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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on April 25, 2024, 07:45:53 AM
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Who've you got? How do the Bears screw it up? What will the Pack do at the end of round 1? The Vikings have to try to get a QB, don't they? How many QBs go how early?
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Who've you got? How do the Bears screw it up? What will the Pack do at the end of round 1? The Vikings have to try to get a QB, don't they? How many QBs go how early?
Packers need to replace their idiot kicker but are set at QB for another decade (probably, maybe).
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Bears don’t get the card in in time. Caleb to Commanders.
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Packers need to replace their idiot kicker but are set at QB for another decade (probably, maybe).
They have three kickers on their roster
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Pretty sure its OL for the Packers. They need a safety, but they're easier to get later.
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They have three kickers on their roster
When you have three kickers, you have zero kickers, imo
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Bears will pass on Caleb Williams after learning that none of this teammates were at his 21st birthday party.
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Bravo.
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Pretty sure its OL for the Packers. They need a safety, but they're easier to get later.
I think there is a good chance they trade up to get Cooper DeJean.
I think there is a good chance they trade back to take Edgerrin Cooper
I think there is a good chance they stay where they are to take Tyler Guyton or J. Powers-Johnson
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I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal. On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available. I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.
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They already have their projected starters in place. These can all be developmental/depth picks.
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I see Gery Woelful Tweeting that he's watching for the Packers to trade away picks this year to add picks for next year when the Packers host the NFL Draft. I'm sure that's on the front of their mind going into this Draft. Have a very young team that was a bad fourth quarter away from playing in Detroit for a chance to go to the Super Bowl (where they had just won), have a few holes to fill, but let's sell picks so that we can build excitement for a year from now in a city that already sells out Family Night.
The guy is the best. I remember when The Fan still had him as their "Bucks insider" after the Bucks had taken away his media credentials. High quality stuff.
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I see Gery Woelful Tweeting that he's watching for the Packers to trade away picks this year to add picks for next year when the Packers host the NFL Draft. I'm sure that's on the front of their mind going into this Draft. Have a very young team that was a bad fourth quarter away from playing in Detroit for a chance to go to the Super Bowl (where they had just won), have a few holes to fill, but let's sell picks so that we can build excitement for a year from now in a city that already sells out Family Night.
The guy is the best. I remember when The Fan still had him as their "Bucks insider" after the Bucks had taken away his media credentials. High quality stuff.
He has his pulse on the finger of his toilet
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Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert. That would certainly be something
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Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert. That would certainly be something
From Chargers perspective, that would make some sense. Complete reboot and a ton of flexibility financially.
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Hope the teams drafting QBs did their research on who showed up to birthday parties.
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Social media rumblings about the Vikings trading for Herbert. That would certainly be something
That would cost the Chargers $44.5 million in dead cap, which is way more than the cap space they have available.
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What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?
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What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?
He is a QB from USC who will probably be drafted first overall by the Bears.
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What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?
One of the first Gen-Z QBs. Meatheads can’t and won’t understand him.
Played in an offense that required little in the way of progressions and allowed a lot of freelancing.
Great athlete, competitor and hates losing. With good coaching, can be a superstar
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Is he a franchise QB?
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Is he a franchise QB?
Can be, yes. The bigger problem is the organization drafting him. He’ll have to transcend their ineptitude. Joe Burrow has done it in Cincinnati
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Is he a franchise QB?
I mean...he addressed that.
With good coaching, can be a superstar
There will be growing pains, but he very well could be. Way higher ceiling than Fields.
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Well that's somewhat positive. Sid Luckman was awhile ago.
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What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?
Almost consensus blue chip QB prospect, team set to draft him has done much to put the pieces around him for a rookie to succeed from a roster perspective. Will have to overcome yet another new OC and a mediocre head coach. Questions about his relationships with prior teammates, feedback with a grain of salt has been positive with organizational meetings.
