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Title: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 22, 2020, 01:08:28 PM
Lets try this again.  This is fantastic:

https://www.fox61.com/article/sports/ncaa/big-east-men-and-womens-basketball-teams-to-wear-blm-patches-for-2020-2021-season/520-58b82fc6-908d-44c5-a151-5628ddd795b9

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The effort to get the patches on the jerseys was spearheaded by Coaches for Action (CFA), which is a coalition of 21 BIG EAST ethnic minority men's assistant coaches. It was formed to "raise awareness in the fight against racism and to develop a sustainable action plan to dismantle prejudice, discrimination, and oppression in Black, Brown, Indigenous, and minoritized communities. The organization says coaches will wear BLM pins."
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on August 22, 2020, 01:23:03 PM
Proud of the Big East, and of my alma mater. Especially proud of the dedicated, hard-working Marquette athletes who realize that life is bigger than basketball, and even bigger than themselves.

Black Lives Matter. We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: tower912 on August 22, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Makes me proud to be associated with Marquette and the Big East.   


Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 22, 2020, 01:39:52 PM
I'm down with the slogan, BLM. Always have been. In fact, words have meanings, so All Lives Matter.
BLM Inc. can crash and slow burn in hell, aina?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 22, 2020, 02:07:04 PM
All Lives Matter.

Is that the racist All Lives Matter movement that doesn't at all recognize the "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression in Black, Brown, Indigenous, and minoritized communities" face?

If you don't capitalize it, I can agree, all lives matter.  But you really just brought that up to make this political again, didn't you?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Johnny B on August 22, 2020, 02:11:56 PM
why do we need another thread on this
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 22, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
why do we need another thread on this

I though maybe people would be happy to voice their support for the team since I had to lock the other thread.

Yes, this will probably have to be locked too soon enough.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 22, 2020, 03:44:32 PM
The BE continues to be a leader in the basketball world. They are on the right side of history. Proud of Marquette’s role in helping to spearhead this group of assistant coaches.

Black Lives Matter. And guess what, saying that doesn’t even mean other lives don’t matter, or even that other lives don’t matter as much! What it means is black lives haven’t been treated as though they’ve mattered throughout the history of this country. It’s time for that to change! As those who feel the need to say “All Lived Matter” every time someone says “Black Lives Matter” get old and leave this earth, equality will have a chance to be attained in this country. Until then, people in a place of privilege will try to hold onto that with everything they can.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: jesmu84 on August 22, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
I'm down with the slogan, BLM. Always have been. In fact, words have meanings, so All Lives Matter.
BLM Inc. can crash and slow burn in hell, aina?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: brewcity77 on August 22, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
I'm down with the slogan, BLM. Always have been. In fact, words have meanings, so All Lives Matter.

This is widely known to be a tactic used by racists to minimize the "Black" in Black Lives Matter.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 05:21:57 PM
All Lives Matter.

Unfortunately, this historically and up to the present has not been the case in this country.
Which is the point of #blacklivesmatter.
Don't be so fragile and don't make everything about you.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2020, 06:10:31 PM
We wouldn’t have to have this argument if racism was dead in this country and we lived in a society where equality was true for all.  It isn’t.  I’m proud of the men representing Marquette and fighting for equality for all people.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on August 22, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
We wouldn’t have to have this argument if racism was dead in this country and we lived in a society where equality was true for all.  It isn’t.  I’m proud of the men representing Marquette and fighting for equality for all people.

Amen.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2020, 06:51:25 PM
We wouldn’t have to have this argument if racism was dead in this country and we lived in a society where equality was true for all.  It isn’t.  I’m proud of the men representing Marquette and fighting for equality for all people.
This is an issue in this world. Not just our country. Talk to a Maxican about people from Central and South America. You will be shocked.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 06:56:39 PM
This is an issue in this world. Not just our country. Talk to a Maxican about people from Central and South America. You will be shocked.

Oh, then it's OK.
Our bad.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2020, 06:58:48 PM
This is an issue in this world. Not just our country. Talk to a Maxican about people from Central and South America. You will be shocked.

Well, if that’s the case, I think we should ignore it here.  I’ll send an email to Theo John
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Autoengineer on August 22, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
Here’s a question.  Would everyone be OK if MU basketball put Make America Great Again on their uniforms?  As long as everyone was clear that it’s not Trump’s MAGA slogan, but just literally an attempt to make America better?  Who would disagree with making America great?  OR would some say that the words are too linked to Trump and are inseparable from his platform?   
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on August 22, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: joparks on August 22, 2020, 09:52:19 PM
Great, another thread today for the woke to feel great about themselves as they solve this problem themselves in their own echo chamber.  The first one apparently wasn't enough as there was some dissent on the topic.

