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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jsglow on October 30, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
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I'm going with Markus, Chartouny, Matty, Sacar and Sammy. But I have no earthy idea really. I also have no reason to believe that what happens tonight is permanent in any way.
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I'm going with Markus, Chartouny, Matty, Sacar and Sammy. But I have no earthy idea really. I also have no reason to believe that what happens tonight is permanent in any way.
I'd prefer Morrow starting at the 4 and Sacar coming off the bench for a spark.
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I'm going with Markus, Chartouny, Matty, Sacar and Sammy. But I have no earthy idea really. I also have no reason to believe that what happens tonight is permanent in any way.
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I'd prefer Morrow starting at the 4 and Sacar coming off the bench for a spark.
That was my other consideration. :)
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I will go with Sacar. He has earned that spot as of now.
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A bit of a cop out but I do think this season will be the ultimate in starters are who earned it in practice and starters won't necessarily play starter minutes.
I think a typical starting line-up will be Chartouny, Markus, Sacar, Sam, and Matt.....however I think Morrow and Cain ultimately get more minutes in a game than Matt or Sacar.
Here's a line-up question, if Sacar can play the point at all, do we see a Sacar, Cain, Sam, Bailey, Morrow/Theo line-up? I don't know why but I kind of salivate over that on both ends of the floor. You could swap Sacar for Chartouny but I love Sacar's slashing and physical defense with the shooting and height of the rest of that line-up.
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I'd prefer Morrow starting at the 4 and Sacar coming off the bench for a spark.
Yeah I think Morrow starts at 4 and then we could see a line change with Theo, Joey, Sacar, and BB coming off bench with Cain coming in later and Markus taking PG duties for a while, then JC coming back in to give Markus rest. Then Markus and Sam come back with a lineup of those playing best/hardest.
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The lineup could and probably will change as the season moves along. But, for tonight and UMBC, its probably last year's lineup with Chartouny in for Rowsey.
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And I'm going to agree with Eng that starting doesn't mean most minutes. I think this especially applies to Matt.
I'm also one of these guys who for some dumb reason pays attention to the introduction order. I guess that goes back to 'And from North Carolina' here in Chicago. And truth be told, I have no recollection if Wojo pays any attention to it. Was Rowsey routinely the last intro last year? Anyway, intros start with Matty and end with Markus. Again, I have no idea but that's what I'd do.
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Here's a line-up question, if Sacar can play the point at all, do we see a Sacar, Cain, Sam, Bailey, Morrow/Theo line-up? I don't know why but I kind of salivate over that on both ends of the floor. You could swap Sacar for Chartouny but I love Sacar's slashing and physical defense with the shooting and height of the rest of that line-up.
I just had flashbacks to Joe Chapman playing PG. Yikes!
Don't overthink it ENG. Anim is not anywhere close to a PG.
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My prediction for tonight:
Chartouney
Howard
Anim
S. Hauser
Heldt
Vets get the benefit of the doubt early, while the youngsters fight to overtake them. I expect Anim and Heldt to come off the bench later in the year. The starters and rotation will evolve throughout the year as Wojo discovers what lineups work best.
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And I'm going to agree with Eng that starting doesn't mean most minutes. I think this especially applies to Matt.
I'm also one of these guys who for some dumb reason pays attention to the introduction order. I guess that goes back to 'And from North Carolina' here in Chicago. And truth be told, I have no recollection if Wojo pays any attention to it. Was Rowsey routinely the last intro last year? Anyway, intros start with Matty and end with Markus. Again, I have no idea but that's what I'd do.
Seniors usually will go last.
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Seniors usually will go last.
100% true. Is that going to apply to Matty? I would personally be very happy for him. He's right up there as one of my favorite players in recent years. And that's not because he's anywhere near the most talented.
Anyway, it's great to have hoops back.
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I just had flashbacks to Joe Chapman playing PG. Yikes!
Don't overthink it ENG. Anim is not anywhere close to a PG.
