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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on February 10, 2023, 01:41:41 PM
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What the H is going on?
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Balloon boy v2.0?
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This is what happens when you don’t kill the bears.
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Balloon boy v2.0?
I'm a bit confused about why this was shot down immediately and the other (over Alaskan waters) wasn't? Should I be concerned Rocky?
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This is what happens when you don’t kill the bears.
Why are 🐻 🐻❄ part of this discussion?
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I'm a bit confused about why this was shot down immediately and the other (over Alaskan waters) wasn't? Should I be concerned Rocky?
Yes, you should load up on toilet paper, non-perishable foods, ammunition and tin foil. My sources at the Capitol tell me it’s an intergalactic invasion but the lame stream media is hiding the truth because Soros told them to
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The object contained the truth about COVID vaccines and Ivermectin. It had to be destroyed.
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The object contained the truth about COVID vaccines and Ivermectin. It had to be destroyed.
It may have been the Italian satellite that changed votes in 2020 from what I was told
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It may have been the Italian satellite that changed votes in 2020 from what I was told
I hear it was carrying a laser controlled by the Rothschilds.
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I hear it was carrying a laser controlled by the Rothschilds.
If any of their wine was damaged, I’ll be furious
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Cocaine Bear got EXCEPTIONALLY high
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I'm a bit confused about why this was shot down immediately and the other (over Alaskan waters) wasn't? Should I be concerned Rocky?
This was ~40k ft -- about the altitude of commercial aircraft. The one 2 weeks ago was much higher and posed no threat.
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Yes, you should load up on toilet paper, non-perishable foods, ammunition and tin foil. My sources at the Capitol tell me it’s an intergalactic invasion but the lame stream media is hiding the truth because Soros told them to
2 out of 10
Proper punctuation and spelling, no ellipses, no quotation marks. Soros was good, but no mention of the Big Guy or Hunter. Or ice cream.
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This was ~40k ft -- about the altitude of commercial aircraft. The one 2 weeks ago was much higher and posed no threat.
🐑🐑🐑
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This was ~40k ft -- about the altitude of commercial aircraft. The one 2 weeks ago was much higher and posed no threat.
So you're saying this one posed a threat? What was the threat?
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So you're saying this one posed a threat? What was the threat?
I trust what the government and the military say.
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So you're saying this one posed a threat? What was the threat?
That is the commercial air traffic altitude-ish.
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That is the commercial air traffic altitude-ish.
Makes sense. Thanks
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That is the commercial air traffic altitude-ish.
40,000 is a tad high for commercial flights, which generally operate in the 30,000s.
The other question is where was the balloon when it was shot down. Was it over one of several commercial tracks between the U.S. mainland, Alaska and Asia?
Finally, how stealth was it? If it could not be seen and tracked, the the balloon needed to come down immediately.
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Why are 🐻 🐻❄ part of this discussion?
I don't know, but I must say the commercials for the "Cocaine Bear" movie have intrigued me. I am sure that Ray Liotta's dying wish was to live long enough to attend the premiere.
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I'm a bit confused about why this was shot down immediately and the other (over Alaskan waters) wasn't? Should I be concerned Rocky?
Always be concerned when "they" are involved.
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This was ~40k ft -- about the altitude of commercial aircraft. The one 2 weeks ago was much higher and posed no threat.
Is it conceivable they were both a threat?
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Just a stray weather balloon. Nothin' ta see here...move along, hey?
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Yes, you should load up on toilet paper, non-perishable foods, ammunition and tin foil. My sources at the Capitol tell me it’s an intergalactic invasion but the lame stream media is hiding the truth because Soros told them to
Comedy is hard. Sometimes you nail it, sometimes you bomb.
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Comedy is hard. Sometimes you nail it, sometimes you bomb.
It's just her "schtick".
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Just a stray weather balloon. Nothin' ta see here...move along, hey?
I’ve only seen this stated by conservatives and China. Interesting…
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40,000 is a tad high for commercial flights, which generally operate in the 30,000s
737s regularly cruise in the 37-41k range.
I know, because I fly swa 😂
Recent example
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA6122/history/20230210/1230Z/KDEN/KLAX/tracklog
Edit 2: attached photo of airplane near Alaska @ 40k. I should note, I'm not really arguing that it's actually a commercial aviation hazard. However, that is plausible deniability vs. a balloon @ 60k. Hence "why" we could shoot it down.
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Glad to see everyone has made it out of their bunkers after the last balloon scare.
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Glad to see everyone has made it out of their bunkers after the last balloon scare.
Wait...you don't have internet in your bunker? I haven't left for months.
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It's just her "schtick".
Her? Huh
That means it hit a little too close to home
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Bill gates was worried it was carrying confetti with the Epstein docs and said take er down take er down
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It's just her "schtick".
Piggy Ziggy is so clever.
This Piggy Ziggy should never have gone to Marquette. Wee wee wee, all the way home.
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One word.
Aliens.
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I don't know, but I must say the commercials for the "Cocaine Bear" movie have intrigued me. I am sure that Ray Liotta's dying wish was to live long enough to attend the premiere.
Meh, I live in Florida. Cocaine bear is just another day. ;D ;D ;D
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Bill gates was worried it was carrying confetti with the Epstein docs and said take er down take er down
If that were the case, it would probably be more likely a man with a rocket would have taken it down.
(https://i.insider.com/6345bf6739a9f1001232a868?width=683&format=jpeg)
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If that were the case, it would probably be more likely a man with a rocket would have taken it down.
(https://i.insider.com/6345bf6739a9f1001232a868?width=683&format=jpeg)
To be fair, he’s been in meetings with Twitter execs trying to find out why his engagements have cratered
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Piggy Ziggy is so clever.
This Piggy Ziggy should never have gone to Marquette. Wee wee wee, all the way home.
Boyd.
🐷🐷🫏🤡
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Piggy Ziggy is so clever.
This Piggy Ziggy should never have gone to Marquette. Wee wee wee, all the way home.
If they let Roqqet in, ziggy would qualify too.
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Glad to see everyone has made it out of their bunkers after the last balloon scare.
Yup.
My guess is that American intelligence was ecstatic over this balloon. It probably means that Chinese satellites are unable to do what American ones do, so they had to send more primitive devices at lower altitudes. We shot it down in a place (shallow water rather than inaccessible mountain terrain) where we could recover all of the instruments and know what they were trying to do and what their capabilities are. We know now how they uplink with chinese satellites and the types of information they were attempting to steal.
Make no mistake. We are using technology that none of us even know about to spy on China. I am also sure we have low altitude drones - probably with stealth technology - with the capability of identifying people on the street.
We can now understand why it is such a high priority for the Chinese to steal American military technology. They really are that far behind.
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We can now understand why it is such a high priority for the Chinese to steal American military technology. They really are that far behind.
That is...not wise thinking...
https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/04/12/a-us-air-force-war-game-shows-what-the-service-needs-to-hold-off-or-win-against-china-in-2030/
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US releases picture of object shot down.
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That is...not wise thinking...
https://www.defensenews.com/training-sim/2021/04/12/a-us-air-force-war-game-shows-what-the-service-needs-to-hold-off-or-win-against-china-in-2030/
You are assuming that all of our military technologies have been made public. I don't think that is wise.
