meh. Decent try.
But better than any of your inane illiteration.
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Okay, posters 'in the know' on this board say if MU has season like this one next year there 0% chance he is fired. Others 'in the know' say he is 100% gone. I say no one here knows because this is just a place for great MU fans to share their passion.
Here is what we do know about Wojo at the end of next year: he will have less time guaranteed left at MU then his incoming freshmen class. That is not 'in the know' info, that is a fact.
Regardless what any of us think about Wojo future, this issue is going to come to a head. Not even the most pro-Wojo supporter could justify an extension at this point but you'd have to think Wojo is going to want some sort of job security(for recruiting, etc.) at some point also.
The fact that MU is letting Wojo continue as HC but with no extension shown what they think of him; they like him, they don't love him.
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I remember you.........You were the guy at the rec center who wouldn't play shirts and skins because you had tits. Congrats
I definitely "had tits" at MU, but not quite in the way you are thinking.
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Props to the OP. One post and he sent this thread spinning... Almost like it was planned...
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Will he have a second post? Meh. Same debate, different thread.
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Yup. All the gurus have spoken. We should just shut up and be gleeful to accept bottom tier BEAST standing and not getting Dance invite, because Wojo does great powerpoint. That is the conventional wisdom hete, shut up and swallow theediocrity. After all, DePaul and St. Johns losses and the stink win against Harvard are just outliers. So shut up and throw Hossa Nas Wojos way for it is the season of Easter.
I never said he should shut up. I simply answered his question.
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I never said he should shut up. I simply answered his question.
Did not say it was you Sultan. But the poor guy asks a question and at least two posters called him a moron and stupid. That attitude is the sentiment of quite a few of the conventional wisdom crowd here if a concern/post/opinion runs contrary to the opinions of the Wojo Kool Aiders on this board.
At any rate, I hope Wojo figures it out and soon, because patience is running out. Next year must be fantastic, or the excuse makers will have to dream up new ones.
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But the poor guy asks a question
Well, it was a stupid question. One that reading a couple posts here would have answered. Or you could google "is wojo on the hot seat" and get plenty of good answers too.
And he's not a poor guy, he's here to incite.
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Did not say it was you Sultan.
Then why did you quote me in your post?
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Don't worry buddy.......Welcome to your first post. Wojo not getting fired. As for the absolute no talent clowns on this board..........Pay them no attention. The entire lot of them has played a total of 0 minutes of real basketball.
Could you dunk?
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Then why did you quote me in your post?
Gawd, aren't we sensitive today. OK, no reason. I just inputted after your post because everyting as usual is that Wojo will be here for life. I sure hope so. And now Rocky says the guy is not a "poor guy". he is here to incite. How he knows that I have no way of knowing, but I will take his word for it, because after all, everyting you read on the internet is true.
Having said that here is how I feel after your question and Rocky's comment:
~~~Pretend my post came after somebody else, and not you, because it could have been inserted anywhere
~~~The guy is not a "poor guy". It was a stupid question, because Wojo will be here for life, and we all want that. And like others said, the guy must be stupid and a moron
My apologies to all I have offended, except the inciter.
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Maybe you could use a nap Mazos
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Wee Willie windbag whines when wondering about Wojo.
Great to have differing opinions but personal attacks because you disagree With someone? Doubt Wojo would support that.
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Gawd, aren't we sensitive today. OK, no reason. I just inputted after your post because everyting as usual is that Wojo will be here for life. I sure hope so. And now Rocky says the guy is not a "poor guy". he is here to incite. How he knows that I have no way of knowing, but I will take his word for it, because after all, everyting you read on the internet is true.
Having said that here is how I feel after your question and Rocky's comment:
~~~Pretend my post came after somebody else, and not you, because it could have been inserted anywhere
~~~The guy is not a "poor guy". It was a stupid question, because Wojo will be here for life, and we all want that. And like others said, the guy must be stupid and a moron
My apologies to all I have offended, except the inciter.
Lol
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What a stupid thread to start! Great way to start off on a message board. Embarrassing.
i guess there is such a thing as a "stupid" question after all
-maybe kinda weird to start a topic with it, but we've got 3 pages of "interested" people wanting to pump their numbers, eyn'er?
careful wojo, sean miller may be out job hunting very soon
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Props to the OP. One post and he sent this thread spinning... Almost like it was planned...