I was wondering if I had missed some bit of news about Sacar getting run at PG. Nothing I've ever seen from him indicated any sort of PG ability, at least offensively.
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Howard
Anim
S. Hauser
Morrow
Heldt
Don't know that Chartouney is guaranteed starter.
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Here's a line-up question, if Sacar can play the point at all, do we see a Sacar, Cain, Sam, Bailey, Morrow/Theo line-up? I don't know why but I kind of salivate over that on both ends of the floor. You could swap Sacar for Chartouny but I love Sacar's slashing and physical defense with the shooting and height of the rest of that line-up.
No, not a point guard, but definitely a solid 2 with all that slashing and defense you mentioned, and opening up another Big on the floor.
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I was wondering if I had missed some bit of news about Sacar getting run at PG. Nothing I've ever seen from him indicated any sort of PG ability, at least offensively.
Here's the question....who is the 3rd string PG? Not saying we have to go to the 3rd string PG much but there definitely would be a time or two when Chartouny and Howard are in some sort of foul/fatigue situation, ordinarily I'd say Greg but he's not available until at least conference season.
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Here's the question....who is the 3rd string PG? Not saying we have to go to the 3rd string PG much but there definitely would be a time or two when Chartouny and Howard are in some sort of foul/fatigue situation, ordinarily I'd say Greg but he's not available until at least conference season.
Sammy? It's not crazy Eng.
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Joseph
M2N
Sam
Ed
Matt
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Joseph
M2N
Sam
Ed
Matt
Sam is going to play the Stretch 4, that is really his position as he does not have enough foot speed to guard a 3, brings a big outside. Morrow is going to play the
5 more than you think. With Joey, so in the future, it could be M2N, Joe, Sacar, Sam and Ed. But tonight I see Matt starting even though he his the third best center but he is a senior.
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Joseph
M2N
Sam
Ed
Matt
This. I don't know what DC's rambling about. Definitely don't want to be rolling with a 6-7 center for more than a handful of possessions.
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Sam is going to play the Stretch 4, that is really his position as he does not have enough foot speed to guard a 3, brings a big outside. Morrow is going to play the
5 more than you think. With Joey, so in the future, it could be M2N, Joe, Sacar, Sam and Ed. But tonight I see Matt starting even though he his the third best center but he is a senior.
I agree w/Ed getting time at 5 against certain comp, but disagree with the rest.
Can the mods setup a GOOD chat tonight or do we do the ghetto chatzy thing again??
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I agree w/Ed getting time at 5 against certain comp, but disagree with the rest.
Can the mods setup a GOOD chat tonight or do we do the ghetto chatzy thing again??
That's racist^^^^^ Ban dis guy
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Sammy? It's not crazy Eng.
I’d agree with this. I’m always most at ease when he has the ball in a press break. I could see him getting the ball up the court and passing to a wing quickly.
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Howard
Anim
S. Hauser
Morrow
Heldt
Don't know that Chartouney is guaranteed starter.
Chartouny didn't transfer to MKE to come off the bench. They're giving him the keys at point.
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Chartouny didn't transfer to MKE to come off the bench. They're given him the keys at point.
This. Wojo recruited him for 2 reasons. Initiating the offense and on ball D. He's going to be doing that 25+ minutes a game.
Let's all try to remember to give the young man a break when he goes 1-4 from deep.
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I agree w/Ed getting time at 5 against certain comp, but disagree with the rest.
Can the mods setup a GOOD chat tonight or do we do the ghetto chatzy thing again??
I still say Sam plays more of a 4, so you do not like M2N, Joe and Sacar starting? Ed plays like a center, in the 3 practices I have seen he plays like Pat Smith, never
outside the 3 foot lane. It might be at times, Joey, Sam and Ed. Theo will get 20 minutes a game. Cain and Bailey will get 15-18 minutes as well. Matt maybe 10.
Should be interesting.
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Can the mods setup a GOOD chat tonight or do we do the ghetto chatzy thing again??