Reminds me of the orientation that I and other new hirees for a tech job back in 2002 went through. Our boss was a former Intelligence operative and one thing he said was that not a single one of us had ever even imagined some of the technologies that the military already had in use. I don't think it is any different today.
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You are assuming
That is not a wise assumption
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If they let Roqqet in, ziggy would qualify too.
What an emboldened fella needed MU to work in a under britches factory? how many credits to realize which panties had the fly on the front or buttons on the back?
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That is not a wise assumption
Well
Done.
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It carried a copy of The Letter. Had to be done.
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Well, hello neighbor ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/11/us/politics/unidentified-object-canada-alaska-pentagon.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20230211&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline®i_id=108420427&segment_id=125110&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
WASHINGTON — An American fighter jet, acting on the orders of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, shot down another unidentified flying object on Saturday, Canadian and American officials said, in the latest twist of the ongoing drama playing out over the skies of North America.
“I ordered the take down of an unidentified object that violated Canadian airspace,” Mr. Trudeau said in a statement he posted on Twitter. He said an American F-22 with the North American Aerospace Defense Command, which is operated jointly by the United States and Canada, “shot down the object over the Yukon.”
As with the object that President Biden ordered shot down on Friday, officials said they have yet to determine just what was shot down over the Yukon Territory.
Mr. Trudeau said he had spoken with Mr. Biden Saturday afternoon. “Canadian Forces will now recover and analyze the wreckage of the object,” he said in his Twitter post, adding, “Thank you to NORAD for keeping the watch over North America.”
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China has a purpose to the repeated events of the past week. I just hope the U.S. is ready and prepared, hey?
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China has a purpose to the repeated events of the past week. I just hope the U.S. is ready and prepared, hey?
Yes, they’re spying on us.
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Yes, they’re spying on us.
And laughing at the Buffoon…great for foreign relations from a country who told us the virus came from a wet market
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Yes, they’re spying on us.
Huge sign of weakness that they have to do it in plain sight.
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And laughing at the Buffoon…great for foreign relations from a country who told us the virus came from a wet market
9 out of 10
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Huge sign of weakness that they have to do it in plain sight.
I wish we would spy on them
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IBTL
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I hope Canada is refunding the cost of the plane!
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And laughing at the Buffoon…great for foreign relations from a country who told us the virus came from a wet market
This absolutely has to be a parody account. Otherwise….
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A couple things that seem to provide clarity on the differences for these last two objects.
1. They were flying at 40k feet and were a potential threat to commercial aviation.
2. Apparently the weather is very bad where the object was located, and pilots had a hard time getting eyes on the object to ascertain what it was. So it was harder to assess whether it could be a threat beyond commercial aviation.
3. It was able to be safely shot down, and any debris would not be a threat to those on the ground.
Seems like the government and military forces are operating intelligently, and capably to keep Americans (and Canadians) safe.
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A couple things that seem to provide clarity on the differences for these last two objects.
1. They were flying at 40k feet and were a potential threat to commercial aviation.
2. Apparently the weather is very bad where the object was located, and pilots had a hard time getting eyes on the object to ascertain what it was. So it was harder to assess whether it could be a threat beyond commercial aviation.
3. It was able to be safely shot down, and any debris would not be a threat to those on the ground.
Seems like the government and military forces are operating intelligently, and capably to keep Americans (and Canadians) safe.
Air traffic congestion must be pretty heavy off the Northern coast of Alaska for an object to be considered a threat. Most planes in Alaska are prop planes that fly around 12 to 13k feet.
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Balloon boy v2.0?
Now v3.0, another one over Canada.
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9 out of 10
00:09.28
Big improvement over this morning.
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I fully trust what the government and military tell us.
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00:09.28
Big improvement over this morning.
I’m just glad for the opportunities. Unhinged lunatics fascinate me
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China has a purpose to the repeated events of the past week. I just hope the U.S. is ready and prepared, hey?
This could be serious stuff. Thank God we don't have a doddering imbecile running the. Free World. No, wait........
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So now Canada is relying on mr Magoo to cover their arses now? Don’t they remember Afghanistan?
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So now Canada is relying on mr Magoo to cover their arses now? Don’t they remember Afghanistan?
3 out of 10 for not understanding Norad. Terrible look for Marquette education
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Probably shot down Santa's new EV sleigh by Lucid.
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I’ve only seen this stated by conservatives and China. Interesting…
Actually the “nothing to see here, this can’t give them anything they’re not already getting from satellites” was your and other Scooper’s position as balloon #1 sailed across America. When Joe shot it down, the story changed to “thank God, he did what was right and what he had to do”. Hilarious as it was predictable.
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Air traffic congestion must be pretty heavy off the Northern coast of Alaska for an object to be considered a threat. Most planes in Alaska are prop planes that fly around 12 to 13k feet.
Maybe very low risk, but I’m guessing that very low risk was enough for them to take it down.
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Air traffic congestion must be pretty heavy off the Northern coast of Alaska for an object to be considered a threat. Most planes in Alaska are prop planes that fly around 12 to 13k feet.
It was flying south. A lot of air traffic over southern Alaska. That is the route of a lot of international flights. Shot it down before it could threaten any flights.
Actually the “nothing to see here, this can’t give them anything they’re not already getting from satellites” was your and other Scooper’s position as balloon #1 sailed across America. When Joe shot it down, the story changed to “thank God, he did what was right and what he had to do”. Hilarious as it was predictable.
Never saw any change in peoples opinion. The entire time was the military knows what it is doing, it is not an intelligence threat, but is a risk to people on the ground if it is shot down.
When it was shot down safely over water, where salvage and intelligence benefits were maximized, people continued to say the military knows what it is doing.
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Actually the “nothing to see here, this can’t give them anything they’re not already getting from satellites” was your and other Scooper’s position as balloon #1 sailed across America. When Joe shot it down, the story changed to “thank God, he did what was right and what he had to do”. Hilarious as it was predictable.
Yeah, nobody’s position changed lol. Well, except yours, of course. Nobody other than China and conservatives have ever said it was a weather balloon that went off track.
But what’s hilarious is that YOU are claiming other people changed their positions haha. You got it totally wrong from the start, then went all “look how smart I was!” after the fact, and apparently forgot the internet keeps receipts. Sad.
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Lenny: So maybe it’s a test. What will the US do if China sends a recon balloon that violates our airspace? The answer apparently is nothing. What do you suppose China’s response would be if the situation were reversed?
Also Lenny, after the US shoots the ballon down: See! Biden is on my side and had the ballon shot down!
Also Lenny now: All you libs flip flop!
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So now Canada is relying on mr Magoo to cover their arses now? Don’t they remember Afghanistan?
You definitely have a severe head injury
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3 out of 10 for not understanding Norad. Terrible look for Marquette education
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Olympic qualifier.
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Has Dom reopened his pulloon business?
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I wonder if the unidentified flying object flying over the Qingdao, China port is a plant or something else. Another twist the story.
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Re-elect Thomas J. Whitmore
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Hard to know, Goose. But, anything and everything is in play. Not that difficult to fool the U.S. at this point. Unfortunately, that's what its now come to, hey?
