Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[brewcity77]

Ok fine how about for teams that actually have NCAA tourney hopes

Maybe, but Creighton jumped 24 when they beat Villanova, and it wouldn't surprise me if the early NET results had similarly large shifts. NET is subject to drastic swings in the first couple months because it only incorporates this year's data. That's why I predicted last night we would jump more in NET than we did in kenpom, because kenpom's data set has extra data factored in until mid to late January. When there's a huge outlier results, the extra data in kenpom lessens the impact a little bit of that outlier, whereas NET is only this season so the results lead to bigger swings.

Honestly, that's why I wished they waited to put the NET out until later. I know everyone wants as much information as possible, but while a game like last night will always lead to big swings, the more data you have the more accurate it is. That's why the first NET usually has some ridiculous teams really high (Wyoming was #12, Wagner #23 are two that stand out). Better to bring it out around between Christmas and the New Year. You have a natural lull in games during that week and people are content-starved, while it also provides better data than an early-December release. At least get a third of the season done first.

[Tha Hound]

Just an absolutely huge win, and even better that we kept the massive lead throughout. We might still have hope

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 6, 2022
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8   11   Villanova   
17   17   UConn   
22   23   Xavier   
24   26   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
58   57   Marquette   
65   49   Creighton
98   91   DePaul   
109   115   St. John's
139   139   Butler   
158   156   Georgetown   

[Uncle Rico]

Up to 49th in KenPom

[PGsHeroes32]

Gtown sucks but will be interesting to see what a 28 pt beating does for the Net

[DoctorV]

KenPom instantaneous, nice

85 to 61 to 49 in 2 games in KenPom, wowzers.

I’m pretty sure the NET uses KenPom as one of its metrics, so it should be a nice lift in the NET as well.

Likely into the 40s

[Mu8891]

When was the last time MU put
consecutive 30 Point Beat downs on two conference opponents??

Wow.  And ... thank you again Wes Matthew’s

[MarquetteMike1977]

Gtown sucks but will be interesting to see what a 28 pt beating does for the Net

Agree especially on the road

[brewcity77]

KenPom instantaneous, nice

85 to 61 to 49 in 2 games in KenPom, wowzers.

I’m pretty sure the NET uses KenPom as one of its metrics, so it should be a nice lift in the NET as well.

Likely into the 40s

The NET is its own formula and doesn't use other metrics, but Pomeroy was one of the mathematicians they brought in to consult when designing the NET & his site is usually the closest analogue to the NCAA formula.

[DoctorV]

The NET is its own formula and doesn't use other metrics, but Pomeroy was one of the mathematicians they brought in to consult when designing the NET & his site is usually the closest analogue to the NCAA formula.

Did they consult with you?

[brewcity77]

Did they consult with you?

LOL definitely not. But they should when it comes to Selection Sunday. 😜

[TallTitan34]

But they should when it comes to Selection Sunday. 😜

Disagree!  You say we need 11 wins to get in.  Hoping for someone more generous haha.

[DoctorV]

Disagree!  You say we need 11 wins to get in.  Hoping for someone more generous haha.

He’s gonna have to change his tune soon with all these blowout wins!!

Those metrics are starting to look really appetizing even with 10 wins, amirite Brew?

[brewcity77]

Those metrics are starting to look really appetizing even with 10 wins, amirite Brew?

Actually...yes. Part of the reason I've been saying 11 is because I thought that's what it would take to get to around 55 in NET. We'll be in the 40s by morning and if we get to 10 Big East wins, should be in the 35-45 range in the NET. That lowers our needed threshold to 18 wins, though I don't think it will get lower than that. 17 is too few no matter what the metrics look like, unless we lose another game and don't make up St John's.

[DoctorV]

Nice!

Fair warning though- they work both ways!

One blowout loss to DePaul and it’s back to square one

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[MarquetteMike1977]

NET just came out Marquette is 45

[bilsu]

Actually...yes. Part of the reason I've been saying 11 is because I thought that's what it would take to get to around 55 in NET. We'll be in the 40s by morning and if we get to 10 Big East wins, should be in the 35-45 range in the NET. That lowers our needed threshold to 18 wins, though I don't think it will get lower than that. 17 is too few no matter what the metrics look like, unless we lose another game and don't make up St John's.

Bottom of bubble at 17
top of bubble at 18
In at 19.

I think it was Indiana or N.C. St who got in with 17 wins pre-covid. At the time I did not think a 17 win team should of gotten a bid over a mdi-major. It seems like Syracuse is always getting in with a lousy record and they usually win their first game.

[brewcity77]

Bottom of bubble at 17
top of bubble at 18
In at 19.

I think it was Indiana or N.C. St who got in with 17 wins pre-covid. At the time I did not think a 17 win team should of gotten a bid over a mdi-major. It seems like Syracuse is always getting in with a lousy record and they usually win their first game.

Off hand, I think the last sub 18 team to get in as an at-large before COVID was that 16-14 Georgia team. Oklahoma got in at 18-13. Both Indiana (2006) and NC State (2003) got in with 18, but that was awhile ago.

[PGsHeroes32]

I know Vandy like 5 years back was 17-14 pre sec tourney.

They won a couple in SEC tourney but I’m pretty sure 1. Most thought they were in at 17-14 and 2. They avoided play in with the 19-15 or whatever it ended up

[Goose]

I said months ago that my expectation for this season were to be in by March 1st, not a bubble team. There is not a team that we cannot beat if firing on all cylinders and we should do that more often than not moving forward. I would be disappointed if we are on bubble watch going into BE tourney.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 7,2022
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8   8   Villanova   
15   16   UConn   
20   20   Xavier   
26   26   Seton Hall   
33   34   Providence   
45   55   Marquette   
58   65   Creighton   
97   98   DePaul   
105   104   St. John's
146   141   Butler
190   157  Georgetown

[MarquetteMike1977]

NET just came out Marquette is 44

[robmufan]

I feel like Syracuse gets in with 17 wins all the time (and I am too lazy to check that).

I think if we can just remain in the last 4 in conversation, it will be hard to take someone else’s resume over ours…

[Herman Cain]

 Big East NET rankings as of games of January 8, 2022
New Old
7   8   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
17   20   Xavier   
25   26   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
44   45   Marquette   
66   58   Creighton   
103   97   DePaul   
108   105   St. John's
138   146   Butler
191   190   Georgetown