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Title: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 25, 2024, 07:45:53 AM
Who've you got?   How do the Bears screw it up?  What will the Pack do at the end of round 1?  The Vikings have to try to get a QB, don't they?    How many QBs go how early?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 07:49:40 AM
Who've you got?   How do the Bears screw it up?  What will the Pack do at the end of round 1?  The Vikings have to try to get a QB, don't they?    How many QBs go how early?

Packers need to replace their idiot kicker but are set at QB for another decade (probably, maybe).
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2024, 07:59:24 AM
Bears don’t get the card in in time. Caleb to Commanders.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2024, 08:06:20 AM
Packers need to replace their idiot kicker but are set at QB for another decade (probably, maybe).

They have three kickers on their roster
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 25, 2024, 08:10:19 AM
Pretty sure its OL for the Packers. They need a safety, but they're easier to get later.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:12:18 AM
They have three kickers on their roster

When you have three kickers, you have zero kickers, imo
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 25, 2024, 08:13:37 AM
Bears will pass on Caleb Williams after learning that none of this teammates were at his 21st birthday party.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 25, 2024, 08:25:57 AM
Bravo.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2024, 08:29:05 AM
Pretty sure its OL for the Packers. They need a safety, but they're easier to get later.

I think there is a good chance they trade up to get Cooper DeJean.

I think there is a good chance they trade back to take Edgerrin Cooper

I think there is a good chance they stay where they are to take Tyler Guyton or J. Powers-Johnson
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 25, 2024, 08:34:03 AM
I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal.  On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available.   I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.   
DB
DL
OL
WR

They already have their projected starters in place.   These can all be developmental/depth picks.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: wadesworld on April 25, 2024, 09:21:25 AM
I see Gery Woelful Tweeting that he's watching for the Packers to trade away picks this year to add picks for next year when the Packers host the NFL Draft. I'm sure that's on the front of their mind going into this Draft. Have a very young team that was a bad fourth quarter away from playing in Detroit for a chance to go to the Super Bowl (where they had just won), have a few holes to fill, but let's sell picks so that we can build excitement for a year from now in a city that already sells out Family Night.

The guy is the best.  I remember when The Fan still had him as their "Bucks insider" after the Bucks had taken away his media credentials.  High quality stuff.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 09:46:50 AM
I see Gery Woelful Tweeting that he's watching for the Packers to trade away picks this year to add picks for next year when the Packers host the NFL Draft. I'm sure that's on the front of their mind going into this Draft. Have a very young team that was a bad fourth quarter away from playing in Detroit for a chance to go to the Super Bowl (where they had just won), have a few holes to fill, but let's sell picks so that we can build excitement for a year from now in a city that already sells out Family Night.

The guy is the best.  I remember when The Fan still had him as their "Bucks insider" after the Bucks had taken away his media credentials.  High quality stuff.

He has his pulse on the finger of his toilet
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: JWags85 on April 25, 2024, 12:17:45 PM
Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert.  That would certainly be something
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 12:30:32 PM
Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert.  That would certainly be something

From Chargers perspective, that would make some sense.  Complete reboot and a ton of flexibility financially.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 25, 2024, 12:32:11 PM
Hope the teams drafting QBs did their research on who showed up to birthday parties.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 25, 2024, 12:44:20 PM
Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert.  That would certainly be something

That would cost the Chargers $44.5 million in dead cap, which is way more than the cap space they have available.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MuggsyB on April 25, 2024, 01:06:50 PM
What's the honest assessment on C.Williams? 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2024, 01:08:03 PM
What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?

He is a QB from USC who will probably be drafted first overall by the Bears.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 01:14:40 PM
What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?

One of the first Gen-Z QBs.  Meatheads can’t and won’t understand him. 

Played in an offense that required little in the way of progressions and allowed a lot of freelancing.

Great athlete, competitor and hates losing.  With good coaching, can be a superstar



Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MuggsyB on April 25, 2024, 01:15:21 PM
Is he a franchise QB?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 01:19:09 PM
Is he a franchise QB?

Can be, yes.  The bigger problem is the organization drafting him.  He’ll have to transcend their ineptitude.  Joe Burrow has done it in Cincinnati
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 25, 2024, 01:20:41 PM
Is he a franchise QB?

I mean...he addressed that.