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Doc
These are very interesting times, and I am not willing to dismiss the past week as being a non-event. China, or some other country, is testing the USA and I think it is a potentially dangerous situation. It is funny to me the number of experts on China have surfaced over the past three years. I would be willing to bet the vast majority of American's would struggle to name the last four Chinese Presidents, myself included, but now are experts on US-Sino relations.
For me, I am far from an expert on China or US-China relations, and would never underestimate what they are capable of or willing to do. Hell, they locked down a country from the outside world for three years and I thought that was beyond unbelievable. Granted, the US and other countries have intel on what has been going on, but they have pretty much had three years of unsupervised free time.
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Hard to know, Goose. But, anything and everything is in play. Not that difficult to fool the U.S. at this point. Unfortunately, that's what its now come to, hey?
Why do you think the U.S. is being fooled here? I don’t understand how someone can be so deep into political nonsense that they come to the conclusion that China is playing chess while we are playing checkers.
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Why do you think the U.S. is being fooled here? I don’t understand how someone can be so deep into political nonsense that they come to the conclusion that China is playing chess while we are playing checkers.
The narrative demands it.
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The narrative demands it.
At least the Chinese know better than to come to downtown Milwaukee
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Pakuni,
I have zero idea what is going on or what is going on behind the scenes, but again, not willing to write it off as being a non-event. My only issue is that it appears that some people 100% believe things are well in hand and nothing to see here. IMO, that might not be a logical thought process. As I stated in my previous post, I believe there are real experts on Russia, N. Korea and other potential enemies of the USA and I think we lack the same knowledge on China. That is my feeling, nothing else.
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Pakuni,
I have zero idea what is going on or what is going on behind the scenes, but again, not willing to write it off as being a non-event. My only issue is that it appears that some people 100% believe things are well in hand and nothing to see here. IMO, that might not be a logical thought process. As I stated in my previous post, I believe there are real experts on Russia, N. Korea and other potential enemies of the USA and I think we lack the same knowledge on China. That is my feeling, nothing else.
On a serious note, I disagree with this assessment about the information we have regard to China. It’s been awhile but I’ve known people with a wealth of knowledge about the going-ons in China. It was in the academic world but I feel pretty confident in saying if they knew as much as they did, those in the intelligence community do as well.
As for it being an event or non-event, what the hell am I going to do about? Live my life in perpetual fear that my political opposites are not equipped to handle this? Wish it was 1977 again like some people?
I’m just going to watch Fox News Sunday where they have expert Clay Travis talking about it
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I start with the assumption that countries spy on each other 24/7/365. I do not think for a nanosecond that these balloons had the ability to gather information that spies, hackers, and satellites can't. Or traitors (see: FBI agent in the pocket of a Russian oligarch)
What fascinates me is the 'why'? Why would China allow themselves to be so publicly humiliated by sending such pathetic data collecting devices?
A distraction? A rope-a-dope? A test? Can we get away with under Biden what we got away with under Trump?
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tower
A retired military expert on CNN last night did pose the question that China may have technology we did not know they had or more advanced than ours.
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Dumb question, as I am not following the stories too closely. Do you think we have the intel on where these balloons launched exactly? Were they all from the same exact location?
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tower
A retired military expert on CNN last night did pose the question that China may have technology we did not know they had or more advanced than ours.
Of course. I would go with 'different'. I am more certain that the US has technology that is more advanced than China's and that they don't know about. As we are learning about Russia, it is possible their militaries are not as powerful as they are in our fears.
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I start with the assumption that countries spy on each other 24/7/365. I do not think for a nanosecond that these balloons had the ability to gather information that spies, hackers, and satellites can't. Or traitors (see: FBI agent in the pocket of a Russian oligarch)
What fascinates me is the 'why'? Why would China allow themselves to be so publicly humiliated by sending such pathetic data collecting devices?
A distraction? A rope-a-dope? A test? Can we get away with under Biden what we got away with under Trump?
One possibility is to goad us into shooting it down, so in the future, if they want to, they can shoot down US or allied craft near or over Taiwan claiming it is part of their territorial waters/airspace.
It becomes a pretext for retaliatory strikes.
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Fair.
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tower
A retired military expert on CNN last night did pose the question that China may have technology we did not know they had or more advanced than ours.
Maybe so and we also have technology they aren’t aware of.
But the balloon was absolutely NOT a new technology. The Chinese are not stupid - they would not give us access to a new technology by putting it on a low flying balloon that they knew we would shoot down and recover.
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One possibility is to goad us into shooting it down, so in the future, if they want to, they can shoot down US or allied craft near or over Taiwan claiming it is part of their territorial waters/airspace.
It becomes a pretext for retaliatory strikes.
China does not need a pretext. Furthermore, we had every right to shoot it down and they knew in advance that we would. We have a real president who respects and listens to his military and intelligence advisors and will take action.
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Object potentially over Green Bay, WI. FAA has restricted air space over part of Lake Michigan. Getting close to downtown MKE.
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Object potentially over Green Bay, WI. FAA has restricted air space over part of Lake Michigan. Getting close to downtown MKE.
It will be shot down.
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So now Canada is relying on mr Magoo to cover their arses now? Don’t they remember Afghanistan?
I’m curious…did you vote for the last guy?
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It will be shot down.
It's gowne. Threatened Cleveland
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Flew too close to Marquette's campus. Made 4evers blog.
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Object potentially over Green Bay, WI. FAA has restricted air space over part of Lake Michigan. Getting close to downtown MKE.
I blame sultan
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Object potentially over Green Bay, WI. FAA has restricted air space over part of Lake Michigan. Getting close to downtown MKE.
Some crazy stuff going on Goose.
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I've long believed that the only hope China has of replacing America as THE global superpower is if America tears itself apart. We know China is willing to resort to non-traditional tactics to cause issues in the United States. Is it possible that the purpose of using such obvious spying technology is to stoke further division in the states? Cause I guarantee that if 45 was still President, and did the exact same thing as 46, we would have the exact same reactions...just who was making them would be inverted.
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I've long believed that the only hope China has of replacing America as THE global superpower is if America tears itself apart. We know China is willing to resort to non-traditional tactics to cause issues in the United States. Is it possible that the purpose of using such obvious spying technology is to stoke further division in the states? Cause I guarantee that if 45 was still President, and did the exact same thing as 46, we would have the exact same reactions...just who was making them would be inverted.
The same is true of Russia. No one can really hurt the USA militarily. Sure, nukes, but M.A.D. We have the best stuff, more of it, the best troops, and lots of them, and are protected by a lot of water. Economically, though that would be short term while the US figured it out. Terrorism, but you can't destroy the USA through terrorism, just hurt it and piss it off.
The best way to destroy America is to sow lies and discord and let it tear itself apart.
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I've long believed that the only hope China has of replacing America as THE global superpower is if America tears itself apart. We know China is willing to resort to non-traditional tactics to cause issues in the United States. Is it possible that the purpose of using such obvious spying technology is to stoke further division in the states? Cause I guarantee that if 45 was still President, and did the exact same thing as 46, we would have the exact same reactions...just who was making them would be inverted.
Obviously, there would would be people complaining if trump shot down (or in reality, didn't shoot down) the same spy balloons, but to say the reaction would be exactly the same is kinda off-base.
There are few Ds as radical as the millions who supported the overthrow of our gov't. That's just typical both-siderism, which is surprising coming from you.
