McCain discontinues treatment

[radome]

Each deployment, the 11 person crews in a Navy Patrol Squadron typically get a patch made that only that crew wears. So, as the second in command of a squadron, my boss asked me to screen all crew patches. I am a fan of the patch that you and your crew know is naughty but someone's grandmother sees as innocent. One of the crew's did that well ... it was "The crew only your Mother could love". Well flying with them they certainly had a unique view on each other's mothers but that is for another day and that was a later deployment (a most trusted crew OBTW). So, I approve this patch for a senior crew (the lead personnel were Department Heads, vice straight out of flight school) as on the plane only ... look at me, on the plane only! It states "Old Farts, Old Parts, but we can still get them up" (image of a bent P-3). So, they give a tour on a detachment. A Congressional delegation (CODEL) comes aboard ... they are only wearing the patch on board (as directed). Ugh. The lead Senator on the CODEL requests a few of the patches. That lead Senator was John McCain.

I guess he never stopped being a Naval Aviator. RIP.

[MU82]

Oh come on. 

Yes, he lived a great American life.  Yes, his actions during the Vietnam War were commendable.  Yes, he was more of a maverick than most politicians these days.

But I'm growing a little weary of statements like the one above.  He flip flopped constantly over his career on issues like immigration and gun control to suit his political fortunes - especially over the last decade.  He was a politician who acted like most politicians.

One thing I even liked about his flip-flops is that he often admitted and apologized for them. In an era in which apologizing is seen as a horrible sign of weakness, I find that a little refreshing.

[WarriorDad]

Arizona is a very conservative state, and yet McCain won every Republican primary for U.S. House and U.S. Senate seats that he entered.

Massachusetts is a very liberal state, and Mitt Romney was their Governor.  Electorates do funny things some times.

Washington Post with a good article today describing what others have said to me.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-anger-at-mccain-speaks-volumes-about-americas-tribal-politics/2018/08/27/fb7fed5c-aa14-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4cfcbfc98086

Oh come on. 

Yes, he lived a great American life.  Yes, his actions during the Vietnam War were commendable.  Yes, he was more of a maverick than most politicians these days.

But I'm growing a little weary of statements like the one above.  He flip flopped constantly over his career on issues like immigration and gun control to suit his political fortunes - especially over the last decade.  He was a politician who acted like most politicians.

My opinion, too. He was this supposed gentleman in 2008, and from 2009 to 2016 trashed the man he supposedly was gentlemanly to.   

[Lennys Tap]

Massachusetts is a very liberal state, and Mitt Romney was their Governor.  Electorates do funny things some times.

Romney won the governor's race once in Massachusetts. He also ran for the US Senate from Massachusetts and lost = by more than 17 percentage points. And when he ran for president, he also lost Massachusetts.

McCain ran for the senate 6 times in Arizona - the closest any democrat came to him was 13 percentage points.

Nice try.

[MU82]

Massachusetts is a very liberal state, and Mitt Romney was their Governor.  Electorates do funny things some times.

First ... what Lenny said.

Second ... they might do funny things sometimes, but if conservatives "hated" him, they wouldn't have voted for him over and over and over again.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

First ... what Lenny said.

Second ... they might do funny things sometimes, but if conservatives "hated" him, they wouldn't have voted for him over and over and over again.

Conservatives didn't hate him, as witnessed by his election victories.  He took a lot of crap from the far right types for, amongst other things, casting the deciding vote against taking health care away from some people.  What a monster!

[MU82]

Conservatives didn't hate him, as witnessed by his election victories.  He took a lot of crap from the far right types for, amongst other things, casting the deciding vote against taking health care away from some people.  What a monster!

Stop it, TS ... you clearly didn't get the memo.

Conservatives HATED him. That's why they kept electing him!

You know the song, "You always hurt the one you love"? Well, with McCain, it was, "You always elect the one you hate."

We should all be so hated.