Good? The Gameday Chat link on the site will be active...
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Good? The Gameday Chat link on the site will be active...
Does JayBee own shares of BlackBerry he's trying to prop up?
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Chartouny didn't transfer to MKE to come off the bench. They're giving him the keys at point.
We have this convo every year with the new transfer. Reinhardt, Rowsey, Carlino. They all came to play, guess what they are going to do.
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Of course he will play. The question is will he start?
Reinhardt spent most of the season coming off the bench.
Starting no matter.......minutes matter.
I could see it going either way with Joe. Without GE we really only have 2 guys capable of being primary ball handlers.....might want to stagger them to start the game.
Getting either or both in foul trouble early will be big trouble vs the better teams on our non conference schedule.
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Starting matters.
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Listen. I love Markus. Will back him up in any argument. But honestly, after last year, how many of us scoopers really think joesph isn’t starting?
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Markus
Sacar
Brendan
Sam
Theo
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Players may prefer it......but they would rather play 25 minutes off the bench then be a token starter like we have had in the past.
Reinhardt didn't care.......even passed on the chance to start on senior day.
At the end if the day a coach will do what is best for the team.......as he should.
Crowder probably preferred to start as a junior......but when he couldn't stay out of foul trouble he ended up coming off the bench.
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Starting matters.
The same way FT% does. Sure it matters on some level but not a significant one. Who plays the first few minutes is not as important who plays the most minutes
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Markus
Sacar
Brendan
Sam
Theo
Yeah I can see this, or another having a 4th shooter with Joey in place of Theo.
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How do you get players "the most minutes?" You play them early and often.
What turned our season around 2 seasons ago? Inserting Andrew Rowsey into the starting lineup.
There's a reason you won't see a starting lineup of Heldt, Theo, Ike, Cain, and Sacar/Joey/Bailey this season.
Starting matters.
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There's a reason you won't see a starting lineup of Heldt, Theo, Ike, Cain, and Sacar/Joey/Bailey this season.
Will we see that lineup ever though?
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Joe C.
Howard
Heldt
S. Hauser
Morrow
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How do you get players "the most minutes?" You play them early and often.
Sure that's one way to do it. I don't think there's a requirement that it needs to be starting. I think Jae Crowder got plenty of minutes despite Erik Williams starting over him.
What turned our season around 2 seasons ago? Inserting Andrew Rowsey into the starting lineup.
Might have had something to do with it. But increasing Andrew's minutes from 18.3 per game to 30.2 per game probably had a lot more to do with it.
There's a reason you won't see a starting lineup of Heldt, Theo, Ike, Cain, and Sacar/Joey/Bailey this season.
Yes there is a reason. That lineup would suck and you would never see it an a game ever. It has nothing to do with starting.
Starting matters.
If you want to make an argument that psychologically some players do better when they start or come off the bench, fine. But there is nothing magical about the first possession of the game that makes it more important than any other possession throughout the game. Who plays the most tells you a lot more than who plays first. Starting no matta
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Sure that's one way to do it. I don't think there's a requirement that it needs to be starting. I think Jae Crowder got plenty of minutes despite Erik Williams starting over him.
Might have had something to do with it. But increasing Andrew's minutes from 18.3 per game to 30.2 per game probably had a lot more to do with it.
Yes there is a reason. That lineup would suck and you would never see it an a game ever. It has nothing to do with starting.
If you want to make an argument that psychologically some players do better when they start or come off the bench, fine. But there is nothing magical about the first possession of the game that makes it more important than any other possession throughout the game. Who plays the most tells you a lot more than who plays first. Starting no matta
If the last 4 minutes of a game are all going on with a 20 point difference then the first possession of a game is far, far more important than the last possession of a game. Starting is very important.
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If the last 4 minutes of a game are all going on with a 20 point difference then the first possession of a game is far, far more important than the last possession of a game. Starting is very important.
I have yet to see a 20 point swing on one possession. Starting no matta. Minutes matter, and line-up in crunch time matters.
