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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: geps on September 16, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
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From CBSsports.com today - The United States of College Basketball:
Wisconsin
Outlook: If Bo Ryan retires after this season (I don't think that's happening), is Wisconsin for sure a better program through 2020 than Marquette? I can't promise it will be, but we're taking the "Baaa-jers" here because we think Ryan sticks it out a few more years, and if Greg Gard takes over, then Wisconsin could conceivably still outpace the Golden Eagles.
Probably fair comments.
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This year should have a lot to say. I'm betting that they'll surprise, but by how much?
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Gard has the in on the job but if they should choose someone else, it could potentially have negative effects for the storied program.
It's hard to follow a successful coach who's synonymous with winning at one school even if you're a long-time assistant.
Just look at Hank.
The recruiting classes will definitely figure into the success of the Badgers.
If rumors persist of Bo retiring, who wants to commit to a coach that may not be there?
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Gard has the in on the job but if they should choose someone else, it could potentially have negative effects for the storied program.
It's hard to follow a successful coach who's synonymous with winning at one school even if you're a long-time assistant.
Just look at Hank.
The recruiting classes will definitely figure into the success of the Badgers.
If rumors persist of Bo retiring, who wants to commit to a coach that may not be there?
Well, evidently Kobe King does, who MU wanted.
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Well, evidently Kobe King does, who MU wanted.
Good get for Wisconsin, though at this point, I'm not even sure it's relevant. King is over a year away from being able to sign a LOI. If Bo leaves, does King stay? Maybe if it's Gard, if not, who knows what he does. Could be he doesn't like the replacement, or the replacement may not want him. Considering the Badgers situation, I'd say at best anyone committing to them is about 50/50 likely to ever get there.
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Good get for Wisconsin, though at this point, I'm not even sure it's relevant. King is over a year away from being able to sign a LOI. If Bo leaves, does King stay? Maybe if it's Gard, if not, who knows what he does. Could be he doesn't like the replacement, or the replacement may not want him. Considering the Badgers situation, I'd say at best anyone committing to them is about 50/50 likely to ever get there.
I think most of these recruits are well aware of the fact that Bo said he was going to retire after this season, and I'm pretty confident in assuming that Bo is keeping these players in the know about his thoughts and what he expects to happen in the future. I think if anybody is committing to UW, the chances of them going there are well above 50/50. If they have doubts about where the program will be by the time they get to UW, they won't be committing there. I'd put the chances of King going to UW at about 85%.
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Can't argue with UW being on top right now. We have potential and I like our position vs. theirs over the next few years, but we have to earn it on the court.
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From CBSsports.com today - The United States of College Basketball:
Wisconsin
Outlook: If Bo Ryan retires after this season (I don't think that's happening), is Wisconsin for sure a better program through 2020 than Marquette? I can't promise it will be, but we're taking the "Baaa-jers" here because we think Ryan sticks it out a few more years, and if Greg Gard takes over, then Wisconsin could conceivably still outpace the Golden Eagles.
Probably fair comments.
This speaks volumes about the national impression of the Badgers. Sports writers out of the state are going to be pretty unplugged on anything not in the past few years. Pretty incredible that a team with back to back NCAA no-shows is seen as roughly equal to back-to-bak FFs.
Wasn't there a debate on here about better job?
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This speaks volumes about the national impression of the Badgers. Sports writers out of the state are going to be pretty unplugged on anything not in the past few years. Pretty incredible that a team with back to back NCAA no-shows is seen as roughly equal to back-to-bak FFs.
I think it speaks more to three guy's opinions of foreseeable future prospects than of recent success. And for the first time in a long, long time, could it be that we may have a more stable coaching situation than our inbred cousins to the west?
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I was hoping for Kobe King, but if Wojo and his staff can keep bringing in quality recruits and land the younger Hauser brother, we'll top the badgers.
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Can't argue with UW being on top right now. We have potential and I like our position vs. theirs over the next few years, but we have to earn it on the court.
Here, here. Well said!
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Sadly even at our peak after 2013 the Badgers still had us by a slim margin. Speaks to how good Bo Ryan was in fact going back to Stu Jackson when they started to surge they've been the better program unfortunately.
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Here, here. Well said!
I might be wrong on this, but I always thought it was "Hear, hear." Maybe?
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I think most of these recruits are well aware of the fact that Bo said he was going to retire after this season, and I'm pretty confident in assuming that Bo is keeping these players in the know about his thoughts and what he expects to happen in the future. I think if anybody is committing to UW, the chances of them going there are well above 50/50. If they have doubts about where the program will be by the time they get to UW, they won't be committing there. I'd put the chances of King going to UW at about 85%.
Respect the process, a'ina?
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I might be wrong on this, but I always thought it was "Hear, hear." Maybe?
I like to say it with my hand out.
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The thing is we CAN be the best program in the state. It's UW or MU and we are in that conversation; so it will always be an open question.
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The thing is we CAN be the best program in the state. It's UW or MU and we are in that conversation; so it will always be an open question.
Not exactly North Carolina Indiana or Ohio level competition for that second spot though. Even if we had fallen to DePaul level we'd be better than UWM and UWGB
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bo can win with just about anyone...and reach the levels he did with a few good recruits. i don't think the same is true for many coaches in the nation, let alone gard. if WI can get someone like tony bennett (and i don't think they can) they'd be fools not to. a bo ryan retirement at the end of the year and a gard hire is the best case scenario for MU.
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Sadly even at our peak after 2013 the Badgers still had us by a slim margin. Speaks to how good Bo Ryan was in fact going back to Stu Jackson when they started to surge they've been the better program unfortunately.
If you recall in the 2011, 2012 timeframe there was some serious dissension among Badger fans that Bo simply wasn't able to recruit the level of athlete that would be necessary to reach the final four. And a lot of that dissension was based on the fact that Buzz had not only gotten guys like Vander which was seen by Badger Fans as one they should have had but also Buzz was beginning to prove he could win in March. I remember reading threads on the Badger board that said that MU was recruiting the level of athlete the game now demanded and Bo was stuck in the past. Add to that the fact that the Big East was far and away the strongest conference at that time and I think most people would have said MU was more likely to reach the FF than Wis. Of course a lot happened in 2013 and Bo proved he could win with his type guys. Things can change a lot in a short time. I think Bo is really one of a kind. It wouldn't take much for Wis Basketball to slip back to Illinois level; good some years weak others, certainly not a FF contender. At that point the programs are probably equal unless Wojo turns out to be an elite level coach
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Not exactly North Carolina Indiana or Ohio level competition for that second spot though. Even if we had fallen to DePaul level we'd be better than UWM and UWGB
Well, there's UW Stevens Point, 4 times national champs (DIII) in the last 11 years.
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bo can win with just about anyone...and reach the levels he did with a few good recruits.
You're underselling Dekker, at least according to his recruiting ranking.