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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2024, 01:02:27 PM
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Looks like Providence picking up a big.
https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/new-pc-friars-announce-72-transfer
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https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferportal/
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I wonder if former MU Target, Darlinstone Dubar, will put his name in the transfer portal this year or Go Straight to Pros.Still has one final year of elibigility
Having an Excellent Season with the Hofstra Pride. Averaging 18 PPG 6.8 Boards and shooting 39.7 from 3. Has played consistently well all year .
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/4598640/darlinstone-dubar
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Looks like Providence picking up a big.
https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/new-pc-friars-announce-72-transfer
Makes you wonder what would make a guy leave the Eastern Arizona program. ;D
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Transfer Portal opens March 18. Analysis of conference by conference needs
https://247sports.com/longformarticle/transfer-portal-primer-2024-the-needs-of-every-top-college-basketball-program-duke-unc-kansas-kentucky-indiana-virginia-texas-alabama-226754596/amp/
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Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens. 12 scholarships accounted for. Unless there are departures, I don't see arrivals.
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Transfer portal is open all year
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Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens. 12 scholarships accounted for. Unless there are departures, I don't see arrivals.
conjecture by me…I see Amadou going one of two ways…RS similar to Sacar Anim a few years back, or he’s assisted in finding a program more suitable to his talent level so Shaka can bargain in the portal.
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conjecture by me…I see Amadou going one of two ways…RS similar to Sacar Anim a few years back, or he’s assisted in finding a program more suitable to his talent level so Shaka can bargain in the portal.
I’ve suggested a RS in a post elsewhere as well. If he could not get minutes yesterday……
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If he could not get minutes yesterday……
Agreed. Though I assume he was also not feeling well. Then again, I also assume he's already filled out his portal paperwork.
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There’s a reason Al only plays in garbage time. No surprise to me that he didn’t play.
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There’s a reason Al only plays in garbage time. No surprise to me that he didn’t play.
Dont disagree at all. If the coaches feel he has upside, a RS ala Sacar or McCasskill back in the 90s, would seem appropriate. If not, well, he is taking up roster space. We shall see.
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Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens. 12 scholarships accounted for. Unless there are departures, I don't see arrivals.
If Sean is still out, I’d like to see us add an experienced PG from the portal.
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So, there was this player not too long ago who played only 38 minutes his freshmen year and didn't look the part at all.
Not saying Amadou is going to turn into this player whose progressed immensely over his time at MU, but you can't read too much into his limited minutes on a very veteran team competing at the highest levels.
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If Sean is still out, I’d like to see us add an experienced PG from the portal.
I’d like an aircraft carrier with a mid-range jumper
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If Sean is still out, I’d like to see us add an experienced PG from the portal.
Would have to be one willing to come off the bench.
Shaka has said time and time again that he isn't recruiting the portal over guys he already has and I imagine the lineup you saw starting last night is what they are starting next year.
Kam
Stevie
Chase
Jop
Ben
Bench:
Sean
Tre
Zaide
Owens
Parham
Amadou
Hamilton
1 Spot Open
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Our guys hung with a top team in the country on their home court for 36 minutes. I think MU will be fine in the future.
At least MU's future is here in the present. What's Creighton, Providence, Hall, Nova, Georgetown, DePaul Scoop saying where they need to completely portal next season?
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Dont disagree at all. If the coaches feel he has upside, a RS ala Sacar or McCasskill back in the 90s, would seem appropriate. If not, well, he is taking up roster space. We shall see.
A red shirt still uses roster space.
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So, there was this player not too long ago who played only 38 minutes his freshmen year and didn't look the part at all.
Not saying Amadou is going to turn into this player whose progressed immensely over his time at MU, but you can't read too much into his limited minutes on a very veteran team competing at the highest levels.
We’ve seen this movie before.
Shaka sees these kids every day and he knows exactly who he thinks will be able to contribute at this level and who he thinks won’t be able to.
Keeyan, who was one of his recruits to Texas and then followed him to Marquette, moved onto greener pastures. You could argue that maybe it was the players wish, possible, but if Coach saw more in practice he would have likely gotten a bit more run in the games and Shaka would have kept him at Marquette.
Not saying the Al situation is the same because I don’t see the practices.
From a time on the court standpoint it would seem very similar imo.
Same happened with Emarion and Wrightsil after their injuries.
Shaka supported them to the fullest and then helped them move on.
Let’s not forget that Ben is on the up and up and Royce, Caedin are also in the fold, so there’s traffic.
Shaka knows though and he and Al will do the right thing one way or the other
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Would have to be one willing to come off the bench.
Shaka has said time and time again that he isn't recruiting the portal over guys he already has and I imagine the lineup you saw starting last night is what they are starting next year.
Kam
Stevie
Chase
Jop
Ben
Bench:
Sean
Tre
Zaide
Owens
Parham
Amadou
Hamilton
1 Spot Open
That’s not quite what Shaka has said. But ultimately I don’t think he adds anyone through the portal.
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A red shirt still uses roster space.
Caveat here is that the coaches would have faith in him for a RS.
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For the past 8, maybe 9 years I believe at least one player has left the program and not a declaration for the NBA draft.
The odds are high that someone will leave, but who knows. If Kolek leaves, then your PG starter or backup is Norman, who has been to say the least underwhelming. Maybe another summer can help him out. If someone else should leave, I presume Shaka would look in the guard position and then hope to land Nigel James or Nyk Lewis for 2025. Maybe Burton from Notre Dame wants out of that crapshow in South Bend. There will be plenty of names in the portal, but will Shaka change his portal mindset.
I have no idea of what type of player Hamilton is, but he is 6ft9 and goes 250 and has probably been in the weight room everyday. I read an article somewhere in which he said he loves to play defense and rebound. Amadou is 6ft 9 and maybe 210 and can't see the floor. Does the staff sees something in Hamilton? Maybe he is a bruiser MU could use. Watching Gold play center yesterday, on offense he is on the three point line, waiting for the pass to shoot. But this leads him away from the basket for offense rebounds and must be way more consistent with his three pointers. He made a nice drive to the basket once though. Maybe it works out, maybe not.
Looking forward to 3/18/24 when the official portal opens and see which players across all programs enter. Last year was pretty crazy, this year will be nuts.
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Question for the gurus:
Can any player enter the portal starting on 3/18, even if his team is still active? Or are there restrictions on players whose teams are NCAAT bound?
Also, on what date does the portal close? It’s gotta be open well past the Final Four, right?
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Question for the gurus:
Can any player enter the portal starting on 3/18, even if his team is still active? Or are there restrictions on players whose teams are NCAAT bound?
Also, on what date does the portal close? It’s gotta be open well past the Final Four, right?
https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/basketball/ncaa-shortens-transfer-portal-for-college-basketball-to-45-days
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Thanks. Good info.
So theoretically a player on an NCAAT-bound team could enter the portal before the NCAAs - not that anyone would.
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https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/basketball/ncaa-shortens-transfer-portal-for-college-basketball-to-45-days
They should have made the rule start after the NCAAT. Not sure how many Players on E8 or FF teams transfer but they are at a disadvantage time wise and there is no way a rotation player would announce while their team is still playing without causing significant team moral problems.
Chones left early because the rules in place were followed. If big NIL money is being wagged at players today it could happen even while their team is playing.
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I can't wait to see if Indiana State's Robbie Avila (aka Cream Abdul Jabbar) transfers.
Also, I see he is listed at 6'10", 240 lbs. I am calling BS on that. That dude is chonky. Imagine if he had the benefit of a real strength and conditioning program.
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I can't wait to see if Indiana State's Robbie Avila (aka Cream Abdul Jabbar) transfers.
Also, I see he is listed at 6'10", 240 lbs. I am calling BS on that. That dude is chonky. Imagine if he had the benefit of a real strength and conditioning program.
Indiana State doesn’t have a real strength and conditioning program?
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Indiana State doesn’t have a real strength and conditioning program?
Probably not compared to what would be available to him at a Power 6 program.
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Al isn’t going anywhere. He’s just a freshman who needs time to fill out his body, similar to Oso.
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I can't wait to see if Indiana State's Robbie Avila (aka Cream Abdul Jabbar) transfers.
Also, I see he is listed at 6'10", 240 lbs. I am calling BS on that. That dude is chonky. Imagine if he had the benefit of a real strength and conditioning program.
Decent chance Schertz takes a better job, so Avila definitely could be in the portal.
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If Sean is still out, I’d like to see us add an experienced PG from the portal.
Wonder if the freshman PG at ND has had enough of that garbage program. He’s good.
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conjecture by me…I see Amadou going one of two ways…RS similar to Sacar Anim a few years back, or he’s assisted in finding a program more suitable to his talent level so Shaka can bargain in the portal.
I like Amadou. However, not seeing any time in a game where Oso did not play does not bold well.
I think we need a point guard from the portal. It would be different, if Sean Jones did not get hurt.
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Al's played 52 minutes so far this year, 14 more than the freshman season of the All-Big East forward starting for MU.
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Al's played 52 minutes so far this year, 14 more than the freshman season of the All-Big East forward starting for MU.
And?
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Al's played 52 minutes so far this year, 14 more than the freshman season of the All-Big East forward starting for MU.
The COVID year was very unique to say the least and not sure it can be compared to this year much. It’s disappointing Al saw zero minutes this year in a game that wasn’t already decided. I pegged him as a likely transfer candidate, although it’s good for a team to have a “program guy” or two since it’s usually unhealthy culture wise to have 13 players who all think they should starters so we’ll see what happens. He sounded like a good kid on the radio show with high expectations for himself (wants to be better than Oso), so I’m pulling for him to achieve that.
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My guess is that our starting PG forn next season is already on the roster
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And?
Fans should think twice before giving up on a player after his freshman season.
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Fans should think twice before giving up on a player after his freshman season.
So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
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So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
I would suggest not being disappointed by a freshman's productivity. It would save one from a lot of angst and arguing.
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So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
Well, every time Wojo disappointed during his first five years, Scoop pointed out the one Jay Wright instead of the dozens of coaches who…well, let’s face it, were still probably better than Wojo, but ultimately were failures. So I guess it’s par for the course.
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Keeyan found a nice place to land. I expected Amadou to play 5 a game this year. I was wrong. Just like I was wrong about Keeyan. I hope Amadou stays. I see potential.
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So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
Anyone that considers Al a disappointment this season didn’t have realistic expectations.
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So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
Keeyan is going to be a really nice player in a year or two. He would have started here eventually and if he sticks at NKU he’s going to be dominant. He just didn’t want to wait in line, which is fair.
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Keeyan found a nice place to land. I expected Amadou to play 5 a game this year. I was wrong. Just like I was wrong about Keeyan. I hope Amadou stays. I see potential.
I agree. I see potential as well (mostly length and athleticism and rumors he had a decent shooting stroke from three in highschool) albeit in an extremely small sample size. I was not able to even go to an open practice. I guess it will come down to roster construction and hard conversations if Shaka is not seeing it in practice. Worth keeping around another year IMO to see what develops over next summer.
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Al was always a project. Started playing organized basketball relatively late. Nothing wrong with having a couple development projects at the end of the bench, like Al and Caedin.
Give Al another year and see how he develops. A year from now we will have a better idea how he stacks up with Parham and Hamilton. Often, players either make the rotation by year 3 or transfer to find playing time. We'll see how things play out.
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I would suggest not being disappointed by a freshman's productivity.
I'm not disappointed in the least. But he didn't play at all in a game where we were shorthanded at the post, and anytime he has played has been in garbage time. I am just being realistic about where I think he projects to be.
Keeyan found a nice place to land. I expected Amadou to play 5 a game this year. I was wrong. Just like I was wrong about Keeyan. I hope Amadou stays. I see potential.
If Shaka wants him to stay, I hope he stays and proves me wrong.
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When Al was on the MU basketball hour he discussed how he knew the plan this year was development.
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So because he doesn’t a lot as a freshman he’s transferring?
1. Oso
2. Ben
3. Jop
That has been the order this year. Because Al didnt slide into the 3 spot when Oso was suck means very little. He wasn’t asked to do much this year.
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If Shaka wants him to stay, I hope he stays
This is where I'm at, too. Given the way players have developed so far during Shaka's time at Marquette, it's become easy for me to give our coach the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
If Amadou transfers, it will be because either Shaka suggested he do so, because he got impatient waiting, or both.
But as you said, if Shaka wants him to stay and he's willing to be patient, I want him to stay because that probably means there's something there.
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We’ve seen this movie before.
Same happened with Emarion and Wrightsil after their injuries.
Shaka supported them to the fullest and then helped them move on.
Let’s not forget that Ben is on the up and up and Royce, Caedin are also in the fold, so there’s traffic.
Shaka knows though and he and Al will do the right thing one way or the other
This is by far the best analysis of Al yet. He has the tools but, for one reason or another, he can't get playing time. None of us see what Shaka sees in practice so it's hard to say for sure what the situation is.
That said, I see Al Amadou as Emarion Ellis v2.0. He's talented but his talents probably are not suited for basketball at the Big East level. I hope I'm wrong but I'm betting not.
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This is by far the best analysis of Al yet. He has the tools but, for one reason or another, he can't get playing time. None of us see what Shaka sees in practice so it's hard to say for sure what the situation is.
That said, I see Al Amadou as Emarion Ellis v2.0. He's talented but his talents probably are not suited for basketball at the Big East level. I hope I'm wrong but I'm betting not.
And I don't know why its so controversial to say this. Taking flyers on prospects means you are going to miss a lot - and that's fine.
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Not controversial. Amadou is a project.
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This is by far the best analysis of Al yet. He has the tools but, for one reason or another, he can't get playing time. None of us see what Shaka sees in practice so it's hard to say for sure what the situation is.
That said, I see Al Amadou as Emarion Ellis v2.0. He's talented but his talents probably are not suited for basketball at the Big East level. I hope I'm wrong but I'm betting not.
Agree with you and Doc. Especially your comment that he simply may not be BE material.
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My guess is that our starting PG forn next season is already on the roster
I suspect you are probably correct. As much as I personally want Shaka to target a transfer PG, I see him rolling with the guys he's developed for 1, 2, or 3 years.
Stevie, Kam, and Chase are the likely starters. Roles will be adjusted in the offseason to make up for the loss of Kolek.
Tre, Zaide, and Damarius providing depth and Sean Jones could return at some point. Maybe Sean's even ready for the start of fall practices.
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I think Amadou is Big East material. Patience is a virtue.
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Agree with you and Doc. Especially your comment that he simply may not be BE material.
I’m not quite certain I’m there yet, but I would bet Shaka has a good idea.
The good news is that I don’t really see Al ever being a problem on the offensive end- he definitely fits the bill as BE material with regards to athleticism.
Marquette plays a free flowing offense and he’s shown a good knack for finishing around the rim, especially on alley-oops which is a good skill for a Marquette “big.” He’s got good hands.
The problem is that as free flowing as the offense is, the defense is extremely structured and you’ve gotta have your head on a swivel and be in the right position at all times or else it all falls apart.
He can block shots, I’m sure he can rebound, but I haven’t seen anything to tell me that he’s progressed with any of his defensive abilities, especially positioning and reads.
If he had, he woulda played some valuable minutes.
I’d be willing it bet it all comes down to if Shaka feels like he can teach him that, and if Al feels like he can pick it up enough to not fall to 4th on the depth chart sort of thing
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Is this Caedin Hamilton kid on a scholarship? If so, cya buddy.
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Is this Caedin Hamilton kid on a scholarship? If so, cya buddy.
Very stupid thing to say. He is redshirting.
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6'9, new to basketball, learning to guard on the perimeter. Buzz used to get blasted for saying that freshman playing time was dictated by how quickly they picked up defensive assignments.
I look at Ben and Oso's physical development over the last two years. I look at Ben's ever improving understanding on the defensive end. I then picture Amadou at 235 with a more thorough understanding on the defensive end. And I look at the young 6'9-6'10 guys in the conference and how much they are playing. And then I quit worrying about AA and remind myself to trust the process.
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Very stupid thing to say. He is redshirting.
So he does have one? Cya buddy. Bring in a transfer big who can play minutes at the BE level next year. Can't afford two project centers on the roster.
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So he does have one? Cya buddy. Bring in a transfer big who can play minutes at the BE level next year.
Very stupid thing to say. He will play next year.
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Conversation is so dumb. gonna send our 3rd straight frontcourt player to the draft.
Shaka has sent 8 in 8 years.
This staff is smarter than you all on frontcourt players.
If they add to this team. It will be in the backcourt, and it will be a long term plan.
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Very stupid thing to say. He will play next year.
"play"
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So he does have one? Cya buddy. Bring in a transfer big who can play minutes at the BE level next year. Can't afford two project centers on the roster.
IMO it will be Ben Gold backed up by Al or Caeden next year. And that's absolutely fine.
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So he does have one? Cya buddy. Bring in a transfer big who can play minutes at the BE level next year. Can't afford two project centers on the roster.
12 scholarships spoken for, assuming Oso and TKo leave. Unless there are departures, not much is coming in.
Gold, Joplin, Amadou, Hamilton, Parham, and Owens are the forwards. Green, but finally numbers.
Kam, Stevie, Chase, Tre, Zaide, and hopefully Sean. Kam is a wild card.
If that is indeed the roster, I see great potential.
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Conversation is so dumb. gonna send our 3rd straight frontcourt player to the draft.
Shaka has sent 8 in 8 years.
This staff is smarter than you all on frontcourt players.
If they add to this team. It will be in the backcourt, and it will be a long term plan.
And they have never seen Al as a 5. He'll play the OMax role more than the Oso role.
We'll see what happens, but no staff hits on every scholarship guy. I think there's enough there with Al to justify the wait if he's patient enough.
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12 scholarships spoken for, assuming Oso and TKo leave. Unless there are departures, not much is coming in.
Gold, Joplin, Amadou, Hamilton, Parham, and Owens are the forwards. Green, but finally numbers.
Kam, Stevie, Chase, Tre, Zaide, and hopefully Sean. Kam is a wild card.
If that is indeed the roster, I see great potential.
Don't disagree, I just am of the opinion we need a transfer big who can play. I also would've liked that player this year as well.
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So he does have one? Cya buddy. Bring in a transfer big who can play minutes at the BE level next year. Can't afford two project centers on the roster.
Always good to double-down on the initial dumb post.
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Always good to double-down on the initial dumb post.
Sorry I don't think the unranked center with other offers from Drexel, Northeastern and UC Irvine wont be a contributor in his second year (first with actual game minutes).
Don't think it's an outrageous opinion to have.
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Ben's 'other offers' were from? Hamilton was going to prep school for a year. The staff said we like you. Work with us instead. I think they swooped in early and beat the rush. Having said that, again, patience is a virtue.
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Sorry I don't think the unranked center with other offers from Drexel, Northeastern and UC Irvine wont be a contributor in his second year (first with actual game minutes).