Rocky, I took care not to insult the group so you hopefully won't ban me like you have others today, unless woke is now an insult.

Please enjoy this clip as you pat each other on the back for all the good you think you are doing for the world.  Your efforts are laughable by the people you claim to be supporting because they can see right through it.

https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w (https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w)

You know what, people sometimes just want to be treated like people.  Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 10:05:46 PM
Just how many accounts is Cheeks running these days?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2020, 10:13:30 PM
Oh, then it's OK.
Our bad.
Who said it was ok? Read the actual post.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Newsdreams on August 22, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
This is an issue in this world. Not just our country. Talk to a Maxican about people from Central and South America. You will be shocked.
At least learn how to call them by their correct name if you're going to call them out as racist. That would be Mexican. Yes of course racism and racist people exist all over the world. Does that mean we should tolerate it? I'm proud of MU and what the BE is doing. Unfortunately there seem to be too many people here that are uncomfortable when reality is called out. They rather live in their own comfortable little privileged safe space. I guess they didn't learn crap about the true Jesuit mission. 
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 22, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
Is that the racist All Lives Matter movement that doesn't at all recognize the "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression in Black, Brown, Indigenous, and minoritized communities" face?

If you don't capitalize it, I can agree, all lives matter.  But you really just brought that up to make this political again, didn't you?

Odd that hundreds of thousands of brown people try to immigrate into America legally (or illegally) given all of this stated "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression."  Why do you think so many try to immigrate here?

This is 2020, not 1965.  Affirmative action was implemented some time ago.  There are grants and loans available for minorities only to start businesses.  America has elected a Black President. 

Pounding the narrative of America being oppressive to people of color in this day and age is suspect at best, given the millions of thriving "brown" immigrants in America today.   
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2020, 10:20:45 PM
At least learn how to call them by their correct name if you're going to call them out as racist. That would be Mexican. Yes of course racism and racist people exist all over the world. Does that mean we should tolerate it? I'm proud of MU and what the BE is doing. Unfortunately there seem to be too many people here that are uncomfortable when reality is called out. They rather live in their own comfortable little privileged safe space. I guess they didn't learn crap about the true Jesuit mission.
I agree.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Newsdreams on August 22, 2020, 10:22:35 PM
Odd that hundreds of thousands of brown people try to immigrate into America legally (or illegally) given all of this stated "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression."  Why do you think so many try to immigrate here?

This is 2020, not 1965.  Affirmative action was implemented some time ago.  There are grants and loans available for minorities only to start businesses.  America has elected a Black President. 

Pounding the narrative of America being oppressive to people of color in this day and age is suspect at best, given the millions of thriving "brown" immigrants in America today.
Why most come because there is basically a fake narrative that the US is perfect and that they will be treated fairly. Many risk their lives to send meager illegal wages to their families. Some flee for their lives due to violence. But there is this thought that no matter what, you can succeed in the US. Lots of fantastic narratives make their way down towards the South. The oppression of minorities in the US is very real.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Newsdreams on August 22, 2020, 10:24:27 PM
Just how many accounts is Cheeks running these days?
Depends on beers available.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 10:24:38 PM
Who said it was ok? Read the actual post.

Sorry, your post was a lame deflection. The fact that there is ethnic discrimination south of the border is wholly irrelevant to a discussion of racial discrimination in the United States.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 22, 2020, 10:30:34 PM
Odd that hundreds of thousands of brown people try to immigrate into America legally (or illegally) given all of this stated "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression."  Why do you think so many try to immigrate here?

Because they're poor and hungry.
People would rather face discrimination than starvation and death.  That was true of the Irish and Italians in the 19th century and it's true of people across the globe today.
Way to set the bar high.



Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 22, 2020, 11:28:45 PM
Odd that hundreds of thousands of brown people try to immigrate into America legally (or illegally) given all of this stated "prejudice, discrimination, and oppression."  Why do you think so many try to immigrate here?

This is 2020, not 1965.  Affirmative action was implemented some time ago.  There are grants and loans available for minorities only to start businesses.  America has elected a Black President. 

Pounding the narrative of America being oppressive to people of color in this day and age is suspect at best, given the millions of thriving "brown" immigrants in America today.

So you're going with the inequality in this country is actually against WHITE people?