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The same is true of Russia. No one can really hurt the USA militarily. Sure, nukes, but M.A.D. We have the best stuff, more of it, the best troops, and lots of them, and are protected by a lot of water. Economically, though that would be short term while the US figured it out. Terrorism, but you can't destroy the USA through terrorism, just hurt it and piss it off.
The best way to destroy America is to sow lies and discord and let it tear itself apart.
To channel my inner Ted Kaczynski, technology will be the death of us all. I don't know if it will be 'social media' or AI, but it is inevitable.
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My confidence in this administration is at at all-time low. And, that's sayin' a lot, hey?
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I do think the President owes some time of comment. Quite possibly these objects are not a big deal and it makes sense to say that. My level of concern is low, but nothing wrong with making a statement. The longer he goes without a statement I believe is a mistake.
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My confidence in this administration is at at all-time low. And, that's sayin' a lot, hey?
I spent 4 years with my confidence at an all time low. They dropped it below that with a coup attempt.
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My confidence in this administration is at at all-time low. And, that's sayin' a lot, hey?
Because of balloons?
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My confidence in this administration is at at all-time low. And, that's sayin' a lot, hey?
You’re also afraid of your shadow
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C'mon man, Biden is bordering on a dereliction of duty. The fact that's he's in bed with China compromises this country and all of us. He took an oath to protect and defend and he's been grossly negligent in that regard. To me, that's grounds for impeachment, aina?
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C'mon man, Biden is bordering on a dereliction of duty. The fact that's he's in bed with China compromises this country and all of us. He took an oath to protect and defend and he's been grossly negligent in that regard. To me, that's grounds for impeachment, aina?
😂😂
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Lol!
Anyway. At least if any get near Milwaukee they’ll catch a stray bullet and be shot down, like they should be.
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C'mon man, Biden is bordering on a dereliction of duty. The fact that's he's in bed with China compromises this country and all of us. He took an oath to protect and defend and he's been grossly negligent in that regard. To me, that's grounds for impeachment, aina?
Lol. So what should he do? Send nukes?
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Lol. So what should he do? Send nukes?
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How 'bout startin' by standin' in front of a microphone and addressing the country and our citizens. Aren't we owed that at a minimum, hey?
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Doc
He should stand in front of a microphone and address the issue. It is not often that air zones are shutdown without planning or warning. That is not an everyday thing and should be addressed asap.
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Pakuni,
I have zero idea what is going on or what is going on behind the scenes, but again, not willing to write it off as being a non-event. My only issue is that it appears that some people 100% believe things are well in hand and nothing to see here. IMO, that might not be a logical thought process. As I stated in my previous post, I believe there are real experts on Russia, N. Korea and other potential enemies of the USA and I think we lack the same knowledge on China. That is my feeling, nothing else.
Goose,
The point here is that no one on Scoop really knows what's happening, nor do we have the information needed to make an intelligent guess at what's happening. Much to your credit, you're willing to admit as much, But some here, just as equally clueless, are very, very certain that the military/Biden Administration are botching it. That's not based on any information, knowledge or facts. It's based on the narrative they want to believe.
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Obviously, there would would be people complaining if trump shot down (or in reality, didn't shoot down) the same spy balloons, but to say the reaction would be exactly the same is kinda off-base.
There are few Ds as radical as the millions who supported the overthrow of our gov't. That's just typical both-siderism, which is surprising coming from you.
I disagree. Sure the tone and messaging may have been different, but this is the phase of politics we have entered. You never waste an opportunity to praise/criticize (depending which party you are) the sitting president.
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Goose, remember its Super Bowl Sunday and he has more important matters to attend to...ranch or buffalo wings, hey?
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Goose, remember its Super Bowl Sunday and he has more important matters to attend to...ranch or buffalo wings, hey?
Not for me. I’m shopping for bomb shelters right now
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Doc,
I will add that today being SB Sunday makes this an even bigger deal, IMO. The cable news networks had SB fluff planned for this afternoon and feel the need to cover this situation. Time for the government to give an update of some sort.
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I guess “Biden should address the nation” is the latest talking point.
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I guess “Biden should address the nation” is the latest talking point.
Because, you know 4ever and Goose care very much about what Biden says.
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Guys
I have zero talking points. I have voiced my opinion. I think this is a big deal or potentially big deal.
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I guess “Biden should address the nation” is the latest talking point.
nope, it's either mint explosion or double chocolate turtle depending on which culvers he uses most. wait, this just in...his staff made an executive decision and advised against mint explosion due to it's potential inappropriateness given the situation the country is in. mr magoo was seen dejected and pouting in the corner not speaking to anyone. the good doctor was then seen trying to console him with extra sprinkles and crunched nuts on his special super bowl sunday treat. she was then seen unrolling his nap mat which probably explains the pause to address the american public on the "Unidentified" flying objects. so no worries, we should probably hear something within the next few weeks
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nope, it's either mint explosion or double chocolate turtle depending on which culvers he uses most. wait, this just in...his staff made an executive decision and advised against mint explosion due to it's potential inappropriateness given the situation the country is in. mr magoo was seen dejected and pouting in the corner not speaking to anyone. the good doctor was then seen trying to console him with extra sprinkles and crunched nuts on his special super bowl sunday treat. she was then seen unrolling his nap mat which probably explains the pause to address the american public on the "Unidentified" flying objects. so no worries, we should probably hear something within the next few weeks
Do you think you'd have any patients left if they had access to your Scoop ramblings?
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Obviously, there would would be people complaining if trump shot down (or in reality, didn't shoot down) the same spy balloons, but to say the reaction would be exactly the same is kinda off-base.
There are few Ds as radical as the millions who supported the overthrow of our gov't. That's just typical both-siderism, which is surprising coming from you.
You are so dense.
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C'mon man, Biden is bordering on a dereliction of duty. The fact that's he's in bed with China compromises this country and all of us. He took an oath to protect and defend and he's been grossly negligent in that regard. To me, that's grounds for impeachment, aina?
LOL
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Not for me. I’m shopping for bomb shelters right now’s
Get bombed instead
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nope, it's either mint explosion or double chocolate turtle depending on which culvers he uses most. wait, this just in...his staff made an executive decision and advised against mint explosion due to it's potential inappropriateness given the situation the country is in. mr magoo was seen dejected and pouting in the corner not speaking to anyone. the good doctor was then seen trying to console him with extra sprinkles and crunched nuts on his special super bowl sunday treat. she was then seen unrolling his nap mat which probably explains the pause to address the american public on the "Unidentified" flying objects. so no worries, we should probably hear something within the next few weeks
This is your magnum opus.
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4never’s bait shop is open and slaying it.
Rico, you’re a hoot too. Enjoyed your stuff. 9.2
TAMU with the common sense.
Back to my wings, brisket, shot gun shells (they turned out awesome), and Breckinridge.
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The U.S. Navy and Marine Corps are holding joint exercises in the South China Sea
At w that is a hint why China is doing the balloon thing now.
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4never’s bait shop is open and slaying
Well he is the master
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Do you think you'd have any patients left if they had access to your Scoop ramblings?