Don't think it's an outrageous opinion to have.
Ignoring Colorado and Gonzaga nice, and he was going to prep school until august and optted to come to Marquette a year early.
But hey lets leave stuff out
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Every once and a while I get to remind myself how to ignore users.
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I believe that we are going to see more play ready freshmen starting with this class. Shaka has had a luxury on not needing the young guys to play a big role because of the experience of the players coming back. It allowed him to roll the dice a bit on development vs. playing from day one. I would be shocked if Parham was not a contributor from day one next year.
I think MU is 100% set on bigs for next year and PG is the big question mark. I know TAMU does not see a portal PG and I hope he is wrong. I think they need an experienced guy with a motor, but not sure what Shaka does in the portal this year.
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Conversation is so dumb. gonna send our 3rd straight frontcourt player to the draft.
Shaka has sent 8 in 8 years.
This staff is smarter than you all on frontcourt players.
If they add to this team. It will be in the backcourt, and it will be a long term plan.
I agree with this analysis. I also think Al Amadou has very good potential. Not to mention Shaka absolutely loves the kid's attitude.
Big men typically take longer to develop and Al was late to the game. Not sure why some Scoopers think he should automatically be at a point where he's a viable player during non-garbage time just because we were done Oso in Omaha.
I can absolutely see Al evolving like Oso, though he may be a 5 year guy, versus what Oso's become in 4.
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Ben's 'other offers' were from? Hamilton was going to prep school for a year. The staff said we like you. Work with us instead. I think they swooped in early and beat the rush. Having said that, again, patience is a virtue.
5/3 on 54% eFG and an average defender (at best). Now if you think he's going to take an Oso leap next year, god bless but I don't agree.
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I believe that we are going to see more play ready freshmen starting with this class. Shaka has had a luxury on not needing the young guys to play a big role because of the experience of the players coming back. It allowed him to roll the dice a bit on development vs. playing from day one. I would be shocked if Parham was not a contributor from day one next year.
I think MU is 100% set on bigs for next year and PG is the big question mark. I know TAMU does not see a portal PG and I hope he is wrong. I think they need an experienced guy with a motor, but not sure what Shaka does in the portal this year.
I don't know if we "NEED" a point guard. Assist rates don't matter. Look at the NBA. Heliocentric offenses work. Plus transfers always take 1/2 of a season to get adjusted to their knew team.
Having said that, if there is a "transfer" addition, it would be at that spot for me.
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I have no idea how Ben will measure up to Oso, but I 100% know that he has shown far more tools than Oso did in his second year and it is not even close. He is starting at a much higher level going into next year than Oso was last year. The vast majority of scoopers, myself included, were scratching their heads when Shaka was talking about Oso handling the ball going into last year.
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I have no idea how Ben will measure up to Oso, but I 100% know that he has shown far more tools than Oso did in his second year and it is not even close. He is starting at a much higher level going into next year than Oso was last year. The vast majority of scoopers, myself included, were scratching their heads when Shaka was talking about Oso handling the ball going into last year.
Because BG shoots a below average jumper? BGs a fun guy to root for, but this board thinks he's a lot better than he is currently. Oso did everything better his sophomore year besides shooting 3s. Soph year Oso played with a much lesser TK as well.
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I have no idea how Ben will measure up to Oso, but I 100% know that he has shown far more tools than Oso did in his second year and it is not even close. He is starting at a much higher level going into next year than Oso was last year. The vast majority of scoopers, myself included, were scratching their heads when Shaka was talking about Oso handling the ball going into last year.
Yeah, Ben may never become Oso, but I think he's going to be solid in other ways.
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I agree with this analysis. I also think Al Amadou has very good potential. Not to mention Shaka absolutely loves the kid's attitude.
Big men typically take longer to develop and Al was late to the game. Not sure why some Scoopers think he should automatically be at a point where he's a viable player during non-garbage time just because we were done Oso in Omaha.
I can absolutely see Al evolving like Oso, though he may be a 5 year guy, versus what Oso's become in 4.
I don't know what AA develops into. I can see him in a Barro role, sliding baseline and scoring off dump offs and putbacks. An 8/5 guy in the Big East, possibly off the bench. No crime in that. For whatever reason, when I watch Seton Hall, I think of AA. Basically interchangeable bigs using their length to fly around. It isn't fair to compare him to Oso. But there are other styles for athletic 6'9 guys to play.
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Anyone that simply judges Gold simply off of shooting % is not a serious basketball fan.
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Oso did everything better his sophomore year besides shooting 3s.
I don't disagree. But the strides Ben has made this year defensively are huge. He went from a guy that was hard to keep on the floor due to his defense to being able to execute a lot of the stuff Oso does now.
I want to see him more as a rim runner. I want to see him get some air under the ball from deep. But he's got ability and lost out on much of the summer this year. Excited to see if he can build on this next season.
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Because BG shoots a below average jumper? BGs a fun guy to root for, but this board thinks he's a lot better than he is currently. Oso did everything better his sophomore year besides shooting 3s. Soph year Oso played with a much lesser TK as well.
I don’t see anyway Ben is better next year and doubt Al or Caedin are any good. Shaka and his staff have done a terrible job identifying talent and worst yet, developing it.
I’d throw the bag at Steve Crowl and get a big aircraft carrier like him to man the middle.
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I have no idea how Ben will measure up to Oso, but I 100% know that he has shown far more tools than Oso did in his second year and it is not even close. He is starting at a much higher level going into next year than Oso was last year. The vast majority of scoopers, myself included, were scratching their heads when Shaka was talking about Oso handling the ball going into last year.
Like some other scoopers, I find myself underestimating Shaka's ability to develop players even after he repeatedly has demonstrated his savvy at player development. Is it possible that Shaka knows more than scoopers? ;D
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Like some other scoopers, I find myself underestimating Shaka's ability to develop players even after he repeatedly has demonstrated his savvy at player development. Is it possible that Shaka knows more than scoopers? ;D
Absolutely not. I saw Earl Tatum play so I definitely know more
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Anyone that simply judges Gold simply off of shooting % is not a serious basketball fan.
Amen!
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I don't disagree. But the strides Ben has made this year defensively are huge. He went from a guy that was hard to keep on the floor due to his defense to being able to execute a lot of the stuff Oso does now.
I want to see him more as a rim runner. I want to see him get some air under the ball from deep. But he's got ability and lost out on much of the summer this year. Excited to see if he can build on this next season.
Agreed! Just think we need to keep our expectation in check in regards to him. Bring in a transfer big who can play 20+ min at the BE level and let the rest sort itself out.
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Amen!
Good thing no one here is doing that.
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Agreed! Just think we need to keep our expectation in check in regards to him. Bring in a transfer big who can play 20+ min at the BE level and let the rest sort itself out.
It's just not happening.
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It's just not happening.
I also don't disagree. I just think it's a bad move. Just like not doing it this year was also a bad move.
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Ben Gold, assuming he returns to MU after going home to New Zealnd for a few weeks, is the starting center next year. Finding a big willing to transfer in to play 12 minutes a game is difficult. As MU has seen the last two seasons.
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5/3 on 54% eFG and an average defender (at best). Now if you think he's going to take an Oso leap next year, god bless but I don't agree.
Ben's production per 30 minutes:
8.7 PPG and 5.9 RPG. Those would be ok numbers for a starting C that's the 4th or 5th option on offense.
With even modest improvement in the offseason, Ben can be a 10-12 ppg, 6-7 rpg player. That's just fine by me, since Kam and Jop will be the top two scores, with Stevie, Chase, and Ben as the 3rd, 4th, and 5th options.
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Ben Gold, assuming he returns to MU after going home to New Zealnd for a few weeks, is the starting center next year. Finding a big willing to transfer in to play 12 minutes a game is difficult. As MU has seen the last two seasons.
But if he's good enough to play you find a way to give him more than 12mpg. You can play both.
The portal is a good thing. How many teams in the top 15 have a transfer in their starting 5, let alone a top 3 player on the team?
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https://www.foxsports.com/watch/fmc-c2058qjyixsr60lr
Al says hi.
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I also don't disagree. I just think it's a bad move. Just like not doing it this year was also a bad move.
If Shaka knew then what he knows now...what do scoopers think he would have done?
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If Shaka knew then what he knows now...what do scoopers think he would have done?
It's okay to disagree with a coach on one aspect and still overall think they're doing a good/great job.
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Because BG shoots a below average jumper? BGs a fun guy to root for, but this board thinks he's a lot better than he is currently. Oso did everything better his sophomore year besides shooting 3s. Soph year Oso played with a much lesser TK as well.
GooolllldBrick.
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If Shaka knew then what he knows now...what do scoopers think he would have done?
He would do exactly what he did. Absolutely no doubt about that.
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I think Amadou is Big East material. Patience is a virtue.
I agree.
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It's okay to disagree with a coach on one aspect and still overall think they're doing a good/great job.
yes, but actually, no…or risk a shot across your starboard side from the church of Shaka.
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yes, but actually, no…or risk a shot across your starboard side from the church of Shaka.
I just think not using the portal is a dumb decision in the current state of college sports. But hey, myself and most other college basketball coaches may be wrong.
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Agreed! Just think we need to keep our expectation in check in regards to him. Bring in a transfer big who can play 20+ min at the BE level and let the rest sort itself out.
What? You think Shaka has s going yo ho out and get a transfer big this offseason?
The chances of that are slim to none.
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Viper
I like Shaka a lot, but I wish he did use the portal. My hope was/is that he would attract guys with 2-3 years left to play, not the one year rental. I am not 100% convinced that he won't use the portal more and hope he does. I can say that while I am big of fan of Shaka, I will not hesitate one second to criticize him. To date, several times he has not managed last 10 seconds in games well, I think he missed out not getting an Omax replacement and I hope he uses the portal if/when needed.
I have zero problems with anyone getting on Shaka, provided it is well thought out. If TK is healthy in the tournament, this team needs to win some games or Shaka will take some heat. I do think if Shaka is here another ten years that MU will have plenty of chances in March, but this year is important for him and the program.
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They didn't take one this year because there wasn't a ton of minutes available. Wrightsil was going to play, but the injury was a killer. Still dealing with the knee after another surgery this year.
Given the relative inexperience coming back/in, they'll go after a transfer. But I still think a guard is a more pressing need at this point than the frontcourt.
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This team was head for 2nd in the BE and a 2 seed before Kolek's injury. I'd say Shaka managed the roster just fine.
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Shaka will use the portal if he has to and won’t be afraid to replace players that aren’t Big East players.
Shaka and his staff have earned the benefit of the doubt with regards to player talent identification and development.
It’s no more complicated than that. If Al hasn’t shown the staff enough this year, he will be transferring to an appropriate place. If he’s back in ‘24, I trust the staff.
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This team was head for 2nd in the BE and a 2 seed before Kolek's injury. I'd say Shaka managed the roster just fine.
our goal before this year was Phoenix. Nothing else.
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Viper
I like Shaka a lot, but I wish he did use the portal. My hope was/is that he would attract guys with 2-3 years left to play, not the one year rental. I am not 100% convinced that he won't use the portal more and hope he does. I can say that while I am big of fan of Shaka, I will not hesitate one second to criticize him. To date, several times he has not managed last 10 seconds in games well, I think he missed out not getting an Omax replacement and I hope he uses the portal if/when needed.
I have zero problems with anyone getting on Shaka, provided it is well thought out. If TK is healthy in the tournament, this team needs to win some games or Shaka will take some heat. I do think if Shaka is here another ten years that MU will have plenty of chances in March, but this year is important for him and the program.
This is key.
Calling for a player to transfer when they're a true Freshman that is red-shirting to work with on their game with the team/Universities facilities when they were originally going to be in prep school during the 23-24 season is stupid.
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This team was head for 2nd in the BE and a 2 seed before Kolek's injury. I'd say Shaka managed the roster just fine.
No kidding. This team left the top 15 for all of what, a week or two this season? Sure, they didn't hit the heights of last season but still, a fantastic season. With plenty to play for still.
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The goal still is Phoenix. Am I missing something?
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This team was head for 2nd in the BE and a 2 seed before Kolek's injury. I'd say Shaka managed the roster just fine.
Isn't that still what they're headed for?
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The goal still is Phoenix. Am I missing something?
Apparently we missed the memo.
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I just think not using the portal is a dumb decision in the current state of college sports. But hey, myself and most other college basketball coaches may be wrong.
I agree with you…I’m all for the portal…portal ‘finds’ helped MU to the tournament in ‘22.
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Viper
I like Shaka a lot, but I wish he did use the portal. My hope was/is that he would attract guys with 2-3 years left to play, not the one year rental. I am not 100% convinced that he won't use the portal more and hope he does. I can say that while I am big of fan of Shaka, I will not hesitate one second to criticize him. To date, several times he has not managed last 10 seconds in games well, I think he missed out not getting an Omax replacement and I hope he uses the portal if/when needed.
I have zero problems with anyone getting on Shaka, provided it is well thought out. If TK is healthy in the tournament, this team needs to win some games or Shaka will take some heat. I do think if Shaka is here another ten years that MU will have plenty of chances in March, but this year is important for him and the program.
we are aligned. But for some on Scoop, criticism of the HC is worthy of walking the plank.
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I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize any head coach.
But roster construction, given Shaka's thoughts on the matter, IMO is a pretty difficult thing to criticize him for. He knows way more about how to develop and motivate a team. This isn't fantasy college basketball.
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The goal still is Phoenix. Am I missing something?
No. Viper and Wolfghang are seeing something that isn’t there
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No. Viper and Wolfghang are seeing something that isn’t there
people are pointing out our regular season finish this year as a reason we didn’t need any transfers. We are saying that doesn’t matter. That’s all
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we are aligned. But for some on Scoop, criticism of the HC is worthy of walking the plank.
Are you kidding? Criticism of head coaches is so encouraged that it's still done decades after they've left.
Criticism for other posters occurs when people say things like "I disagree with Shaka when he says that he won't take transfers". That criticism comes from Shaka never saying that. Despite not taking a transfer last summer, Shaka pursued some. Even if he doesn't take a transfer this summer, I'm sure he'll be looking. Just because a transfer doesn't happen does not mean that the coach didn't attempt to get one.
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people are pointing out our regular season finish this year as a reason we didn’t need any transfers. We are saying that doesn’t matter. That’s all
If Shaka doesn’t take transfers this year, we don’t need transfers then
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I think there are plenty of reasons to criticize any head coach.
But roster construction, given Shaka's thoughts on the matter, IMO is a pretty difficult thing to criticize him for. He knows way more about how to develop and motivate a team. This isn't fantasy college basketball.
we’re criticizing him for not using the portal. Every other top program does. People criticize Dabo for it in football and he’s accomplished a lot more than Shaka can dream of.
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If Shaka doesn’t take transfers this year, we don’t need transfers then
LMAO
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we’re criticizing him for not using the portal. Every other top program does. People criticize Dabo for it in football and he’s accomplished a lot more than Shaka can dream of.
I don't care what other coaches do. Our successful coach has shown that he knows what he's doing.
And of course you CAN criticize him for that. Knock yourself out.
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But for some on Scoop, criticism of the HC is worthy of walking the plank.
That's the case for few, if any, on Scoop.
To quote Goose: I have zero problems with anyone getting on Shaka, provided it is well thought out.
For example ...
Those who said Shaka waited too long to call a timeout Saturday during that 5-minute stretch with no play stoppages because the guys were obviously tired ... well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should take playing time from Gold and give it to Amadou because "what the heck do we have to lose" ... not well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should use the portal to add a little size or get a replacement for OMax because such a targeted signing could help areas of need ... well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should abandon the offense because we were in a shooting slump for a handful of games ... not well thought out.
No person, and certainly no coach, is beyond being criticized.
Also this:
Despite not taking a transfer last summer, Shaka pursued some. Even if he doesn't take a transfer this summer, I'm sure he'll be looking. Just because a transfer doesn't happen does not mean that the coach didn't attempt to get one.
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That's the case for few, if any, on Scoop.
To quote Goose: I have zero problems with anyone getting on Shaka, provided it is well thought out.
For example ...
Those who said Shaka waited too long to call a timeout Saturday during that 5-minute stretch with no play stoppages because the guys were obviously tired ... well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should take playing time from Gold and give it to Amadou because "what the heck do we have to lose" ... not well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should use the portal to add a little size or get a replacement for OMax because such a targeted signing could help areas of need ... well thought out.
Those who said Shaka should abandon the offense because we were in a shooting slump for a handful of games ... not well thought out.
No person, and certainly no coach, is beyond being criticized.
Also this:
Apparently this one is frowned upon.
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Apparently this one is frowned upon.
By some, sure. We all think differently.
Goose and I are as big optimists about this season's team and about the job Shaka is doing as anyone on this board, and yet we both wish he had added a little help through the portal.
It's a reasonable argument. But so is, "Shaka is doing a damn good job, and until that changes, I trust his judgment."
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You can say it. I can disagree with it. That is how it works. Who is going to get Shaka-canned to create space? And if no one, would you rather use the 13th scholarship on a transfer big or a point guard?
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The group that started againist Creighton was
Stevie Mitchell
Kam Jones
David Joplin
Chase Ross
Ben Gold.
Find me the player that will transfer and be better than one of these 5 and who won't seek out 250k in NIL from a SEC School like Bama or Kentucky.
(This player doesn't exist/ won't be easily identifiable.) We ain't going into the portal guys
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The group that started againist Creighton was
Stevie Mitchell
Kam Jones
David Joplin
Chase Ross
Ben Gold.
Find me the player that will transfer and be better than one of these 5 and who won't seek out 250k in NIL from a SEC School like Bama or Kentucky.
250 on the low end for an impact guy
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would you rather use the 13th scholarship on a transfer big or a point guard?
That's easy - PG, especially if the prognosis for SJones is as bad as most think it is.
Tyrese Haliburton has some eligibility left. Can we get him?
The group that started againist Creighton was
Stevie Mitchell
Kam Jones
David Joplin
Chase Ross
Ben Gold.
Find me the player that will transfer and be better than one of these 5 and who won't seek out 250k in NIL from a SEC School like Bama or Kentucky.
(This player doesn't exist/ won't be easily identifiable.) We ain't going into the portal guys
OK, let's say I agree that it would be impossible to find a transfer better than those 5 who won't seek big money. How about a nice depth piece? This season has shown that could come in valuable, no?
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The group that started againist Creighton was
Stevie Mitchell
Kam Jones
David Joplin
Chase Ross
Ben Gold.
Find me the player that will transfer and be better than one of these 5 and who won't seek out 250k in NIL from a SEC School like Bama or Kentucky.
(This player doesn't exist/ won't be easily identifiable.) We ain't going into the portal guys
This will be a good time to assess if Tre Norman can play some point, Mitchell and Kam can play some point, but are not point guards. See what happens.
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The group that started againist Creighton was
Stevie Mitchell
Kam Jones
David Joplin
Chase Ross
Ben Gold.
