Carton vs. Trice, last possession

[Warrior of Law]

Carton walks the ball up the court, seemingly oblivious that the team is down a point with only seconds remaining (painfully dumb), and is bailed out with a “bone-headed” foul on Trice.  That was crazy.  Advantage Carton, under the circumstances.

[DoctorV]

Carton walks the ball up the court, seemingly oblivious that the team is down a point with only seconds remaining (painfully dumb), and is bailed out with a “bone-headed” foul on Trice.  That was crazy.  Advantage Carton, under the circumstances.

Missed it, can I see a video please

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Eh, dont forget the TV clock was about a second off. A little late to start his drive, sure but better than what it initially seemed.

[AlumKCof93]

On the last possession, the clock started once the ball was inbounded not when it was first touched.  It cost Marquette about .5 seconds but all’s well that ends well.

[MU82]

Also, DJ totally schooled Trice on two other trips during the closing minute or so. Cruised right past him to score big hoops.

He's still knocking off the rust a little, and the shot isn't falling yet, but DJ is going to be something when he puts it all together. It's nice to have a PG who can control the tempo, get himself and others involved and play some D.

[1SE]

Video here:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1335042282228166658

Trying to not to be a homer - it was a close call and definitely bailed Carton out - but Trice wasn't set and is leaning into Carton from the side - and they had been calling that all night.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

It was clearly a foul be Trice.  And it was a poor one.

[brewcity77]

It was clearly a foul be Trice.  And it was a poor one.

If I remember right, they basically called the exact same thing a block on Davison when he leaned in while shuffling feet in the first half.

[Not A Serious Person]

It was clearly a foul be Trice.  And it was a poor one.

The TV announcers (especially Lavin) noted a point of emphasis this year in officiating is the last play of the game. No longer encouraged to “let them play” but call it the same as they would any other play in the game.

That was a foul in the first half ... and was correctly called a foul with one second left.

[mug644]

If the foul hadn’t happened, I don’t see how Carton was going to be able to get any kind of decent shot off before the buzzer.

The refs made the correct call.

[Lighthouse 84]

If the foul hadn’t happened, I don’t see how Carton was going to be able to get any kind of decent shot off before the buzzer.

The refs made the correct call.

Agreed.  When I saw it live, I thought it might have been offensive, and no way he'd have gotten a shot off.  The replay clearly showed Trice was moving though.  Did DJ even know how  much time he had?

[brewcity77]

Agreed.  When I saw it live, I thought it might have been offensive, and no way he'd have gotten a shot off.  The replay clearly showed Trice was moving though.  Did DJ even know how  much time he had?

He did, but people watching on TV didn't. The arena clock was about a second behind the broadcast clock. It was apparent on a few of the late shot clock situations:

Arena shows 7.3, broadcast shows 6.3: https://twitter.com/dwalsh76/status/1335048005435744257?s=21

Arena shows 1.2, broadcast shows 0.9, though the broadcast clock froze on 0.9 as DJ started his drive: https://twitter.com/eyeformation/status/1335045651051270144?s=21

Considering Carton actually had about 2.2 seconds when he started his drive from the top of the key (not the 0.9 the broadcast showed) it was plenty of time to get to the rim.

[Lighthouse 84]

He did, but people watching on TV didn't. The arena clock was about a second behind the broadcast clock. It was apparent on a few of the late shot clock situations:

Arena shows 7.3, broadcast shows 6.3: https://twitter.com/dwalsh76/status/1335048005435744257?s=21

Arena shows 1.2, broadcast shows 0.9, though the broadcast clock froze on 0.9 as DJ started his drive: https://twitter.com/eyeformation/status/1335045651051270144?s=21

Considering Carton actually had about 2.2 seconds when he started his drive from the top of the key (not the 0.9 the broadcast showed) it was plenty of time to get to the rim.

Thanks for the  clarification Brew.

[MU82]

DJ had time. And it was absolutely a foul on Trice. Glad the refs called it.

I have always been against the "let the players decide it" mentality. It's stupid. If you're a ref and you don't call a foul that you know was a foul, you ARE deciding it. I know these calls will always piss off one of the two coaches/teams/fanbases. What else is new? That's the job.

[Viper]

Carton walks the ball up the court, seemingly oblivious that the team is down a point with only seconds remaining (painfully dumb), and is bailed out with a “bone-headed” foul on Trice.  That was crazy.  Advantage Carton, under the circumstances.

btw, Carton’s free throw form? Terrible. Shooting...even ‘throws, a lost art? (noticed Theo’s form at the line last night regressed to that of last season)

[mu_hilltopper]

Carton walks the ball up the court, seemingly oblivious that the team is down a point with only seconds remaining (painfully dumb), and is bailed out..