His sense of style makes mouth breathers mad, which is amusing if good...annoying if not good.
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Skol
Time to find some sleepers!!
https://youtu.be/xTGVOx2fmaQ?si=6FxP5svX6FQHOPF5
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Can be, yes. The bigger problem is the organization drafting him. He’ll have to transcend their ineptitude. Joe Burrow has done it in Cincinnati
So if he’s a star you’re right and if he’s not a star you’re also right. Nice.
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So if he’s a star you’re right and if he’s not a star you’re also right. Nice.
Nah. I’m being realistic. I think he’ll be Cam Newton instead of Baker Mayfield but not Joe Burrow. Cam Newton won an MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl. I think he’ll play at a MVP level many seasons and be the best Bears QB ever. I don’t see him busting unless the Bears dysfunction is too much to overcome
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Caleb Williams is expected to be the first pick according to my sources
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What's the honest assessment on C.Williams?
If there was only a way to find out what scouts think about him.
Some of your posts are beyond absurd.
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Nah. I’m being realistic. I think he’ll be Cam Newton instead of Baker Mayfield but not Joe Burrow. Cam Newton won an MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl. I think he’ll play at a MVP level many seasons and be the best Bears QB ever. I don’t see him busting unless the Bears dysfunction is too much to overcome
In 11 seasons Cam Newton had a QBR over 90 2 times. His overall rating was 85.2. In 6 seasons Baker Mayfield has had a QBR over 90 three times. His overall rating is 88.1. Cam was a far superior runner, Baker is the more accurate passer. And still has a lot of football left in him. We’ll see how they compare after 5 or so more seasons. You’re right that neither are Joe Burrow - very few are.
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The next great bust in Bears history: Caleb Williams
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The next great bust in Bears history: Caleb Williams
Sweet Jesus. I thought he was the answer
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Definitely like that Caleb has been in a huge market and basically has been a pro for a couple years now. His demeanor is calm and collected, something that didn’t ring true with previous Bears QB draft picks.
Will that translate on the field? We’ll wait to see, but the moment won’t be too big for him.
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Bears lost the best QB in the NFC North this offseason. Replaced him with a better one real quick.
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Also, LOL at the idea that football players are under brighter lights at USC than Ohio State. This ain’t Pete Carroll’s USC. Hasn’t been for a while. People in LA would rather be at the beach than the Colosseum.
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All chalk in the top 4. Now (hopefully) the fun begins.
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Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.
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Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.
He’s no Mac Jones.
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Zzzzzz Tradez plz
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Was JJ McCarthy just getting trolled?
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Penix!?!?
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Now we're fcking talking!
I love Penix and until Love did a 180, he was the guy I hoped the Packers would get, but he's already almost 24...
That's not the guy that sits for long...
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Huh
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Truly unbelievable.
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That’s fun. Though Schefters weird “I know what the pick is but will only tell you position and not Woj bomb ruin the surprise” in between each pick is annoying.
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Vikings can get McCarthy and the 23rd pick? Won’t be a bad thing for them
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Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!
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Queens and Raiders can’t be happy.
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Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!
Favorite player in the draft
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Give the Bears a F so far. Pretty terrible draft
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Penix will be 28 when Cousins guaranteed years are up.
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Penix will be 28 when Cousins guaranteed years are up.
And Raheem Morris will be a DC somewhere
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RFK to the Jets.
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Penix goes 8, Nix goes 12. Incredible.
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Let's get Rattler into the first too just for giggles
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Let's get Rattler into the first too just for giggles
I actually think Rattler could have a decent NFL career.
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Thank God the Packers took Jordan Love in 2020. Imagine having to pick a replacement this year
Brilliant job by the organization
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I actually think Rattler could have a decent NFL career.
I do too, I'd just like more guys the Packers would never draft to come off the board
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Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!
Did the Bears drop the 🔨 with these two picks DD?
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It will be interesting to see 5 years down the line, who is the better NFL QB, Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy?