As opposed to modeling myself after you guys who of course are always the smartest in the room…wow, your arrogance is showing again. Whooo eeee you guys are special
Lighten up a little Francis, take the bus, smell the b.o. of the people next to you and realize you ain’t always right
To answer your question, I don’t think they’d give a flyin “F” as long as I’m honest, painless and good as I have been for more years than you’d like to know and that probably pains you the most.
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I do think the President owes some time of comment. Quite possibly these objects are not a big deal and it makes sense to say that. My level of concern is low, but nothing wrong with making a statement. The longer he goes without a statement I believe is a mistake.
I really do not think that any of this rises to the level of the President needing to make a major statement.
I mean, these balloons aren't new, and were missed by the prior administration. They pose no threat, but created a political uproar, because as TAMU said, we live in a time of insanity (well the last word is my synopsis of how people treat everything).
The other crafts, and anomalies are a result of tuning the sensitivity of the radar signatures we worry about. That has been publicly discussed today. We are adjusting what we consider looking at as an anomaly and it is leading more crafts identified but also false alarms.
Any public statement by the President would just be another talking point/attacking point for the GOP, who would maximize using it to further divide. Zero benefit or reason to make a public address for something that really is a non-issue.
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I really do not think that any of this rises to the level of the President needing to make a major statement.
I mean, these balloons aren't new, and were missed by the prior administration. They pose no threat, but created a political uproar, because as TAMU said, we live in a time of insanity (well the last word is my synopsis of how people treat everything).
The other crafts, and anomalies are a result of tuning the sensitivity of the radar signatures we worry about. That has been publicly discussed today. We are adjusting what we consider looking at as an anomaly and it is leading more crafts identified but also false alarms.
Any public statement by the President would just be another talking point/attacking point for the GOP, who would maximize using it to further divide. Zero benefit or reason to make a public address for something that really is a non-issue.
Jockey Jr.
You should be better than that.
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forgetful
How many times we have shot down “objects” in the sky post WWII? What would cause the need for an announcement?
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As opposed to modeling myself after you guys who of course are always the smartest in the room…wow, your arrogance is showing again. Whooo eeee you guys are special
Lighten up a little Francis, take the bus, smell the b.o. of the people next to you and realize you ain’t always right
To answer your question, I don’t think they’d give a flyin “F” as long as I’m honest, painless and good as I have been for more years than you’d like to know and that probably pains you the most.
Honest? Do you tell your patients about your opinion about ivermectin and COVID?
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Guys
I have zero talking points. I have voiced my opinion. I think this is a big deal or potentially big deal.
Most of your opinions politics-adjacent are talking points.
So are mine.
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Oh, I feel so much better now, hey?
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forgetful
How many times we have shot down “objects” in the sky post WWII? What would cause the need for an announcement?
Reasonable question, and I don't know the answer. But, quite often unknown crafts are detected, followed, and monitored, we usually just don't shoot them down (at least I don't think we do, if we shot down crafts over northern Alaska in the past, it probably wouldn't even be reported on). Largely, because unless they clearly pose a threat, accidentally starting an international incident is avoided.
It would be reasonable to question whether the balloon would ever have been shot down in the past, or if it was only shot down because of political pressure. The last two crafts, we would never have even detected in the past...we were being hyper vigilant now, again because of political reasons.
But the fact remains, addressing the nation would accomplish nothing.
It wouldn't change the fact that these are not of any concern.
And do you disagree on my assessment that any public presidential address would just be used by opposition as another reason to attack leadership, and for political talking points? (And I sincerely believe that you wouldn't do this, and would just like information, but people like you are in the minority these days)
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It's been U2 all along.
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IBTL
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https://www.wisn.com/amp/article/faa-temporarily-closes-airspace-over-lake-michigan-for-department-of-defense-activities/42845603
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It's been U2 all along.
Made the same joke at my SB party
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Glad the TV service makes it down to my bunker. That was a heck of a football game I would’ve had to miss out on.
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No one has said the last 3 "objects" were balloons or Chinese. China did not claim them only the first and the one over South America.
China did claim to shoot a UFO down over Qingdao.
Maybe they are alien? More info first then estimate.
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MU Fan
I would have zero problem if the President made a statement saying they are unsure of the origin, and he plans on keeping the citizens of the USA up to date. I truly believe the longer he goes silent the more he losses the confidence of the country. IMO, this is not a political, and if there is no national security risk he should say so. Shooting down objects over the USA simply does not happen to the best of my knowledge.
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MU Fan
I would have zero problem if the President made a statement saying they are unsure of the origin, and he plans on keeping the citizens of the USA up to date. I truly believe the longer he goes silent the more he losses the confidence of the country. IMO, this is not a political, and if there is no national security risk he should say so. Shooting down objects over the USA simply does not happen to the best of my knowledge.
You think if the President of the United States came on television to address this, and then claimed that they were "unsure of the origin" that it would be helpful? If anything, that would ramp up the anxiety.
Honestly, I think most people aren't worried, don't care, or have no idea what's going on.
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Fluff
America is a great place and we all can express opinions. Hopefully you are correct that it is nothing and majority of Americans don’t care or are not worried. I would think that would be easy sell for the President to say in a statement and presser. Seems like it would be a short announcement.
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Honestly, I think most people aren't worried, don't care, or have no idea what's going on.
This is where I'm at.
When there is something to say, someone will say it. Right now there isn't anything that sounds like a threat. The recovered debris is being reviewed and that doesn't happen over night.
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You think if the President of the United States came on television to address this, and then claimed that they were "unsure of the origin" that it would be helpful? If anything, that would ramp up the anxiety.
Honestly, I think most people aren't worried, don't care, or have no idea what's going on.
The fact that you're not worried, or the majority of Americans aren't worried, isn't relevant to this discussion or Goose's point. And if you are not concerned atxall Fluffy why are you constantly replying in this thread?
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The fact that you're not worried, or the majority of Americans aren't worried, isn't relevant to this discussion or Goose's point. And if you are not concerned atxall Fluffy why are you constantly replying in this thread?
Why should people be worried? And I reply to topics because I enjoy the banter.
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Why should people be worried? And I reply to topics because I enjoy the banter.
Maybe there are people that are concerned with geopolitical issues and the state of the world.
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Maybe there are people that are concerned with geopolitical issues and the state of the world.
Muggsy, are you concerned? You don’t strike me as someone that is easily concerned
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Muggsy, are you concerned? You don’t strike me as someone that is easily concerned
Some tv news stations get people's emotions up. It's their whole business model.
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Rico
Unless the government advises the USA citizens that using missiles over the continental USA is not unusual, I do think it is fair to question why they are now? I do not believe that missiles have ever been utilized over the USA in our history. Now, if people are not concerned, do not care or have an interest I respect that, but some, like myself, are interested in why it is happening.
My personal opinion, I believe the government, and it it's agencies, quite possibly are baffled and no have idea what the hell is going on. While that would be troubling, but it might be something they have never seen or confronted before. I know Fluff thought if the government stated that it would cause more questions to arise, but I would appreciate the transparency.
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I wouldn't be as concerned if I have confidence in the president and congress. My confidence level is deep in negative numbers. Frankly, money talks and bullchit walks, aina?
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So, if we pay you, you will go away?
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I wouldn't be as concerned if I have confidence in the president and congress. My confidence level is deep in negative numbers. Frankly, money talks and bullchit walks, aina?