With good coaching, can be a superstar

There will be growing pains, but he very well could be. Way higher ceiling than Fields.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MuggsyB on April 25, 2024, 01:29:22 PM
Well that's somewhat positive.  Sid Luckman was awhile ago. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Plaque Lives Matter! on April 25, 2024, 01:38:49 PM
What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?

Almost consensus blue chip QB prospect, team set to draft him has done much to put the pieces around him for a rookie to succeed from a roster perspective. Will have to overcome yet another new OC and a mediocre head coach. Questions about his relationships with prior teammates, feedback with a grain of salt has been positive with organizational meetings.

His sense of style makes mouth breathers mad, which is amusing if good...annoying if not good.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jay Bee on April 25, 2024, 01:40:25 PM
Skol

Time to find some sleepers!!

https://youtu.be/xTGVOx2fmaQ?si=6FxP5svX6FQHOPF5
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2024, 03:23:52 PM
Can be, yes.  The bigger problem is the organization drafting him.  He’ll have to transcend their ineptitude.  Joe Burrow has done it in Cincinnati


So if he’s a star you’re right and if he’s not a star you’re also right. Nice.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 03:45:19 PM

So if he’s a star you’re right and if he’s not a star you’re also right. Nice.

Nah.  I’m being realistic.  I think he’ll be Cam Newton instead of Baker Mayfield but not Joe Burrow.  Cam Newton won an MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl.  I think he’ll play at a MVP level many seasons and be the best Bears QB ever.  I don’t see him busting unless the Bears dysfunction is too much to overcome
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 04:39:15 PM
Caleb Williams is expected to be the first pick according to my sources
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2024, 04:44:22 PM
What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?

If there was only a way to find out what scouts think about him.

Some of your posts are beyond absurd.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2024, 07:04:46 PM
Nah.  I’m being realistic.  I think he’ll be Cam Newton instead of Baker Mayfield but not Joe Burrow.  Cam Newton won an MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl.  I think he’ll play at a MVP level many seasons and be the best Bears QB ever.  I don’t see him busting unless the Bears dysfunction is too much to overcome

In 11 seasons Cam Newton had a QBR over 90 2 times. His overall rating was 85.2. In 6 seasons Baker Mayfield has had a QBR over 90 three times. His overall rating is  88.1. Cam was a far superior runner, Baker is the more accurate passer. And still has a lot of football left in him. We’ll see how they compare after 5 or so more seasons. You’re right that neither are Joe Burrow - very few are.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 25, 2024, 07:21:46 PM
The next great bust in Bears history: Caleb Williams
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MuggsyB on April 25, 2024, 07:25:13 PM
The next great bust in Bears history: Caleb Williams

Sweet Jesus.  I thought he was the answer 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 07:26:42 PM
Definitely like that Caleb has been in a huge market and basically has been a pro for a couple years now. His demeanor is calm and collected, something that didn’t ring true with previous Bears QB draft picks.

Will that translate on the field? We’ll wait to see, but the moment won’t be too big for him.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: withoutbias on April 25, 2024, 07:30:33 PM
Bears lost the best QB in the NFC North this offseason. Replaced him with a better one real quick.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: withoutbias on April 25, 2024, 07:34:58 PM
Also, LOL at the idea that football players are under brighter lights at USC than Ohio State. This ain’t Pete Carroll’s USC. Hasn’t been for a while. People in LA would rather be at the beach than the Colosseum.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2024, 07:41:38 PM
All chalk in the top 4. Now (hopefully) the fun begins.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 07:45:53 PM
Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2024, 07:51:01 PM
Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.

He’s no Mac Jones.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:00:25 PM
Zzzzzz Tradez plz
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 25, 2024, 08:02:35 PM
Was JJ McCarthy just getting trolled?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:04:13 PM
Penix!?!?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:05:04 PM
Now we're fcking talking!

I love Penix and until Love did a 180, he was the guy I hoped the Packers would get, but he's already almost 24...

That's not the guy that sits for long...
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:05:18 PM
Huh
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:05:53 PM
Truly unbelievable.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MUBurrow on April 25, 2024, 08:07:13 PM
That’s fun. Though Schefters weird “I know what the pick is but will only tell you position and not Woj bomb ruin the surprise” in between each pick is annoying.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:08:29 PM
Vikings can get McCarthy and the 23rd pick?  Won’t be a bad thing for them
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:09:47 PM
Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2024, 08:11:07 PM
Queens and Raiders can’t be happy.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:12:40 PM
Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!