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Rome Odunze is a Bear. Love it!
I really like all 3 of those WRs (which isn't exactly going out on a limb) but in the games I saw, Odunze made more great catches than the other 2 combined. Doesn't mean he'll be better, I know, but I think the Bears got a future star.
And Williams too. You're welcome.
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It will be interesting to see 5 years down the line, who is the better NFL QB, Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy?
It pains me to say this, but they operate in different universes.
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I do too, I'd just like more guys the Packers would never draft to come off the board
This draft is setting up great for both Green Bay and Detroit (seriously).
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What a draft for Vikes
Pleasantly surprised
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Vikings have a 1 and two 5’s next year.
Moving up once pre-draft, to move up twice then the night of the draft, is certainly a choice.
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What a draft for Vikes
Pleasantly surprised
We da best!! SKOL!!
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Bears A+++++++
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Ok, can we now say the Bears are good at WR?
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Vikings have a 1 and two 5’s next year.
Moving up once pre-draft, to move up twice then the night of the draft, is certainly a choice.
Kwesi better hope these two are All-Pro caliber players
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I really like all 3 of those WRs (which isn't exactly going out on a limb) but in the games I saw, Odunze made more great catches than the other 2 combined. Doesn't mean he'll be better, I know, but I think the Bears got a future star.
And Williams too. You're welcome.
If the Bears win anything in the next 5-7 years the Carolina GM gets tons of credit.
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Jaguars need a QB. Surprised they didn’t trade up for one
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Bears will pass on Caleb Williams after learning that none of this teammates were at his 21st birthday party.
I thought it was that he didn't give the $100 bill back
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Detroit trades up!
Bet it’s Cooper Dejean or Arnold
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Detroit trades up!
Bet it’s Cooper Dejean
Seems like it has to be. Jump in front of GB.
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Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.
Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.
Both would be top players at major needs.
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Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.
Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.
Both would be top players at major needs.
If I'm GB I'm trying to get back into the late first for an OL
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Good pick for them. Great corner, might have been a realization that it was there only opportunity to trade up to get a CB.
Does GB go with Dejean or go OL with Barton.
Both would be top players at major needs.
It’ll be Jordan Morgan.
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I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal. On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available. I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.
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They already have their projected starters in place. These can all be developmental/depth picks.
Trading up (slightly) for a player better than either Kool Aid or Cooper has to make you happy.
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Jordan Morgan. WTF
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Wausau Ch 7 already reported it.
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Had seen him mocked to GB in a few earlier mocks, not recently.
We shall see
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He was a guy I hoped would be there at 41 or move back into the late first to grab. It's a good pick but surprised given the options on the board.
I don't think they do this over Barton unless they view him as a tackle
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This once again shows I know nothing.
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I was surprised they passed on Barton, but I trust the Packers knowledge on taking good offensive linemen.
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Of course the Chiefs did
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I think the odds of Detroit standing pat are minimal. On the off chance they do, I think they drink the Kool Aid at 29, if he is still available. I can see them trying to get DeJean, also.
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They already have their projected starters in place. These can all be developmental/depth picks.
Arnold is a good choice. Holmes got who Detroit thought was the best corner. One who can come in and compete for a starting job in a relatively set starting line up. Holmes traded picks for the 10th time in 4 years.
It looked like fun in downtown Detroit. 275k in attendance.
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Belichick just destroying Drake Maye on the McAfee broadcast is pretty funny.
Belichick the coach is better than Belichick the GM
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Oh, they let the Chiefs get Xavier Worthy. What could go wrong, Buffalo?
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NFC North Draft Grades:
Bears: F - Williams is a bust and Odunze is John Ross 2.0. Ryan Poles will be in dental school within a years
Lions: A - Terrion Arnold will be a solid CB. Traded up to get him, maybe stealing him from GB. Weren’t getting him at 29. Great outfit.