Lol.  Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: joparks on August 23, 2020, 12:16:54 AM
So you're going with the inequality in this country is actually against WHITE people?

Lol.  Ignorance is bliss.

It's odd, but I read Elon's post several times and did not get this impression.  You see when you always look at things through the lens of race, guess what, you always see race.  As a suggestion, you might want to change your glasses or at the very least, sometimes look at life without glasses on.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Newsdreams on August 23, 2020, 12:31:43 AM
It's odd, but I read Elon's post several times and did not get this impression.  You see when you always look at things through the lens of race, guess what, you always see race.  As a suggestion, you might want to change your glasses or at the very least, sometimes look at life without glasses on.
But of course you wouldn't.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: vogue65 on August 23, 2020, 01:52:44 AM


https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w (https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w)

You know what, people sometimes just want to be treated like people.  Nothing more, nothing less.
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Great clip, thank you.
The message is very, very difficult to convey because our society is segregated.
The white liberal is living in a theory, but not living in a real world.  They mean well, but don't have a clue.

I worked for 25 years in an office which was half Afro-American.
Some people in the office liked me some didn't, l liked some people and didn't care for some people.  There were white people who didn't mix well with other white people, some blacks who didn't mix with other Afro-Americans very well.

I live in a very segregated town, perhaps one or two Afro-American families.  The well meaning liberal/progressives have no idea what being black, acting black, being a conservative black, being a southern black, or a racist black, or a black muslim, or a black intelectual, or a black dreadlock wearing person is about.  Why?  Because we are segregated.

Therefore, they just see color, not the person, because they don't know any real, live, feeling, working, playing, laughing, crying, black people.

The military, the post office, the hospital, the government, sports is where we have integration.

I love the white guys who say, why don't the brothers act more white?
I wish we would all say, why don't we all act more human.

And BTW, cops who shoot unarmed people are nothing more than thugs, bullies, and cowards.
Cops who drive around with laydown weapons are criminals.
Cops who kill people in custody are criminals.  A disproportinate number of these atrocities happen to black people, that is why BLM..........

Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 07:23:48 AM
White fragility on full display here on Scoop.

Maybe these players should have attended a different school.  Significant portions of our alumni base have ridiculed and misrepresented something that is important to them, instead of trying to understand further.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: real chili 83 on August 23, 2020, 07:31:55 AM
I need more popcorn for this thread.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on August 23, 2020, 07:53:59 AM
I need more popcorn for this thread.

I'll swing by with a large bucket, r.c.

Maybe we can be joined by a few of our "Afro-American" friends, who no doubt feel great about racism being cured because "America has elected a Black President."

Not sure I'll feel like socializing, though. As a middle-aged white man in America, I am very depressed due to the oppression we all face every day. For hundreds and hundreds of years in this country, the white man hasn't been able to get a single break.

Ners has it right. Y'all don't know what it's like, being male, middle-class and white.

Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 23, 2020, 08:23:10 AM
White fragility on full display here on Scoop.

Maybe these players should have attended a different school.  Significant portions of our alumni base have ridiculed and misrepresented something that is important to them, instead of trying to understand further.
Shut down this racist crap now.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 23, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
Shut down this racist crap now.
Lol
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 08:24:52 AM
It's odd, but I read Elon's post several times and did not get this impression.  You see when you always look at things through the lens of race, guess what, you always see race.  As a suggestion, you might want to change your glasses or at the very least, sometimes look at life without glasses on.

Ahh the whole “I don’t see color” thing. Nice.

He straight up talked about grants that people of color can get. So hey look, not only is this not 1965 anymore, we’ve come so far that black people get things white people can’t. It’s crazy how well we treat minorities in this country!

But he said nothing about race.   :o
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: muwarrior69 on August 23, 2020, 08:28:58 AM

https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w (https://youtu.be/YvIVSe8VH0w)

You know what, people sometimes just want to be treated like people.  Nothing more, nothing less.


Great clip, thank you.
The message is very, very difficult to convey because our society is segregated.
The white liberal is living in a theory, but not living in a real world.  They mean well, but don't have a clue.

I worked for 25 years in an office which was half Afro-American.
Some people in the office liked me some didn't, l liked some people and didn't care for some people.  There were white people who didn't mix well with other white people, some blacks who didn't mix with other Afro-Americans very well.

I live in a very segregated town, perhaps one or two Afro-American families.  The well meaning liberal/progressives have no idea what being black, acting black, being a conservative black, being a southern black, or a racist black, or a black muslim, or a black intelectual, or a black dreadlock wearing person is about.  Why?  Because we are segregated.