Favorite player in the draft
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:14:03 PM
Give the Bears a F so far.  Pretty terrible draft
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:18:59 PM
Penix will be 28 when Cousins guaranteed years are up.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:20:11 PM
Penix will be 28 when Cousins guaranteed years are up.

And Raheem Morris will be a DC somewhere
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 25, 2024, 08:26:05 PM
RFK to the Jets.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:29:48 PM
Penix goes 8, Nix goes 12. Incredible.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:31:39 PM
Let's get Rattler into the first too just for giggles
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:34:20 PM
Let's get Rattler into the first too just for giggles

I actually think Rattler could have a decent NFL career.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 08:36:44 PM
Thank God the Packers took Jordan Love in 2020.  Imagine having to pick a replacement this year

Brilliant job by the organization
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:37:28 PM
I actually think Rattler could have a decent NFL career.

I do too, I'd just like more guys the Packers would never draft to come off the board
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MuggsyB on April 25, 2024, 08:38:36 PM
Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!

Did the Bears drop the 🔨  with these two picks DD?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MU1in77 on April 25, 2024, 08:47:01 PM
It will be interesting to see 5 years down the line, who is the better NFL QB, Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MU82 on April 25, 2024, 08:54:40 PM
Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!

I really like all 3 of those WRs (which isn't exactly going out on a limb) but in the games I saw, Odunze made more great catches than the other 2 combined. Doesn't mean he'll be better, I know, but I think the Bears got a future star.

And Williams too. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 08:58:35 PM
It will be interesting to see 5 years down the line, who is the better NFL QB, Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy?

It pains me to say this, but they operate in different universes.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 08:59:29 PM
I do too, I'd just like more guys the Packers would never draft to come off the board

This draft is setting up great for both Green Bay and Detroit (seriously).
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 25, 2024, 09:21:22 PM
What a draft for Vikes

Pleasantly surprised
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 09:24:34 PM
Vikings have a 1 and two 5’s next year.

Moving up once pre-draft, to move up twice then the night of the draft, is certainly a choice.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jay Bee on April 25, 2024, 09:24:51 PM
What a draft for Vikes

Pleasantly surprised

We da best!! SKOL!!
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2024, 09:26:57 PM
Bears A+++++++
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 25, 2024, 09:33:14 PM
Ok, can we now say the Bears are good at WR?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 09:49:15 PM
Vikings have a 1 and two 5’s next year.

Moving up once pre-draft, to move up twice then the night of the draft, is certainly a choice.

Kwesi better hope these two are All-Pro caliber players
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2024, 09:50:28 PM
I really like all 3 of those WRs (which isn't exactly going out on a limb) but in the games I saw, Odunze made more great catches than the other 2 combined. Doesn't mean he'll be better, I know, but I think the Bears got a future star.

And Williams too. You're welcome.

If the Bears win anything in the next 5-7 years the Carolina GM gets tons of credit.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 09:52:11 PM
Jaguars need a QB.  Surprised they didn’t trade up for one
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 25, 2024, 09:55:05 PM
Bears will pass on Caleb Williams after learning that none of this teammates were at his 21st birthday party.

I thought it was that he didn't give the $100 bill back
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 09:59:30 PM
Detroit trades up!

Bet it’s Cooper Dejean or Arnold
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: forgetful on April 25, 2024, 10:00:28 PM
Detroit trades up!

Bet it’s Cooper Dejean

Seems like it has to be. Jump in front of GB.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: forgetful on April 25, 2024, 10:06:10 PM
Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.

Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.

Both would be top players at major needs.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 10:06:51 PM
Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.

Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.

Both would be top players at major needs.

If I'm GB I'm trying to get back into the late first for an OL
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 10:07:39 PM
Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.

Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.

Both would be top players at major needs.

It’ll be Jordan Morgan.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2024, 10:10:02 PM
I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal.  On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available.   I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.   
DB
DL
OL
WR

They already have their projected starters in place.   These can all be developmental/depth picks.

Trading up (slightly) for a player better than either Kool Aid or Cooper has to make you happy.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: PointWarrior on April 25, 2024, 10:10:06 PM
Jordan Morgan. WTF
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: PointWarrior on April 25, 2024, 10:10:31 PM
Wausau Ch 7 already reported it.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2024, 10:13:34 PM
Had seen him mocked to GB in a few earlier mocks, not recently.

We shall see
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 10:16:13 PM
He was a guy I hoped would be there at 41 or move back into the late first to grab. It's a good pick but surprised given the options on the board.