Find me the player that will transfer and be better than one of these 5 and who won't seek out 250k in NIL from a SEC School like Bama or Kentucky.
(This player doesn't exist/ won't be easily identifiable.) We ain't going into the portal guys
Not every impact player is automatically chasing the heaviest bag possible. There may be some impact lead or combo guards that already had a relationship with Shaka and staff that hit the portal.
Nobody can identify those players right now because nobody is in the portal right now. Maybe in a month we'll have a better idea.
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Retention. Development. Culture. Count how many times Shaka says those words when asked about transfers.
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This will be a good time to assess if Tre Norman can play some point, Mitchell and Kam can play some point, but are not point guards. See what happens.
That would be the one spot i would look. But it would be for a long term guy. Not a quick fix guy.
Next years offense will have to be more Heliocentric and iso ball. But it can still work really well. Every NBA team proves this.
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Apparently this one is frowned upon.
Well, the prerequisite is that it is "well thought out."
"Is this Caedin Hamilton kid on a scholarship? If so, cya buddy," is an example of not being well thought out.
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250 on the low end for an impact guy
Source?
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Not every impact player is automatically chasing the heaviest bag possible. There may be some impact lead or combo guards that already had a relationship with Shaka and staff that hit the portal.
Nobody can identify those players right now because nobody is in the portal right now. Maybe in a month we'll have a better idea.
True. But every Impact player that can break into that starting five is 100% getting a bag.
That starting five is really high level. Every single player is in the top 350ish players this year, and likely top 250ish next year.
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Well, the prerequisite is that it is "well thought out."
"Is this Caedin Hamilton kid on a scholarship? If so, cya buddy," is an example of not being well thought out.
Espcially when he came to school 1 year early, virtually knowing he wasn't playing this year.
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That's the case for few, if any, on Scoop.
Those who said Shaka should use the portal to add a little size or get a replacement for OMax because such a targeted signing could help areas of need ... well thought out.
Those who said Shaka needs to get a replacement for OMax cuz without him we won’t be a top team and this is our year……not well thought out.
Those who said Shaka needs to get a replacement for OMax because if he does and our 6th man of the year, who was expecting an opportunity to start doesn’t…then gets frustrated and transfers the following season……and that one year replacement is gone? …..not well thought out.
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Source?
It’s cute you think players aren’t getting paid to transfer
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Those who said Shaka needs to get a replacement for OMax cuz without him we won’t be a top team and this is our year……not well thought out.
Those who said Shaka needs to get a replacement for OMax because if he does and our 6th man of the year, who was expecting an opportunity to start doesn’t…then gets frustrated and transfers the following season……and that one year replacement is gone? …..not well thought out.
How about ...
Those who felt it would help the team if Shaka brought in a transfer who could replace some of what OMax did well, and to give the roster more versatility and depth.
I think that's pretty well thought out, but you're allowed to disagree.
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Isn't that still what they're headed for?
Possibly. Could fall to tie for 3rd if we lose out. Might fall to a 3 seed.
My main point, was that as a projected 2 seed, Marquette was well positioned to make a run at Phoenix.
Kolek's injury brings a lot of uncertainty. But the roster was good enough to make a deep March run. Still might be.
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How about ...
Those who felt it would help the team if Shaka brought in a transfer who could replace some of what OMax did well, and to give the roster more versatility and depth.
I think that's pretty well thought out, but you're allowed to disagree.
It is well thought out. Imagining the roster with a transfer guard or big next year is as well. However, what isn’t well thought out is saying Shaka should pull a scholarship to bring in a transfer. Simply won’t happen, nor should it given what HE SAYS REPEADETLY
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Are you kidding? Criticism of head coaches is so encouraged that it's still done decades after they've left.
Criticism for other posters occurs when people say things like "I disagree with Shaka when he says that he won't take transfers". That criticism comes from Shaka never saying that. Despite not taking a transfer last summer, Shaka pursued some. Even if he doesn't take a transfer this summer, I'm sure he'll be looking. Just because a transfer doesn't happen does not mean that the coach didn't attempt to get one.
state an opinion on Scoop…maybe something ‘controversial’ or against the grain and the usual suspects will flame your arse. It’s good fun actually, but don’t tell me Scoop is anything more than followers and reactionaries.
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Well thought out: If Wojo was still here, Tyler wouldn't have suffered an oblique injury as hot yoga would have been part of the training regimen.
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state an opinion on Scoop…maybe something ‘controversial’ or against the grain and the usual suspects will flame your arse. It’s good fun actually, but don’t tell me Scoop is anything more than followers and reactionaries.
If you state an opinion designed to troll, like suggesting of pulling a scholarship from a current player to go after a transfer, you will get criticized.
If you state a well thought out opinion that adds to the conversation, people may disagree with you, but no one if going to "flame your arse".
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So every time a freshman disappoints, we are going to point out the one Oso instead of the dozens of Keeyans?
No, every time a freshman disappoints “we’re” not going to assume he’s a division II-caliber player.
This is a very silly stance you’ve taken. When it comes to Al specifically, I think the odds he’s a legitimate contributor at Marquette far outweigh the likelihood of him transferring after this season. A lot in this thread seem to disagree with that. Let me know if you’d like to put some cash on it.
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You make a good point. Sultan loves to be contrary and can handle the disagreements. He thrives on pouncing on weak arguments, not just that they disagree with him, call him names, and doxx him.
I doubt any poster on this board as been more personally attacked more often than Sultan.
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If you state an opinion designed to troll, like suggesting of pulling a scholarship from a current player to go after a transfer, you will get criticized.
If you state a well thought out opinion that adds to the conversation, people may disagree with you, but no one if going to "flame your arse".
that’s not my experience 😂. I’m thinking of amending my moniker to Dork Moron Snowflake Idiot Lost Viper 😂😂😂
btw, coaches over recruit. If it’s determined a player on scholarship might be a miss…for whatever reason…talent, culture fit, whatever it might be…coaches will look at options. Solid character coaches will help find a new home/better fit for that player, but it does happen. On the down side/unethical, didn’t Buzz kick a signed recruit to the curb at the last minute?
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that’s not my experience 😂. I’m thinking of amending my moniker to Dork Moron Snowflake Idiot Lost Viper 😂😂😂
btw, coaches over recruit. If it’s determined a player on scholarship might be a miss…for whatever reason…talent, culture fit, whatever it might be…coaches will look at options. Solid character coaches will help find a new home/better fit for that player, but it does happen. On the down side/unethical, didn’t Buzz kick a signed recruit to the curb at the last minute?
Making yourself the victim, very much on point for you.
Sure coaches over recruit. Ben was recruited over Keeyan. Chase was recruited over Ellis. The difference with both of those situations is that they were both in the program for two+ years. Shaka was watching them practice for 2+ years, Shaka had seen that they couldn't contribute in games for 1 year. The players saw that there was somebody younger than them that was ahead of them on the depth chart. None of those currently apply to Hamilton. He's been on campus for less than a year (a year when he was supposed to be at prep school btw), and hasn't had the chance to prove that he can (or can't) contribute, due to his sitting out the year. If he can't get any game time next year at this time, the suggestion may have some merit, but at this point, it laughably stupid to suggest pulling his scholarship to go get a transfer.
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I don't think Shaka is against the portal. I think he was against it for this year's team. Shaka seems to be a guy who does what it takes to win.
Year 1: Kur + Darryl Morsell
Year 2: Bring back 7 of yuour top 8
Year 3: TBD
The portal will not be the solution to all our problems, nor with it be some villian. It's a tool, we'll see how much we utilize it next season. But to think it's banned from #mubb is foolish.
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Didn't Shaka at least reach out to some transfers last offseason? IIRC, players like Tyrese Samuel (starting at Florida), Jahmyl Telfort (starting at Butler), and Aly Khalifa (starting at BYU) were all contacted.
Notice how all of those players chose places where they could start, rather than have to compete with the BE 6th Man of the Year for said starting spot.
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I don't think Shaka is against the portal. I think he was against it for this year's team. Shaka seems to be a guy who does what it takes to win.
Year 1: Kur + Darryl Morsell
Year 2: Bring back 7 of yuour top 8
Year 3: TBD
The portal will not be the solution to all our problems, nor with it be some villian. It's a tool, we'll see how much we utilize it next season. But to think it's banned from #mubb is foolish.
This is completely fair. I also think any expectation that Shaka will drop a sizable NIL bag to someone in the portal is also foolish based on what he has stated multiple times.
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So, will Shaka be able to find a player that makes the team better but does not require a large bag drop?
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How about ...
Those who felt it would help the team if Shaka brought in a transfer who could replace some of what OMax did well, and to give the roster more versatility and depth.
I think that's pretty well thought out, but you're allowed to disagree.
Or How about….Jop we are so thankful for believing in our staff to make you such a huge asset off the bench. We have even bigger plans for you this year. As you know, you are a rising junior and it is your time. We are going to work day and night to get you stronger, make you a better defender, make you a better rebounder, make you a better offensive rebounder, we think you have advantage with your strength to get to the middle of the lane. We already know you are a great shooter from deep. These are all things our staff will work on. These are the relationships I can been preaching. This is the growth that we foresee from you…..you good?
Oh yeah…..and dont read scoop, some there want to risk the chemistry that this team shares………that I value more than anyone…..and pay the going price to transfer A.
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Making yourself the victim, very much on point for you.
Sure coaches over recruit. Ben was recruited over Keeyan. Chase was recruited over Ellis. The difference with both of those situations is that they were both in the program for two+ years. Shaka was watching them practice for 2+ years, Shaka had seen that they couldn't contribute in games for 1 year. The players saw that there was somebody younger than them that was ahead of them on the depth chart. None of those currently apply to Hamilton. He's been on campus for less than a year (a year when he was supposed to be at prep school btw), and hasn't had the chance to prove that he can (or can't) contribute, due to his sitting out the year. If he can't get any game time next year at this time, the suggestion may have some merit, but at this point, it laughably stupid to suggest pulling his scholarship to go get a transfer.
Well, his brother-in-law is mean
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I don't think Shaka is against the portal. I think he was against it for this year's team. Shaka seems to be a guy who does what it takes to win.
Year 1: Kur + Darryl Morsell
Year 2: Bring back 7 of yuour top 8
Year 3: TBD
The portal will not be the solution to all our problems, nor with it be some villian. It's a tool, we'll see how much we utilize it next season. But to think it's banned from #mubb is foolish.
Forgot Kolek and OMax. But that was also go jumpstart a program in Year 1. He hasn't shown that he will recruit the portal over his guys already here, and has even said the same.
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No, every time a freshman disappoints “we’re” not going to assume he’s a division II-caliber player.
This is a very silly stance you’ve taken. When it comes to Al specifically, I think the odds he’s a legitimate contributor at Marquette far outweigh the likelihood of him transferring after this season. A lot in this thread seem to disagree with that. Let me know if you’d like to put some cash on it.
What stance have I taken?
I never said he was going to transfer after this year. I most certainly never said anything about him being a "division ii quality player," so you can put that strawman away.
The only thing I said was that responding to "that guy's not what I thought he was going to be," by bringing up Oso, ignores the fact that Oso was a complete unicorn. His path is not common and actually downplays how much work he has put in to get where he is now. It is way more common for freshmen who plays nothing but garbage time, to never actually be that good.
And I don't gamble.
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Making yourself the victim, very much on point for you.
Sure coaches over recruit. Ben was recruited over Keeyan. Chase was recruited over Ellis. The difference with both of those situations is that they were both in the program for two+ years. Shaka was watching them practice for 2+ years, Shaka had seen that they couldn't contribute in games for 1 year. The players saw that there was somebody younger than them that was ahead of them on the depth chart. None of those currently apply to Hamilton. He's been on campus for less than a year (a year when he was supposed to be at prep school btw), and hasn't had the chance to prove that he can (or can't) contribute, due to his sitting out the year. If he can't get any game time next year at this time, the suggestion may have some merit, but at this point, it laughably stupid to suggest pulling his scholarship to go get a transfer.
its all in good fun. Really. Note the laugh emojis. No victim. Wow folks are wound tight. It’s Monday, but come on!
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Or How about….Jop we are so thankful for believing in our staff to make you such a huge asset off the bench. We have even bigger plans for you this year. As you know, you are a rising junior and it is your time. We are going to work day and night to get you stronger, make you a better defender, make you a better rebounder, make you a better offensive rebounder, we think you have advantage with your strength to get to the middle of the lane. We already know you are a great shooter from deep. These are all things our staff will work on. These are the relationships I can been preaching. This is the growth that we foresee from you…..you good?
Very good. I wouldn't have said or expected otherwise.
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It is well thought out. Imagining the roster with a transfer guard or big next year is as well. However, what isn’t well thought out is saying Shaka should pull a scholarship to bring in a transfer. Simply won’t happen, nor should it given what HE SAYS REPEADETLY
Good points, Unk.
Something I definitely could see: Shaka bringing in a player who was in the past Shakasphere in some way (past recruit, former player, someone Nevada or another assistant knows, etc) who wanted to come to Marquette and wasn't asking to break the bank. And if that resulted in a player leaving who might be better off a level down, I could see Shaka helping that decision get made (as it did with Ellis and Ikejere).
I certainly don't expect that to happen, but it's the kind of thing I could see happening ... and if it did, I don't think Shaka would have to fend off claims that he is a hypocrite.
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I have said for two years that I believe that any portal transfer will likely be past recruits that he knows the player and family well, and it will be guys that will be here 2-3 years. IMO, that is not far different than re-recruiting kids to stay at MU every year. I do not believe it is possible to field a top 20 team every year with never hitting the portal.
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You really have an experienced team coming back next year, so getting a solid point with experience would help
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What stance have I taken?
I never said he was going to transfer after this year. I most certainly never said anything about him being a "division ii quality player," so you can put that strawman away.
The only thing I said was that responding to "that guy's not what I thought he was going to be," by bringing up Oso, ignores the fact that Oso was a complete unicorn. His path is not common and actually downplays how much work he has put in to get where he is now. It is way more common for freshmen who plays nothing but garbage time, to never actually be that good.
And I don't gamble.
I'll make my position crystal clear for you: scoopers in this thread suggested Al's future at Marquette is dim. I do not agree with that assessment. My position is based both on my own subjective impression of his limited playing time and the collegiate experience of 90% of freshmen D1 basketball players. I used Oso to make a point about the extreme variance in outcomes for those minimally utilized freshmen. Your forced suggestion that I was arguing Al = Oso was the "strawman" here.
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I'll make my position crystal clear for you: scoopers in this thread suggested Al's future at Marquette is dim. I do not agree with that assessment. My position is based both on my own subjective impression of his limited playing time and the collegiate experience of 90% of freshmen D1 basketball players. I used Oso to make a point about the extreme variance in outcomes for those minimally utilized freshmen. Your forced suggestion that I was arguing Al = Oso was the "strawman" here.
Forced? You literally brought up Oso when talking about Al.
Al's played 52 minutes so far this year, 14 more than the freshman season of the All-Big East forward starting for MU.
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I don’t see anyway Ben is better next year and doubt Al or Caedin are any good. Shaka and his staff have done a terrible job identifying talent and worst yet, developing it.
I’d throw the bag at Steve Crowl and get a big aircraft carrier like him to man the middle.
Preferably big aircraft carrier that shoots the midrange
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that’s not my experience 😂. I’m thinking of amending my moniker to Dork Moron Snowflake Idiot Lost Viper 😂😂😂
btw, coaches over recruit. If it’s determined a player on scholarship might be a miss…for whatever reason…talent, culture fit, whatever it might be…coaches will look at options. Solid character coaches will help find a new home/better fit for that player, but it does happen. On the down side/unethical, didn’t Buzz kick a signed recruit to the curb at the last minute?
I like lost Viper
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This thread sux, I feel responsible.
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This thread sux, I feel responsible.
Own it
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Emarion Ellis name hasn't showed up yet in the transfer portal. I guess he would have to sit out a year before he became eligible to play.
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Emarion Ellis name hasn't showed up yet in the transfer portal. I guess he would have to sit out a year before he became eligible to play.
Herman, why would you Keeyan him? A possible return?
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Emarion Ellis name hasn't showed up yet in the transfer portal. I guess he would have to sit out a year before he became eligible to play.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1759418526127858154
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https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1759418526127858154
Thanks for the update. Nichols State is a good level for EE. Hopefully he can enjoy a couple good seasons once he is eligible.
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wow...couldnt get minutes at Bradley even and is down to nicholls level..i really thought he might be one of the better kids out of that recruiting class with the size he had..obviously he was an over ranked prospect coming out
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wow...couldnt get minutes at Bradley even and is down to nicholls level..i really thought he might be one of the better kids out of that recruiting class with the size he had..obviously he was an over ranked prospect coming out
He also had a stress fracture knee injury at Marquette. Hard to judge a kid once that happens.
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wow...couldnt get minutes at Bradley even and is down to nicholls level..i really thought he might be one of the better kids out of that recruiting class with the size he had..obviously he was an over ranked prospect coming out
I don’t think his issue at Bradley was ability. I think it was fit. He went to the D1 school just down the road from home, and was getting minutes, but my understanding is that he didn’t click with Wardle. I think there is a connection between Shaka and the Nichols State coach.
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Dayshawn Wells who was a video guy for Shaka is an assistant there.
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Solid article on Transfer Portal this Cycle
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portal-what-to-expect-from-the-2024-cycle-228461240/
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Solid article on Transfer Portal this Cycle
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portal-what-to-expect-from-the-2024-cycle-228461240/
Only solid, not worth reading
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Only solid, not worth reading
Don’t give Dodds the page views. Save them for Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle & Paint Touches
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Don’t give Dodds the page views. Save them for Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle & Paint Touches
Didn't even see it was Dodds, no way it is even solid!
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Was the article about how Wojo would have been the greatest coach in MU history if he had had the transfer portal?
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Was the article about how Wojo would have been the greatest coach in MU history if he had had the transfer portal?
Bet it is about different arena's shooting backgrounds
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Bet it is about different arena's shooting backgrounds
On Senior Night?
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On Senior Night?
Then it won't matta Senior night rules!
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Likely multi-transfers will have immediate eligibility next year. Hoping we don’t need to go that route, but the pool for #muMbb next year may be large. The timing isn’t awful for us, tbh
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Likely multi-transfers will have immediate eligibility next year. Hoping we don’t need to go that route, but the pool for #muMbb next year may be large. The timing isn’t awful for us, tbh
Dixon
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Likely multi-transfers will have immediate eligibility next year. Hoping we don’t need to go that route, but the pool for #muMbb next year may be large. The timing isn’t awful for us, tbh
In case anyone was wondering why Cooley was praising Devin Carter, this is why. Will be fun to see those Providence/Georgetown games next year with Carter & Hopkins in Hoyas uniforms.