Therefore, they just see color, not the person, because they don't know any real, live, feeling, working, playing, laughing, crying, black people.

The military, the post office, the hospital, the government, sports is where we have integration.

I love the white guys who say, why don't the brothers act more white?
I wish we would all say, why don't we all act more human.

And BTW, cops who shoot unarmed people are nothing more than thugs, bullies, and cowards.
Cops who drive around with laydown weapons are criminals.
Cops who kill people in custody are criminals.  A disproportinate number of these atrocities happen to black people, that is why BLM..........

I agree with all you said. Unfortunately the paragraph highlighted in red
are the only black lives that matter to black lives that matter which to me questions their sincerity that all black lives do matter. I wish it were so.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 23, 2020, 08:31:32 AM
Kindness is everything, aina?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 23, 2020, 08:34:56 AM
Kindness is everything, aina?

Indeed
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 23, 2020, 08:55:59 AM
I agree with all you said. Unfortunately the paragraph highlighted in red
are the only black lives that matter to black lives that matter which to me questions their sincerity that all black lives do matter. I wish it were so.

A lie repeated a thousand times ... is still a lie.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: vogue65 on August 23, 2020, 09:12:08 AM
I agree with all you said. Unfortunately the paragraph highlighted in red
are the only black lives that matter to black lives that matter which to me questions their sincerity that all black lives do matter. I wish it were so.

Who says that only black lives matter?

The problem, as I see it, is that blacks are being killed by police more than white people.  Adjust for anything, demographics, class, per capita, and black people are disproportionally killed more. 

Now if the police start killing white people, unarmed white people, things might change.  Until then, which would be another totalitarian issue, BLM.   The fact that I even wrote that comment is embarrissing and very sad.

There are many issues on the table this year.   Getting the criminal justice system under control is a priority.

No justice no peace is the mantra. 

So the future is civil unrest or change and peace.  I may have to become an expatriate.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 23, 2020, 09:13:29 AM
Shut down this racist crap now.

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Calling someone a racist is the saddest and most common response for someone who does not want to debate facts. Grow up.
 

But seriously,  what was racist about the post you quoted?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 09:14:24 AM
But seriously,  what was racist about the post you quoted?


Nothing.  It is easier to deflect and insult rather than to look inward.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: real chili 83 on August 23, 2020, 09:30:08 AM

Nothing.  It is easier to deflect and insult rather than to look inward.

Bingo.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
So you're going with the inequality in this country is actually against WHITE people?

Lol.  Ignorance is bliss.

This was not remotely the point being made, yet you through your infinite ability to always see things through the wrong lens (much like your hot takes on Wojo taking MU to Duke-like success by Year 5) you once again have.

An oppressive, discriminatory country, would not offer incentives/loan programs to minorities, implement affirmative action, nor would it have millions of people of color thriving.

I've started a business, hired hundreds of people during that time, and hired many people of color.  Yet, clowns like you, 82, Pak, Fluffy, and the rest of the "woke" whites toss around accusations of someone being racist because they share a different viewpoint.

Your side wants doesn't think POC can succeed in this country due to this climate of oppression, discrimination, etc.  You want to perpetuate that belief among minorities, instead of pointing toward all of the examples of those thriving, and opportunities available to them.  Why?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 23, 2020, 09:53:13 AM
But seriously,  what was racist about the post you quoted?
"White fragility" is racist. This world has a racist problem but it is not an evil unique to white people. Maybe I'm different since I work and are friends with people of different races and see how there is racist everywhere.

Police kill more white people than any other race. And yes, black people are more likely to be killed per capita than whites, which is horribly wrong.  Any life lost is a tragedy.

In short, white people are not the problem, racist are and they are spreed across the racial platform.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
"White fragility" is racist. This world has a racist problem but it is not an evil unique to white people. Maybe I'm different since I work and are friends with people of different races and see how there is racist everywhere.

Police kill more white people than any other race. And yes, black people are more likely to be killed per capita than whites, which is horribly wrong.  Any life lost is a tragedy.

In short, white people are not the problem, racist are and they are spreed across the racial platform.


White fragility isn't a racist statement.  It describes the defensiveness that some white people engage in when talking about race.

Again, you label it as "racist," and ironically engage in more fragile behavior, instead of confronting the issues at hand.  Very telling.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: vogue65 on August 23, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
This was not remotely the point being made, yet you through your infinite ability to always see things through the wrong lens (much like your hot takes on Wojo taking MU to Duke-like success by Year 5) you once again have.