I don't think they do this over Barton unless they view him as a tackle
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: forgetful on April 25, 2024, 10:17:35 PM
This once again shows I know nothing.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 25, 2024, 10:18:48 PM
I was surprised they passed on Barton, but I trust the Packers knowledge on taking good offensive linemen.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 25, 2024, 10:27:52 PM
Of course the Chiefs did
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 05:15:32 AM
I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal.  On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available.   I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.   
DB
DL
OL
WR

They already have their projected starters in place.   These can all be developmental/depth picks.
Arnold is a good choice.  Holmes got who Detroit thought was the best corner.  One who can come in and compete for a starting job in a relatively set starting line up.  Holmes traded picks for the 10th time in 4 years.   
   It looked like fun in downtown Detroit.   275k in attendance.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 06:06:05 AM
Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.

Belichick the coach is better than Belichick the GM
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 06:20:18 AM
Oh, they let the Chiefs get Xavier Worthy.  What could go wrong, Buffalo?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:30:40 AM
NFC North Draft Grades:

Bears: F - Williams is a bust and Odunze is John Ross 2.0.  Ryan Poles will be in dental school within a years

Lions: A - Terrion Arnold will be a solid CB.  Traded up to get him, maybe stealing him from GB.  Weren’t getting him at 29.  Great outfit.

Vikings: D - Traded away a ton of draft capital for Christian Ponder 2.0 and an undersized edge rusher

Packers: C - Added a versatile OL depth piece but didn’t address K, the worst player on the team
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 07:39:40 AM
Cannot believe the Packers did not take a kicker last night.

NFC north is going to be a grind.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:43:11 AM
Cannot believe the Packers did not take a kicker last night.

NFC north is going to be a grind.

At least the Packers and Lions use the portal unlike Marquette
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:47:55 AM
Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MU82 on April 26, 2024, 08:02:03 AM
Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings

Yeah, their explanation was as daffy as the pick.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 08:04:31 AM
Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings

Worked for Green Bay
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 08:07:27 AM
Deciding to hire Raheem Morris is starting to make sense.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: TallTitan34 on April 26, 2024, 08:14:19 AM
Ryan Poles will be in dental school within a years

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Let's not say things we can't take back.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 08:15:43 AM
Worked for Green Bay

I’d buy that argument if Penix wasn’t going to be 24 this year and the pick was in the 20’s.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 08:27:00 AM
I’d buy that argument if Penix wasn’t going to be 24 this year and the pick was in the 20’s.

Yeah among a litany of other reasons.  Love was raw coming out, Penix isn't.  Penix is older and often injured.

The talent is there, but I think ATL can probably also trade Kirk before the deadline to a team that feels like they're a QB away from a good run.  Or next year if they think Penix is ready.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 08:52:36 AM
Yeah among a litany of other reasons.  Love was raw coming out, Penix isn't.  Penix is older and often injured.

The talent is there, but I think ATL can probably also trade Kirk before the deadline to a team that feels like they're a QB away from a good run.  Or next year if they think Penix is ready.

Could be.  Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point.  Just not at 8.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 26, 2024, 08:56:02 AM
Could be.  Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point.  Just not at 8.
He was told when he signed that ATL would take a QB, but in a later round. Word is he was shocked last night.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 08:56:10 AM
Could be. Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point.  Just not at 8.

Isn't it well established he is pretty naive? :)
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 08:56:57 AM
He was told when he signed that ATL would take a QB, but in a later round. Word is he was shocked last night.

How many 'fingers of tequila' shocked was he?  Hopefully, not more than three.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 09:00:31 AM
Isn't it well established he is pretty naive? :)

Well, he does do his own research and his dad is a nutjob
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 26, 2024, 09:07:37 AM
For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 09:10:48 AM
For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?

Once they re-signed him the trade made sense.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MUBurrow on April 26, 2024, 09:16:35 AM
For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?

Of course not, but that doesn't take into account the economics of trading a pick away for a guy you need to immediately re-sign. When you do that your capital gets pinched from both directions so the player you're acquiring needs to be an absolute stud, not just outperform the player you could have selected and signed to a rookie wage scale deal.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 26, 2024, 09:27:11 AM
Of course not, but that doesn't take into account the economics of trading a pick away for a guy you need to immediately re-sign. When you do that your capital gets pinched from both directions so the player you're acquiring needs to be an absolute stud, not just outperform the player you could have selected and signed to a rookie wage scale deal.