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Yeah I can see this, or another having a 4th shooter with Joey in place of Theo.
I like your line-up, the question gets to be the fragile emotions of players. Some just want to start. I started as a senior in HS, if I did not make my first shot, I know
I was the first to taken out. Finally, I said to the coach, I do not need to start. So after 4 minutes I was in. I am sure I played the rest of the game then. Did not bother
me that I did not start.
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Starting only seems to be "very important" because it usually correlates with the top 5 players in terms of minutes. I'm not going to argue that it is completely unimportant, but really it doesn't matter a whole lot.
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If the last 4 minutes of a game are all going on with a 20 point difference then the first possession of a game is far, far more important than the last possession of a game. Starting is very important.
Isn't the most important possession the next one? ;D
I'm sorry Wades, score is irrelevant to the conversation. You can score just as many points in a single possession when down by 20 as you can when tied at the beginning of the game. All possessions are equal. We fans just tend to emphasize the first one and the last few for some reason.
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JC
Markus
Sacar
Sam
Joey
I think I'm most excited to see Bailey though. He looks so smooth in every video I see.
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Markus
Chartouny
Sam
Morrow
Heldt
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https://twitter.com/cf_gardner/status/1057397881009782784?s=21
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https://twitter.com/cf_gardner/status/1057397881009782784?s=21
That's interesting. Does Gardner tweet in teal? Or is Wojo rewarding good practice or sending a message by starting walk ons in a meaningless exhibition?
Or is Wojo so confident that we are going to beat Carroll using only walkons?
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https://twitter.com/cf_gardner/status/1057397881009782784?s=21
Maybe this is a way to keep it as a "soft open" for MU at the Fiserv?
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There is no way that Chartouny and Markus are not playing the majority of minutes together
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Wojo got the message that starting doesn't matter.
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I like your line-up, the question gets to be the fragile emotions of players. Some just want to start. I started as a senior in HS, if I did not make my first shot, I know
I was the first to taken out. Finally, I said to the coach, I do not need to start. So after 4 minutes I was in. I am sure I played the rest of the game then. Did not bother
me that I did not start.
I think those are the types of solutions you look for in recruiting a player's character. But as many have said, Starters may not have the most minutes with the depth and talent on this team. Heck many may not be on the floor in the last few minute.
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Hardest workers in practice?
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This does not bode well for the season when walk-ons start over our scholarship players. I guess we are really going to suck this season.
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This does not bode well for the season when walk-ons start over our scholarship players. I guess we are really going to suck this season.
Yes...We're doomed!
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Theo not playing......thumb injury according to John Steppe
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Darn
https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1057408376974520326?s=21
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Darn
https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1057408376974520326?s=21
Way to steer clear of another Hiroshima. pretty boy
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WOW. That’s a surprising starting lineup. No joesph.
Bailey staring and Morrow with Hauser and sacar.
Man I just don’t see Howard as a starting PG.
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Howard
Bailey
Anim
Hauser
Morrow
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Darn
https://twitter.com/jsteppe1/status/1057408376974520326?s=21
More mind games by Wojo
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I’m
Just so surprised.
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We gone hafta #banCharlie?
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Ike in street clothes as well. More back problems?
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Bailey
Morrow
Anim
Hauser
Howard
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Bailey
Morrow
Anim
Hauser
Howard
Not surprised with Morrow at the 5. Stunned at no JC.
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Not surprised with Morrow at the 5. Stunned at no JC.
Still learning the system I think. Plus no Elliott means they might need to stagger Howard and JC more.
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This may be no different than the open practices, where Wojo tried basically every conceivable different lineup to see what works best. I wouldn't read too much into Joseph not starting this game. He still played 24-25 minutes. (Sacar got the most court time with 28 minutes.)
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I had the starting lineup correct except for Ed instead of Theo. If Theo is healthy, I think I had it pegged. It really doesn't matter. Joey, Ed, Jamal, Joe, Matt...if any one of those guys starts a game this year I won't be surprised.