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In case anyone was wondering why Cooley was praising Devin Carter, this is why. Will be fun to see those Providence/Georgetown games next year with Carter & Hopkins in Hoyas uniforms.
I could see it. Except for the fact that Carter is a borderline lottery pick and won't be back next year.
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I could see it. Except for the fact that Carter is a borderline lottery pick and won't be back next year.
Yeah Devin Carter is going in the first round for sure. Staying friendly with former players isn't exactly a new thing either.
Cooley just being himself.
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In case anyone was wondering why Cooley was praising Devin Carter, this is why. Will be fun to see those Providence/Georgetown games next year with Carter & Hopkins in Hoyas uniforms.
Would be awesome if this happens. PC fans on X would be a spectacle.
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Would be awesome if this happens. PC fans on X would be a spectacle.
I didn't realize PC fans were into X. I thought meth was more their thing.
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When Cooley went back to the AMP/Dunk the avg fan was hostile. The number of people sitting in the first/low rows that looked genuinely happy to see him was surprising. He must be a good dude and into cultivating relationships if those folks were shaking his hand and slapping him on the back.
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6-11 Jevon Porter from Pepperdine from the Porter Family of NBA talent is in transfer portal
He averaged 16.2 points, 5.9 rebounds, and 1.7 assists per game on 42.5 percent shooting from the field in his sophomore season.
https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferportal/
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Don’t give Dodds the page views. Save them for Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle & Paint Touches
What is the issue with Dodds again?
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What is the issue with Dodds again?
too many blenders
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What is the issue with Dodds again?
He’s an idiot.
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6-11 Jevon Porter from Pepperdine from the Porter Family of NBA talent is in transfer portal
He averaged 16.2 points, 5.9 rebounds, and 1.7 assists per game on 42.5 percent shooting from the field in his sophomore season.
https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferportal/
And he had no MU interest and MU had no interest. Portal opens Monday and hundreds will enter, more after NCAAT. As opposed to posting every player that enters, there should be an official site where anyone interested should be able to follow. I'll let you enter/list if you want.
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And he had no MU interest and MU had no interest. Portal opens Monday and hundreds will enter, more after NCAAT. As opposed to posting every player that enters, there should be an official site where anyone interested should be able to follow. I'll let you enter/list if you want.
But why?
Count me as one that appreciates the updates in the “2024 Transfer Portal” thread.
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But why?
Count me as one that appreciates the updates in the “2024 Transfer Portal” thread.
Ditto.
Love to hear about who the big fish are and where they are heading.
It’s a nice change not having to worry about a bunch of guys leaving or having to get guy XYZ to make next season relevant, but it’s still cool to see all these other coaches have to hustle real hard.
It’s nice to be the place where kids come to stay, and don’t want to leave unless it’s to the pros.
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With there no longer being a waiting period for multi-school transferees, I wonder how many of those guys leave school with a degree.
And how does that affect the schools graduation rate targets?
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I could see it. Except for the fact that Carter is a borderline lottery pick and won't be back next year.
I really like the way Carter plays, but the only reason he will probably go in the 1st round is because this is a super weak draft.
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But why?
Count me as one that appreciates the updates in the “2024 Transfer Portal” thread.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2024/
Here you go. I found this one has been great over the years. You can save it and check everyday or whenever you want. Lists when players enter and if they committed to another program. If a player enters who had at one time had an interest in MU or MU had an interest in the player, Hermie can go at it. Enjoy....
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And he had no MU interest and MU had no interest. Portal opens Monday and hundreds will enter, more after NCAAT. As opposed to posting every player that enters, there should be an official site where anyone interested should be able to follow. I'll let you enter/list if you want.
This is the running list that updates daily
https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferportal/
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https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/2024/
Here you go. I found this one has been great over the years. You can save it and check everyday or whenever you want. Lists when players enter and if they committed to another program. If a player enters who had at one time had an interest in MU or MU had an interest in the player, Hermie can go at it. Enjoy....
Ok. It doesn’t list any stats and I’m probably not going to toggle through the portal on a daily basis. Just struggle to understand why posting about a player of note entering the portal on a college basketball message board in a thread about the transfer portal would be discouraged. Just don’t read it if you don’t find the information relevant to you.
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If TKO goes?
https://247sports.com/Player/Carter-Whitt-46049256/
Don't see any previous MU connection but TK didn't either right?
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If TKO goes?
https://247sports.com/Player/Carter-Whitt-46049256/
Don't see any previous MU connection but TK didn't either right?
Look beyond recruiting rankings. Underwhelming stats at Furman. Wouldn't help.
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Look beyond recruiting rankings. Underwhelming stats at Furman. Wouldn't help.
Agreed. Pass. He also only has one year of eligibility left and is an underwhelming 3pt shooter. Not going to have enough time to grow under the staff.
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This is the running list that updates daily
https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/transferportal/
I wouldn't use that one, it's incomplete and often inaccurate.
This is the best one I've found:
https://verbalcommits.com/transfers
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brandon garrison-freshman-oklahoma state transfer
6'11" big body avg 7.5 ppg 5.3 reb 1.5 blks
had big games against baylor and BYU
was #5 center 2022 class
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brandon garrison-freshman-oklahoma state transfer
6'11" big body avg 7.5 ppg 5.3 reb 1.5 blks
had big games against baylor and BYU
was #5 center 2022 class
Due diligence says to kick the tires here, but I don't think we were anywhere near him.
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Dug McDaniel from Michigan just announced he is leaving. One of the better Big10 point guards…
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Dug McDaniel from Michigan just announced he is leaving. One of the better Big10 point guards…
Everyone says we like pg who can't read. This seems like a fit
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Everyone says we like pg who can't read. This seems like a fit
Yeah, he's the guy who couldn't play away games as part of his academic improvement plan
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https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1769866254716657871?t=65683TWx3TWpEhsSJLPjmQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1769866254716657871?t=65683TWx3TWpEhsSJLPjmQ&s=19
No way Marquette gets him over Bradley. Kids at Bradley play injured
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No way Marquette gets him over Bradley. Kids at Bradley play injured
Usually due to the coach.
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https://twitter.com/tobias_bass/status/1769866254716657871?t=65683TWx3TWpEhsSJLPjmQ&s=19
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not the same…
Side note, who is this poster in that all of the replies “may contain offensive content”?
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Chicago native. Freshman. Played the most minutes for Cal Poly.
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This is an old video, and obviously not well done, but it showed up on my youtube list during a sleepless night so I gave it a watch. Nothing shocking, but some interesting insight from Oso on how he views the portal, why he chose MU in the first place, why he stayed at MU, etc...
https://youtu.be/Ph3AvGeKHko?si=78YqdKbTyI3FO-Zq
Shaka seems to have an interest in guys that haven't played basketball all their lives...seems like we sign and recruit a lot of guys that fit that mold compared to other programs.
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This is an old video, and obviously not well done, but it showed up on my youtube list during a sleepless night so I gave it a watch. Nothing shocking, but some interesting insight from Oso on how he views the portal, why he chose MU in the first place, why he stayed at MU, etc...
https://youtu.be/Ph3AvGeKHko?si=78YqdKbTyI3FO-Zq
Shaka seems to have an interest in guys that haven't played basketball all their lives...seems like we sign and recruit a lot of guys that fit that mold compared to other programs.
Fantastic. Thanks for posting. He came back to make a big run. And I wouldn’t bet against that young man or his teammates.
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Would be a nice replacement for Oso.
7'1", averaged 15.5 ppg, 9.6 rpg and shot 36% beyond the arc.
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/basketball/stanfords-leading-scorer-maxime-raynaud-enters-name-into-the-transfer-portal
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Would be a nice replacement for Oso.
7'1", averaged 15.5 ppg, 9.6 rpg and shot 36% beyond the arc.
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/basketball/stanfords-leading-scorer-maxime-raynaud-enters-name-into-the-transfer-portal
We already have Ben Gold at home!
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I wouldn't say no to another big on next year's roster. But I don't think thats our most pressing need, and I highly doubt Shaka would bring in two, let alone one big portal addition. If anything, we need another 1/2.
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We already have Ben Gold at home!
Hoping for Ben's continued development, but I don't love the idea of heading into the season with one known quality in the post, who doesn't really play in the post.
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I'm comfortable with Ben as the starting five, Jop as the starting four, and one of Al, Parham, and Hamilton being good enough to give us 15 minutes backing up Ben at the 5. I think we'll see some 5 guard lineups with Zaide, Chase, and Owens playing some "4."
Kam has shown me much more ability to play the lead guard than I thought he was capable of, but I think his scoring off the ball will be to needed for next year's team to have him on the ball as much as he has been in Kolek's absence. A full year of that, plus shouldering the scoring load, will be a lot to ask of him. If Sean isn't going to be ready, I continue to think we need to add a point guard ready to play from day 1.
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Maxime Reynaud has made a nice progression during his career. Would be a great pick up.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4898371/maxime-raynaud
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Maxime Reynaud has made a nice progression during his career. Would be a great pick up.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4898371/maxime-raynaud
Sure! But what about our/Shaka's current guys? How would this all work?
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Sure! But what about our/Shaka's current guys? How would this all work?
Don't you know that Herm just spams the board with links? He doesn't apply any commentary to go with those links. And when he does, it's usually misguided anyway.
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Don't you know that Herm just spams the board with links? He doesn't apply any commentary to go with those links. And when he does, it's usually misguided anyway.
I know that. But I wanted to stir the pot about this transfer to hear how scoopers who believe we have room for this guy (if he is interested of course). There are always plenty of theories.
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I'm comfortable with Ben as the starting five, Jop as the starting four, and one of Al, Parham, and Hamilton being good enough to give us 15 minutes backing up Ben at the 5. I think we'll see some 5 guard lineups with Zaide, Chase, and Owens playing some "4."
Kam has shown me much more ability to play the lead guard than I thought he was capable of, but I think his scoring off the ball will be to needed for next year's team to have him on the ball as much as he has been in Kolek's absence. A full year of that, plus shouldering the scoring load, will be a lot to ask of him. If Sean isn't going to be ready, I continue to think we need to add a point guard ready to play from day 1.
I feel it’s highly likely Kam will test the waters, if he continues on n the heater he’s been on and we make a deep run with him playing a pivotal role.
And if that happens I suspect he can play his way into the first round. What he showed running PG with Kolek out only enhanced his draft ability.
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Don't you know that Herm just spams the board with links? He doesn't apply any commentary to go with those links. And when he does, it's usually misguided anyway.
Yeah, but Sam made a 3. Somebody has to report it.
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Sure! But what about our/Shaka's current guys? How would this all work?
7-1 250
Coordinated
All Pac 12
15.5 /9.6/2.0 shot 36 percent from 3 and 78 percent from line
Our Center is graduating and we need one to replace him
What more do you need to know?
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7-1 250
Coordinated
All Pac 12
15.5 /9.6/2.0 shot 36 percent from 3 and 78 percent from line
Our Center is graduating and we need one to replace him
What more do you need to know?
Can he read?
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Can he read?
He is a math major so we know he can count.
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7-1 250
Coordinated
All Pac 12
15.5 /9.6/2.0 shot 36 percent from 3 and 78 percent from line
Our Center is graduating and we need one to replace him
What more do you need to know?
I know this guy at the 5 would be gold…and Ben Gold stays a 4. Jop a 3. Hamilton off the bench (my assumption he can/will contribute), with Kam, Stevie, Chase, Tre, Zaide and Sean (when ready) creating havoc? Yes please. I tend to think Al is a RS candidate.
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7-1 250
Coordinated
All Pac 12
15.5 /9.6/2.0 shot 36 percent from 3 and 78 percent from line
Our Center is graduating and we need one to replace him
What more do you need to know?
Is Shaka is going to transfers or staying with guys he already has? You don't know the answer to that question. None of us do. That's my only point. If he does and wants a 5, this guy looks great. If Shaka does not go after a transfer, 5 the guy still looks great and another team will be lucky to get him. What more do you need to know?
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Is Shaka is going to transfers or staying with guys he already has? You don't know the answer to that question. None of us do. That's my only point. If he does and wants a 5, this guy looks great. If Shaka does not go after a transfer, 5 the guy still looks great and another team will be lucky to get him. What more do you need to know?
I’m having dinner with Shaka tonight. I’ll let Herm know about roster plans after that. Heck, Herm might be at dinner with us
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Duz da Indy Mickey D's take reservations, hey?
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Duz da Indy Mickey D's take reservations, hey?
Not sure about Mickey D's. But I'm getting dinner with Shaka at Qdoba tonight. We plan on scouting out other teams to see if anyone has players in a boot.
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Duz da Indy Mickey D's take reservations, hey?
As an evangelical Christian, I will never eat at McDonald’s and be around poor people. Gross
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I’m having dinner with Shaka tonight. I’ll let Herm know about roster plans after that. Heck, Herm might be at dinner with us
I knew I could count on you.
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I knew I could count on you.
No sweat. Being connected with this many high rollers has its benefits, mostly sharing insider info on Scoop
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Is Shaka is going to transfers or staying with guys he already has? You don't know the answer to that question. None of us do. That's my only point. If he does and wants a 5, this guy looks great. If Shaka does not go after a transfer, 5 the guy still looks great and another team will be lucky to get him. What more do you need to know?
You're right, no one knows. But we have some pretty good indications of Shaka's philosophy. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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What I'll add: I would not expect Shaka to bring in any upperclassmen/grad transfers. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 2/3 year eligible player join the program.
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Mubb's Kryptonite this year is anyone over 7-1. They need a Bill Cartwright type who can go up with those guys for at least 15 mins a game
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Mubb's Kryptonite this year is anyone over 7-1. They need a Bill Cartwright type who can go up with those guys for at least 15 mins a game
All of those 7'2" Clingan and Edey, first round pick types of players that every team has.
Build a team around planning to stop those guys. Especially when neither of them are in college basketball next year.
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Maxime Reynaud has made a nice progression during his career. Would be a great pick up.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4898371/maxime-raynaud
Hear he only has a 3.8 GPA at Stanford. Don’t think Shaka can get him past Admissions.
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Watched Hamilton hit a 3 during the second half lay up line. MU is fine.
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if we could find a guy like GCU's Gabe mcglothin, a 6'7" beast! runs the floor, scores, blocks shots and rebounds like he's possessed avg 14 ppg 7 reb
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if we could find a guy like GCU's Gabe mcglothin, a 6'7" beast! runs the floor, scores, blocks shots and rebounds like he's possessed avg 14 ppg 7 reb
I thought the same. GCU will be a tough out.
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Kadary Richmond to the portal according to nova board. Can’t find anything definitive though.
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Kadary Richmond to the portal according to nova board. Can’t find anything definitive though.
Whoa.
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Kadary Richmond to the portal according to nova board. Can’t find anything definitive though.
Should go to Seton Hall board, not Nova. SH won today and is still in NIT. Can't see him declaring until they lose and are out.
Since portal opened here are the BE players so far:
Rowan Brumbaugh. Georgetown
DJ Davis. Butler
Kachi Nzeh. Xavier
Garway Dual Providence. (probably going to Georgetown with Cooley)
Dissa Traore St. Johns
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Mark Armstrong and Des Claude also rumored to be portaling.
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Kadary Richmond isn’t surprising. Didn’t he hold out mid-season because his NIL money wasn’t as “promised”? Kid is going to be looking for a big bag of cash on the portal - old school, Eddie Sutton-style.
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CBS Sports Portal Ranking. Former MU Target Darlinstone Dubar is ranked 3rd
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfers-2024-ranking-top-25-players-in-portal-as-coaches-critique-recruiting-calendar/
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Mark Armstrong and Des Claude also rumored to be portaling.
I know Shaka’s not fond of the portal but Armstrong would be a nice get.
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I know Shaka’s not fond of the portal but Armstrong would be a nice get.
He'd be really really good in MU's offense. His ability to get to the tin and hit those short shots against the drop would be tough.
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He is the one guard that I have watched that would fit perfectly in MU’s system, much better then what he have for next year so far
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It's a complete disgrace on the part of the ncaa that we are talking about the portal during the ncaa tournament.
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I would at least kick the tires on Dug McDaniel from Michigan. We very likely will be thin at PG, he could contribute right away.
With Sean Jones out for awhile, and possibly both Kolek and Kam going pro, adding some depth at the 1/2 positions might be needed this year, and the portal is the only option.
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I would at least kick the tires on Dug McDaniel from Michigan. We very likely will be thin at PG, he could contribute right away.
With Sean Jones out for awhile, and possibly both Kolek and Kam going pro, adding some depth at the 1/2 positions might be needed this year, and the portal is the only option.
If Kam goes pro, we’re in a tough spot next season. Don’t see how you can’t go to the portal if you want to field a team that has a prayer of being a tourney team.
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If Kam goes pro, we’re in a tough spot next season. Don’t see how you can’t go to the portal if you want to field a team that has a prayer of being a tourney team.
If we lose the entire Big Three we need to embrace Portal like Shaka Year One
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https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/1771985707604627522
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https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/1771985707604627522
Most teams going into the finals recruited at least one player to add to there roster, sometimes freshman are not the answer. Yes, MU can play with what they have next year, but it might not be pretty.
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Or they'll develop and be better than expectations just like in Shaka's first three years.
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Most teams going into the finals recruited at least one player to add to there roster, sometimes freshman are not the answer. Yes, MU can play with what they have next year, but it might not be pretty.
Two P6 teams did not bring in a portal player this season. One of them is going to the sweet 16. Trust.
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Two P6 teams did not bring in a portal player this season. One of them is going to the sweet 16. Trust.
Why enjoy this team when you can kvetch about next year’s team?
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I need to do better at accepting MU fans mourning MU victories any way way see fit. Mea culpa.
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Why enjoy this team when you can kvetch about next year’s team?
That's Bill Self's M.O.
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savoring the moment I see
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I need to do better at accepting MU fans mourning MU victories any way way see fit. Mea culpa.
Cam Spencer, Brandon Ingram, Steve Ashworth, did they help there team?
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Cam Spencer, Brandon Ingram, Steve Ashworth, did they help there team?
Chase Ross, David Joplin, did they help their team?
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Cam Spencer, Brandon Ingram, Steve Ashworth, did they help there team?
Their team, or that-there team?
Did Kolek, Kam, Oso, Stevie, Joplin, Chase, and Gold help MU?
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Ok, your points are well taken, but if all three leave and play with what they have coming back, I sure do not see them as very good for a few years.
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A few years?
LOL.
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Ok, your points are well taken, but if all three leave and play with what they have coming back, I sure do not see them as very good for a few years.
So you haven’t learned from your past cynicism.
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Ok, your points are well taken, but if all three leave and play with what they have coming back, I sure do not see them as very good for a few years.
I think MU will be fine. However, at worst it will be a rebuilding year. They happen sometimes. Meh. A lot of other old players will be leaving the Big East and college basketball. MU is well positioned, barring a lot of unxpected departures.
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A few years?
LOL.
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Not sold they have a point guard for the future!