Vikings: D - Traded away a ton of draft capital for Christian Ponder 2.0 and an undersized edge rusher
Packers: C - Added a versatile OL depth piece but didn’t address K, the worst player on the team
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Cannot believe the Packers did not take a kicker last night.
NFC north is going to be a grind.
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Cannot believe the Packers did not take a kicker last night.
NFC north is going to be a grind.
At least the Packers and Lions use the portal unlike Marquette
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Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings
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Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings
Yeah, their explanation was as daffy as the pick.
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Doing some reading on the Falcons drafting Penix and might have to move Atlanta up the “dysfunctional organization” rankings
Worked for Green Bay
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Deciding to hire Raheem Morris is starting to make sense.
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Ryan Poles will be in dental school within a years
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Let's not say things we can't take back.
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Worked for Green Bay
I’d buy that argument if Penix wasn’t going to be 24 this year and the pick was in the 20’s.
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I’d buy that argument if Penix wasn’t going to be 24 this year and the pick was in the 20’s.
Yeah among a litany of other reasons. Love was raw coming out, Penix isn't. Penix is older and often injured.
The talent is there, but I think ATL can probably also trade Kirk before the deadline to a team that feels like they're a QB away from a good run. Or next year if they think Penix is ready.
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Yeah among a litany of other reasons. Love was raw coming out, Penix isn't. Penix is older and often injured.
The talent is there, but I think ATL can probably also trade Kirk before the deadline to a team that feels like they're a QB away from a good run. Or next year if they think Penix is ready.
Could be. Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point. Just not at 8.
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Could be. Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point. Just not at 8.
He was told when he signed that ATL would take a QB, but in a later round. Word is he was shocked last night.
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Could be. Cousins would have to have been pretty naive not to expect them to possibly draft a QB at some point. Just not at 8.
Isn't it well established he is pretty naive? :)
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He was told when he signed that ATL would take a QB, but in a later round. Word is he was shocked last night.
How many 'fingers of tequila' shocked was he? Hopefully, not more than three.
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Isn't it well established he is pretty naive? :)
Well, he does do his own research and his dad is a nutjob
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For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?
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For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?
Once they re-signed him the trade made sense.
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For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?
Of course not, but that doesn't take into account the economics of trading a pick away for a guy you need to immediately re-sign. When you do that your capital gets pinched from both directions so the player you're acquiring needs to be an absolute stud, not just outperform the player you could have selected and signed to a rookie wage scale deal.
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Of course not, but that doesn't take into account the economics of trading a pick away for a guy you need to immediately re-sign. When you do that your capital gets pinched from both directions so the player you're acquiring needs to be an absolute stud, not just outperform the player you could have selected and signed to a rookie wage scale deal.
But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)
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But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)
I don't disagree. And the four year contract should match up with their competitive window. I just think it generally works better to use the picks to stay young and pay guys higher AAV money on shorter deals as they hit free agency. But if Sweat keeps giving you years where he stays healthy and is hunting double digit sacks, it works. Its just that the bar gets raised considerably on the production level you need to consider the deal a success when it costs you draft pick compensation AND money.
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But Sweat is a stud right? And they have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 5 years, which is the time to spend on other premium positions (ex. stud edge rusher)
But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder. That's the real point.
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But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder. That's the real point.
? How ?
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For the Bears fans who thought #40 was a drastic overpay for Montez Sweat, is there an edge you would prefer that is still on the board?
I would be calling the Bengals to see what the price is for Hendrickson. If they’re going to take advantage of Williams/Odunze’s rookie contracts, I’m good with giving Hendrickson 3 years of guaranteed money for when he’s still 29 years old.
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But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder. That's the real point.
Yep. Sweat's deal is 4 years, $98M, $63M guaranteed. This offseason, Jonathan Greenard signed for 4/$76M/$38M, Danielle Hunter signed for 2/$49/$48, and Bryce Huff signed for 3/$51/$34. The question isn't whether Sweat is better than the guy you'd draft, its whether Sweat is better than one of these guys PLUS five cheap years of say, Kool-Aid McKinstry or Kris Jenkins.