[WarriorDad]

Romney won the governor's race once in Massachusetts. He also ran for the US Senate from Massachusetts and lost = by more than 17 percentage points. And when he ran for president, he also lost Massachusetts.

McCain ran for the senate 6 times in Arizona - the closest any democrat came to him was 13 percentage points.

Nice try.

That doesn't change that conservative states or liberal states can vote people in that are seemingly don't fit the bill.  To tie in with what some of the articles have said, McCain often won by larger amounts in the general than in his own primaries.  In 2010, for example, he won his primary with 56% of the vote, but he won the general with 59%. In 2016 he got to 51% in his primary, but in the general improved to 53%. 

That seems consistent with the articles saying he wasn't well liked by some conservatives, but in the general who else are they going to vote for?  There are examples of the same situation with Democrat candidates where they are deemed not liberal enough.  Primaries tend to be voted in by the extremes and pull candidates further left or further right.  I don't find much to argue about with the articles linked that express the views he wasn't embraced by many in his party. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/feb/01/whyrepublicanshatemccain

https://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/why-conservatives-dont-like-mccain/?mtrref=duckduckgo.com&gwh=9B063F5813AE37A6E4DB5E20A9C89D5E&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

It reminds me of the same sentiment some Democrats had toward the Clintons, and probably cost her in 2016 with the Bernie faction so upset they stayed home, or voted 3rd party.  She didn't connect with liberals and was more centrist.  McCain the same with Conservatives.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So say McCain was too centrist for some conservatives.

Don't say Conservatives hated McCain.

[Golden Avalanche]

Romney won the governor's race once in Massachusetts. He also ran for the US Senate from Massachusetts and lost = by more than 17 percentage points. And when he ran for president, he also lost Massachusetts.

McCain ran for the senate 6 times in Arizona - the closest any democrat came to him was 13 percentage points.

Nice try.

Romney was the architect of the "socialist" state level health care law that eventually become the foundation of the federal Affordable Care Act passed under the Obama administration.

Romney may have an "R" next to his name but he played every fiddle his "liberal" Bay Stater constituency wanted. Just as he'll play every fiddle his "conservative" Utahn constituency will want after his election in November.

Politicians are just really tall wind chimes.

[Lennys Tap]

So say McCain was too centrist for some conservatives.

Don't say Conservatives hated McCain.

This

[MU82]

So say McCain was too centrist for some conservatives.

Don't say Conservatives hated McCain.

Stuff like this is why you're so hated here, TAMU!

[Herman Cain]

I have had dealings with McCain over the years. I would say this,McCain was the one of the few remaining Senators whose allegiance was to his own personal brand rather than his party. He derived a lot of power and influence because of this posture. I believe the Senate was more effective when there were more guys like him around.  It was a lot easier to get things done and make the back room trades that were necessary.

[GGGG]

I have had dealings with McCain over the years.

No you haven’t.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I have had dealings with McCain over the years. I would say this,McCain was the one of the few remaining Senators whose allegiance was to his own personal brand rather than his party. He derived a lot of power and influence because of this posture. I believe the Senate was more effective when there were more guys like him around.  It was a lot easier to get things done and make the back room trades that were necessary.

Performance Art.

I'm curious Gus, when do you do your big important job at your big important company?

[Mutaman]

Went back and watched the flick "Game Change". It portrays McCain, as acted by Ed Harris, as a halfway decent person. I had forgotten that in 2008 he refused to bring up the Rev Wright affair because he thought it was pandering to the bigots. He also foresaw in the right wing reaction to Palin, the future rise of a fellow like Trump. Also portrayed him as a world class potty mouth.

McCain described the movie as "inaccurate" but admitted he never saw it. Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace described it as "telling  the truth of the campaign".
Wiki

Harris, Woody, and Julianne Moore are all pretty incredible.

[MU82]

No you haven’t.