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I think everyone should focus on Friday night and not next year at the moment. That said, this program will not be taking major steps backwards after this season. Any discussion of not being very good is misguided, imo.
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Yes! Friday night should be all the focus!
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A few years?
LOL.
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Not sold they have a point guard for the future!
They won’t look like they do with Kolek. Guys like that don’t come around often. The coaches will adjust. But who knew Kolek would develop to be as good as he is…or Oso, OMax, Kam, Stevie.
I’m still hoping Kam will be back, but we’ll see.
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I think everyone should focus on Friday night and not next year at the moment. That said, this program will not be taking major steps backwards after this season. Any discussion of not being very good is misguided, imo.
No kidding
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Two P6 teams did not bring in a portal player this season. One of them is going to the sweet 16. Trust.
Shaka brought in wholesale Transfers year 1 , in year 2 he brought in one transfer , nothing in year 3 . However interest was expressed in a handful of kids year 2 and 3. See this article feom a reputable source :
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2022/4/1/23006075/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-recruiting-transfer-portal-cartier-bates-washington-wrightsil-ali
My guess is a seasoned 5 and a back up point guard may receive some inquiries . Neither one of those will upset the apple cart .
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I think everyone should focus on Friday night and not next year at the moment. That said, this program will not be taking major steps backwards after this season. Any discussion of not being very good is misguided, imo.
Yeah, let’s not pull a Bill Self.
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Connor Essegian in the portal.
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Kobe Johnson in portal
https://247sports.com/Player/Kobe-Johnson-46058937/P
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Why enjoy this team when you can kvetch about next year’s team?
Why are you using Yiddish words on a Catholic University's blog?
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DJ Davis leaving Butler. A lot of talent leaving the league right now, which isn’t great.
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Our Center is graduating and we need one to replace him
What more do you need to know?
Does he fit our culture? Would he come in to compete for minutes with Ben Gold & our incumbent bigs? Is that more important than adding a guard as our PG is likely departing as well? Do they already know what (if anything) is being done with the open scholarship? Has he reviewed and agreed to the Culture Document? Is anyone else leaving? Is his primary motivation NIL?
In short, a ton.
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Why are you using Yiddish words on a Catholic University's blog?
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There are many Jews that go to Marquette, that was uncalled for! Think Jesus was Jewish first!
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Why are you using Yiddish words on a Catholic University's blog?
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There are many Jews that go to Marquette, that was uncalled for! Think Jesus was Jewish first!
teal
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DJ Davis leaving Butler. A lot of talent leaving the league right now, which isn’t great.
A lot of talent will be coming in. It’s the way of the world - get used to it.
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Does he fit our culture?
Would he come in to compete for minutes with Ben Gold & our incumbent bigs? Is that more important than adding a guard as our PG is likely departing as well? Do they already know what (if anything) is being done with the open scholarship? Has he reviewed and agreed to the Culture Document? Is anyone else leaving? Is his primary motivation NIL?
In short, a ton.
Here is an interview with Maxime. Seems like a pretty level headed guy with international team oriented experience
https://youtu.be/CyZWAc05UQY?si=unrrK9drw8CPF8uq
Coach can figure out the rest
Cant teach 7-1 250 , Coordinated and All Pac-12 ability .
I was under impression Foreign Students not eligible for NIL.
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I think everyone should focus on Friday night and not next year at the moment. That said, this program will not be taking major steps backwards after this season. Any discussion of not being very good is misguided, imo.
The opponent pants pissers also like to point to future Marq teams not being very good (how would this team ever replace OMax was a common refrain).
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If we lose the entire Big Three we need to embrace Portal like Shaka Year One
I think we would. It’d be best for the team and Shaka wouldn’t really be burying his guys. Just getting a PG because we don’t have one until Sean is healthy.
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Does he fit our culture? Would he come in to compete for minutes with Ben Gold & our incumbent bigs? Is that more important than adding a guard as our PG is likely departing as well? Do they already know what (if anything) is being done with the open scholarship? Has he reviewed and agreed to the Culture Document? Is anyone else leaving? Is his primary motivation NIL?
In short, a ton.
How's his FT percentage?
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Here is an interview with Maxime. Seems like a pretty level headed guy with international team oriented experience
https://youtu.be/CyZWAc05UQY?si=unrrK9drw8CPF8uq
Coach can figure out the rest
Cant teach 7-1 250 , Coordinated and All Pac-12 ability .
I was under impression Foreign Students not eligible for NIL.
So the answers are "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, Unlikely, I don't know, and Can they do that?"
The answer to the foreign player question is yes, but it requires a bit more creativity. Players like Zach Edey and Oscar Tshiebwe have certainly made NIL money and we have Ben Gold shirts for sale in the NIL store, so clearly there are workarounds.
Personally, I don't think it's worth expending much effort into the idea of Marquette pursuing transfers until we hear Marquette has reciprocated interest in a transfer. So when our name is attached to a player, and the player says they are interested in us, that's worth considering. But given our recent transfer history, I expect that will be few and far between. We are not a program like St. John's or Xavier that is going to be in the restocking mode every spring. I'm sure we'll use it when necessary, but I don't expect it will be a staple of the program the way it is for others.
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I, for one, am glad Shaka used the transfer portal to add our All American point guard. Might be just me.
Having said that, I expect a step back next year, but not a major one. Boarder line top 25 next year, if Kam is back. I still think we need to add a point guard, assuming Sean will not be healthy starting the year. But, if there is one thing I have learned, it is not to doubt Shaka. Year 1 I thought we'd be bubbly, relying on our defense with Kur and Morsell. We were solidly in the NCAA Tournament. Year two I thought we'd be one of the worst BE teams and didn't see the talent. Welp, BE regular season and Tourney titles and a 2 seed later... Year 3 we were expected to be a top 10 team and have been all year. The idea that a Shaka team won't be competitive just doesn't register to me anymore. There might be a year here or there where things don't go right. But I expect that we'll be competing well as long as Shaka is here.
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Connor Essegian in the portal.
my guess would be connor's going back to Indiana somewhere
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Mashburn Jr. has entered the portal.
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I, for one, am glad Shaka used the transfer portal to add our All American point guard. Might be just me.
Having said that, I expect a step back next year, but not a major one. Boarder line top 25 next year, if Kam is back. I still think we need to add a point guard, assuming Sean will not be healthy starting the year. But, if there is one thing I have learned, it is not to doubt Shaka. Year 1 I thought we'd be bubbly, relying on our defense with Kur and Morsell. We were solidly in the NCAA Tournament. Year two I thought we'd be one of the worst BE teams and didn't see the talent. Welp, BE regular season and Tourney titles and a 2 seed later... Year 3 we were expected to be a top 10 team and have been all year. The idea that a Shaka team won't be competitive just doesn't register to me anymore. There might be a year here or there where things don't go right. But I expect that we'll be competing well as long as Shaka is here.
Well said. I expect shaka is on top of things I'm just going to savor this year for now
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1772626943155884063
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Obviously wouldn’t have academic qualifications to get into our esteemed alma mater.
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Should go to Seton Hall board, not Nova. SH won today and is still in NIT. Can't see him declaring until they lose and are out.
Since portal opened here are the BE players so far:
Rowan Brumbaugh. Georgetown
DJ Davis. Butler
Kachi Nzeh. Xavier
Garway Dual Providence. (probably going to Georgetown with Cooley)
Dissa Traore St. Johns
One week in and here are some more BE players:
Sasa Ciani Xavier
Abou Ousmane Xavier ( that's their three big men). Freemantle next year? Hunter next year?
Rafael Castro. Providence
Donovan Santoro. Providence (That's three Providence guys so far)
Elijah Fisher Depaul. 4 star, #34 recruit in 2023. Big loss for them
Side note: Louisville had 7 players enter in one week, including top point guard Skyy Clark.
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Obviously wouldn’t have academic qualifications to get into our esteemed alma mater.
Can he read? We like PGs that can't read. Could be disqualifying.
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Obviously wouldn’t have academic qualifications to get into our esteemed alma mater.
Haha! But seriously, he has no chance of getting into UW-Madison.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1772626943155884063
My opinion on MU and the Portal is basically "expect to be mentioned in tweets 'showing interest' in dozens of people, end up signing probably nobody. If someone comes, it's because he fits the culture we've built."
Mack is going to get a lot of attention from a lot of people. I can't say he wouldn't fit on paper on the team next year. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Armstrong or bust in the portal if we do use it.
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Armstrong or bust in the portal if we do use it.
Can we get him by Friday?
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Armstrong or bust in the portal if we do use it.
Love this.
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Obviously wouldn’t have academic qualifications to get into our esteemed alma mater.
A gree. Thoze Eye Vs our sew stoopid.
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Armstrong or bust in the portal if we do use it.
What position does bust play?
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Armstrong or bust in the portal if we do use it.
Thinking Armstrong his coming here is a stretch
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Bravo
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Thinking Armstrong his coming here is a stretch
I Neil before you.
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Tony Perkins is a 1 year rental I'd take with no Sean
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Tony Perkins is a 1 year rental I'd take with no Sean
Surprised the Portal opens so early as it is not fair for the 16 teams still in the tourney.
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Tony Perkins is a 1 year rental I'd take with no Sean
He acts a little too psycho for Shaka's culture.
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David Skogman in the portal. Waukesha West grad. Played at Buffalo and Davidson. Grad transfer.
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Surprised the Portal opens so early as it is not fair for the 16 teams still in the tourney.
Field of 68 talked about it yesterday with McDermott how insanely unfair it is. Hes preparing for a game while other teams hit the portal
Bluebloods can make up the lost time
But programs like Creighton(and MU should we choose to use the portal) are on a more even level with a lot of teams that are done playing, but cant focus on the reload they can.
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Field of 68 talked about it yesterday with McDermott how insanely unfair it is. Hes preparing for a game while other teams hit the portal
Bluebloods can make up the lost time
But programs like Creighton(and MU should we choose to use the portal) are on a more even level with a lot of teams that are done playing, but cant focus on the reload they can.
If a player can't wait 2 more weeks to talk to MU and their staff, they probably don't fit the culture.
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If a player can't wait 2 more weeks to talk to MU and their staff, they probably don't fit the culture.
Agree on your basic point, but I also think this is just another example of the mind-boggling incompetence of the NCAA.
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If a player can't wait 2 more weeks to talk to MU and their staff, they probably don't fit the culture.
Not sure that finding a good fit two weeks early signifies a bad culture fit
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Field of 68 talked about it yesterday with McDermott how insanely unfair it is. Hes preparing for a game while other teams hit the portal
Bluebloods can make up the lost time
But programs like Creighton(and MU should we choose to use the portal) are on a more even level with a lot of teams that are done playing, but cant focus on the reload they can.
Is there a reason why assistant coaches can't handle the portal? Especially when you see teams with like 10 of them on their bench?
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Is there a reason why assistant coaches can't handle the portal? Especially when you see teams with like 10 of them on their bench?
They shouldn't have to. Their team is still playing.
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Opening the portal the day after championship game is such an easy solution but I suppose that's too obvious and logical.
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The theory is that players who want to transfer, not to mention coaches, aren’t going to wait three weeks to talk to one another. May as well open it up.
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The theory is that players who want to transfer, not to mention coaches, aren’t going to wait three weeks to talk to one another. May as well open it up.
Make them join the army if they do
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Is there a reason why assistant coaches can't handle the portal? Especially when you see teams with like 10 of them on their bench?
Main reason would be that the season going on is still everyones main priority.
I could also imagine there could be a little keep the team focused thing. You start hitting the portal hard while playing for a elite 8/final 4 and some guys make over think being recruited over and a bunch of unnecessary stuff
It should just be put off until tuesday after the championship its so easy
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Main reason would be that the season going on is still everyones main priority.
I could also imagine there could be a little keep the team focused thing. You start hitting the portal hard while playing for a elite 8/final 4 and some guys make over think being recruited over and a bunch of unnecessary stuff
It should just be put off until tuesday after the championship its so easy
I guess. Truth be told both the portal and NIL have a lot of things about that bother me.
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Is there a reason why assistant coaches can't handle the portal? Especially when you see teams with like 10 of them on their bench?
The job requires total focus, total commitment, take no prisoners attitude. As you always say.
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The job requires total focus, total commitment, take no prisoners attitude. As you always say.
Fair enough.
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Who cares about the portal?
Honestly, I used to get so excited about the portal and about potential transfers- mainly because Shaka hit a grand slam with his first class that featured Tyler and Omax, partly because I knew he was a great recruiter.
Now, I’m excited as heck to not ever have to worry about the portal. Shaka doesn’t need it, and he will use it very sporadically when he has the need.
We don’t need to follow it, thank goodness.
That portal is a crapshoot anyway.
Dickinson was the portal darling this past offseason. He was good, but typically elite Kansas was not.
There was a Khalifa kid that was a prize get in the portal a few years ago and I saw him running up the court on some team the other night and thought to myself sweet Jesus.
Arkansas and coach Muss, who got the Martin twins to Nevada for an elite run, brings in a ton of guys yearly and look at them this year…
Sure, plenty of BE teams made their teams whole and competitive using the portal, and UConn used it to perfection to reload and be elite again, but it’s a crapshoot.
We’ve got the system in place, the talent in place, and we have no choice but to trust the guy in place to cherry pick and chose from the portal to compliment what he needs for another S16 and beyond run.
That’s what the portal is for with regards to Marquette
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Who cares about the portal?
Honestly, I used to get so excited about the portal and about potential transfers- mainly because Shaka hit a grand slam with his first class that featured Tyler and Omax, partly because I knew he was a great recruiter.
Now, I’m excited as heck to not ever have to worry about the portal. Shaka doesn’t need it, and he will use it very sporadically when he has the need.
We don’t need to follow it, thank goodness.
I am much more concerned about this coming weekend than the portal. But looking at next year's roster and the potential departure of far and away our best three players, I would think the portal is very much in play this offseason unless Shaka is fine with a very significant step back.
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I am much more concerned about this coming weekend than the portal. But looking at next year's roster and the potential departure of far and away our best three players, I would think the portal is very much in play this offseason unless Shaka is fine with a very significant step back.
If they all go, it will mean that Marquette has made the FF imo.
If Marquette makes the FF, Shaka will easily get 1-2 guys to make the team bid competitive for next season.
Tre, Stevie, Chase, Jop, Benny with SJ22 coming back, one or both of the frosh contributing, one or both of Al and/or Caedin as depth, would still make Marquette a top 60 KenPom team imo.
Shaka then would bring in 1-2 guys and reload because of the unexpected tripartite exit.
Marquette will be fine if they make the Final 4 and the big 3 head to the next level.
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If they all go, it will mean that Marquette has made the FF imo.
If Marquette makes the FF, Shaka will easily get 1-2 guys to make the team bid competitive for next season.
Tre, Stevie, Chase, Jop, Benny with SJ22 coming back, one or both of the frosh contributing, one or both of Al and/or Caedin as depth, would still make Marquette a top 60 KenPom team imo.
Shaka then would bring in 1-2 guys and reload because of the unexpected tripartite exit.
Marquette will be fine if they make the Final 4 and the big 3 head to the next level.
There was some chatter about Sean Jones not really being in the mix next year due to his rehab. Have you heard otherwise?
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There was some chatter about Sean Jones not really being in the mix next year due to his rehab. Have you heard otherwise?
Have not, but as this Tyler injury shows there’s no sense to speculate over injuries.
SJ22 will be back in 2025. Will he be back in 2024 to start the season? I’d guess no, but sometimes that injury has shown in certain elite athletes, of which he is one, that it heals quicker.
Worst case scenario he’s ready as an elite option for the heart of the BE season, assuming recovery is normal
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Have not, but as this Tyler injury shows there’s no sense to speculate over injuries.
SJ22 will be back in 2025. Will he be back in 2024 to start the season? I’d guess no, but sometimes that injury has shown in certain elite athletes, of which he is one, that it heals quicker.
Worst case scenario he’s ready as an elite option for the heart of the BE season, assuming recovery is normal
Its been reported here by many people with good intel that optimism is not strong for SJ to play at all next year
And Tylers injury is completely irrelevent. A 3-4 week injury where it was always said hed be back is much different than a shredded knee that takes a full year at best to heal.
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I might be totally wrong on this because (knock on wood) I’ve never had a serious knee injury. But seems like if it’s “just” an ACL tear people are back walking without crutches pretty quickly. The rehab sucks and is usually about a full year, but you can get back to walking within a couple weeks of surgery I thought.
The fact that Sean is still using a crutch makes me think it was more than just his ACL. And it happened in late January I think? Feels like he’ll be coming back mid season at best, and at that point how long does it take to get up to speed? Might as well use the redshirt year and have 2 years left to play.
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Shaka then would bring in 1-2 guys and reload because of the unexpected tripartite exit.
I'm guessing that by now Shaka already expects - as in knows - that 2 of the 3 are leaving. And the way Kam has played the last month, a third leaving wouldn't be all that unexpected to him, either. He knows how the game is played.
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I'm guessing that by now Shaka already expects - as in knows - that 2 of the 3 are leaving. And the way Kam has played the last month, a third leaving wouldn't be all that unexpected to him, either. He knows how the game is played.
Yea I’m sure he’s braced for the 2 leaving, but I’m not so sure he expects Kam to leave.
That’s a potential BEPOY and All American candidate guard that would be leaving, so quite the shift.
Now, just imagine, if both Tyler and Kam return…
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Yea I’m sure he’s braced for the 2 leaving, but I’m not so sure he expects Kam to leave.
That’s a potential BEPOY and All American candidate guard that would be leaving, so quite the shift.
Now, just imagine, if both Tyler and Kam return…
Sure. And maybe OMax comes back, too!
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Yea I’m sure he’s braced for the 2 leaving, but I’m not so sure he expects Kam to leave.
That’s a potential BEPOY and All American candidate guard that would be leaving, so quite the shift.
Now, just imagine, if both Tyler and Kam return…
Ill personally smack TK upside the head until he gets some sense if he tries to return. Its not happening. This is his last ride, then we see him in the NBA next year.
Kam I think returns. Mocks only have him late second round at best. Would be quite non guaranteed move. He can return and showcase as an alpha and sky rocket.
I think he finishes it out with Stevie(and Jop)
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I know, I get it.
I’m pretty sure that OMax couldn’t make 1 million bucks in NIL though.
I’m also pretty sure that OMax couldn’t solidify himself as one of the best point guards (or forwards in Olivier’s case) in both Marquette and NCAA history if he would have returned.
Tyler hasn’t said he’s gone for a reason. There’s still a higher likelihood that he goes than not, because he is playing himself into an NBA first rounder, but the landscape has changed.
He’s already a professional in this new era of college basketball.
He can leave a lasting image in his life and career whether he stays or goes.
He will make a lot of money whether he stays or goes, but likely much more if he goes.
4 years ago it would be a no brainer, this day and age it seems like a no brainer but when you’re in a good position either way, sometimes you just never know.