I agree with this analysis .. MU had a timeout left .. I was stunned at how nonchalant DJ was as he moved the ball up court -- even if the TV clock was ~1 second off.   If the intent was to get to the hoop, well, get there fast so a bad shot can be rebounded.   

I think Trice fouled him .. but DJ was 1000% lucky it happened.

[Pakuni]

btw, Carton’s free throw form? Terrible. Shooting...even ‘throws, a lost art? (noticed Theo’s form at the line last night regressed to that of last season)

Small sample size, but Theo's free throw shooting is much improved so far this year. Prior to last night he was 13-for-15 from the line.

[jesmu84]

Missed it, can I see a video please

Wait.

You've made tons of comments/analysis about the game last night. But you missed the last 5 seconds?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

DJ had time. And it was absolutely a foul on Trice. Glad the refs called it.

I have always been against the "let the players decide it" mentality. It's stupid. If you're a ref and you don't call a foul that you know was a foul, you ARE deciding it. I know these calls will always piss off one of the two coaches/teams/fanbases. What else is new? That's the job.

100%

[Jockey]

There was no question about the foul. It was clear as day. Trice said after the game he committed a stupid foul and Gard said it was a clear foul.

No controversy in the matter at all.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There was no question about the foul. It was clear as day. Trice said after the game he committed a stupid foul and Gard said it was a clear foul.

No controversy in the matter at all.

A couple people on Buckyville are complaining but most feel the same as Gard. A little more complaining about Potter getting pushed around on the FT, but even then they feel that no foul is going to be called there.

[Jockey]

A couple people on Buckyville are complaining but most feel the same as Gard. A little more complaining about Potter getting pushed around on the FT, but even then they feel that no foul is going to be called there.

Lewis made the smart play. He used his lower body to push Potter under the basket rather than pushing him in the back.

[tower912]

Badgers have been using their lower body to move opponents for years.   A staple under Bo.

[MU82]

A couple people on Buckyville are complaining but most feel the same as Gard. A little more complaining about Potter getting pushed around on the FT, but even then they feel that no foul is going to be called there.

Those late-game FT rebound situations are always a bit of hand-to-hand combat, a free-for-all. Unless somebody grabs the opponent and throws him to the ground, there rarely are fouls called in those situations. Not saying that's right, but it's just the fact.

Although I think Lewis outworked Potter, there also was luck involved in the bounce the ball took to get to Justin. It happens. In the end, you make your luck and you have to take advantage when it happens. When Tiger was the best golfer in the world by a mile, he often said he also was the luckiest golfer in the world.

[Autoengineer]

It's obvious to me not only does Gard allow his guys to flop on a regular basis, he and his coaching staff teaches it and encourages it. The refs weren't having it in this game. 

[shoothoops]

I rewatched the end of the game, a few times.

Not enough urgency from DJ going full court with 5 plus seconds. No pass up court, no sprint.  I don't believe he would have gotten a shot off had he not been fouled. To pull up, set, and get the ball off of his fingertips would have taken too long.

His 2nd foul shot barely hit the front rim.

There was no foul during the 2nd FT. Not close actually.

Glad it all worked out. It easily could have been a different board after the game.

[Johnny B]

I rewatched the end of the game, a few times.

Not enough urgency from DJ going full court with 5 plus seconds. No pass up court, no sprint.  I don't believe he would have gotten a shot off had he not been fouled. To pull up, set, and get the ball off of his fingertips would have taken too long.

His 2nd foul shot barely hit the front rim.

There was no foul during the 2nd FT. Not close actually.

Glad it all worked out. It easily could have been a different board after the game.

That block aint called and this board is utter chaos rn

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That block aint called and this board is utter chaos rn

Honestly I was very impressed the way they played. I would not have been critical had that turned out differently.

[Johnny B]

yeah but u know how people o here are

[TSmith34, Inc.]

His 2nd foul shot barely hit the front rim.

Which, as luck would have it, was exactly the sort of bounce Lewis needed to make that tip.

[DoctorV]

Wait.

You've made tons of comments/analysis about the game last night. But you missed the last 5 seconds?

I am a medium...

Just kidding, I was being sarcastic and wanted to watch the replay, hoped someone would post it.

After the dust settled I thought to myself that it seemed like DJ Carton “drew the pk.” Anyone with soccer background will know what I mean, many call it “diving” in the box to draw a penalty.