I'll get Biden the hotline to your office so he can consult you on matters of national security.
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Hards
Is this matter one of national security?
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We have an obligation as a country to protect our borders, regardless of from where the threat comes. Just look at how nuts the Soviet Union went in the late 1950s and 1960 when the United States sent U2 spy planes into Soviet airspace. Like the Chinese, we lied through our teeth until the USSR presented evidence confirming what we were doing.
The Soviets made it clear any future border incursions would not be tolerated. In their view at the time, they didn't know whether the plane overflying their airspace was a U2 taking pictures or a B52 sending a "goodbye present" to millions of Soviet citizens. They underscored that view in 1983, when a Korean Airlines B747 overflew their territory and was sent to the sea.
I don't favor shooting down unarmed civilian aircraft but I would note that in the late 1950s and early 1960s, Air Force One was equipped with a reconnaissance capability in its forward landing gear bay and many thought civilian airliners might have photo reconnaissance capability. Had that been known, I hesitate to imagine what would have happened!
To the core point, our country must protect itself. Do we know unquestionably that those balloons don't have a toxic biochemical substance to be released? Or, that they're carrying some type of weapon of mass destruction on board? I don't think any of us wants to find out the hard way. Perhaps the reason the USAF didn't want to shoot the balloons down over populated areas was the concern that there could be something seriously harmful on board the balloons.
I'm not a Biden fan politically but at some point, you have to believe his interests, mine and our nation's are aligned.
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I’m not worried. Just fascinated by the whole thing. I’m sure we will hear more as they do the analysis. I’m guessing the powers that be aren’t too worried about it, but also not exactly sure what to make of it until doing a deep dive.
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We have an obligation as a country to protect our borders, regardless of from where the threat comes. Just look at how nuts the Soviet Union went in the late 1950s and 1960 when the United States sent U2 spy planes into Soviet airspace. Like the Chinese, we lied through our teeth until the USSR presented evidence confirming what we were doing.
The Soviets made it clear any future border incursions would not be tolerated. In their view at the time, they didn't know whether the plane overflying their airspace was a U2 taking pictures or a B52 sending a "goodbye present" to millions of Soviet citizens. They underscored that view in 1983, when a Korean Airlines B747 overflew their territory and was sent to the sea.
I don't favor shooting down unarmed civilian aircraft but I would note that in the late 1950s and early 1960s, Air Force One was equipped with a reconnaissance capability in its forward landing gear bay and many thought civilian airliners might have photo reconnaissance capability. Had that been known, I hesitate to imagine what would have happened!
To the core point, our country must protect itself. Do we know unquestionably that those balloons don't have a toxic biochemical substance to be released? Or, that they're carrying some type of weapon of mass destruction on board? I don't think any of us wants to find out the hard way. Perhaps the reason the USAF didn't want to shoot the balloons down over populated areas was the concern that there could be something seriously harmful on board the balloons.
I'm not a Biden fan politically but at some point, you have to believe his interests, mine and our nation's are aligned.
It's conceivable that they have our nation's best interest while simultaneously have no idea what's actually going on brother dgies. In light of various decisions Milley, Austin, and Blinken have made I'm not particularly confident in their actions or their foresight regarding future potential geopolitical catastrophes.
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It's conceivable that they have our nation's best interest while simultaneously have no idea what's actually going on brother dgies. In light of various decisions Milley, Austin, and Blinken have made I'm not particularly confident in their actions or their foresight regarding future potential geopolitical catastrophes.
Unreal.
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Rico
Unless the government advises the USA citizens that using missiles over the continental USA is not unusual, I do think it is fair to question why they are now? I do not believe that missiles have ever been utilized over the USA in our history. Now, if people are not concerned, do not care or have an interest I respect that, but some, like myself, are interested in why it is happening.
My interest in all of this is no more than curiosity and wonder. But to Goose’s first point, I don’t think people realize how infrequent actual in-air engagement is these days. I posted following the first balloon that it was the first time EVER that the F-22 had shot something down in over 20 years of service. So regardless of it being NBD geopolitically or otherwise, US military aircraft shooting down airborne objects, especially domestic adjacent, is not a common occurence.
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One thing that I find interesting is that there has been virtually no crazy comments from the usual suspects in either party. It almost seems that there is a gag order on this topic. The fringe of both parties live to be in the news and I am not finding click bait from the whack jobs. That is very interesting to me.
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My interest in all of this is no more than curiosity and wonder. But to Goose’s first point, I don’t think people realize how infrequent actual in-air engagement is these days. I posted following the first balloon that it was the first time EVER that the F-22 had shot something down in over 20 years of service. So regardless of it being NBD geopolitically or otherwise, US military aircraft shooting down airborne objects, especially domestic adjacent, is not a common occurence.
This makes sense to me. I'm currently of the opinion that these objects are fairly common, that they aren't thought to do much harm so are generally allowed to just float around, and that the sudden interest in blasting them is mostly a PR decision with a dash of hawkish posturing to avoid looking weak to the public and China, respectively.
Or aliens.
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Hards
Is this matter one of national security?
Yes, of course. It isn't a national emergency though.
There is so much noise from both sides about what our response should or should not be. Sometimes no response is the correct one.
Depending on a person's point of view or political leanings:
China is so backwards they are using balloons to spy on us?
China is so far ahead of us technologically they've managed to evade our countermeasures
Biden is big brained because he waited for the balloon to fall over open water to shoot it down to prevent damage
Biden is dumb as a rock because he allowed a spy balloon to traverse the US unabated
China was just doing pen testing
China can easily fool our military we spend trillions on
Look guys, a stupid balloon is insignificant in terms of espionage. Tower was right pages ago when he said something to the effect of, "I just assuming everyone is spying on everyone all of the time".
Should Biden get in front of a podium and calm the nation? I mean, I guess. Most people have already forgotten. Sometimes being slow and methodical in a fast paced world won't satisfy the desires of our ape brains that demand to know everything instantly. Instead, let's just be a little bit patient and figure out what exactly the equipment involved is. There doesn't seem to be an actual imminent threat to national security. Cooling our jets is the best way forward.
I don't see what any sort of tangible retaliation against China would even look like. Plus the blowback from it would be immense.
Let cooler heads prevail.
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It's conceivable that they have our nation's best interest while simultaneously have no idea what's actually going on brother dgies. In light of various decisions Milley, Austin, and Blinken have made I'm not particularly confident in their actions or their foresight regarding future potential geopolitical catastrophes.
What decisions are you referencing, specifically.
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Yes, of course. It isn't a national emergency though.
There is so much noise from both sides about what our response should or should not be. Sometimes no response is the correct one.
Depending on a person's point of view or political leanings:
China is so backwards they are using balloons to spy on us?
China is so far ahead of us technologically they've managed to evade our countermeasures
Biden is big brained because he waited for the balloon to fall over open water to shoot it down to prevent damage
Biden is dumb as a rock because he allowed a spy balloon to traverse the US unabated
China was just doing pen testing
China can easily fool our military we spend trillions on
Look guys, a stupid balloon is insignificant in terms of espionage. Tower was right pages ago when he said something to the effect of, "I just assuming everyone is spying on everyone all of the time".