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Kam I think returns. Mocks only have him late second round at best. Would be quite non guaranteed move. He can return and showcase as an alpha and sky rocket.
I think he finishes it out with Stevie(and Jop)
That wouldn't surprise me at all. As I've said before, I think Kam would benefit from getting to play a good amount of PG next season. And like the rest of us, selfishly, I'd love for Kam to return.
But you just never know with these decisions. College athletes have a lot of people talking to them.
I know, I get it.
I’m pretty sure that OMax couldn’t make 1 million bucks in NIL though.
I’m also pretty sure that OMax couldn’t solidify himself as one of the best point guards (or forwards in Olivier’s case) in both Marquette and NCAA history if he would have returned.
Tyler hasn’t said he’s gone for a reason. There’s still a higher likelihood that he goes than not, because he is playing himself into an NBA first rounder, but the landscape has changed.
He’s already a professional in this new era of college basketball.
He can leave a lasting image in his life and career whether he stays or goes.
He will make a lot of money whether he stays or goes, but likely much more if he goes.
4 years ago it would be a no brainer, this day and age it seems like a no brainer but when you’re in a good position either way, sometimes you just never know.
You're projecting your hopes into TK's mind, and that's OK. It won't bring him back for another year, but it's OK.
Enjoy these last 4 games.
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That wouldn't surprise me at all. As I've said before, I think Kam would benefit from getting to play a good amount of PG next season. And like the rest of us, selfishly, I'd love for Kam to return.
But you just never know with these decisions. College athletes have a lot of people talking to them.
Forgot to say, my other reason for Kam returning imo is Oso and especially TK being gone means he becames the clear cut NIL focus a lot he can make in deals. And we already do really well from a team inventory sales stand point, win a couple more this week and that should keep boosting.
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This is the last I’ll post of this until after Marquettes trip to the final 4 because none of it is the focus right now-
A guy that works with Kam and Tyler has been working hard to secure NIL commitments from both in the last month.
This isn’t insider info either- Tyler just released a new clothing NIL commercial within the last few weeks.
Maybe I’m projecting my hopes, but it would seem odd to me that someone that’s a few months from a career in the NBA is looking into and securing new NIL deals.
It’s a new landscape, and every dollar counts, but that’s just my two cents on it.
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You’re allowed to have those kind of deals in the nba. Ask Mike.
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Have not, but as this Tyler injury shows there’s no sense to speculate over injuries.
SJ22 will be back in 2025. Will he be back in 2024 to start the season? I’d guess no, but sometimes that injury has shown in certain elite athletes, of which he is one, that it heals quicker.
Worst case scenario he’s ready as an elite option for the heart of the BE season, assuming recovery is normal
I had my meniscus root repair surgery in 2021. I was on crutches and in a knee brace for 6 weeks and not allowed to bend it at all. I was on crutches for another 6 weeks after the brace came off.
I was only cleared to run 6 months after surgery but with severe limitations. 10 minutes in length only a few times a week. It was a purposeful slow ramp up for the next 3-4 months.
Not surprised he's still on crutches if it's that severe an injury.
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I had my meniscus root repair surgery in 2021. I was on crutches and in a knee brace for 6 weeks and not allowed to bend it at all. I was on crutches for another 6 weeks after the brace came off.
I was only cleared to run 6 months after surgery but with severe limitations. 10 minutes in length only a few times a week. It was a purposeful slow ramp up for the next 3-4 months.
Not surprised he's still on crutches if it's that severe an injury.
I’m surprised. Brace was still locked in extension (completely straight) as well. Probably meniscus or MCL repair too.
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This is the last I’ll post of this until after Marquettes trip to the final 4 because none of it is the focus right now-
A guy that works with Kam and Tyler has been working hard to secure NIL commitments from both in the last month.
This isn’t insider info either- Tyler just released a new clothing NIL commercial within the last few weeks.
Maybe I’m projecting my hopes, but it would seem odd to me that someone that’s a few months from a career in the NBA is looking into and securing new NIL deals.
It’s a new landscape, and every dollar counts, but that’s just my two cents on it.
To me, that's actually a sign he's already thinking about the more lucrative endorsements he can land once he's an NBA player. Ben Steele just had an article on exactly the NIL deals you're talking about, and it included discussion of bigger-money deals that will be available to TK at the next level. He's learning how to market himself for bigger paydays - a darn good use of one's time in college.
So yes, you are projecting your hopes, as you and others did with previous Marquette players who didn't stick around, and that's OK. You're allowed, and I'd love you to be right about TK. Just don't be too disappointed when you're not.
Forgot to say, my other reason for Kam returning imo is Oso and especially TK being gone means he becames the clear cut NIL focus a lot he can make in deals. And we already do really well from a team inventory sales stand point, win a couple more this week and that should keep boosting.
Reasonable point.
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Surprised the Portal opens so early as it is not fair for the 16 teams still in the tourney.
Gonzaga still managed to get a good player while still competing in the sweet 16... so its fine.
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Yea I’m sure he’s braced for the 2 leaving, but I’m not so sure he expects Kam to leave.
I love this concept that there are numerous threads on MUScoop speculating about whether Kam returns, but it hasn’t occurred to Shaka have a frank discussion with his star guard about what his future options and plans are.
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This is the last I’ll post of this until after Marquettes trip to the final 4 because none of it is the focus right now-
A guy that works with Kam and Tyler has been working hard to secure NIL commitments from both in the last month.
This isn’t insider info either- Tyler just released a new clothing NIL commercial within the last few weeks.
Maybe I’m projecting my hopes, but it would seem odd to me that someone that’s a few months from a career in the NBA is looking into and securing new NIL deals.
It’s a new landscape, and every dollar counts, but that’s just my two cents on it.
Why wouldn't someone secure NIL deals while they can, even if they plan on declaring for the draft? TK is not a definite 1st rounder so it makes sense to secure any deals he can while it's still possible. I'd be absolutely shocked if TK comes back.
As for Kam, a much more logical argument can be made for his return. He's just not the explosive athlete that the NBA loves in spite of how good of a scorer he is. He might be better served coming back as the clear #1 option and cleaning up on the NIL front. Perhaps he takes on more of a lead guard role at times as well.
I'm confident Kam will declare for the draft but retain his eligibility in order to go through the process and get feedback. There's no reason for him not to do that.
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Why wouldn't someone secure NIL deals while they can, even if they plan on declaring for the draft? TK is not a definite 1st rounder so it makes sense to secure any deals he can while it's still possible. I'd be absolutely shocked if TK comes back.
As for Kam, a much more logical argument can be made for his return. He's just not the explosive athlete that the NBA loves in spite of how good of a scorer he is. He might be better served coming back as the clear #1 option and cleaning up on the NIL front. Perhaps he takes on more of a lead guard role at times as well.
I'm confident Kam will declare for the draft but retain his eligibility in order to go through the process and get feedback. There's no reason for him not to do that.
Agree with most of this, yet don't think his lack of explosiveness will keep him out of the NBA. Why? Kam showed great potential running the PG position while Tyler was out - so he could likely play as a 1 in addition to a 2. Kam is a scoring "savant" as Shaka has said. There are plenty of guys on NBA rosters who aren't explosive athletes, but have elite shooting skill - Sam Hauser, AJ Green, etc. I feel Kam has that level of elite shooting ability to continue to evolve toward, but he is also so much more creative and capable than the 2 players mentioned above.
Not saying Kam would ever be Dame Lillard good, but Dame isn't an explosive athlete either - but a very gifted scorer.
Which with all of the above said, is why your point is accurate that there's no harm to test the NBA draft process. Just takes one team to want you/see you as a first round pick.
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Not saying Kam would ever be Dame Lillard good, but Dame isn't an explosive athlete either - but a very gifted scorer.
Dame's not an explosive athlete?
(https://media.tenor.com/iijDoBWbMRkAAAAM/portland-trail-blazers-damian-lillard.gif)
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Dame's not an explosive athlete?
(https://media.tenor.com/iijDoBWbMRkAAAAM/portland-trail-blazers-damian-lillard.gif)
Not at this stage of his career, and he still scores at will. But, that aside, did not recall he had that GIF level of athleticism as a younger player. 8-)
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Not at this stage of his career, and he still scores at will. But, that aside, did not recall he had that GIF level of athleticism as a younger player. 8-)
His first step is extremely quick and explosive. He's still dunking on people as a *6'2" guard (no way he is 6'2"). I mean, this is this year, on one of the best rim protectors in basketball, with the off hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgfyRdkOH3I
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Agree with most of this, yet don't think his lack of explosiveness will keep him out of the NBA. Why? Kam showed great potential running the PG position while Tyler was out - so he could likely play as a 1 in addition to a 2. Kam is a scoring "savant" as Shaka has said. There are plenty of guys on NBA rosters who aren't explosive athletes, but have elite shooting skill - Sam Hauser, AJ Green, etc. I feel Kam has that level of elite shooting ability to continue to evolve toward, but he is also so much more creative and capable than the 2 players mentioned above.
Not saying Kam would ever be Dame Lillard good, but Dame isn't an explosive athlete either - but a very gifted scorer.
Which with all of the above said, is why your point is accurate that there's no harm to test the NBA draft process. Just takes one team to want you/see you as a first round pick.
To be clear, I wasn't saying his lack of elite athleticism would keep him out of the NBA. I was saying it may make it less likely that he'd be a 1st rounder this summer and more likely he's back for his senior season.
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This is the last I’ll post of this until after Marquettes trip to the final 4 because none of it is the focus right now-
A guy that works with Kam and Tyler has been working hard to secure NIL commitments from both in the last month.
This isn’t insider info either- Tyler just released a new clothing NIL commercial within the last few weeks.
Maybe I’m projecting my hopes, but it would seem odd to me that someone that’s a few months from a career in the NBA is looking into and securing new NIL deals.
It’s a new landscape, and every dollar counts, but that’s just my two cents on it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/this-is-how-marquette-all-american-tyler-kolek-lands-nil-deals-even-during-march-madness/ar-BB1kCstz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=80caa22977264cf1a2e77eaa427d9cae&ei=13
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Colorado's Eddie Lamkin entering the transfer portal, per Jon Rothstein. Looks like the Buffs are in full rebuild mode, KJ likely entering the draft?
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Colorado's Eddie Lamkin entering the transfer portal, per Jon Rothstein. Looks like the Buffs are in full rebuild mode, KJ likely entering the draft?
Hadley (11.6 ppg) also in the portal. We really broke that team.
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DJ Davis for Butler in the portal. Only SJU from BE has reached out so far
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Didn't know where to post this, but what the heck.
AJ Storr to NBA draft, will keep college eligibility open.
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I am much more concerned about this coming weekend than the portal. But looking at next year's roster and the potential departure of far and away our best three players, I would think the portal is very much in play this offseason unless Shaka is fine with a very significant step back.
Could be wrong, but aren't you the guy that's predicted we were going to take a step back basically every single year under Shaka so far? Maybe we should all have a little bit more faith in our coaching staff at this point.
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Xavier with an addition from Furman. Don't know anything about him but he put up some nice numbers this season.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1773058481811014020?s=20
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Could be wrong, but aren't you the guy that's predicted we were going to take a step back basically every single year under Shaka so far? Maybe we should all have a little bit more faith in our coaching staff at this point.
and 30 others posters...
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Xavier with an addition from Furman. Don't know anything about him but he put up some nice numbers this season.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1773058481811014020?s=20
At the same time, seeing Reid Ducharme (0.4 ppg in five games) and Logan Duncomb (Did not play this year due to unspecified injury) depart.
And Butler losing Conor Turnbull, who only played the first 9 games this season before an elbow injury sidelined him.
And MU-related: Ross Candelino leaving Wisconsin. Anthony's son.
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https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1773357986607399030
Gus Yalden in the portal
lol
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https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1773357986607399030
Gus Yalden in the portal
lol
Add him to the list of guys that were big gets that lost their love of basketball
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Could be wrong, but aren't you the guy that's predicted we were going to take a step back basically every single year under Shaka so far? Maybe we should all have a little bit more faith in our coaching staff at this point.
Nah.
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Add him to the list of guys that were big gets that lost their love of basketball
Does anyone know what exactly happened with Yalden? It has to run deeper than citations for underage drinking and marijuana possession. From watching videos of Lowery at La Lumiere, it was clear that Yalden was talented.
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Does anyone know what exactly happened with Yalden? It has to run deeper than citations for underage drinking and marijuana possession. From watching videos of Lowery at La Lumiere, it was clear that Yalden was talented.
Family issues according to ShopKo Badgers
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Since I live in Minny I’m always following gophers news
Sounds like Hiroshima might be hitting them.
Payne already to the portal and he was one of the hometown kids…
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I think Marquette broke Colorado. I feel most of their non-first rounders are in the portal.
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Does anyone know what exactly happened with Yalden? It has to run deeper than citations for underage drinking and marijuana possession. From watching videos of Lowery at La Lumiere, it was clear that Yalden was talented.
I would guess that the underage drinking and marijuana occurring right after one another early in the fall semester just got him off on the wrong foot with Gard, and the fact he no longer was travelling on road trips could have meant some academic issues as well.
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Since I live in Minny I’m always following gophers news
Sounds like Hiroshima might be hitting them.
Payne already to the portal and he was one of the hometown kids…
He’ll be a good addition somewhere. Not a wow player, but a decent rotation player. Think Joshua Ola-Joseph is in the portal, too.
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Since I live in Minny I’m always following gophers news
Sounds like Hiroshima might be hitting them.
Payne already to the portal and he was one of the hometown kids…
I'm surprised that Ben Johnson survived. That's clearly not going anywhere.
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I'm surprised that Ben Johnson survived. That's clearly not going anywhere.
I think the hope was that with the decent year this year and everyone back next year could be the leap.
Was always wishful thinking on Dawson/Christie staying.
But Payne hitting the portal is a really bad sign.
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Potrykus says that MU offered Yalden when he was in HS: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/03/28/gus-yalden-is-second-wisconsin-basketball-player-who-plans-to-transfer/73130032007/
I never heard that and, with Potrykus, I take it with a big grain of salt.
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Pretty sure MU reached out to Yalden really early in Shaka's tenure when they were casting a wide net everywhere. It never got serious.
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Pretty sure MU reached out to Yalden really early in Shaka's tenure when they were casting a wide net everywhere. It never got serious.
Thanks.
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Potrykus says that MU offered Yalden when he was in HS: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/03/28/gus-yalden-is-second-wisconsin-basketball-player-who-plans-to-transfer/73130032007/
I never heard that and, with Potrykus, I take it with a big grain of salt.
When Marquette is good and the ShopKo Badgers are restless, Jeff has a lot on his plate and deflecting is one of them.
He’ll be pointing out all the other Big 18 transfers breathlessly to prove things are normal in Madtown.
Of course, he used to also be snarky about other programs and heavy transfers but he has an excuse now and it’s ok
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When Marquette is good and the ShopKo Badgers are restless, Jeff has a lot on his plate and deflecting is one of them.
He’ll be pointing out all the other Big 18 transfers breathlessly to prove things are normal in Madtown.
Of course, he used to also be snarky about other programs and heavy transfers but he has an excuse now and it’s ok
Very well said.
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When Marquette is good and the ShopKo Badgers are restless, Jeff has a lot on his plate and deflecting is one of them.
He’ll be pointing out all the other Big 18 transfers breathlessly to prove things are normal in Madtown.
Of course, he used to also be snarky about other programs and heavy transfers but he has an excuse now and it’s ok
Yep. They use to criticize MU for taking players that had transferred high schools. Last year, they took on 2 kids that swapped schools on a yearly basis.
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When Marquette is good and the ShopKo Badgers are restless, Jeff has a lot on his plate and deflecting is one of them.
He’ll be pointing out all the other Big 18 transfers breathlessly to prove things are normal in Madtown.
Of course, he used to also be snarky about other programs and heavy transfers but he has an excuse now and it’s ok
Very entertaining watching the badger media folks rationalize everything and attack their own readers.
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Very entertaining watching the badger media folks rationalize everything and attack their own readers.
If I were them, I’d probably limit the interactions with the lunatic fringe and engage with the ones asking serious questions but that would limit the humor for us, I suppose
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Storr in the portal
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Storr officially to the portal.
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Storr officially to the portal.
Obviously not a fit from day 1. Seemed like it might work out early on, but water reached its level eventually.
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Obviously not a fit from day 1. Seemed like it might work out early on, but water reached its level eventually.
He will have much better opportunities to showcase his skills in a different system.
Would not be surprised one bit to see him back in the Big East.
UConn will be calling.
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The portal giveth, and the portal taketh.
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He will have much better opportunities to showcase his skills in a different system.
Would not be surprised one bit to see him back in the Big East.
UConn will be calling.
I think UConn can do better
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UCONN also isnt dumb enough to be the highest bidder for him. Storr is going wherever the money is.
Also this will be his 7th school in 7 years, and yet Badger fans couldnt see this coming haha...
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He will have much better opportunities to showcase his skills in a different system.
Would not be surprised one bit to see him back in the Big East.
UConn will be calling.
Based on what I saw, Storr regularly got an opportunity to showcase his skills with the Weasels. He's a slasher who can cause opponents some havoc in the lane, but he's not a shooter and a pretty reluctant passer. And that's mostly how Gard used him - drive to the hoop, score inside, draw fouls. Gard also gave him freedom to take shots he wasn't really good at, arguably too much freedom.
Storr certainly didn't display other skills during his year with St. John's. What secret skills does he have that yet another system will showcase?
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I heard he was transferring to the first round of the NBA draft.
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Based on what I saw, Storr regularly got an opportunity to showcase his skills with the Weasels. He's a slasher who can cause opponents some havoc in the lane, but he's not a shooter and a pretty reluctant passer. And that's mostly how Gard used him - drive to the hoop, score inside, draw fouls. Gard also gave him freedom to take shots he wasn't really good at, arguably too much freedom.
Storr certainly didn't display other skills during his year with St. John's. What secret skills does he have that yet another system will showcase?
Yeah. And he'd drive Dan Hurley nuts.
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Be interesting to see who they can attract in the portal. I would imagine they'd only have one starting spot to "sell" as I imagine they'll move Blackwell into Storr's spot. Looking like it might be a pretty thin bench.
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Be interesting to see who they can attract in the portal. I would imagine they'd only have one starting spot to "sell" as I imagine they'll move Blackwell into Storr's spot. Looking like it might be a pretty thin bench.
Frankie Fidler sounds like he's likely to transfer there. He's from Omaha and looks to be a decent scorer. Played with Chucky Hepburn before.
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Frankie Fidler sounds like he's likely to transfer there. He's from Omaha and looks to be a decent scorer. Played with Chucky Hepburn before.
He was at Creighton's practice the other day.
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Frankie Fidler sounds like he's likely to transfer there. He's from Omaha and looks to be a decent scorer. Played with Chucky Hepburn before.