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? How ?
Well Sweat was due to be a free agent after last season. So this off season they could have inked him to the same deal he signed when he was traded. Sure, they'd be competing with other teams, but that could have been the case anyway.
Unless I'm mistaken... which is possible.
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But they may have been able to have Sweat as well as the 2nd rounder. That's the real point.
No, they wouldn't have. Sweat was getting traded and whoever traded for him was going to extend him. He wasn't getting to free agency.
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Yep. Sweat's deal is 4 years, $98M, $63M guaranteed. This offseason, Jonathan Greenard signed for 4/$76M/$38M, Danielle Hunter signed for 2/$49/$48, and Bryce Huff signed for 3/$51/$34. The question isn't whether Sweat is better than the guy you'd draft, its whether Sweat is better than one of these guys PLUS five cheap years of say, Kool-Aid McKinstry or Kris Jenkins.
I'm not sure why people continue to fail to understand that Sweat was not making it to free agency.
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Worked for Green Bay
Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.
Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.
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No, they wouldn't have. Sweat was getting traded and whoever traded for him was going to extend him. He wasn't getting to free agency.
Oh really? A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension?
As the kids say. Huh.
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I'm not sure why people continue to fail to understand that Sweat was not making it to free agency.
Why?
Regardless, according to the numbers posted by MUBurrow, the Bears arguably had to overpay to keep Sweat from free agency.
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Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.
Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.
Sorry, it was mostly tongue in cheek. It was just what the Atlanta executives argued when they were questioned. Personally, I think the situations are not at all comparable, except that they're both hilarious.
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Oh really? A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension?
As the kids say. Huh.
Basically, yes. Offer more money than other teams.
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Oh really? A team can force a free agent to sign a contract extension?
As the kids say. Huh.
Why?
Regardless, according to the numbers posted by MUBurrow, the Bears arguably had to overpay to keep Sweat from free agency.
Common sense. No, you can't "force" anyone to sign an extension but any team trading a 2nd rounder for him was going to extend him.
And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting.
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Do we know that for sure?
What if, instead of Love, the Packers had chosen another player still on the board ... Patrick Queen, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Antoine Winfield, Jayson Johnson, Trevor Diggs.
Would a player like that helped put the 2020 or 2021 Packers in the Super Bowl?
None of us can answer that question, of course, but you should weigh the opportunity cost of passing on really good players for a QB you stash for three seasons.
Regardless of all that, it's not an apples to apples situation. Love wasn't taken 8th overall a month after the Packers gave Rodgers $100 million.
Ironically it was the quarterback that was Green Bay’s biggest problem in the ‘21 playoffs.
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And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting.
What other high-profile pass rushers are you comping him to?
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What other high-profile pass rushers are you comping him to?
Hunter
Chubb
Crosby
Gary
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Hunter
Chubb
Crosby
Gary
Crosby? That's not close.
Crosby has more career sacks (52 to 41.5), more tackles (321 to 222), more TFLs (88 to 51), more QB hits (124 to 99).
He finished 4th in DPOY last year and 6th in 2022. Sweat's never been in the top 10. He's been second-team All Pro twice. Sweat has never been first or second team.
All that, and Crosby is a year younger and has never missed a game to injury. He's a significantly better player.
Hunter? Since Sweat has been in the league, Hunter has more sacks, tackles and TFLs ... despite sitting out one of those seasons.
I'll give you Chubb and Gary. But both those guys received smaller guarantees - and in Gary's case, substantially smaller - than Sweat. As did Crosby and Hunter.
It's fine. The Bears have the money and it's not necessarily bad that they're using it. But they absolutely went over the market to keep Sweat from hitting free agency.