No kidding, it’s like fishing the trout pond at the sports show...too easy.
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I definitely "had tits" at MU, but not quite in the way you are thinking.
Inverted nipples?
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Wojo is safe. Thanks for asking. Why ban him? At least wait until his second post.
Pretty sure it takes 5 posts to judge.
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Inverted nipples?
It would be against HPPIAA rules to post.
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This should settle things once and for all:
https://twitter.com/PresLovell/status/976278022809628672
Let's wait at least 6-8 months before we revisit this topic, shall we?
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I actually clicked on that link and all the comments reminded me how horrible twitter is.
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I actually clicked on that link and all the comments reminded me how horrible twitter is.
You got that right.
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Don't worry buddy.......Welcome to your first post. Wojo not getting fired. As for the absolute no talent clowns on this board..........Pay them no attention. The entire lot of them has played a total of 0 minutes of real basketball.
As a guy who played college basketball over in the naia I resent you sir
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This should settle things once and for all:
https://twitter.com/PresLovell/status/976278022809628672
Let's wait at least 6-8 months before we revisit this topic, shall we?
Nice vote of confidence/reassurance to Wojo from Lovell. Suspect Lovell picked up on Wojo's thin skin and wanted to give him a pat on the back.
I sure hope our standard of a "great season" hasn't sunk to the level of 3rd Round NIT defeat. If that is the case, perhaps Goose was right, and admin wants our program to be SLU?
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Nice vote of confidence/reassurance to Wojo from Lovell. Suspect Lovell picked up on Wojo's thin skin and wanted to give him a pat on the back.
I sure hope our standard of a "great season" hasn't sunk to the level of 3rd Round NIT defeat. If that is the case, perhaps Goose was right, and admin wants our program to be SLU?
What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
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What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
Well considering we were near the very top of the 16-team Big East under Crean and Buzz, I don't think it is too much to ask that we be in the Top 4 now, along with Nova, GTown, Xavier. I put GTown there as they are a program rich in history...and will have appeal to recruits. Ewing turned in a decent first year.
By the way, you never had any feedback for me on the "interesting" 3-point shooting stats I mentioned. What happened?
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Well considering we were near the very top of the 16-team Big East under Crean and Buzz, I don't think it is too much to ask that we be in the Top 4 now, along with Nova, GTown, Xavier. I put GTown there as they are a program rich in history...and will have appeal to recruits. Ewing turned in a decent first year.
By the way, you never had any feedback for me on the "interesting" 3-point shooting stats I mentioned. What happened?
What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
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What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
Xavier
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If Lovell felt this was a great season, either he has little interest in being a big time program or he has too much Panther blood in him. In today's twitter world I would have expected a similar type tweet from MU. IMO, I hope it is simply window dressing and not what the expectations from the university are for the program.
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If Lovell felt this was a great season, either he has little interest in being a big time program or he has too much Panther blood in him. In today's twitter world I would have expected a similar type tweet from MU. IMO, I hope it is simply window dressing and not what the expectations from the university are for the program.
Hopefully that's Pitt and not UWM
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It would be against HPPIAA rules to post.
Score
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Nice vote of confidence/reassurance to Wojo from Lovell. Suspect Lovell picked up on Wojo's thin skin and wanted to give him a pat on the back.
I sure hope our standard of a "great season" hasn't sunk to the level of 3rd Round NIT defeat. If that is the case, perhaps Goose was right, and admin wants our program to be SLU?
Yeah... I think most university presidents tweet that about their main moneymaking sport regardless of outcome. I think it has zero to do with the perceived thickness of Wojos skin
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Suspect Lovell picked up on Wojo's thin skin and wanted to give him a pat on the back.
That's pretty cynical of you to assume that. He was at the game; perhaps he just wanted to congratulate Wojo.
Have you ever read any of Dr. Lovell's other tweets? If what you are saying is true, he must have the most thin-skinned faculty, staff and student body of any university in the U.S.
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What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
Nova on steroids
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If Lovell felt this was a great season, either he has little interest in being a big time program or he has too much Panther blood in him. In today's twitter world I would have expected a similar type tweet from MU. IMO, I hope it is simply window dressing and not what the expectations from the university are for the program.
Expectations for program? Not even close.