Should Biden get in front of a podium and calm the nation? I mean, I guess. Most people have already forgotten. Sometimes being slow and methodical in a fast paced world won't satisfy the desires of our ape brains that demand to know everything instantly. Instead, let's just be a little bit patient and figure out what exactly the equipment involved is. There doesn't seem to be an actual imminent threat to national security. Cooling our jets is the best way forward.
I don't see what any sort of tangible retaliation against China would even look like. Plus the blowback from it would be immense.
Let cooler heads prevail.
Yep.
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My interest in all of this is no more than curiosity and wonder. But to Goose’s first point, I don’t think people realize how infrequent actual in-air engagement is these days. I posted following the first balloon that it was the first time EVER that the F-22 had shot something down in over 20 years of service. So regardless of it being NBD geopolitically or otherwise, US military aircraft shooting down airborne objects, especially domestic adjacent, is not a common occurence.
Agree. That's a lot of money for just four balloons. I found it odd a laser couldn't do the trick?
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Agree. That's a lot of money for just four balloons. I found it odd a laser couldn't do the trick?
Jewish space lasers or sharks with lasers?
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It's conceivable that they have our nation's best interest while simultaneously have no idea what's actually going on brother dgies. In light of various decisions Milley, Austin, and Blinken have made I'm not particularly confident in their actions or their foresight regarding future potential geopolitical catastrophes.
Again, I'll reiterate that I'm no fan of Joe Biden. However, he is our President and at the core of his job is his willingness and ability to protect us (that's you and me and 330 million other Americans) from foreign threats.
While there are lots of people who think they can do a better job, until January 20, 2025, they aren't sitting in the seat that matters.
Mr. Biden is my President and I'll have to trust that my President and the military leaders around him will do their jobs. Period. End of discussion.
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Now NORAD is taking interest in things it might previously have automatically filtered out of the data it looks at. “We have been more closely scrutinizing our airspace at these altitudes, including enhancing our radar, which may at least partly explain the increase in objects that we’ve detected over the past week,” Melissa Dalton, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense and hemispheric affairs, said at a Sunday evening news conference.
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Charlie Kirk has it figured out.
“Could this all just be a false flag operation to fake an alien invasion or fake a UFO hysteria crisis to try to justify more power — lockdowns — control?” he suggested.
“These are all rational questions, but I do believe this. I feel like I’m being lied to,” Kirk said boldly.
https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/charlie-kirk-baselessly-suggests-balloons-over-us-are-false-flag-operation-to-fake-alien-invasion-and-enforce-lockdowns/
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Now NORAD is taking interest in things it might previously have automatically filtered out of the data it looks at. “We have been more closely scrutinizing our airspace at these altitudes, including enhancing our radar, which may at least partly explain the increase in objects that we’ve detected over the past week,” Melissa Dalton, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense and hemispheric affairs, said at a Sunday evening news conference.
Makes sense to me.
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Charlie Kirk has it figured out.
“Could this all just be a false flag operation to fake an alien invasion or fake a UFO hysteria crisis to try to justify more power — lockdowns — control?” he suggested.
“These are all rational questions, but I do believe this. I feel like I’m being lied to,” Kirk said boldly.
https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/charlie-kirk-baselessly-suggests-balloons-over-us-are-false-flag-operation-to-fake-alien-invasion-and-enforce-lockdowns/
4 out of 5 dentists agree.
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Charlie, have an ivermectin margarita and chill.
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One thing that I find interesting is that there has been virtually no crazy comments from the usual suspects in either party. It almost seems that there is a gag order on this topic. The fringe of both parties live to be in the news and I am not finding click bait from the whack jobs. That is very interesting to me.
Mmmhmmm.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3851495-house-briefing-on-china-spy-balloon-turns-tense-with-greene-questions-i-chewed-them-out/
At least we know the balloon she was trailing around DC didn't gain any intelligence.
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bias
A lot has happened over the past several days since Taylor Greene popped off. I am more referencing the three recent objects shot down. I would have expected the usual suspects to grab some headlines.
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Charlie Kirk has it figured out.
“Could this all just be a false flag operation to fake an alien invasion or fake a UFO hysteria crisis to try to justify more power — lockdowns — control?” he suggested.
“These are all rational questions, but I do believe this. I feel like I’m being lied to,” Kirk said boldly.
https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/charlie-kirk-baselessly-suggests-balloons-over-us-are-false-flag-operation-to-fake-alien-invasion-and-enforce-lockdowns/
I’d say a quarter of the population believes this. We’re an incredibly stupid country
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Not sure if posted here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/world/asia/china-us-balloons-airspace.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/world/asia/china-us-balloons-airspace.html)
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Now NORAD is taking interest in things it might previously have automatically filtered out of the data it looks at. “We have been more closely scrutinizing our airspace at these altitudes, including enhancing our radar, which may at least partly explain the increase in objects that we’ve detected over the past week,” Melissa Dalton, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense and hemispheric affairs, said at a Sunday evening news conference.
I mentioned something of this ilk the other day when referencing why we were suddenly seeing more. We were tweaking the sensitivity settings to catch more objects.
In the end, I wouldn't be shocked if some of these recent objects were kids/families science projects where they launched their own weather balloons or related crafts. They are of the right size for homemade crafts that in some cases just have GoPro's attached to them for fun, or other small payloads.
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I mentioned something of this ilk the other day when referencing why we were suddenly seeing more. We were tweaking the sensitivity settings to catch more objects.
In the end, I wouldn't be shocked if some of these recent objects were kids/families science projects where they launched their own weather balloons or related crafts. They are of the right size for homemade crafts that in some cases just have GoPro's attached to them for fun, or other small payloads.
If your science fair project gets taken out by an F-22, do you automatically get an A?
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forgetful
I sincerely hope that the USA is not shooting down family science projects. Firing missiles over the USA to shot down a science project would be quite the embarrassment for the leadership of our agencies and the President.
Now, it could be a reason for the tight lipped response from the President and others. I think I would be tight lipped if I ordered our military to shot down a science project..
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If your science fair project gets taken out by an F-22, do you automatically get an A?
yes, but they also get a bill for the cost of the missile, and a ticket for littering.
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yes, but they also get a bill for the cost of the missile, and a ticket for littering.
better yet dog, no more science projects that involve inflatable objects and pull all sales of balloons from store shelves. twisty, krusty and happy slappy the clowns are looking for alternative forms of employment. anyone caught with a balloon is immediately deported to china where they may be welcomed with their insatiable need to play with balloons
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No mention of this yet?
NENA | 99 Luftballons [1983] [Offizielles HD Musikvideo]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpu5a0Bl8eY
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Lol. So the U.S. was tracking the Chinese spy balloon since it took off, likely to check out it technology and capabilities. So much for the Chinese playing chess on this one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/14/china-spy-balloon-path-tracking-weather/
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Lol. So the U.S. was tracking the Chinese spy balloon since it took off, likely to check out it technology and capabilities. So much for the Chinese playing chess on this one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/14/china-spy-balloon-path-tracking-weather/
I think it was only one or two that suggested that. Strange that they are the same people who supported a man who said "my f---ing generals area a bunch of p---ies"
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jockey
What about the "school projects" being shot down. Has our President become trigger happy?