An oppressive, discriminatory country, would not offer incentives/loan programs to minorities, implement affirmative action, nor would it have millions of people of color thriving.

I've started a business, hired hundreds of people during that time, and hired many people of color.  Yet, clowns like you, 82, Pak, Fluffy, and the rest of the "woke" whites toss around accusations of someone being racist because they share a different viewpoint.

Your side wants doesn't think POC can succeed in this country due to this climate of oppression, discrimination, etc.  You want to perpetuate that belief among minorities, instead of pointing toward all of the examples of those thriving, and opportunities available to them.  Why?

Yes, but not driving while black.  Not trying to make a few dollard selling cigarettes one at a time to poor people.  Not trying to get a good nights sleep before you go back to EMT Covid work, or not as a kid playing with your toy gun.  Please change the law on police immunity, don't change the subject to business opportunity.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
This was not remotely the point being made, yet you through your infinite ability to always see things through the wrong lens (much like your hot takes on Wojo taking MU to Duke-like success by Year 5) you once again have.

An oppressive, discriminatory country, would not offer incentives/loan programs to minorities, implement affirmative action, nor would it have millions of people of color thriving.

I've started a business, hired hundreds of people during that time, and hired many people of color.  Yet, clowns like you, 82, Pak, Fluffy, and the rest of the "woke" whites toss around accusations of someone being racist because they share a different viewpoint.

Your side wants doesn't think POC can succeed in this country due to this climate of oppression, discrimination, etc.  You want to perpetuate that belief among minorities, instead of pointing toward all of the examples of those thriving, and opportunities available to them.  Why?

Like I said, ignorance is bliss.

“I employed black people. I can’t be racist.”

“We have no rules in this country that suppress the chances of success for minorities. Racism doesn’t exist in this country!”

Just plain ignorant.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 10:04:50 AM

I've started a business, hired hundreds of people during that time, and hired many people of color.  Yet, clowns like you, 82, Pak, Fluffy, and the rest of the "woke" whites toss around accusations of someone being racist because they share a different viewpoint.



I think it is clear from your statements that you have, in my opinion, questionable opinions about race.  If that makes you a racist or not, I don't really know.  I just know that I find your statements are at best bizarre and at worst disturbing.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:10:57 AM
"White fragility" is racist. This world has a racist problem but it is not an evil unique to white people. Maybe I'm different since I work and are friends with people of different races and see how there is racist everywhere.

Police kill more white people than any other race. And yes, black people are more likely to be killed per capita than whites, which is horribly wrong.  Any life lost is a tragedy.

In short, white people are not the problem, racist are and they are spreed across the racial platform.

Solid post.  Perhaps one day soon we will see some woke Black professor author a book on Black Fragility.  Some Asian professor offer up a book on Asian Fragility.  A Hispanic professor author a book on Hispanic Fragility.  An Indian professor author a book on Indian Fragility.

I look forward to those forthcoming works, and will then dive into all of the Fragility books so I can better understand fragility from the perspective of the liberal mind. 

BTW - It is true more Blacks are killed by police per capita than whites.  However, Blacks also comprise only 13% of the population yet commit 39% of violent crime.  Perhaps this 3x over-indexing of violence is why some police are more wary when encountering Blacks.  You'd like to think that wouldn't impact behavior, yet it seems it may.

It would be constructive for BLM to begin to discuss and try to find solutions to reduce the violent crime rate perpetrated by Blacks, just as police departments are attempting to improve their culture and implement more training.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 10:13:54 AM
BTW - It is true more Blacks are killed by police per capita than whites.  However, Blacks also comprise only 13% of the population yet commit 39% of violent crime.  Perhaps this 3x over-indexing of violence is why some police are more wary when encountering Blacks.  You'd like to think that wouldn't impact behavior, yet it seems it may.


So in other words "cops have a reason to be racist."  And you wonder why you are labelled.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 10:14:36 AM
Solid post.  Perhaps one day soon we will see some woke Black professor author a book on Black Fragility.  Some Asian professor offer up a book on Asian Fragility.  A Hispanic professor author a book on Hispanic Fragility.  An Indian professor author a book on Indian Fragility.

I look forward to those forthcoming works, and will then dive into all of the Fragility books so I can better understand fragility from the perspective of the liberal mind. 


No need to read a work.  Just read your posts.