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Common sense. No, you can't "force" anyone to sign an extension but any team trading a 2nd rounder for him was going to extend him.
And while it was a lot of money I hardly consider it much of an overpay considering what other high-profile edge rushers are getting.
Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder. Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy?
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder. Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy?
I think the thinking is that without the trade, he's not on the open market. I'm guessing the second round price tag was due to both teams being fairly certain he'd sign.
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I think the thinking is that without the trade, he's not on the open market. I'm guessing the second round price tag was due to both teams being fairly certain he'd sign.
But how could anyone guarantee that? If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market. This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal. What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.
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But how could anyone guarantee that? If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market. This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal. What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.
Speaking of the Bears; I assume Williams has told them he will not play for Chicago by now, right?
He looks pissed going up to the stage to meet Goodell and refused to talk to Odunze. 8-)
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that if the Bears don't trade for him, they keep the 2nd rounder. Plus they can get Sweat for less in free agency since they're not forced into extending the guy?
No, it absolutely wouldn't because the dude was not making it to free agency.
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Crosby? That's not close.
Crosby has more career sacks (52 to 41.5), more tackles (321 to 222), more TFLs (88 to 51), more QB hits (124 to 99).
He finished 4th in DPOY last year and 6th in 2022. Sweat's never been in the top 10. He's been second-team All Pro twice. Sweat has never been first or second team.
All that, and Crosby is a year younger and has never missed a game to injury. He's a significantly better player.
Hunter? Since Sweat has been in the league, Hunter has more sacks, tackles and TFLs ... despite sitting out one of those seasons.
I'll give you Chubb and Gary. But both those guys received smaller guarantees - and in Gary's case, substantially smaller - than Sweat. As did Crosby and Hunter.
It's fine. The Bears have the money and it's not necessarily bad that they're using it. But they absolutely went over the market to keep Sweat from hitting free agency.
It's semantics and we're just quibbling with words now but I didn't say it wasn't an overpay. I said I didn't consider it to be a drastic overpay and I still don't. We can agree to disagree on that point.
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If the Bears and Cubs (and MUBB, TBH) were 10% as infallible as VBMG makes them out to be they would have every Super Bowl/World Series since the day he was born. They have never done anything wrong and are perfectly run organizations.
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But how could anyone guarantee that? If Sweat wanted to, he could have hit the market. This worked out great for him, of course, he had the Bears by the short and curlys... since they'd have looked like fools if they traded and didn't sign him to a deal. What I'm getting at is that the Bears overpaid twice for him.
And I think this is an awful take.
They weren't getting a comparable player at pick 40 nor were they guaranteed to be able to add an equally impactful defensive end in free agency.
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No, it absolutely wouldn't because the dude was not making it to free agency.
Okay, so explain why he wasn't.
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And I think this is an awful take.
They weren't getting a comparable player at pick 40 nor were they guaranteed to be able to add an equally impactful defensive end in free agency.
You're missing the forest for the trees here, pardner.
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If the Bears and Cubs (and MUBB, TBH) were 10% as infallible as VBMG makes them out to be they would have every Super Bowl/World Series since the day he was born. They have never done anything wrong and are perfectly run organizations.
Obviously that's not remotely what I'm saying but I'm glad to see you've remained extremely consistent in your stupidity.
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Okay, so explain why he wasn't.
You're missing the forest for the trees here, pardner.
I'm really not. The Commanders were absolutely going to trade Sweat. Whichever team acquired him at the cost of a 2nd rounder was absolutely going to extend him. If you can't accept or understand that I really don't know what else to say. The Bears would not have been able to keep their 2nd rounder and sign Sweat
The Bears weighed that cost (draft currency and contract extension) and compared it to the defensive ends that may have made it to free agency where they'd have to bid against other teams. Who were the potentially comparable edge rushers that fit the Bears defensive scheme in terms of style and age? It was pretty barren so they felt the pick and the extension was worth it and based on how Sweat and the defense performed the last 9 games of the season it's hard to disagree.