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:o
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Lol. So the U.S. was tracking the Chinese spy balloon since it took off, likely to check out it technology and capabilities. So much for the Chinese playing chess on this one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/14/china-spy-balloon-path-tracking-weather/
I fully and completely trust the government and the military to tell us the full truth.
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jockey
What about the "school projects" being shot down. Has our President become trigger happy?
You have proof that “school projects” were shot down?
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jockey
I am anxiously awaiting to hear what was shot down. Somewhere I read on scoop that possibly it was a science project or something of the like. I hope we did not shoot down a Brookfield Academy science fair project.
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I fully and completely trust the government and the military to tell us the full truth.
Good for you!
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jockey
I am anxiously awaiting to hear what was shot down. Somewhere I read on scoop that possibly it was a science project or something of the like. I hope we did not shoot down a Brookfield Academy science fair project.
Maybe The Prairie School, hey?
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jockey
I am anxiously awaiting to hear what was shot down. Somewhere I read on scoop that possibly it was a science project or something of the like. I hope we did not shoot down a Brookfield Academy science fair project.
I commented that I wouldn't be surprised if they were something of that ilk. Their size and description would be consistent with homemade balloon type crafts, or similar small crafts by private companies.
There are still good reasons why they would be shot down.
1. They were unknown crafts that were now being detected due to more sensitive settings on radar. Given that the origin and nature of the crafts could not be ascertained in air, and because of this happening in close temporal proximity to the Chinese spy balloon. It is reasonable for the military to decide to shoot them down out of precaution.
2. They were operating at altitudes used by commercial crafts, potentially putting them at risk.
Then there are the political reasons.
3. Because they were detected, and possibly a threat to civilian aircraft, airspaces would need to be closed. Which means they would become public knowledge. Not shooting them down would be attacked by opponents as "weak" and "cowardly" and a dereliction of duty. Remember, people were calling for the president to be impeached after the first balloon.
What you are seeing is a direct result of the over politicization of everything, and the massive divide in the country. The reactions to all of this has been absurd and highlights a lot of what is wrong in politics today (and it goes both ways...zero unity).
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I fully and completely trust the government and the military to tell us the full truth.
You must have been born AFTER 1975!
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LOL, this is just so funny.
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/aircraft-propulsion/hobby-clubs-missing-balloon-feared-shot-down-usaf
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So we spent $800,000 (missed the first shot) to shoot down a $12 balloon on sight without knowing what it was about but allowed what we knew was a Chinese Spy Balloon to cross over waters off Alaska, the Alaskan tundra, parts of Canada and Montana all the way through S Carolina (completing its mission) before taking it down. And some people think this is an example of a successful military/governmental action? Equal parts hilarious and sad.
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So we spent $800,000 (missed the first shot) to shoot down a $12 balloon on sight without knowing what it was about but allowed what we knew was a Chinese Spy Balloon to cross over waters off Alaska, the Alaskan tundra, parts of Canada and Montana all the way through S Carolina (completing its mission) before taking it down. And some people think this is an example of a successful military/governmental action? Equal parts hilarious and sad.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! "Completing its mission." I guess you didn't read the article stating that we knew exactly what the Chinese were doing with the spy balloon and tracked it accordingly the entire time.
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Lol.
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Buffoon had a hell of a presser today. His eyes moved meticulously across the teleprompter and read the transcript just as it was written for him.
Unfortunately, exited promptly stage left upon the conclusion of his monologue, only to return to the podium, nervously laughed, and called a reporter, " Man, you're crazy." Not a good look or shining moment for the POTUS, hey?
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Buffoon had a hell of a presser today. His eyes moved meticulously across the teleprompter and read the transcript just as it was written for him.
Unfortunately, exited promptly stage left upon the conclusion of his monologue, only to return to the podium, nervously laughed, and called a reporter, " Man, you're crazy." Not a good look or shining moment for the POTUS, hey?
So, China isn’t invading, hey?
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No worries, y'all can sleep well tonight 'cuz the government says so, aina?
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No worries, y'all can sleep well tonight 'cuz the government says so, aina?
I’ll sleep well regardless of what the government says, aina? Unless the MS-13 caravan carrying Chinese spy balloons and books teaching CRT break into my house
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It's all so predictable.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! "Completing its mission." I guess you didn't read the article stating that we knew exactly what the Chinese were doing with the spy balloon and tracked it accordingly the entire time.
BWAHAHAHA!! You believe everything these idiots who spent $800,000 to bring down a $12 Hobby project! You’re convinced people that stupid are way ahead of the Chinese on their balloons capabilities and mission. You can’t be that stupid….wait….you are!!!
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BWAHAHAHA!! You believe everything these idiots who spent $800,000 to bring down a $12 Hobby project! You’re convinced people that stupid are way ahead of the Chinese on their balloons capabilities and mission. You can’t be that stupid….wait….you are!!!
Says the guy whose changed his tune about a dozen times on this topic….
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So we spent $800,000 (missed the first shot) to shoot down a $12 balloon on sight without knowing what it was about but allowed what we knew was a Chinese Spy Balloon to cross over waters off Alaska, the Alaskan tundra, parts of Canada and Montana all the way through S Carolina (completing its mission) before taking it down. And some people think this is an example of a successful military/governmental action? Equal parts hilarious and sad.
That's the equivalent of our dottering president taking corn pop out back and teaching him a lesson.
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It's all so predictable.
Indeed.
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Yep.
“We need to hear from Biden!”
<Biden talks>
“What a buffoon!!”
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Yep.
“We need to hear from Biden!”
<Biden talks>
“What a buffoon!!”
It didn't matter the tiniest bit what path Biden took, Faux News was going to declare it the wrong one and the dentists were going to gulp down the pravda and beg for more.
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It didn't matter the tiniest bit what path Biden took, Faux News was going to declare it the wrong one and the dentists were going to gulp down the pravda and beg for more.
If only one could have known ahead of time this was how they would have reacted and how he would have been treated after speaking...
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Biden is the first president to ever read off a teleprompter I see. Next you’re going to tell me he doesn’t even write his own speeches.
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It didn't matter the tiniest bit what path Biden took, Faux News was going to declare it the wrong one and the dentists were going to gulp down the pravda and beg for more.
Always enjoyable when litigation forces the Faux crowd to produce their emails and we find out what they really think.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/fox-news-hosts-called-2020-election-fraud-total/story?id=97261751
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I'm shocked.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fair-and-balanced-rupert-murdoch-told-fox-news-ceo-the-network-should-help-gop-win-senate-any-way-we-can-in-newly-released-email/
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Just heard that an Illinois man tracked a mysterious balloon for 200 miles by car. Turned out to be bird sh*t on the windshield.
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Not bad. Feels like a 'Florida man' style joke, but I do appreciate the humor.
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Just heard that an Illinois man tracked a mysterious balloon for 200 miles by car. Turned out to be bird sh*t on the windshield.
Pakuni?
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Pakuni?
Don’t know if his electric vehicle can go that far.
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Don’t know if his electric vehicle can go that far.
If only he was driving a diesel F-150 !
He would’ve had 50 or so more mile in that tank ! Aina?
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Don’t know if his electric vehicle can go that far.
Couldn't have been me. The sight of a mysterious balloon sends me straight down to the bunker.