Hello, my name is Tommy Flanagan, and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact ... I'm the president of that organization. Yeah, that's who I am. I didn't always lie. No, I used to tell the truth. And then one day I told a lie and I got away with it. Yeah, I told my parents I had a brother that they never met. They got mad at me for not telling them sooner.

And they kicked me out of the house ... Yeah, that's what happened. So then I drifted for a while until I landed a job ... yeah ... as a stockbroker ... in India. And I was about to make an investment in a cow when all of a sudden a small, Chinese man came up to me and before I knew it he was clipping my nails ... yeah, that's what he was doin' ... and I was about to pay him for a job well done when out of the sky fell ... a ... a ... herd of albino chickens!

And they swooped down on us and gently sucked up all the air ... and I blacked out. And when I came to, I was in the middle of the ocean ... on a surf board ... surfin' ... good, too ... why, I was hangin' a minimum of 5 at all times!

And then if you can believe, a miniature tidal wave came along and I rode it all the way into shore, jumped off the board ... and who do you think was there to greet me? The Chinaman's wife. And she took my hand ... and together we joined Pathological Liars Anonymous.

So if you're out there listening and you wanna stop your habit of lying, just give us a call. Cuz we have meetings every week ... at my house ... in Jamaica!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4

Oh ... and I knew John McCain ... yeah ... that's the ticket!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Also portrayed him as a world class potty mouth.

Well, he did call his wife a c u next Tuesday.  In public.  In front of reporters.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html

[ZiggysFryBoy]

No you haven’t.

My dad was actually on the ballot in Illinois in 2000 as a McCain delegate.   

I had never met the Senator.

[barfolomew]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/29/us/mccain-memorial-arizona-state-capitol.html

John McCain is the first white male to lie in state at the Arizona state capitol building.
It's about time that demographic got some recognition.

[mu_hilltopper]

Fun fact, John McCain has an account on Scoop.

[Lennys Tap]

Well, he did call his wife a c u next Tuesday.  In public.  In front of reporters.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html

If he calls his wife anything next Tuesday it'll be the story of the year.

[Lennys Tap]

Hello, my name is Tommy Flanagan, and I'm a member of Pathological Liars Anonymous. In fact ... I'm the president of that organization. Yeah, that's who I am. I didn't always lie. No, I used to tell the truth. And then one day I told a lie and I got away with it. Yeah, I told my parents I had a brother that they never met. They got mad at me for not telling them sooner.

And they kicked me out of the house ... Yeah, that's what happened. So then I drifted for a while until I landed a job ... yeah ... as a stockbroker ... in India. And I was about to make an investment in a cow when all of a sudden a small, Chinese man came up to me and before I knew it he was clipping my nails ... yeah, that's what he was doin' ... and I was about to pay him for a job well done when out of the sky fell ... a ... a ... herd of albino chickens!

And they swooped down on us and gently sucked up all the air ... and I blacked out. And when I came to, I was in the middle of the ocean ... on a surf board ... surfin' ... good, too ... why, I was hangin' a minimum of 5 at all times!

And then if you can believe, a miniature tidal wave came along and I rode it all the way into shore, jumped off the board ... and who do you think was there to greet me? The Chinaman's wife. And she took my hand ... and together we joined Pathological Liars Anonymous.

So if you're out there listening and you wanna stop your habit of lying, just give us a call. Cuz we have meetings every week ... at my house ... in Jamaica!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYNBwCEeH4

Oh ... and I knew John McCain ... yeah ... that's the ticket!

Mike - I don't know HC and have no way of knowing whether he has had any dealings with John McCain but I'm curious how you and Sultan evidently know he's lying. What am I missing?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Fun fact, John McCain has an account on Scoop.

???  Source?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Mike - I don't know HC and have no way of knowing whether he has had any dealings with John McCain but I'm curious how you and Sultan evidently know he's lying. What am I missing?

His entire posting history?  The guy pretends he is the middle of more things than Forrest Gump.