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I'm really not. The Commanders were absolutely going to trade Sweat. Whichever team acquired him at the cost of a 2nd rounder was absolutely going to extend him. If you can't accept or understand that I really don't know what else to say. The Bears would not have been able to keep their 2nd rounder and sign Sweat
The Bears weighed that cost (draft currency and contract extension) and compared it to the defensive ends that may have made it to free agency where they'd have to bid against other teams. Who were the potentially comparable edge rushers that fit the Bears defensive scheme in terms of style and age? It was pretty barren so they felt the pick and the extension was worth it and based on how Sweat and the defense performed the last 9 games of the season it's hard to disagree.
You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right? Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything. He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.
You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.
He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day.
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You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right? Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything. He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.
You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.
He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day.
I think you are underestimating how much the Bears probably talked to Sweat or his agent before they make this trade. I am guessing they had parameters set up for a contract by the time they traded him. He signed only like 5 days after the trade.
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You do realize that teams can't unilaterally extend a players contract... right? Sweat, after being traded was not required to sign anything. He could have just played the remainder of his contract and walked into free agency free and clear.
You don't need to help me, I think you don't understand how contracts work.
He signed because he had leverage, and got a big pay day.
If Chicago didn't get him, Atlanta was .
Reports were:"Atlanta had its sights set on Sweat, but Washington went with Chicago's offer," ESPN wrote. "That left the Falcons without much-needed pass-rush help. And my understanding is Atlanta was willing to extend Sweat's contract as part of the deal and that Sweat wanted to go to Atlanta, where he has family. All of that fell through."
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I think you are underestimating how much the Bears probably talked to Sweat or his agent before they make this trade. I am guessing they had parameters set up for a contract by the time they traded him. He signed only like 5 days after the trade.
No, I don't doubt that at all. I fully understand that. That's half my point.
If Chicago didn't get him, Atlanta was .
Reports were:"Atlanta had its sights set on Sweat, but Washington went with Chicago's offer," ESPN wrote. "That left the Falcons without much-needed pass-rush help. And my understanding is Atlanta was willing to extend Sweat's contract as part of the deal and that Sweat wanted to go to Atlanta, where he has family. All of that fell through."
This is what I was looking for, thanks. Amazing that VBMG didn't just say this from the jump.
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Some people ask “if a team at #1 knows who they’re picking, why do they wait so long into the 10 minute time allotment to make the pick?”. Obvious answer of course is that’s what the league wants so their tv partners can get the story of the draft going. Was interesting in Poles phone call to Caleb, hearing Poles tell him “league is making us wait until at least the 5 minute mark to turn the pick in”.
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Some people ask “if a team at #1 knows who they’re picking, why do they wait so long into the 10 minute time allotment to make the pick?”. Obvious answer of course is that’s what the league wants so their tv partners can get the story of the draft going. Was interesting in Poles phone call to Caleb, hearing Poles tell him “league is making us wait until at least the 5 minute mark to turn the pick in”.
You could see when the cameras were on him that he wanted the process moved along.
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PART 2!!!!!
What does your team need? How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat? Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
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PART 2!!!!!
What does your team need? How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat? Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
I would be surprised if Sweat is picked tonight. Between the DUI, previous reports of off-field issues and his weight, I think a lot of teams are going to take a pass on a guy who's essentially a niche player.
And of course, now he'll probably go in the first 10 picks tonight.
My team (the Rrrrrrrraaaaaiiideerrrrs) desperately need an OT or CB. Understand why they passed on one last night when Bowers fell to them, but tonight they've got to fill some needs.
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PART 2!!!!!
What does your team need? How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat? Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
Packers need a kicker
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Packers need a kicker
Can they get one out of the portal?
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Can they get one out of the portal?
I’d take a kicking donkey over the clown they have
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PART 2!!!!!