As many have noted he was extremely nonchalant about it, which I actually see as a positive and not negative attribute in the instance, and I wonder if he thought to himself that he’s going to drive to draw contact and get the call. Probably not, but it’s actually a very heads up albeit brazen move. Trice definitely obliged if he was hoping for contact.

[YoungMUFan4]

Just kidding, I was being sarcastic and wanted to watch the replay, hoped someone would post it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJwts2643q0

[cheebs09]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJwts2643q0

When Trice took that shot, I didn’t think it was going to go in. Good defense, but Trice came up clutch there.

[franklinjerry]

Trice admitted he did not play it well, was trying to turn Carton off his left hand and clearly committing a blocking foul. I thought it wise not to call a timeout and allow Canton to drive though admit it would have been a tough make.

DJ is the best PG Wojo has had. I've expected him to look better in the first 4 games (inconsistent shot, lazy with the ball) but for us to win he needs to play 30+ minutes and have the ball in his hands. Seen nothing from Symir yet to indicate he's more than a 10 minute backup and no reason to ever have the ball in Koby's hands, though his stroke looks better!

[bilsu]

I do not think coaches should ever call timeout for an end of game play. I think it gives more advantage to defense. Coaches should practice a final play in practice, so the team knows what to do in a situation that is going to occur during the season.

[We R Final Four]

Trice admitted he did not play it well, was trying to turn Carton off his left hand and clearly committing a blocking foul. I thought it wise not to call a timeout and allow Canton to drive though admit it would have been a tough make.
+1. However, I have much less angst about Koby this year than last.
It seems Sy is just trying to not make a mistake. He doesn’t seem comfortable out there at all. Agreed, 10 minutes of backup is fine.

DJ is the best PG Wojo has had. I've expected him to look better in the first 4 games (inconsistent shot, lazy with the ball) but for us to win he needs to play 30+ minutes and have the ball in his hands. Seen nothing from Symir yet to indicate he's more than a 10 minute backup and no reason to ever have the ball in Koby's hands, though his stroke looks better!

[Newsdreams]

Trice admitted he did not play it well, was trying to turn Carton off his left hand and clearly committing a blocking foul. I thought it wise not to call a timeout and allow Canton to drive though admit it would have been a tough make.

DJ is the best PG Wojo has had. I've expected him to look better in the first 4 games (inconsistent shot, lazy with the ball) but for us to win he needs to play 30+ minutes and have the ball in his hands. Seen nothing from Symir yet to indicate he's more than a 10 minute backup and no reason to ever have the ball in Koby's hands, though his stroke looks better!

IMHO in CBK there is no real point in calling a timeout in that situation, NBA yes because you get the ball in your court, in CBK you're just helping the opponent setup the D. We have a good PG, I'm sure end of games situations are talked about and practiced. Remember DJ last played / practice (with a team) since January before arriving at MU, I have already noticed a lot of improvement since first game.

[Uncle Rico]

I do not think coaches should ever call timeout for an end of game play. I think it gives more advantage to defense. Coaches should practice a final play in practice, so the team knows what to do in a situation that is going to occur during the season.

There are probably times they need to but I generally agree with this.  Get the defense on their heels as quick as possible and attack

[brewcity77]

IMHO in CBK there is no real point in calling a timeout in that situation, NBA yes because you get the ball in your court, in CBK you're just helping the opponent setup the D. We have a good PG, I'm sure end of games situations are talked about and practiced. Remember DJ last played / practice (with a team) since January before arriving at MU, I have already noticed a lot of improvement since first game.

Agree completely. I feel the offensive timeout in that situation usually gives the defense the advantage.

[StillWarriors]

Trice admitted he did not play it well, was trying to turn Carton off his left hand and clearly committing a blocking foul. I thought it wise not to call a timeout and allow Canton to drive though admit it would have been a tough make.

DJ is the best PG Wojo has had. I've expected him to look better in the first 4 games (inconsistent shot, lazy with the ball) but for us to win he needs to play 30+ minutes and have the ball in his hands. Seen nothing from Symir yet to indicate he's more than a 10 minute backup and no reason to ever have the ball in Koby's hands, though his stroke looks better!

Trice also said he was trying to draw a charge, which is somewhat shocking and an unnecessarily risky play. Oh well, glad it worked out for MU.

Completely agree on not calling a TO on that last play, particularly the way our half court offense has looked, including a shot clock violation on our first possession of the game. Put the D on their heels and go.

[MU82]

a shot clock violation on our first possession of the game.

Sources say there might have been a loud F-bomb heard on my block after that.

Musta been my neighbor.