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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2016, 11:16:00 PM »
Honestly, thought it looked like Henry got frustrated and shoved Zierdens face. It wasnt much. Don't know that it deserved to be a technical. But in pretty sure Henry knew exactly what he was doing.
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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2016, 11:21:45 PM »
Honestly, thought it looked like Henry got frustrated and shoved Zierdens face. It wasnt much. Don't know that it deserved to be a technical. But in pretty sure Henry knew exactly what he was doing.

Pretty much how I saw it. I don't worry about the refs though as I figured it all evens itself out and is part of the game.
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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2016, 08:27:31 AM »
Honestly, thought it looked like Henry got frustrated and shoved Zierdens face. It wasnt much. Don't know that it deserved to be a technical. But in pretty sure Henry knew exactly what he was doing.

Personally, I thought HE was reaching for the ball, got Zierden's face instead and was fine with that. IOW, I don't think he initially was intending to shove Zierden's face but he didn't exactly pull back when he realized that's what he was doing. I agree with the others who said that it looked much worse in slow motion than in real time.

The officials were definitely lettin' 'em play throughout the game and there was clearly some frustration on both sides.

In the end, it didn't really matter.

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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2016, 10:40:18 AM »
To me it looked like after Zierden hacked Henry, he started to fall into Henry's legs and Henry reflexively tried to protect his legs by putting his hand on Zierden's head to guide the head, rather gently I might add, away from his legs.

Bad call.
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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2016, 10:49:42 AM »
My reaction was that Henry was going for the ball and got Zierdan's face.  I did not think they were going to call anything after watching the replay, but they always seem to err on the side of calling the foul.

I don't know if any of you saw it, as I watched the Nova-Xavier game before MU started and during the breaks after our game started.  In that game Ochefu was called for an elbow and when they checked the monitor to see if it was a flagrant foul it was obvious that the Xavier player wasn't fouled at all and just flopped.   The announcers said they took the foul away from Ochefu after the review.  I don't know if the announcers got that right, but if they did I never heard of that before.

The other one that gets me is the last foul of the game.  Henry's uniform was grabbed before the ball was inbounded.  That is obviously an intentional foul.  They never call it, but when the guy make no pretense of making a basketball play that should be two shots and the ball, not 1 and 1.  Henry buried the first one, wihch made it all academic.
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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2016, 11:45:41 AM »
And, that's what he kept telling the refs.  It was simply incidental contact.
Agreed. Nothing intentional. With the benefit of hindsight, he should have brought both kneecaps together forcefully giving the guys noggin something to "think about"
 Since he was getting the flagrant anyway, max force should have been used.
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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2016, 11:55:43 AM »
Zierden kid is a punk. Pounds his chest like he’s the Fn man. In 65 combined minutes against Marquette he was 2-11 from the field. Cocky, weak, flop.

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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2016, 11:57:49 AM »
Zierden kid is a punk. Pounds his chest like he’s the Fn man. In 65 combined minutes against Marquette he was 2-11 from the field. Cocky, weak, flop.

Go Warriors.

Zierden reminds me (on the court) of Devendorf.  I have no idea if there's been any women-punching going on, and I'm not insinuating anything.  Just his look and on-court demeanor.
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2016, 04:43:48 PM »
My reaction was that Henry was going for the ball and got Zierdan's face.  I did not think they were going to call anything after watching the replay, but they always seem to err on the side of calling the foul.

I don't know if any of you saw it, as I watched the Nova-Xavier game before MU started and during the breaks after our game started.  In that game Ochefu was called for an elbow and when they checked the monitor to see if it was a flagrant foul it was obvious that the Xavier player wasn't fouled at all and just flopped.   The announcers said they took the foul away from Ochefu after the review.  I don't know if the announcers got that right, but if they did I never heard of that before.

The other one that gets me is the last foul of the game.  Henry's uniform was grabbed before the ball was inbounded.  That is obviously an intentional foul.  They never call it, but when the guy make no pretense of making a basketball play that should be two shots and the ball, not 1 and 1.  Henry buried the first one, wihch made it all academic.

Same thoughts on all of those.  I thought Henry was definitely just trying to pick up the ball and Zierden got his head in the way.

The Xavier flop was ridiculous and plays like that, when reviewed, should be a technical against the flopping player.  Just ruins the game.

I was also wondering how they could be allowed to simply grab a player before the ball is inbounded and it's simply at 1 and 1 with no time coming off the clock.  In that case why would anyone ever wait for the ball to in passed in before giving the foul?

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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2016, 05:34:01 PM »
Zierden reminds me (on the court) of Devendorf.  I have no idea if there's been any women-punching going on, and I'm not insinuating anything.  Just his look and on-court demeanor.
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2016, 05:48:18 PM »
To me its simply this.  If it had been zierden with the ball and Henry on the floor, I would have been demanding a flagrant...so that means it has to be a flagrant on Henry when the situation was flipped.

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Re: flagrant one?
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2016, 07:26:00 PM »
I tweeted at the big east account. Not like it's gonna do anything but made me feel better.

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