And to be fair, your fragility goes way beyond your views on race.  You're fragile about pretty much anything. 
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: vogue65 on August 23, 2020, 10:16:25 AM
"White fragility" is racist. This world has a racist problem but it is not an evil unique to white people. Maybe I'm different since I work and are friends with people of different races and see how there is racist everywhere.

Police kill more white people than any other race. And yes, black people are more likely to be killed per capita than whites, which is horribly wrong.  Any life lost is a tragedy.

In short, white people are not the problem, racist are and they are spreed across the racial platform.

FIRST THINGS FIRST, let's change the police culture, the police immunity laws, the police unions, then we can address the other issues.

Are we saying that we will hand out a few jobs to keep blacks quiet and continue to kill them with impunity?  That is what BLM is about.  It isn't aboud affirmative action, desegration of schools,
better housing, clean water, or the right to vote.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:17:29 AM
Like I said, ignorance is bliss.

“I employed black people. I can’t be racist.”

“We have no rules in this country that suppress the chances of success for minorities. Racism doesn’t exist in this country!”

Just plain ignorant.

What rules are in place to suppress the chances of success for minorities?  Also, how much money have you put into the pockets of minorities through creating jobs?  What are you doing to improve the quality of life for POC, besides being a loudmouth on a message board? Knowing you aren't an entrepreneur, what percentage of your income/salary are you donating to minority charities/causes/communities?

Talk is cheap, but it is typically all a lightweight has to offer. 

Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 10:18:33 AM

So in other words "cops have a reason to be racist."  And you wonder why you are labelled.

Bingo.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 23, 2020, 10:21:51 AM

White fragility isn't a racist statement.  It describes the defensiveness that some white people engage in when talking about race.

Again, you label it as "racist," and ironically engage in more fragile behavior, instead of confronting the issues at hand.  Very telling.
You have an anti white agenda. I live in the real world of all races that is great but has some issues.

I have no issues to confront. I was raised to respect everyone of any color or race.

I guess we will agree to disagree.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 10:22:34 AM
What rules are in place to suppress the chances of success for minorities?  Also, how much money have you put into the pockets of minorities through creating jobs?  What are you doing to improve the quality of life for POC, besides being a loudmouth on a message board? Knowing you aren't an entrepreneur, what percentage of your income/salary are you donating to minority charities/causes/communities?

Talk is cheap, but it is typically all a lightweight has to offer.

Reread the post. You’re so hellbent on telling yourself it’s not your problem that you get so excited to make a counterpoint that matches exactly what I said.

Because you have black friends, black employees, black teammates, etc. does not mean you can’t be a racist.

But hey, a lot of people being “cancelled” by the Me Too movement hire females. They can’t be sexist or harass females, they’re giving females a living!

Get a clue.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 23, 2020, 10:30:00 AM
I have no issues to confront. I was raised to respect everyone of any color or race.

Fragility at its finest.

And I don't have an "anti-white" agenda.  So silly.


Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: jficke13 on August 23, 2020, 10:31:06 AM
Is someone going to be wearing a patch? I came here because something about this thread made me think there was going to be a patch, but found something else.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 23, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
BTW - It is true more Blacks are killed by police per capita than whites.  However, Blacks also comprise only 13% of the population yet commit 39% of violent crime.

Why is this the case?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:36:18 AM

No need to read a work.  Just read your posts.

And to be fair, your fragility goes way beyond your views on race.  You're fragile about pretty much anything.

I wouldn't call it fragility.  I'd call it incredulousness.  I am astounded when I encounter idiocy.  Unfortunately, there is so much of it put forth here by you, Wades (BLM), MU82, Pakuni, Brewcity.  A sampling:

 - Guys who thought Derrick Wilson was a better PG option than Junior Cadougan.

 - Guys who thought Wojo was the goods, and would lead us to Duke like success once he had "all his guys."

 - Guys who thought Larry Williams was the sh$t, and didn't think he was running off Buzz.

 - And now woke White "men" who ultimately submit to narratives put forth by radical groups such as BLM, without so much as questioning cause/effect nor being assertive enough to actually attempt to foster a two-sided debate.  BLM wants nothing to do with having a real conversation about race in America.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 23, 2020, 10:37:25 AM
I stand with Theo. And like he said, if you can't support him in this, don't bother supporting him on the court.

If you want to spew racist memes like All Lives Matter, go find yourself some other, more racist team and league to support.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 10:39:40 AM
I wouldn't call it fragility.  I'd call it incredulousness.  I am astounded when I encounter idiocy.  Unfortunately, there is so much of it put forth here by you, Wades (BLM), MU82, Pakuni, Brewcity.  A sampling:

 - Guys who thought Derrick Wilson was a better PG option than Junior Cadougan.