Yea I've seen that rumor too. 1st team all summit, but seems more like a Wahl replacement than a Storr, if he even comes.
Blackwell was first off the bench, and I'd imagine he'll start, but after that? Essegian is gone, McGee has had two years to prove he's not a high major player, Winter looks to be on that 7'0"er from Minnesota development plan and can backup Crowl, but unless Ilver, Gilmore, or Lindsey show you something that they haven't their first 3+ years in the program its going to be Freshman. They're excited about this borderline top 100 guard out of Minnesota, but it still looks kinda thin. Extend Gard.
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I heard he was transferring to the first round of the NBA draft.
From a couple of days ago:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/wisconsins-aj-storr-to-declare-for-nba-draft-but-maintain-college-eligibility/ar-BB1kA5KM (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/wisconsins-aj-storr-to-declare-for-nba-draft-but-maintain-college-eligibility/ar-BB1kA5KM)
UCONN also isnt dumb enough to be the highest bidder for him. Storr is going wherever the money is.
Crystal Ball is reporting that it's Illinoi$.
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Gopher season ticket holder here. That team is in free fall but they have some decent talent. Payne is a big body, hard worker, very athletic and a rim protector. Brutal FT shooter. Will be very interesting to see where he lands. Definitely worth kicking the tires but he wants a big bag of loot.
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Be interesting to see who they can attract in the portal. I would imagine they'd only have one starting spot to "sell" as I imagine they'll move Blackwell into Storr's spot. Looking like it might be a pretty thin bench.
Rumblings center around the Hepburn connections already mentioned here. Adding kids from lower leagues is fine from a depth standpoint but not sure it improves them significantly
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Rumblings center around the Hepburn connections already mentioned here. Adding kids from lower leagues is fine from a depth standpoint but not sure it improves them significantly
And that's assuming they can land him. Supposedly the three schools he's visiting are Creighton, Nebraska and Madison. Chucky or no Chucky, I could see Creighton being a more attractive landing spot. All Mack has to do is say "look what I did with my last Summit League transfer".
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And that's assuming they can land him. Supposedly the three schools he's visiting are Creighton, Nebraska and Madison. Chucky or no Chucky, I could see Creighton being a more attractive landing spot. All Mack has to do is say "look what I did with my last Summit League transfer".
And who has the better bag
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Potrykus says that MU offered Yalden when he was in HS: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/03/28/gus-yalden-is-second-wisconsin-basketball-player-who-plans-to-transfer/73130032007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/03/28/gus-yalden-is-second-wisconsin-basketball-player-who-plans-to-transfer/73130032007/)
I never heard that and, with Potrykus, I take it with a big grain of salt.
This also says MU offered (https://247sports.com/Player/gus-yalden-46101554/TimelineEvents/) on 6/15/2021.
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His first step is extremely quick and explosive. He's still dunking on people as a *6'2" guard (no way he is 6'2"). I mean, this is this year, on one of the best rim protectors in basketball, with the off hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgfyRdkOH3I
KAM is 6'5".
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Be interesting to see who they can attract in the portal. I would imagine they'd only have one starting spot to "sell" as I imagine they'll move Blackwell into Storr's spot. Looking like it might be a pretty thin bench.
I had heard Blackwell might be entering as well too. Illinois might just grab 2 Badgers
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The Weasels don't need any players. Gard always finds a way to get it done.
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The Weasels don't need any players. Gard always finds a way to get it done.
Gard knows ball
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The Weasels don't need any players. Gard always finds a way to get it done.
Players No Matta!
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
For better or worse?
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
Being able to dunk the basketball did that
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I thought UNLV under Tarkanian destroyed college basketball.
I thought the Fab 5 destroyed college basketball.
I thought the shot clock destroyed college basketball. (Thank you for eliminating the 4 corners offense)
I thought the 3 pt line destroyed college basketball.
I thought all of the conference tournaments destroyed college basketball.
The only constant is change. This, too, will be adjusted to and figured out.
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I think the hope was that with the decent year this year and everyone back next year could be the leap.
Was always wishful thinking on Dawson/Christie staying.
But Payne hitting the portal is a really bad sign.
I wish John "Magic" Dawson had stayed at Marquette too...
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
No it won’t.
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
OK.
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Tyler Nickel back in the portal for a second time. Recall that he was one of the few MU reached out to last year around this time.
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The portal is going to destroy college basketball as we knew it.
I don't think we know yet the long-term ramifications. I will say that realignment is not good for college sports. I'm sure track athletes in tbe B18 are thrilled about non-charter jets across the country in the dead of winter.
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Being able to dunk the basketball did that
The game was better when it was only layups, set shots, and midrange jumpers.
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The game was better when it was only layups, set shots, and midrange jumpers.
I miss four corners. Why did they have to go and implement a shot clock and destroy that magic.
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Tyler Nickel back in the portal for a second time. Recall that he was one of the few MU reached out to last year around this time.
Nickleback in the portal, huh? He's never gonna be alone.
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Nickleback in the portal, huh? He's never gonna be alone.
If that is a nickelback song, shame on you for knowing that
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That's how you remind him of what he truly is.
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Will be curious to see which Marquette player portals. If they make it through the off-season without an expected contributor portaling, that would be impressive
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Will be curious to see which Marquette player portals. If they make it through the off-season without an expected contributor portaling, that would be impressive
Define expected contributor.
Only 7 players played against Colorado. It would not surprise me, if any or all of the freshmen left.
On the other hand, it would not surprise me if they all stayed.
We will not know until a few days after our season has ended. I do not expect us to take any players from the portal, if none of our players enter the portal.
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Define expected contributor.
Only 7 players played against Colorado. It would not surprise me, if any or all of the freshmen left.
On the other hand, it would not surprise me if they all stayed.
We will not know until a few days after our season has ended. I do not expect us to take any players from the portal, if none of our players enter the portal.
Ross, Gold, Joplin, Tre, Zaide, Stevie and Kam if he is back and not in the draft.
Didn’t include Sean because of injury
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Define expected contributor.
Only 7 players played against Colorado. It would not surprise me, if any or all of the freshmen left.
On the other hand, it would not surprise me if they all stayed.
We will not know until a few days after our season has ended. I do not expect us to take any players from the portal, if none of our players enter the portal.
Maybe some of the frosh will leave. Maybe they will stay. Maybe some of our players will enter the portal. Or maybe they will not. Maybe we will take a transfer. Or maybe we will not. ;D
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The game was better when it was only layups, set shots, and midrange jumpers.
My dad passed away in 1983 and one of the clearest memories I have of him was his crazy basketball one legged jump/set shot form which I thought was bizarre and hilarious as a little kid. That was until I later watched the movie Hoosiers and saw 1-2 of the players use the same form. I guess it really was how they shot in the late 1940’s
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If that is a nickelback song, shame on you for knowing that
OK. Never again.
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OK. Never again.
I'm not thinking about the portal. Just enjoying the ride that is this season. Some day all we will have to look back on is a photograph.
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cheebs09
It is a time to enjoy a great run in MU basketball and enjoy every minute. This a special time and plenty of time to talk next year in mid April.
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You're a Rockstar, Goose.
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The Weasels don't need any players. Gard always finds a way to get it done.
And he owns Shaka
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Marquette has taken The Long Road to get to this point but they’re in the Here And Now for All The Right Reasons. They’re definitely no DarK Horse and I’m looking for them to Get Rollin’ tomorrow night.
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My dad passed away in 1983 and one of the clearest memories I have of him was his crazy basketball one legged jump/set shot form which I thought was bizarre and hilarious as a little kid. That was until I later watched the movie Hoosiers and saw 1-2 of the players use the same form. I guess it really was how they shot in the late 1940’s
The first NCAA tournament game Al won at Marquette was in March of 1968, 56 years ago, against Bowling Green in Kent, Oh. We trailed by 1 with seconds left until PG Jimmy Burke made a shot from the top of the key to win the game. He was the only MU player I ever saw (before Oso) who didn’t ever shoot a jump shot, but his two handed set shot was money. I was at the game and the party at the motel lasted until sunrise.
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Wonder if Shaka should explore the portal. It seems all the teams in the sweet 16 have a number of players from the portal.
Just thinking for Mu to have a better chance to win the whole tourney, Shaka might want to explore the portal. This is big time basketball
and we should recruit the best players and the cream rises to the top and the players below can transfer out.
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Wonder if Shaka should explore the portal. It seems all the teams in the sweet 16 have a number of players from the portal.
Just thinking for Mu to have a better chance to win the whole tourney, Shaka might want to explore the portal. This is big time basketball
and we should recruit the best players and the cream rises to the top and the players below can transfer out.
100%. Almost better to lose tomorrow so we can get a jump start on portal guys. Culture be damned.
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IMO, MU's participation in the portal will be dictated by 1 thing. How many players beyond TKo and Oso leave. If there are departures, there will have to be additions. If the roster remains status quo, I can picture a guard to help compensate for SJones recovery.
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Wonder if Shaka should explore the portal. It seems all the teams in the sweet 16 have a number of players from the portal.
Just thinking for Mu to have a better chance to win the whole tourney, Shaka might want to explore the portal. This is big time basketball
and we should recruit the best players and the cream rises to the top and the players below can transfer out.
Shaka explores the portal every year. This year will be no different.
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Ross, Gold, Joplin, Tre, Zaide, Stevie and Kam if he is back and not in the draft.
Didn’t include Sean because of injury
Ben Steele has an update on Sean Jones (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/28/marquettes-sean-jones-isnt-playing-in-ncaa-tournament-acl-tear-eight-or-nine-months-recovery-time/73128835007/)
Jones: Physically, I got full motion in my leg. So just trying to keep that. Doing exercises every day to extend my knee. Get it all the bent, get it all the way straight. So that's what I'm doing physically. Squats, stuff like that.
What's the timeline that they have given you?
Jones: Probably eight-to-nine more months.
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I would like to see Zeke Mayo in a MU uniform next year if we have a departure of Kolek and/or Kam.
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I would like to see Zeke Mayo in a MU uniform next year if we have a departure of Kolek and/or Kam.
Kolek isn’t coming back
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We need a 6’6” slasher at guard next year
Sean’s height is a disadvantage at the rim
Seemed to me he too often got rejected on drives
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Shaka explores the portal every year. This year will be no different.
you tight w/Shaka, hey? Giving you the inside, ah, scoop?
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We need a 6’6” slasher at guard next year
Sean’s height is a disadvantage at the rim
Seemed to me he too often got rejected on drives
Damarius Owens.
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Damarius Owens.
And Zaide Lowery.
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Shaka explores the portal every year. This year will be no different.
you tight w/Shaka, hey? Giving you the inside, ah, scoop?
I think any reasonably competent coach explores the portal every year. Shaka is far better than reasonably competent. It follows then, that he explores the portal every year. I don't think that's a controversial take. Whether he actually finds someone that fits his culture, system, price range, etc...well...that's an entirely different question. It's not reasonable to think that you can can simply ignore one of the most important sources of talent and still succeed at a high level over the long-term. That doesn't mean that a coach should reflexively take a player (or players) every year, but it'd be foolish to not at least look.
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I think he will have to add 1 for sure if Jones leaves, with Sean Jones questionable, 12 is a good number on scholarship then.
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I agree with that. And, if there are multiple departures beyond Kam, I assume there will be multiple transfers in.
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Both Illinois and UCONN added significant components this season which contributed to their advancing to the FF
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CJ Dunn to DePaul
Transfer from Indiana Indiana
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MU went with continuity, which contributed greatly to their S16 (so far) run. And as of yet, neither Illinois nor UConn are in the final 4. I do expect UConn to win it all.
And for the record, MU is the only school in the sweet 16 that did not bring in a player from the portal.
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Both Illinois and UCONN added significant components this season which contributed to their advancing to the FF
FWIW, its becoming pretty clear Underwood is going to live in the portal. It has worked pretty well for him, but I don't think his and Shaka's program-building templates are going to be very similar at all.
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Both Illinois and UCONN added significant components this season which contributed to their advancing to the FF
Neither team is in the Final Four but one will be, as they play each other tomorrow for the right to advance.
But yes, they added good players via the portal ... as has Shaka in previous years, and as he might again in future years if the circumstance is right.
I trust Shaka more than I trust others on this topic, but you're free to trust whomever or whatever you'd like.
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https://twitter.com/Bballmom25/status/1773753993879335305?t=RbT-VoAOGEtYcpaGFtSLBg&s=19
Seth Trimble's mom seems displeased with his benching last night.
Also liked a tweet saying that Shaka would love to see Seth back home.
One to keep an eye on potentially.
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Seth Trimble is the kind of transfer I would expect, if Shaka decides to take a transfer and assuming he is ok being a bench player here next season. Veteran, backup PG. Good size and on ball defense. And Shaka has a relationship with him already as a HS recruit.
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https://twitter.com/Bballmom25/status/1773753993879335305?t=RbT-VoAOGEtYcpaGFtSLBg&s=19
Seth Trimble's mom seems displeased with his benching last night.
Also liked a tweet saying that Shaka would love to see Seth back home.
One to keep an eye on potentially.
Who tweeted that Shaka would love to see him back home?
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Who tweeted that Shaka would love to see him back home?
Some random guy. https://twitter.com/MichaelChase77/status/1773645155045695893?t=aXXLCWIZJ8kC4DDMmYh90A&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Bballmom25/status/1773753993879335305?t=RbT-VoAOGEtYcpaGFtSLBg&s=19
Seth Trimble's mom seems displeased with his benching last night.
Also liked a tweet saying that Shaka would love to see Seth back home.
One to keep an eye on potentially.
That’s not great.
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That’s not great.
Saw him play for 2 years, does not bring a lot of offense to the table, probably can find somebody better but good PR to get a local kid
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Saw him play for 2 years, does not bring a lot of offense to the table, probably can find somebody better but good PR to get a local kid
Getting local kids isn’t relevant at all.
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MU went with continuity, which contributed greatly to their S16 (so far) run. And as of yet, neither Illinois nor UConn are in the final 4. I do expect UConn to win it all.
And for the record, MU is the only school in the sweet 16 that did not bring in a player from the portal.
Tower , my point is that continuity and experience is what's needed to get this far. Domasc,for example, is a fifth yr. player
i'm excited about who is coming next year but am hoping we add some experience especially if we lose three starters. Two of the teams already in the FF added experienced players . Just something to consider
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Tower , my point is that continuity and experience is what's needed to get this far. Domasc,for example, is a fifth yr. player
i'm excited about who is coming next year but am hoping we add some experience especially if we lose three starters. Two of the teams already in the FF added experienced players . Just something to consider
This is the 2nd time…
There is literally NO ONE in the Final Four yet.
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MU went with continuity, which contributed greatly to their S16 (so far) run. And as of yet, neither Illinois nor UConn are in the final 4. I do expect UConn to win it all.
And for the record, MU is the only school in the sweet 16 that did not bring in a player from the portal.
So 15 of the 16 did bring in players. For the record.
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So 15 of the 16 did bring in players. For the record.
Great drop, Dung
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So 15 of the 16 did bring in players. For the record.
Which makes MU cool. For the record.
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Look for shooters. To play this offense, they need more consistency from 3.
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Halftime for Shaka might be better spent calling the portal prospects....
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The fighting Koleks will storm back in this half
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If Marquette is lucky David Joplin will enter the portal.
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If Marquette is lucky David Joplin will enter the portal.
Is there portal for fake fans, a**hole?
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Is there portal for fake fans, a**hole?
To be fair without jop we'd be down like 5
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To be fair without jop we'd be down like 5
How'd Jop do last game to get us here?
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How'd Jop do last game to get us here?
Did great! Glad we're cool with a 16th place finish
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Is there portal for fake fans, a**hole?
I’m sorry you’re hurting
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Did great! Glad we're cool with a 16th place finish
Who said that?
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I’m sorry you’re hurting
I'm good. I'm sorry for anyone that has to associate with you in real life.
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I’ve never seen this team have so many embarrassing turnovers
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I'm good. I'm sorry for anyone that has to associate with you in real life.
Lol I said a player should be in the portal. You threw a tantrum. You’re definitely not good.
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Lol I said a player should be in the portal. You threw a tantrum. You’re definitely not good.
"Tantrum".
Calling you an a**hole, which you clearly are, is hardly a tantrum.
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"Tantrum".
Calling you an a**hole, which you clearly are, is hardly a tantrum.
It’s hilarious to me that I just post on basketball, you continually to post personal attacks and yet you think I’m the pretty boy. You’re hurting and delusional.
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It’s hilarious to me that I just post on basketball, you continually to post personal attacks and yet you think I’m the pretty boy. You’re hurting and delusional.
Your next post "on basketball" will be your first. Rooting for you.
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Can you two keep this nonsense in the game thread please?
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Boopie Miller to the portal. He'd be a good fit here but imagine zero chance that happens.
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How'd Jop do last game to get us here?
Wow....He made 2 free throws under pressure.....Name another game he had a positive effect....
We would be playing today with anyone who shot 20% at his position....
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Wow....He made 2 free throws under pressure.....Name another game he had a positive effect....
We would be playing today with anyone who shot 20% at his position....
I can name plenty of other games where he contributed positively but considering you're trolling what's the point?
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I can name plenty of other games where he contributed positively but considering you're trolling what's the point?
Joplin is a starter for DePaul in the real world.....
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MU doesn't play in the real world?
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MU doesn't play in the real world?
Mark my words.....Both freshman will blow past him next year.....If he sticks around.....
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That would be fun. Two incoming freshmen blowing past a senior and starter from a sweet 16 team.
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I’ve never seen this team have so many embarrassing turnovers
I've never seen Scoop have so many embarrassing turnovers.
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Boopie Miller to the portal. He'd be a good fit here but imagine zero chance that happens.
PG, good shooter, from Chicago, I'd take him.
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This guy is a unit. He looks like a linebacker. D2 but apparently MU has reached out.
https://twitter.com/PDTScouting/status/1772440595664879617?t=y4J4MXoz4V9Xj6JtaK9Uxg&s=19
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This guy is a unit. He looks like a linebacker. D2 but apparently MU has reached out.
https://twitter.com/PDTScouting/status/1772440595664879617?t=y4J4MXoz4V9Xj6JtaK9Uxg&s=19
Burns will have guys like this as a hot commodity.
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Burns will have guys like this as a hot commodity.
That is a good point. Seems like this guy has more range than burns as well.
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That is a good point. Seems like this guy has more range than burns as well.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=burns
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https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=burns
Holy sheet - that puts things into perspective. The burns effect.
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Holy sheet - that puts things into perspective. The burns effect.
Everybody, including the most casual basketball fans are infatuated.
(to be fair, he's an amazing dude away from basketball, from what I've read & heard)
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Everybody, including the most casual basketball fans are infatuated.