Expectations for this individual season? About right on target
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Lovell is far better tweeter than public speaker. Maybe he can tweet at graduation.
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Xavier
It's a pretty good choice.
1. Has made the NCAA every year even though they're more likely to finish at or around .500 in conference (like MU has last three years) than they are near the top.
2. Current regular season champions.
3. Do better in MSG when they are .500 in conference then when they win 14 or 15 games. Made the Semi five times and have failed to advance four times.
4. And they don't make it out of the first weekend in the NCAA Tournament when either a 2 seed or a 1 seed.
In sum, if Marquette was an average team that snuck out an Elite Eight but failed badly in the NCAA as a high seed and threw in a regular season championship over the next five years it would be a success. I am skeptical it would be seen that way as it all transpired.
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TAMU
I was somewhat teasing. I believe he would love to have a top level program. I would love to be a toned, world class triathlete, but my 45 minutes (daily, I might add) on the treadmill has not proven to get me to my goal.
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Well considering we were near the very top of the 16-team Big East under Crean and Buzz, I don't think it is too much to ask that we be in the Top 4 now, along with Nova, GTown, Xavier. I put GTown there as they are a program rich in history...and will have appeal to recruits. Ewing turned in a decent first year.
By the way, you never had any feedback for me on the "interesting" 3-point shooting stats I mentioned. What happened?
Do you consider Wojo's first year decent?
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That's pretty cynical of you to assume that. He was at the game; perhaps he just wanted to congratulate Wojo.
Have you ever read any of Dr. Lovell's other tweets? If what you are saying is true, he must have the most thin-skinned faculty, staff and student body of any university in the U.S.
I haven't seen other tweets of Lovell's. I do feel to label this season as "great," is a stretch. I would say it was entertaining and fun, which has good value, yet we underachieved given the sublimely talented Markus, Andrew and Sam. Wojo as a coach gets an A for getting those guys to MU, but the inability to strategically coach them to an NCAA berth IMO is worthy of a D. Net grade for season: C (not exactly "great.")
As for Wojo's thin skin - Between the snarky reaction to student reporter politely asking him where he could improve as a coach, the press conference stating that only the "real" MU fans come to NIT game, and to reference "people don't like me using that word - young," all point toward Steve feeling a bit sensitive.
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Do you consider Wojo's first year decent?
No. Don't recall us finishing 5-13 in conference, with 2 defeats coming in double OT, and 2 more defeats coming in OT. We were 4-14 with 2 OT games.
GTown was thought to be a dumpster fire this year. Went to OT with Syracuse. They went to OT against Butler and Xavier. Took us to OT. Actually beat Butler this year, which qualifies as a better win than we achieved this year per Pomeroy.
So. All in all. A "decent" first year by Ewing benchmarked against expectations and Year 1 under Wojo.
What's your best guess as to where GTown will be in Year 4 of the Ewing regime?
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No. Don't recall us finishing 5-13 in conference, with 2 defeats coming in double OT, and 2 more defeats coming in OT. We were 4-14 with 2 OT games.
GTown was thought to be a dumpster fire this year. Went to OT with Syracuse. They went to OT against Butler and Xavier. Took us to OT. Actually beat Butler this year, which qualifies as a better win than we achieved this year per Pomeroy.
So. All in all. A "decent" first year by Ewing benchmarked against expectations and Year 1 under Wojo.
What's your best guess as to where GTown will be in Year 4 of the Ewing regime?
Aren't you all about KenPom? Cause Wojos first season had a better KenPom then Ewings
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I haven't seen other tweets of Lovell's. I do feel to label this season as "great," is a stretch. I would say it was entertaining and fun, which has good value, yet we underachieved given the sublimely talented Markus, Andrew and Sam. Wojo as a coach gets an A for getting those guys to MU, but the inability to strategically coach them to an NCAA berth IMO is worthy of a D. Net grade for season: C (not exactly "great.")
As for Wojo's thin skin - Between the snarky reaction to student reporter politely asking him where he could improve as a coach, the press conference stating that only the "real" MU fans come to NIT game, and to reference "people don't like me using that word - young," all point toward Steve feeling a bit sensitive.
Aren't you all about KenPom? Cause we finished exactly where he said we would. So how did we underachieve?
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Aren't you all about KenPom? Cause we finished exactly where he said we would. So how did we underachieve?