 - Guys who thought Wojo was the goods, and would lead us to Duke like success once he had "all his guys."

 - Guys who thought Larry Williams was the sh$t, and didn't think he was running off Buzz.

 - And now woke White "men" who ultimately submit to narratives put forth by radical groups such as BLM, without so much as questioning cause/effect nor being assertive enough to actually attempt to foster a two-sided debate.  BLM wants nothing to do with having a real conversation about race in America.

But hey, you employed black people so officially not a racist!

Good job Ners!
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: mu_hilltopper on August 23, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/2UCt7zbmsLoCXybx6t/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 23, 2020, 10:41:31 AM
You have an anti white agenda. I live in the real world of all races that is great but has some issues.

Every time you post here, you literally are proving Fluffy's point about white fragility.
The need to convince a bunch of anonymous internet people that you don't see color (a blatant lie ... we all see color). The insistence that you have no issues. The whataboutism. The deflection. The aggrievement.
These are the very elements of white fragility. You are the case study.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 23, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
Fragility at its finest.

And I don't have an "anti-white" agenda.  So silly.
LOL! Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:42:42 AM

So in other words "cops have a reason to be racist."  And you wonder why you are labelled.

Only you in your small mind would perceive that statement in such a way.  Or wait, Wades/BLM too. 

Again, you, like BLM, don't want to have a conversation to foster progress.  There is nothing "racist" about what I posted. 

Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 23, 2020, 10:43:34 AM
Do the lives of business owners on Michigan Ave. matter? Does the life of the Wendy's franchisee in Atlanta, whose store got burned down, matter? Or, is this just necessary destruction needed to facilitate the revolution? Hate has no home here, aina?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:45:28 AM
Reread the post. You’re so hellbent on telling yourself it’s not your problem that you get so excited to make a counterpoint that matches exactly what I said.

Because you have black friends, black employees, black teammates, etc. does not mean you can’t be a racist.

But hey, a lot of people being “cancelled” by the Me Too movement hire females. They can’t be sexist or harass females, they’re giving females a living!

Get a clue.

Why didn't you answer my questions?  I'm curious per your statements.

- What rules are in place that suppress minorities being successful?

- How much of your income are you donating to help communities of color?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 23, 2020, 10:46:15 AM
"White fragility" is racist. This world has a racist problem but it is not an evil unique to white people. Maybe I'm different since I work and are friends with people of different races and see how there is racist everywhere.

Police kill more white people than any other race. And yes, black people are more likely to be killed per capita than whites, which is horribly wrong.  Any life lost is a tragedy.

In short, white people are not the problem, racist are and they are spreed across the racial platform.

Do you know what white fragility actually is, where the term comes from?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/white-fragility?s=t

Quote
the tendency among members of the dominant white cultural group to have a defensive, wounded, angry, or dismissive response to evidence of racism.

I'm sure we can agree that this phenomenon exists. I'm not sure how it could be considered a racist term.

The term was first coined by Robin DeAngelo in 2011. I've read her book, I recommend it if you are curious to learn more.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
Why didn't you answer my questions?  I'm curious per your statements.

- What rules are in place that suppress minorities being successful?

- How much of your income are you donating to help communities of color?

Reread what I said and your first question is answered.

And I love that you and warriorpilot love to flaunt your donations lol. I bet it makes you feel great to donate money just so you can tell everyone how much money you donate. Those are the best kinds of people.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 10:48:53 AM
Do the lives of business owners on Michigan Ave. matter? Does the life of the Wendy's franchisee in Atlanta, whose store got burned down, matter? Or, is this just necessary destruction needed to facilitate the revolution? Hate has no home here, aina?

BLM is responsible for the looters but NRA is not responsible for the shooters, ai’na doc?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: WhiteTrash on August 23, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
Every time you post here, you literally are proving Fluffy's point about white fragility.
The need to convince a bunch of anonymous internet people that you don't see color (a blatant lie ... we all see color). The insistence that you have no issues. The whataboutism. The deflection. The aggrievement.
These are the very elements of white fragility. You are the case study.
Thank you for making my point.

Also, I NEVER said I don't see color. That is a complete lie.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 10:50:58 AM
Do the lives of business owners on Michigan Ave. matter? Does the life of the Wendy's franchisee in Atlanta, whose store got burned down, matter? Or, is this just necessary destruction needed to facilitate the revolution? Hate has no home here, aina?