What does your team need? How much money does a DUI cost T'Vondre Sweat? Would you want your team to take a flyer on him at some point?
Titans. Wow.
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I would be surprised if Sweat is picked tonight. Between the DUI, previous reports of off-field issues and his weight, I think a lot of teams are going to take a pass on a guy who's essentially a niche player.
And of course, now he'll probably go in the first 10 picks tonight.
My team (the Rrrrrrrraaaaaiiideerrrrs) desperately need an OT or CB. Understand why they passed on one last night when Bowers fell to them, but tonight they've got to fill some needs.
Welp!
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Unreal that the Packers didn't pinch pennies to secure Dejean.
We don't need more late round picks
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Unreal that the Packers didn't pinch pennies to secure Dejean.
We don't need more late round picks
Unreal that people are still questioning Gutey's draft strategy.
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Unreal that people are still questioning Gutey's draft strategy.
You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...
Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.
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You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...
Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.
Could be. But you have no idea who they valued at what level. Trading down to get the next best option could very well be worth it.
Honestly, complaining how he has built this team is laughable.
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Half watching, but feels like every 2nd round pick has been traded.
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You're right, he's sitting there polishing his Super Bowl trophy...
Packers traded out immediately so he was just swiped.
All these picks will help us trade up for a kicker later
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Terrible pick by the Packers
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Could be. But you have no idea who they valued at what level. Trading down to get the next best option could very well be worth it.
Honestly, complaining how he has built this team is laughable.
My guess is they had a significant number of players that they rated equally, and would be more than happy to have:
ex. DeJean, McKinstry, Melton, Powers-Johnson, Cooper
And knew that no matter what one of them would be available, even with moving back. So might as well secure some extra picks and get one of your highly desired players.
The only other option would have been to try to trade up and get 2 of them, but waste a lot of draft capital to do so.
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Fine pick. Unless he turns into DB Cooper.
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Fine pick. Unless he turns into DB Cooper.
He stonks
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My guess is they had a significant number of players that they rated equally, and would be more than happy to have:
ex. DeJean, McKinstry, Melton, Powers-Johnson, Cooper
And knew that no matter what one of them would be available, even with moving back. So might as well secure some extra picks and get one of your highly desired players.
The only other option would have been to try to trade up and get 2 of them, but waste a lot of draft capital to do so.
Exactly.
Justis Mosqueda from @acmepackingco thinks they were targeting Cooper among others. They needed an LB anyway.
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Fine pick. Unless he turns into DB Cooper.
Stellar pick if he turns into Alice Cooper.
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So I guess the Bills just liked Keon Coleman more than Xavier Worthy?
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Round 2 worked out pretty well for GB.
Pretty much got who they wanted and picked up extra picks.
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Someday, I hope that someone loves me as much as Gutey loves defenders from Georgia.
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Awful draft by the Packers so far. Failing to address kicker will cost this team
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GB got their Brian Branch.
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Rakestraw Jr was rumored to be a possibility for Detroit at 29. Doubling down on DBs is interesting. Depth no longer an issue. So many additions on defense during the offseason.
The last 6 games of the season must have really (ticked) Holmes and Campbell off. Maybe Detroit will have enough defense that Campbell can trust it to win games.
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Round 2 worked out pretty well for GB.
Pretty much got who they wanted and picked up extra picks.
https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1784039665999266257
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Awful draft by the Packers so far. Failing to address kicker will cost this team
only explanation I can think of is they’re working on convincing Chris Jacke to come out of retirement.
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only explanation I can think of is they’re working on convincing Chris Jacke to come out of retirement.
Crosby would pull a Tonya Harding on Jacke...
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ESPN's Matt Miller made the case Saturday that Mel Kiper belongs in Canton, and it's hard to argue with the point.
The draft has become one of professional football's biggest events (see: 700,000 people in Detroit while millions watched on three networks in prime time), and it's in no small measure due to the draft industrial complex Mel pioneered.