But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MUBurrow on April 26, 2024, 09:31:47 AM
But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)

I don't disagree. And the four year contract should match up with their competitive window.  I just think it generally works better to use the picks to stay young and pay guys higher AAV money on shorter deals as they hit free agency.  But if Sweat keeps giving you years where he stays healthy and is hunting double digit sacks, it works.  Its just that the bar gets raised considerably on the production level you need to consider the deal a success when it costs you draft pick compensation AND money.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 09:33:59 AM
But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)

But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder.  That's the real point.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on April 26, 2024, 09:55:06 AM
But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder.  That's the real point.

? How ?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 26, 2024, 10:02:51 AM
For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?

I would be calling the Bengals to see what the price is for Hendrickson. If they’re going to take advantage of Williams/Odunze’s rookie contracts, I’m good with giving Hendrickson 3 years of guaranteed money for when he’s still 29 years old.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MUBurrow on April 26, 2024, 10:05:03 AM
But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder.  That's the real point.

Yep.  Sweat's deal is 4 years, $98M, $63M guaranteed.  This offseason, Jonathan Greenard signed for 4/$76M/$38M, Danielle Hunter signed for 2/$49/$48, and Bryce Huff signed for 3/$51/$34.  The question isn't whether Sweat is better than the guy you'd draft, its whether Sweat is better than one of these guys PLUS five cheap years of say, Kool-Aid McKinstry or Kris Jenkins.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 10:08:27 AM
? How ?

Well Sweat was due to be a free agent after last season.  So this off season they could have inked him to the same deal he signed when he was traded.  Sure, they'd be competing with other teams, but that could have been the case anyway.

Unless I'm mistaken... which is possible.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 10:23:37 AM
But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder.  That's the real point.

No, they wouldn't have.  Sweat was getting traded and whoever traded for him was going to extend him.  He wasn't getting to free agency. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 10:24:47 AM
Yep.  Sweat's deal is 4 years, $98M, $63M guaranteed.  This offseason, Jonathan Greenard signed for 4/$76M/$38M, Danielle Hunter signed for 2/$49/$48, and Bryce Huff signed for 3/$51/$34.  The question isn't whether Sweat is better than the guy you'd draft, its whether Sweat is better than one of these guys PLUS five cheap years of say, Kool-Aid McKinstry or Kris Jenkins.

I'm not sure why people continue to fail to understand that Sweat was not making it to free agency. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 10:25:34 AM
Worked for Green Bay

Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.

Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 10:26:13 AM
No, they wouldn't have.  Sweat was getting traded and whoever traded for him was going to extend him.  He wasn't getting to free agency.

Oh really?  A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension? 

As the kids say.  Huh.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 10:26:24 AM
I'm not sure why people continue to fail to understand that Sweat was not making it to free agency.

Why?
Regardless, according to the numbers posted by MUBurrow, the Bears arguably had to overpay to keep Sweat from free agency.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 10:27:33 AM
Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.

Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.

Sorry, it was mostly tongue in cheek.  It was just what the Atlanta executives argued when they were questioned.  Personally, I think the situations are not at all comparable, except that they're both hilarious.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Jockey on April 26, 2024, 10:34:50 AM
Oh really?  A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension?

As the kids say.  Huh.

Basically, yes. Offer more money than other teams.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 10:39:21 AM
Oh really?  A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension? 

As the kids say.  Huh.

Why?
Regardless, according to the numbers posted by MUBurrow, the Bears arguably had to overpay to keep Sweat from free agency.

Common sense.  No, you can't "force" anyone to sign an extension but any team trading a 2nd rounder for him was going to extend him.

And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 11:00:08 AM
Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.

Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.

Ironically it was the quarterback that was Green Bay’s biggest problem in the ‘21 playoffs.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 11:04:12 AM
And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting.

What other high-profile pass rushers are you comping him to?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 11:53:29 AM
What other high-profile pass rushers are you comping him to?

Hunter
Chubb
Crosby
Gary


Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 12:38:06 PM
Hunter
Chubb
Crosby
Gary

Crosby? That's not close.
Crosby has more career sacks (52 to 41.5), more tackles (321 to 222), more TFLs (88 to 51), more QB hits (124 to 99).
He finished 4th in DPOY last year and 6th in 2022. Sweat's never been in the top 10. He's been second-team All Pro twice. Sweat has never been first or second team.
All that, and Crosby is a year younger and has never missed a game to injury. He's a significantly better player.