No they don't Doc. 

What's odd is why the revolution feels it needs to destroy the property of people they don't even know.  People that had nothing to do with the cause of their outrage.

If protestors really want to create change, and vent their frustrations, they should look no further than to their elected officials in their cities.  Oddly, they vote those people in at a rate of 9 to 1.  Cities are run by liberals.  Minneapolis is among the most liberal cities in America, and there continue to be these incidents.

If nothing changes, nothing changes.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 23, 2020, 10:53:22 AM
There's no problem in Chicago or Portland. What you see on television is simply propaganda, hey?
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on August 23, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/2UCt7zbmsLoCXybx6t/giphy.gif)

Seems like a lot of people need a hug today. 
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Pakuni on August 23, 2020, 10:57:23 AM
There's no problem in Chicago or Portland. What you see on television is simply propaganda, hey?

If Black Lives Matter is responsible for the looting, conservatives are responsible for El Paso and Charlottesville.
Personally, I don't believe either are responsible for the criminal actions of unaffiliated parties, but if you insist on making such connections, make them both ways. Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: MU82 on August 23, 2020, 10:58:45 AM
I wouldn't call it fragility.  I'd call it incredulousness.  I am astounded when I encounter idiocy.  Unfortunately, there is so much of it put forth here by you, Wades (BLM), MU82, Pakuni, Brewcity.  A sampling:

 - Guys who thought Derrick Wilson was a better PG option than Junior Cadougan.

 - Guys who thought Wojo was the goods, and would lead us to Duke like success once he had "all his guys."

 - Guys who thought Larry Williams was the sh$t, and didn't think he was running off Buzz.

 - And now woke White "men" who ultimately submit to narratives put forth by radical groups such as BLM, without so much as questioning cause/effect nor being assertive enough to actually attempt to foster a two-sided debate.  BLM wants nothing to do with having a real conversation about race in America.

This is where we're going now? From a guy who ...

- Thought that Magic Dawson was the PG answer for a high-major school.

- Thought that Magic Dawson was a better college basketball player than Rowsey.

- Insisted that a perfectly executed play that helped pull out a miracle victory was stupidly designed.

- Bragged that he knows more about basketball than anybody else because he allegedly dunked in a high school game.

- And now is an extremely un-woke and resentful racist who actually thinks Obama having been elected "proves" that there is no systemic racism in America.

Maybe launch into another diatribe about how all those filthy Black folks have made life unlivable for you, Ners. That one was particularly non-racist of you!

Black Lives Matter. We Are Marquette.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: Elonsmusk on August 23, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Reread what I said and your first question is answered.

And I love that you and warriorpilot love to flaunt your donations lol. I bet it makes you feel great to donate money just so you can tell everyone how much money you donate. Those are the best kinds of people.

Go ahead and repost what you said, and how it answered the question.  You put forth the statement that there are rules in place to suppress minorities success in this country.  I want to know, what, specific rules those are.

I don't donate anything.  Never said I did.  But I at least put some money into the pockets of minorities through my business - which of course you tried to dismiss and ridicule.  You?  You haven't done that, and clearly, you aren't even donating any of your salary to causes/charities for communities of color.  So, per usual, all you are is a blowhard loudmouth full of hot air and no substance. 
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: wadesworld on August 23, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Go ahead and repost what you said, and how it answered the question.  You put forth the statement that there are rules in place to suppress minorities success in this country.  I want to know, what, specific rules those are.

I don't donate anything.  Never said I did.  But I at least put some money into the pockets of minorities through my business - which of course you tried to dismiss and ridicule.  You?  You haven't done that, and clearly, you aren't even donating any of your salary to causes/charities for communities of color.  So, per usual, all you are is a blowhard loudmouth full of hot air and no substance. 

Lol okay I will. Now maybe you’ll slow down and reread it? I know you’re all amped up to tell people you aren’t racist so you want to get typing. But what I said is the exact opposite of what you claim.

Thank you for your service though.

Seriously. What a clown lol.

Like I said, ignorance is bliss.

“I employed black people. I can’t be racist.”

“We have no rules in this country that suppress the chances of success for minorities. Racism doesn’t exist in this country!”

Just plain ignorant.
Title: Re: BIG EAST basketball will wear BLM patches for 2020-2021
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 23, 2020, 11:07:40 AM
Happy Sunday everyone.

Despite any outrage, BE teams are still gonna wear the BLM patch.  That's all.  I feel sorry for you if you can't support it.