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Why was Theo in civies? Who were other 3 guy at the end of the bench....not suited up?
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According to the JSonline article, Theo has a thumb injury and was held out as a precaution. Ike Eke, Greg Elliott and Koby McEwen were also in street clothes.
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Not surprised with Morrow at the 5. Stunned at no JC.
You're "stunned" because a graduate transfer didn't start an exhibition game? Starting line-ups evolve. He will get plenty of playing time.
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Wojo after the game:
"I really think, with our group, we have eight - maybe nine - guys that could start for us. Starting is a nice badge of honor and every kid wants that. But we need to be a team that more than five guys consider themselves starters."
Bingo!
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Still learning the system I think. Plus no Elliott means they might need to stagger Howard and JC more.
This, obviously.
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The starting line up will vary by opponent.....
UMBC actually has decent size......So a Morrow, Markus, Sam, Anim, Bailey line-up.....
Next game somebody different......
Too much depth and equality......Markus and Sam.....Then pick 3......
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According to the JSonline article, Theo has a thumb injury and was held out as a precaution. Ike Eke, Greg Elliott and Koby McEwen were also in street clothes.
I predict Koby will be in street clothes every game.
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I predict Koby will be in street clothes every game.
I predict he won't even travel with the team to many games. Maybe Chicago.
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I predict he won't even travel with the team to many games. Maybe Chicago.
I predict he will only practice this year
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I predict he will only practice this year
I predict his average minutes per game will be 0.0
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The starting line up will vary by opponent.....
UMBC actually has decent size......So a Morrow, Markus, Sam, Anim, Bailey line-up.....
Next game somebody different......
Too much depth and equality......Markus and Sam.....Then pick 3......
I think Joe has to start and get the majority of minutes at the 1 until someone else can show they're comfortable running the point too. Plus, in the early season, we're probably still going to see experienced guys play more minutes until the new guys get more comfortable.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe, Markus, Sacar, Sam, and Ed/Matt get the start for the first 5 games or so. Other guys may get more minutes, but setting the tone early with older guys could help ease younger guys in.
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How much will Joey Hauser play/score? I have him in fantasy league.
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How much will Joey Hauser play/score? I have him in fantasy league.
Honestly, nobody has a damn clue at this point.
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Honestly, nobody has a damn clue at this point.
That Greek with the Lantern is searching for you.
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Ike eke not suiting up tonight
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Ike eke not suiting up tonight
Hoping Ike gets healthy soon. A top quality individual.
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Per #mubb twitter: Howard, Bailey, Anim, Hauser, Morrow
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Chartouny.......starting no matter
https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/1927010002?__twitter_impression=true
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Love the mindset of this team. Not to go all Ners but one of the teams I played on in HS went 11 deep, almost all players starting quality, and big minutes varied by game. Our coach did a great job of managing our mindset so that any given game you could be called on to play a more outsized role. Kept everyone engaged & laser focused whether you played 8 min or 28 min that game. We went 23-1 that year. Least amount of PT I ever got, most fun I ever had on a court. I see signs of that with this squad, it's great
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Love the mindset of this team. Not to go all Ners but one of the teams I played on in HS went 11 deep, almost all players starting quality, and big minutes varied by game. Our coach did a great job of managing our mindset so that any given game you could be called on to play a more outsized role. Kept everyone engaged & laser focused whether you played 8 min or 28 min that game. We went 23-1 that year. Least amount of PT I ever got, most fun I ever had on a court. I see signs of that with this squad, it's great
Yeah, but did you dunk?
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Yeah, but did you dunk?
Ha!
No :(
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Just downright disrespectful
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-04-2015/gEkzLn.gif)
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Can you please stop?
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I had a game tonight, so I missed all the Scoop fun.
BTW, we won -- played probably our best all-around game of the season -- and are in the conference championship game tomorrow night.
That's some damn good assistant coaching right there!