Hunter? Since Sweat has been in the league, Hunter has more sacks, tackles and TFLs ... despite sitting out one of those seasons.

I'll give you Chubb and Gary. But both those guys received smaller guarantees - and in Gary's case, substantially smaller - than Sweat. As did Crosby and Hunter.
It's fine. The Bears have the money and it's not necessarily bad that they're using it. But they absolutely went over the market to keep Sweat from hitting free agency.

Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 12:52:52 PM
Common sense.  No, you can't "force" anyone to sign an extension but any team trading a 2nd rounder for him was going to extend him.

And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting.

Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder.  Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy? 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: cheebs09 on April 26, 2024, 12:56:07 PM
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder.  Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy?

I think the thinking is that without the trade, he's not on the open market. I'm guessing the second round price tag was due to both teams being fairly certain he'd sign.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 12:59:38 PM
I think the thinking is that without the trade, he's not on the open market. I'm guessing the second round price tag was due to both teams being fairly certain he'd sign.

But how could anyone guarantee that?  If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market.  This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal.  What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 26, 2024, 02:08:47 PM
But how could anyone guarantee that?  If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market.  This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal.  What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.
Speaking of the Bears; I assume Williams has told them he will not play for Chicago by now, right?

He looks pissed going up to the stage to meet Goodell and refused to talk to Odunze.  8-)
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 02:22:06 PM
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder.  Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy?

No, it absolutely wouldn't because the dude was not making it to free agency. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 02:23:29 PM
Crosby? That's not close.
Crosby has more career sacks (52 to 41.5), more tackles (321 to 222), more TFLs (88 to 51), more QB hits (124 to 99).
He finished 4th in DPOY last year and 6th in 2022. Sweat's never been in the top 10. He's been second-team All Pro twice. Sweat has never been first or second team.
All that, and Crosby is a year younger and has never missed a game to injury. He's a significantly better player.

Hunter? Since Sweat has been in the league, Hunter has more sacks, tackles and TFLs ... despite sitting out one of those seasons.

I'll give you Chubb and Gary. But both those guys received smaller guarantees - and in Gary's case, substantially smaller - than Sweat. As did Crosby and Hunter.
It's fine. The Bears have the money and it's not necessarily bad that they're using it. But they absolutely went over the market to keep Sweat from hitting free agency.

It's semantics and we're just quibbling with words now but I didn't say it wasn't an overpay.  I said I didn't consider it to be a drastic overpay and I still don't.  We can agree to disagree on that point. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: withoutbias on April 26, 2024, 02:25:46 PM
If the Bears and Cubs (and MUBB, TBH) were 10% as infallible as VBMG makes them out to be they would have every Super Bowl/World Series since the day he was born.  They have never done anything wrong and are perfectly run organizations.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 02:27:49 PM
But how could anyone guarantee that?  If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market.  This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal.  What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.

And I think this is an awful take. 

They weren't getting a comparable player at pick 40 nor were they guaranteed to be able to add an equally impactful defensive end in free agency. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 02:41:59 PM
No, it absolutely wouldn't because the dude was not making it to free agency.

Okay, so explain why he wasn't.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 02:43:48 PM
And I think this is an awful take. 

They weren't getting a comparable player at pick 40 nor were they guaranteed to be able to add an equally impactful defensive end in free agency.

You're missing the forest for the trees here, pardner.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 02:52:05 PM
If the Bears and Cubs (and MUBB, TBH) were 10% as infallible as VBMG makes them out to be they would have every Super Bowl/World Series since the day he was born.  They have never done anything wrong and are perfectly run organizations.

Obviously that's not remotely what I'm saying but I'm glad to see you've remained extremely consistent in your stupidity. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2024, 03:02:04 PM
Okay, so explain why he wasn't.

You're missing the forest for the trees here, pardner.