True. Ken Pom did predict us in 50s to start season. Guess where I feel we underachieved - we were sublime offensively. One of only 5 high major teams to be Top 20 in 3pt Shooting % AND Top 100 in 3 Point Attempts - the others being Purdue, Nova, Kansas, Michigan State, and we pale in comparison. eFG% reigns supreme, right?
I know you are all over 7 seed for next year...Want to wager we don't finish in Top 28 Pomeroy next season?
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I haven't seen other tweets of Lovell's. I do feel to label this season as "great," is a stretch. I would say it was entertaining and fun, which has good value, yet we underachieved given the sublimely talented Markus, Andrew and Sam. Wojo as a coach gets an A for getting those guys to MU, but the inability to strategically coach them to an NCAA berth IMO is worthy of a D. Net grade for season: C (not exactly "great.")
As for Wojo's thin skin - Between the snarky reaction to student reporter politely asking him where he could improve as a coach, the press conference stating that only the "real" MU fans come to NIT game, and to reference "people don't like me using that word - young," all point toward Steve feeling a bit sensitive.
He was an assistant associate head coach at Duke University from a young man up until he was a slightly-older young man. He's probably got a bit of an ego. Which sucks because, contrary to what he might believe, he hasn't done anything yet that is deserving of having one.
This is part of the growing pains of having such a young, inexperienced head coach. He hasn't really had the chance to be humbled yet.
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Aren't you all about KenPom? Cause we finished exactly where he said we would. So how did we underachieve?
Because truth be told nowdays it isn't that hard to get into the NCAA tournament. Looking strictly at the Big East...to me, Butler overachieved, Creighton certainly overachieved, I'd even argue Providence overachieved. Yet MU just "achieved". To me, that is underachieving, regardless of where they were projected to finish. Point is, if other teams in the same conference can overachieve, why can't MU??
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True. Ken Pom did predict us in 50s to start season. Guess where I feel we underachieved - we were sublime offensively. One of only 5 high major teams to be Top 20 in 3pt Shooting % AND Top 100 in 3 Point Attempts - the others being Purdue, Nova, Kansas, Michigan State, and we pale in comparison. eFG% reigns supreme, right?
I know you are all over 7 seed for next year...Want to wager we don't finish in Top 28 Pomeroy next season?
Got it, we didn't underachieve, we met expectations. You just don't like how we met expectations. And eFG% reigns supreme doesn't mean if you shoot a high eFG% you win. It means if your eFG% difference is higher you win (most of the time). We were elite on one end and dreadful on the other.
And sure, you have a theoretical wager on next season. Feel free to bookmark this page and you can rub it in my face if I end up being wrong. But I will take the win with either a top 28 kenpom ranking or a top 7 seed.
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Because truth be told nowdays it isn't that hard to get into the NCAA tournament. Looking strictly at the Big East...to me, Butler overachieved, Creighton certainly overachieved, I'd even argue Providence overachieved. Yet MU just "achieved". To me, that is underachieving, regardless of where they were projected to finish. Point is, if other teams in the same conference can overachieve, why can't MU??
I don't have a KenPom subscription, but I'm pretty sure that Butler, Creighton, and Providence were all projected to go into the NCAA tournament preseason. If you go by KenPom, Providence actually massively underachieved. They were rated in the 70s by KenPom, one of the lowest in history for an at large team.
The reality is, we ended up exactly where we were supposed to. We just don't like the reality that those expectations were outside the NCAA tournament.
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No. Don't recall us finishing 5-13 in conference, with 2 defeats coming in double OT, and 2 more defeats coming in OT. We were 4-14 with 2 OT games.
GTown was thought to be a dumpster fire this year. Went to OT with Syracuse. They went to OT against Butler and Xavier. Took us to OT. Actually beat Butler this year, which qualifies as a better win than we achieved this year per Pomeroy.
So. All in all. A "decent" first year by Ewing benchmarked against expectations and Year 1 under Wojo.
What's your best guess as to where GTown will be in Year 4 of the Ewing regime?
This would be a great poll.
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Also predicted to finish around 7th in the Big East. Marquette was who they thought we would be.
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Also predicted to finish around 7th in the Big East. Marquette was who they thought we would be.
And was one game out of 3rd place (and 4 games out of 8th).