I'm really not.  The Commanders were absolutely going to trade Sweat.  Whichever team acquired him at the cost of a 2nd rounder was absolutely going to extend him.  If you can't accept or understand that I really don't know what else to say.  The Bears would not have been able to keep their 2nd rounder and sign Sweat

The Bears weighed that cost (draft currency and contract extension) and compared it to the defensive ends that may have made it to free agency where they'd have to bid against other teams.  Who were the potentially comparable edge rushers that fit the Bears defensive scheme in terms of style and age?  It was pretty barren so they felt the pick and the extension was worth it and based on how Sweat and the defense performed the last 9 games of the season it's hard to disagree. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 03:08:48 PM
I'm really not.  The Commanders were absolutely going to trade Sweat.  Whichever team acquired him at the cost of a 2nd rounder was absolutely going to extend him.  If you can't accept or understand that I really don't know what else to say.  The Bears would not have been able to keep their 2nd rounder and sign Sweat

The Bears weighed that cost (draft currency and contract extension) and compared it to the defensive ends that may have made it to free agency where they'd have to bid against other teams.  Who were the potentially comparable edge rushers that fit the Bears defensive scheme in terms of style and age?  It was pretty barren so they felt the pick and the extension was worth it and based on how Sweat and the defense performed the last 9 games of the season it's hard to disagree.

You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right?  Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything.  He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.

You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.

He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day. 
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: cheebs09 on April 26, 2024, 03:13:59 PM
You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right?  Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything.  He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.

You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.

He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day.

I think you are underestimating how much the Bears probably talked to Sweat  or his agent before they make this trade. I am guessing they had parameters set up for a contract by the time they traded him. He signed only like 5 days after the trade.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: lawdog77 on April 26, 2024, 03:19:39 PM
You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right?  Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything.  He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.

You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.

He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day.
If Chicago didn't get him, Atlanta was .

Reports were:"Atlanta had its sights set on Sweat, but Washington went with Chicago's offer," ESPN wrote. "That left the Falcons without much-needed pass-rush help. And my understanding is Atlanta was willing to extend Sweat's contract as part of the deal and that Sweat wanted to go to Atlanta, where he has family. All of that fell through."
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 03:23:29 PM
I think you are underestimating how much the Bears probably talked to Sweat  or his agent before they make this trade. I am guessing they had parameters set up for a contract by the time they traded him. He signed only like 5 days after the trade.

No, I don't doubt that at all.  I fully understand that.  That's half my point.

If Chicago didn't get him, Atlanta was .

Reports were:"Atlanta had its sights set on Sweat, but Washington went with Chicago's offer," ESPN wrote. "That left the Falcons without much-needed pass-rush help. And my understanding is Atlanta was willing to extend Sweat's contract as part of the deal and that Sweat wanted to go to Atlanta, where he has family. All of that fell through."

This is what I was looking for, thanks.  Amazing that VBMG didn't just say this from the jump.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 26, 2024, 03:42:12 PM
Some people ask “if a team at #1 knows who they’re picking, why do they wait so long into the 10 minute time allotment to make the pick?”. Obvious answer of course is that’s what the league wants so their tv partners can get the story of the draft going. Was interesting in Poles phone call to Caleb, hearing Poles tell him “league is making us wait until at least the 5 minute mark to turn the pick in”.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Hards Alumni on April 26, 2024, 03:43:29 PM
Some people ask “if a team at #1 knows who they’re picking, why do they wait so long into the 10 minute time allotment to make the pick?”. Obvious answer of course is that’s what the league wants so their tv partners can get the story of the draft going. Was interesting in Poles phone call to Caleb, hearing Poles tell him “league is making us wait until at least the 5 minute mark to turn the pick in”.

You could see when the cameras were on him that he wanted the process moved along.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 06:06:59 PM
PART 2!!!!!

What does your team need?   How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat?   Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 06:10:42 PM
PART 2!!!!!

What does your team need?   How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat?   Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?


I would be surprised if Sweat is picked tonight. Between the DUI, previous reports of off-field issues and his weight, I think a lot of teams are going to take a pass on a guy who's essentially a niche player.
And of course, now he'll probably go in the first 10 picks tonight.

My team (the Rrrrrrrraaaaaiiideerrrrs) desperately need an OT or CB. Understand why they passed on one last night when Bowers fell to them, but tonight they've got to fill some needs.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 06:23:11 PM
PART 2!!!!!

What does your team need?   How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat?   Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?

Packers need a kicker
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 06:24:15 PM
Packers need a kicker
Can they get one out of the portal?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 06:25:33 PM
Can they get one out of the portal?

I’d take a kicking donkey over the clown they have
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 06:45:34 PM
PART 2!!!!!

What does your team need?   How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat?   Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
Titans.   Wow.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 06:46:14 PM

I would be surprised if Sweat is picked tonight. Between the DUI, previous reports of off-field issues and his weight, I think a lot of teams are going to take a pass on a guy who's essentially a niche player.
And of course, now he'll probably go in the first 10 picks tonight.