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Hats off to Wojo for overachieving this year. I mean, our defense was awful, right? Like 175 bad. Yet Wojo somehow squeezed all he could out of this awful defensive team. He took that 175th ranked defense and turned it into a top 55 Ken Pom team.
Kudos to Wojo!
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Hats off to Wojo for overachieving this year. I mean, our defense was awful, right? Like 175 bad. Yet Wojo somehow squeezed all he could out of this awful defensive team. He took that 175th ranked defense and turned it into a top 55 Ken Pom team.
Kudos to Wojo!
I agree!! I mean heck yeah, meeting expectations is Awesome!!! Give him a Huge Raise ! YEAH!!! Wojo's also a great coach because he has moved expectations so low, he'll always meet them. YEAH!! He's gonna be here forever! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Let's Celebrate. Everyone, start hitting Twitter thanking Wojo for meeting expectations. Makes me so happy. 7th place, just missed out on 4th. WOHOOO!
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Hats off to Wojo for overachieving this year. I mean, our defense was awful, right? Like 175 bad. Yet Wojo somehow squeezed all he could out of this awful defensive team. He took that 175th ranked defense and turned it into a top 55 Ken Pom team.
Kudos to Wojo!
Agreed. He just needs to get rid of the guy who is giving him these awful defensive players, then MU will be really good again.
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If Lovell felt this was a great season, either he has little interest in being a big time program or he has too much Panther blood in him. In today's twitter world I would have expected a similar type tweet from MU. IMO, I hope it is simply window dressing and not what the expectations from the university are for the program.
Well said, Goose. As long as Lovell and all the Wojo Kool Aiders keep loving the mediocrity of current performance, MU will remain just that--MIDDLE OF THE PACK TO BOTTOM TIER BEAST, with an occasional lucky trip to the dance and 1st round loss.
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And was one game out of 3rd place (and 4 games out of 8th).
Wooda, cooda, shooda spin.
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Wooda, cooda, shooda spin.
Willie if wed beaten Depaul and gotten third you'd still be griping. Your posts honestly amount to someone shouting "I like being pissed off"
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What program in the Big East is a realistic benchmark for you?
Well, considering all the gurus here that keep throwing out the lame defense of Wojo by comparing him to Wright at Villanova, then the Benchmark should be Villanova. Hopefully we get there next year, rather than later, because after all, we will be really, really good next year. And Wojo will have all of his guys to make up for any that he made a mistake on. Thats it, we need to wait until we are sure that Wojo's guys all are performing at high level, before we establish expectations. Yes, now we need to offer up the excuse that we need bigger Guards, including a 6 foot 8 PG, ala Magic, that will ensure BEast superiority.
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Well, considering all the gurus here that keep throwing out the lame defense of Wojo by comparing him to Wright at Villanova, then the Benchmark should be Villanova. Hopefully we get there next year, rather than later, because after all, we will be really, really good next year. And Wojo will have all of his guys to make up for any that he made a mistake on. Thats it, we need to wait until we are sure that Wojo's guys all are performing at high level, before we establish expectations. Yes, now we need to offer up the excuse that we need bigger Guards, including a 6 foot 8 PG, ala Magic, that will ensure BEast superiority.
wee whining. What's new?
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Willie if wed beaten Depaul and gotten third you'd still be griping. Your posts honestly amount to someone shouting "I like being pissed off"
I like your if
Did not know that you were a psychologist. Or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
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Well, considering all the gurus here that keep throwing out the lame defense of Wojo by comparing him to Wright at Villanova, then the Benchmark should be Villanova. Hopefully we get there next year, rather than later, because after all, we will be really, really good next year. And Wojo will have all of his guys to make up for any that he made a mistake on. Thats it, we need to wait until we are sure that Wojo's guys all are performing at high level, before we establish expectations. Yes, now we need to offer up the excuse that we need bigger Guards, including a 6 foot 8 PG, ala Magic, that will ensure BEast superiority.
Oh man. Wojo defenders will cry foul but this is truly what it sounds like.
On another note - if anyone is a member of the Marquette Ticket Exchange on Facebook, go view some of the posts and comments that went mini-viral there to get a pulse on the student body. I would say they are more willie than anyone else.
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Dude, willie complained when Buzz was leading MU to an E8 appearance. willie complains about everything.
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I like your if
Did not know that you were a psychologist. Or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
Dude, willie complained when Buzz was leading MU to an E8 appearance. willie complains about everything.