My team (the Rrrrrrrraaaaaiiideerrrrs) desperately need an OT or CB. Understand why they passed on one last night when Bowers fell to them, but tonight they've got to fill some needs.

Welp!
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 26, 2024, 06:54:20 PM
Unreal that the Packers didn't pinch pennies to secure Dejean.

We don't need more late round picks
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 06:57:28 PM
Unreal that the Packers didn't pinch pennies to secure Dejean.

We don't need more late round picks

Unreal that people are still questioning Gutey's draft strategy.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: GB Warrior on April 26, 2024, 06:58:27 PM
Unreal that people are still questioning Gutey's draft strategy.

You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...

Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 07:00:18 PM
You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...

Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.

Could be. But you have no idea who they valued at what level. Trading down to get the next best option could very well be worth it.

Honestly, complaining how he has built this team is laughable.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 26, 2024, 07:03:48 PM
Half watching, but feels like every 2nd round pick has been traded.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:04:51 PM
You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...

Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.

All these picks will help us trade up for a kicker later
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:13:17 PM
Terrible pick by the Packers
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: forgetful on April 26, 2024, 07:14:57 PM
Could be. But you have no idea who they valued at what level. Trading down to get the next best option could very well be worth it.

Honestly, complaining how he has built this team is laughable.

My guess is they had a significant number of players that they rated equally, and would be more than happy to have:

ex. DeJean, McKinstry, Melton, Powers-Johnson, Cooper

And knew that no matter what one of them would be available, even with moving back. So might as well secure some extra picks and get one of your highly desired players.

The only other option would have been to try to trade up and get 2 of them, but waste a lot of draft capital to do so.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 07:15:12 PM
Fine pick.   Unless he turns into DB Cooper.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 07:15:29 PM
Fine pick.   Unless he turns into DB Cooper.

He stonks
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 07:19:22 PM
My guess is they had a significant number of players that they rated equally, and would be more than happy to have:

ex. DeJean, McKinstry, Melton, Powers-Johnson, Cooper

And knew that no matter what one of them would be available, even with moving back. So might as well secure some extra picks and get one of your highly desired players.

The only other option would have been to try to trade up and get 2 of them, but waste a lot of draft capital to do so.


Exactly.

Justis Mosqueda from @acmepackingco thinks they were targeting Cooper among others. They needed an LB anyway.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 26, 2024, 07:26:37 PM
Fine pick.   Unless he turns into DB Cooper.

Stellar pick if he turns into Alice Cooper.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: MUBurrow on April 26, 2024, 07:54:12 PM
So I guess the Bills just liked Keon Coleman more than Xavier Worthy?
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: forgetful on April 26, 2024, 08:07:23 PM
Round 2 worked out pretty well for GB.

Pretty much got who they wanted and picked up extra picks.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 08:08:00 PM
Someday, I hope that someone loves me as much as Gutey loves defenders from Georgia.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2024, 08:09:31 PM
Awful draft by the Packers so far.  Failing to address kicker will cost this team
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 08:10:04 PM


GB got their Brian Branch.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2024, 08:19:20 PM
Rakestraw Jr was rumored to be a possibility for Detroit at 29.  Doubling down on DBs is interesting.   Depth no longer an issue.   So many additions on defense during the offseason.

The last 6 games of the season must have really (ticked) Holmes and Campbell off.  Maybe Detroit will have enough defense that Campbell can trust it to win games.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 26, 2024, 09:01:19 PM
Round 2 worked out pretty well for GB.

Pretty much got who they wanted and picked up extra picks.

https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1784039665999266257
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: CreightonWarrior on April 26, 2024, 09:48:55 PM
Awful draft by the Packers so far.  Failing to address kicker will cost this team
only explanation I can think of is they’re working on convincing Chris Jacke to come out of retirement.
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: PointWarrior on April 26, 2024, 10:04:26 PM
only explanation I can think of is they’re working on convincing Chris Jacke to come out of retirement.

Crosby would pull a Tonya Harding on Jacke...
Title: Re: Draft day
Post by: Pakuni on April 28, 2024, 02:29:13 PM
ESPN's Matt Miller made the case Saturday that Mel Kiper belongs in Canton, and it's hard to argue with the point.
The draft has become one of professional football's biggest events (see: 700,000 people in Detroit while millions watched on three networks in prime time), and it's in no small measure due to the draft industrial complex Mel pioneered.