What Sultan said is all the evidence I need
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Lovell is far better tweeter than public speaker. Maybe he can tweet at graduation.
Boy Goose you should change your handle to Palm Tree the way you're throwing shade around lately!
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I don't have a KenPom subscription, but I'm pretty sure that Butler, Creighton, and Providence were all projected to go into the NCAA tournament preseason. If you go by KenPom, Providence actually massively underachieved. They were rated in the 70s by KenPom, one of the lowest in history for an at large team.
The reality is, we ended up exactly where we were supposed to. We just don't like the reality that those expectations were outside the NCAA tournament.
Well, if you go by the preseason Big East Coaches poll...Butler was picked to finish 8th...behind MU..They definitely overachieved based on that.
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Well, considering all the gurus here that keep throwing out the lame defense of Wojo by comparing him to Wright at Villanova, then the Benchmark should be Villanova. Hopefully we get there next year, rather than later, because after all, we will be really, really good next year. And Wojo will have all of his guys to make up for any that he made a mistake on. Thats it, we need to wait until we are sure that Wojo's guys all are performing at high level, before we establish expectations. Yes, now we need to offer up the excuse that we need bigger Guards, including a 6 foot 8 PG, ala Magic, that will ensure BEast superiority.
Which part of the Jay Wright era?
The part where he won nine games in both his sixth and seventh seasons as coach?
The part where he averaged eight conference wins in his 10th, 11th, and 12th seasons?
The part where he hasn't made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA in 11 of his 17 seasons as coach?
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Dude, willie complained when Buzz was leading MU to an E8 appearance. willie complains about everything.
I always think of this song whenever willie posts. 25 years ago this bar/club in New Haven called Boppers used to love playing this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM6I-pmV0RA
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Well, if you go by the preseason Big East Coaches poll...Butler was picked to finish 8th...behind MU..They definitely overachieved based on that.
So getting 6th (tied for 7th) instead of 8th in conference....I guess that's over-achievement. Pretty insignificant over-achievement but if that's how you want to set your goals.
And if that's your standard, than Marquette met expectations!
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Which part of the Jay Wright era?
The part where he won nine games in both his sixth and seventh seasons as coach?
The part where he averaged eight conference wins in his 10th, 11th, and 12th seasons?
The part where he hasn't made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA in 11 of his 17 seasons as coach?
If your plan to defend Wojo starts by ripping Jay Wright and what he's accomplished for Nova. Wow, just Wow.
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I expect Georgetown to pass up MU in the near future. Not because Ewing is a better coach than Wojo. It is because I believe the Georgetown program is more likely to recruit top bigmen. As John Wooden said the better coach is the one with the better players.
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No. Don't recall us finishing 5-13 in conference, with 2 defeats coming in double OT, and 2 more defeats coming in OT. We were 4-14 with 2 OT games.
GTown was thought to be a dumpster fire this year. Went to OT with Syracuse. They went to OT against Butler and Xavier. Took us to OT. Actually beat Butler this year, which qualifies as a better win than we achieved this year per Pomeroy.
So. All in all. A "decent" first year by Ewing benchmarked against expectations and Year 1 under Wojo.
What's your best guess as to where GTown will be in Year 4 of the Ewing regime?
Purely on results, Wojo and Ewing's first years are very similar.
For Ewing & Georgetown's future - my guess is next year they'll be better, maybe 8 BE wins? Year 3: They lose Govan and Derrickson, so I doubt they'll see much improvement vs year 2. Year 4: Too hard to tell without knowing what recruits they'll have. So if I had to guess - in year 4 they might be a bubble team? But it's really hard to guess at this point.
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I expect Georgetown to pass up MU in the near future. Not because Ewing is a better coach than Wojo. It is because I believe the Georgetown program is more likely to recruit top bigmen. As John Wooden said the better coach is the one with the better players.
College basketball is a guards game. Ewing could for sure pass us 10 years ago when classic bigs still mattered.
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wee whining. What's new?
Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
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If your plan to defend Wojo starts by ripping Jay Wright and what he's accomplished for Nova. Wow, just Wow.
Asking questions based on Wright's career accomplishments at Nova is neither defending Wojo nor ripping Wright. Lying is unhealthy.
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Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
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4 years of watching is lots of patience, FFS.