(to be fair, he's an amazing dude away from basketball, from what I've read & heard)
I saw a Twitter post of him taking pictures with the security staff in the tunnel after the game today. Definitely seems like a stand up type of guy who you would love to have in your program.
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This guy is a unit. He looks like a linebacker. D2 but apparently MU has reached out.
https://twitter.com/PDTScouting/status/1772440595664879617?t=y4J4MXoz4V9Xj6JtaK9Uxg&s=19
He's highly skilled. Can he guard anyone?
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He's highly skilled. Can he guard anyone?
I don't know. Been trying to find more on him but there is not a lot of tape on D2 players. 45% from 3 and 91% from the foul line will please a ton of scoopers. :)
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I don't know. Been trying to find more on him but there is not a lot of tape on D2 players. 45% from 3 and 91% from the foul line will please a ton of scoopers. :)
91% from the stripe?? And a 45% trifecta?? He also has nice handles. Where did this dude come from? Can he mix it up a bit as well??
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Did great! Glad we're cool with a 16th place finish
Actually we finished anywhere you want to put us between 9th and 16th.
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91% from the stripe?? And a 45% trifecta?? He also has nice handles. Where did this dude come from? Can he mix it up a bit as well??
He's from Akron and played at the same high school LeBron James did (St Vincent St Mary's).
All I can find is a post game interview of him from college.
https://youtu.be/8FSjV64FT-0?si=9bu4gDMXKOQNMY7Y
He also has 2 years of eligibility left.
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He's from Akron and played at the same high school LeBron James did (St Vincent St Mary's).
All I can find is a post game interview of him from college.
https://youtu.be/8FSjV64FT-0?si=9bu4gDMXKOQNMY7Y
He also has 2 years of eligibility left.
Ty. I'm no expert but he has excellent touch and range. It's pretty rare you see a guy with thaf frame carve guys up with a step back triple.
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Ty. I'm no expert but he has excellent touch and range. It's pretty rare you see a guy with thaf frame carve guys up with a step back triple.
He look incredible…. But can he do it against big East teams and guards etc, Interesting player,…. We want bulk!! He’s got bulk! Great shooter . Wow
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Ty. I'm no expert but he has excellent touch and range. It's pretty rare you see a guy with thaf frame carve guys up with a step back triple.
Interesting player. Think I’d need to watch some gameplay of him though to be sold. Would like to see him going to the rim and his activity on defense. Seems pretty slow and not athletic enough honestly.
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Interesting player. Think I’d need to watch some gameplay of him though to be sold. Would like to see him going to the rim and his activity on defense. Seems pretty slow and not athletic enough honestly.
We'd have to see more but I don't think he's slow.
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We'd have to see more but I don't think he's slow.
Is a manatee slow?
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He definitely looks very interesting. He also has been playing 36 min a night all season, so it appears his size isn't an issue. I wonder why he didn't get a D1 offer. I am 100% assuming it was because he wasn't in shape? I'm sure a summer with Todd would make him a beast. I know scoopers want their aircraft carrier or PG. But having a tank who is 6' 7" and can shoot like that and average nearly 8 boards a game would be a nice addition.
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a summer with Todd would make him a beast.
Completely serious. When folks think athletic trainers will turn someone into a good BBall player, I shudder.
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Completely serious. When folks thing athletic trainers will turn someone into a good BBall player, I shudder.
I am not talking about his ability to put the ball through the hoop, as it looks like he can do that just fine. When I say "a summer with Todd" I am referring to losing some weight and gaining some muscle.
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Is a manatee slow?
Manatees are not slow. For short distances they can swim 20 mph.
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I am not talking about his ability to put the ball through the hoop, as it looks like he can do that just fine. When I say "a summer with Todd" I am referring to losing some weight and gaining some muscle.
Completely agree.
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I am not talking about his ability to put the ball through the hoop, as it looks like he can do that just fine. When I say "a summer with Todd" I am referring to losing some weight and gaining some muscle.
OK. I've looked at nothing. And celebrating après day.
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Haha all good. Here is a preview - he's 6 7 and maybe 250-260 lb. Massive tank who can shoot the ball from 3. Enjoy the video in the twitter link I sent when you have a chance to watch it. It's definitely interesting to say the least.
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Haha all good. Here is a preview - he's 6 7 and maybe 250-260 lb. Massive tank who can shoot the ball from 3. Enjoy the video in the twitter link I sent when you have a chance to watch it. It's definitely interesting to say the least.
Thanks. History suggests you're not a dummy.
Having UConn in the BE for the foreseeable future should help with the next TV contract. Very curious to see what happens going forward.
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Thanks. History suggests you're not a dummy.
Thanks Rocky. Appreciate it!
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I don't know. Been trying to find more on him but there is not a lot of tape on D2 players. 45% from 3 and 91% from the foul line will please a ton of scoopers. :)
91%…but I’ve been informed FT’s irrelevant, hey
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I think I'd be okay if Kobe Johnson wanted to come back to Milwaukee.
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I think I'd be okay if Kobe Johnson wanted to come back to Milwaukee.
I'm keeping an eye on Seth Trimble. Rumors are out there.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19)
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I'm keeping an eye on Seth Trimble. Rumors are out there.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19)
If he can play on the ball he'd be a better fit. Johnson is a much better player, at least so far. My thought with Johnson is that if he came in, then I'd be more comfortable with Kam being the lead guard all year.
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I'm keeping an eye on Seth Trimble. Rumors are out there.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19)
I think he could help. I also think the way his mom went straight to twitter after their loss wouldn't jive well with the vibe at MU.
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I'm keeping an eye on Seth Trimble. Rumors are out there.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19)
99% sure that Zyavier Ricks guy is a troll acount FYI.
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If people wanted real info they should pay for Trilly Donovan's discord.
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If people wanted real info they should pay for Trilly Donovan's discord.
Or... You pay and share the info here. Slacker.
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Or... You pay and share the info here. Slacker.
I subscribed to it last week for the hell of it. He has Seth Trimble as a potential portal entrant but no other comments on it.
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99% sure that Zyavier Ricks guy is a troll acount FYI.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773786037866660052
He got the Kugel news before it was official.
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Thanks. Given that we don't ask for much here, I'm annoyed when people say "I know something, but you'll have to pay for it". Lol
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Thanks. Given that we don't ask for much here, I'm annoyed when people say "I know something, but you'll have to pay for it". Lol
Sorry, I should have given more framing to my comment.
I do not pay for Trilly's discord. I saw people suggesting Zyavier was a troll account, so I thought I would suggest a source that is unofficial but has proven to be pretty reliable over the years. I wasn't trying to suggest I had some magic insight or access that I was unwilling to share.
Just pointing out that to the extent anyone can access "good" portal info, Trilly's probably the place to find it.
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Fair. I took it the wrong way.
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Fair. I took it the wrong way.
No worries. Yours was a fair reading of my post.
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Trimble is one that actually makes sense given the portal approach from Shaka. Shaka already has a relationship from recruiting him, multiple year player, and fits a need.
Interesting (hopefully decent) rumbling.
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https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1774827356714139711?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Another freshman 6’8 sharpshooter who was rotting on Arizona’s bench hitting the portal. Paulius Murauskas from Lithuania.
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Trilly has Mark Armstrong, Desmond Claude and Kadary Richmond as intelled portalers on his discord. Has enough confidence they’ll all enter to list them in his portalers list
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Trilly has Mark Armstrong, Desmond Claude and Kadary Richmond as intelled portalers on his discord. Has enough confidence they’ll all enter to list them in his portalers list
Stinks for Xavier. If they had a fully healthy roster this year, their starting lineup of Freemantle, Hunter, Oliver, Claude, and either McKnight or Ousmane is right up there with Marquette’s and Creighton’s for second best in the Big East.
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If Tyler does officially take off and Mark Armstrong enters the portal……
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If Tyler does officially take off and Mark Armstrong enters the portal……
I do not understand the Armstrong fascination - he was 41% from field and 28% from 3 and is averaging close to 2 turnovers per 24 minutes and a 23% usage rate. Yes, he is an incredible athlete, but I struggle to see how he would be an upgrade to our current roster. Maybe I am missing something?
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Jake
I would pass on Trimble. Would not surprise if he ends up here for the reasons you noted, but I think there are better player out there. Plus, I am hoping Norman and Zaide make nice strides in the offseason.
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I do not understand the Armstrong fascination - he was 41% from field and 28% from 3 and is averaging close to 2 turnovers per 24 minutes and a 23% usage rate. Yes, he is an incredible athlete, but I struggle to see how he would be an upgrade to our current roster. Maybe I am missing something?
His pick and roll numbers are really good. I think people impressed with him would like to see him in a different offense.
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I do not understand the Armstrong fascination - he was 41% from field and 28% from 3 and is averaging close to 2 turnovers per 24 minutes and a 23% usage rate. Yes, he is an incredible athlete, but I struggle to see how he would be an upgrade to our current roster. Maybe I am missing something?
He has the highest pick and roll efficiency of anyone in the Big East, even better than Tyler Kolek. He was in an awful system to take advantage of his skillset and would be a much better fit in Marquette's offense.
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I do not understand the Armstrong fascination - he was 41% from field and 28% from 3 and is averaging close to 2 turnovers per 24 minutes and a 23% usage rate. Yes, he is an incredible athlete, but I struggle to see how he would be an upgrade to our current roster. Maybe I am missing something?
If MU wants to stick with a heavy PNR offense than he's easily the best fit available.
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I do not understand the Armstrong fascination - he was 41% from field and 28% from 3 and is averaging close to 2 turnovers per 24 minutes and a 23% usage rate. Yes, he is an incredible athlete, but I struggle to see how he would be an upgrade to our current roster. Maybe I am missing something?
one of the best pnr point guards
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Thank you all for the reply - that makes sense. I am just concerned with the 3 point percentage, but I do realize there is luck involved in that and how many truly open looks he had vs chucking something up guarded.
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Might help MU with Miletic: https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1774829079411167360
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You guys think Kolek and Oso forgo eligibility when they declare? Reason I ask is I doubt Shaka signs anyone during that period of limbo. If I recall correctly, I think Omax waited until near the end to make it official which may have tied Shaka’s hands somewhat during the last portal season. Could be way off and Shaka knew all along, but I think the sooner the better.
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Does anyone know anything about Danny Wolf, the 7 ft. Yale player who recently entered the transfer portal?? Has some impressive stats. From Glencoe, Illinois.
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I think Shaka has a thorough understanding of Tyler and Oso's intentions. And, considering they both went through the Senior Day ceremony, I think those intentions are quite clear to almost everyone.
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You guys think Kolek and Oso forgo eligibility when they declare? Reason I ask is I doubt Shaka signs anyone during that period of limbo. If I recall correctly, I think Omax waited until near the end to make it official which may have tied Shaka’s hands somewhat during the last portal season. Could be way off and Shaka knew all along, but I think the sooner the better.
I would think Oso will.
May 29th is the last day to withdraw from NBA draft and maintain college eligibility.
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You guys think Kolek and Oso forgo eligibility when they declare? Reason I ask is I doubt Shaka signs anyone during that period of limbo. If I recall correctly, I think Omax waited until near the end to make it official which may have tied Shaka’s hands somewhat during the last portal season. Could be way off and Shaka knew all along, but I think the sooner the better.
Shaka knows they are gone
Kam would be the one that could “tie his hands” and even then I think he’d be very consistently in the loop
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Shaka knows they are gone
Kam would be the one that could “tie his hands” and even then I think he’d be very consistently in the loop
Yeah, I guess what I was getting at is I wonder if it’s a disadvantage in recruiting transfers (ie: “We really want you, but only if our guy doesn’t come back”). Even if the intentions are well understood from our side.
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Yeah, I guess what I was getting at is I wonder if it’s a disadvantage in recruiting transfers (ie: “We really want you, but only if our guy doesn’t come back”). Even if the intentions are well understood from our side.
Yeah I think it could in cases.
I’m just saying in our case tho. If Shaka does want to hit the portal. He’s gonna do so knowing TK and Oso are gone and relay that.
For example Mark Armstrong. The pitch would be tyler is gone. You see him in our P n R?
If something crazy happens and someone changes their mind. Shaka will find room for TK or Oso
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One week in and here are some more BE players:
Sasa Ciani Xavier
Abou Ousmane Xavier ( that's their three big men). Freemantle next year? Hunter next year?
Rafael Castro. Providence
Donovan Santoro. Providence (That's three Providence guys so far)
Elijah Fisher Depaul. 4 star, #34 recruit in 2023. Big loss for them
Side note: Louisville had 7 players enter in one week, including top point guard Skyy Clark.
Above is from last week BE players. Two weeks in and was sort of a slow one. Except that to change this week after players meet with staff for year ending interviews.
Kam Craft, Xavier to Miami of Ohio
Logan Duncomb Xavier
Gytis Nemeiksa, Xavier
Reid Ducharme, Xavier
Lazar Dokouk, Xavier
Marcus Foster, Furman to Xavier Believe that was 7 Xavier players enter
Jaden Henley, Depaul
Caleb Murphy, Depaul
Churchill Abass, Depaul. Mass exodus from Depaul, but two in.
NJ Benson, Missouri St to Depaul
CJ Gunn, Indiana to Depaul
Johnathan Lawson, Creighton
Connor Turnbull, Butler
Two sidetones:
BJ Freeman from Milwaukee. Quite a player and Kentucky reached out first day. No clue as to MU interest
Omaha Biliew, Iowa State. Originally from Iowa, #11 ranked player from 2023. PF, guess he hardly played. Iowa State has had bunch of players enter.
No official on Seth Trimble yet.
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I'm keeping an eye on Seth Trimble. Rumors are out there.
https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/ZyavierR/status/1773706682603835688?t=P3_xk9C-VCKxZlOqgetEbw&s=19)
This guy has 77 followers and an AI generated avatar. Do not believe.
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Dain Dainja in the portal. Remember we were involved with HS recruitment prior went he committed to Baylor.
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Does Oso have another year of eligibility? I was assuming he didn’t. Regardless, he’s graduating and moving on. However, I would not be surprised if TK is thinking of running it back (no inside source).
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They gowne. Good luck in the Association, aina?
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Does Oso have another year of eligibility? I was assuming he didn’t. Regardless, he’s graduating and moving on. However, I would not be surprised if TK is thinking of running it back (no inside source).
They both have a COVID year if they so choose. Neither will.
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I seriously doubt that Tyler comes back with him being a projected first round pick.
But both of them have an additional year of eligibility due to the extra COVID years.
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I would be shocked if even either of them returned.
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I would not be surprised if TK is thinking of running it back (no inside source).
Why?
He's been All-American two times, All-Big East two times, Big East Player of the Year, Big East Tournament MVP, NCAA assist leader, won a Big East title, reached the Sweet 16. He's already accomplished more than the vast, vast majority of college players.
Plus, he's 23. Plus, he's showing up in most mock drafts, including the first round in many. Plus, it's a relatively weak draft. Plus, he probably wouldn't improve his draft stock by staying.
What would be his motivation to stay ... and more importantly, why would that be more motivating than wanting to prove himself against the best players in the world?
I get it - we'd all love another year of TK in a Marquette uniform. But it's not about us, darn it.
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Why?
He's been All-American two times, All-Big East two times, Big East Player of the Year, Big East Tournament MVP, NCAA assist leader, won a Big East title, reached the Sweet 16. He's already accomplished more than the vast, vast majority of college players.
Plus, he's 23. Plus, he's showing up in most mock drafts, including the first round in many. Plus, it's a relatively weak draft. Plus, he probably wouldn't improve his draft stock by staying.
What would be his motivation to stay ... and more importantly, why would that be more motivating than wanting to prove himself against the best players in the world?
I get it - we'd all love another year of TK in a Marquette uniform. But it's not about us, darn it.
He would come back due to the heartbreak of losing before the Final Four, knowing how easy it is to make the FF.
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Seems like Oso and Tyler were Freshman just a couple years ago...
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Seems like Oso and Tyler were Freshman just a couple years ago...
Oso was a freshman with Justin Lewis, Dexter Akanno and Dawson Garcia.
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Above is from last week BE players. Two weeks in and was sort of a slow one. Except that to change this week after players meet with staff for year ending interviews.
Kam Craft, Xavier to Miami of Ohio
Logan Duncomb Xavier
Gytis Nemeiksa, Xavier
Reid Ducharme, Xavier
Lazar Dokouk, Xavier
Marcus Foster, Furman to Xavier Believe that was 7 Xavier players enter
Jaden Henley, Depaul
Caleb Murphy, Depaul
Churchill Abass, Depaul. Mass exodus from Depaul, but two in.
NJ Benson, Missouri St to Depaul
CJ Gunn, Indiana to Depaul
Johnathan Lawson, Creighton
Connor Turnbull, Butler
Two sidetones:
BJ Freeman from Milwaukee. Quite a player and Kentucky reached out first day. No clue as to MU interest
Omaha Biliew, Iowa State. Originally from Iowa, #11 ranked player from 2023. PF, guess he hardly played. Iowa State has had bunch of players enter.
No official on Seth Trimble yet.
Kam Craft has been injured plagued . Nice pickup for Travis Steele of an old X recruit of his.
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Oso was a freshman with Justin Lewis, Dexter Akanno and Dawson Garcia.
Sorry. I'm still making jabs about this:
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2021-22
Marquette's ALL Freshman team. 2 years ago.
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Does anyone know anything about Danny Wolf, the 7 ft. Yale player who recently entered the transfer portal?? Has some impressive stats. From Glencoe, Illinois.
Rumored leader is Michigan and also is talking to Duke
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Why?
He's been All-American two times, All-Big East two times, Big East Player of the Year, Big East Tournament MVP, NCAA assist leader, won a Big East title, reached the Sweet 16. He's already accomplished more than the vast, vast majority of college players.
Plus, he's 23. Plus, he's showing up in most mock drafts, including the first round in many. Plus, it's a relatively weak draft. Plus, he probably wouldn't improve his draft stock by staying.
What would be his motivation to stay ... and more importantly, why would that be more motivating than wanting to prove himself against the best players in the world?
I get it - we'd all love another year of TK in a Marquette uniform. But it's not about us, darn it.
He’s kind of in the same position Jay Wright was before he retired from coaching. Absolutely nothing left to prove and nowhere to go but down. Even if TK brought home a national championship for MU next season, it wouldn’t improve his draft stock one iota. Hell, I’m not even sure MU making the FF this year would’ve mattered as far as this year’s draft.
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You guys think Kolek and Oso forgo eligibility when they declare? Reason I ask is I doubt Shaka signs anyone during that period of limbo. If I recall correctly, I think Omax waited until near the end to make it official which may have tied Shaka’s hands somewhat during the last portal season. Could be way off and Shaka knew all along, but I think the sooner the better.
Omax declared May 26, 2023 officially.
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If we could go into the transfer portal and get a Milwaukee-area kid who averaged 11 ppg for a Sweet 16 team, shooting 36% career from 3 including 40% in 2022-23, improving defensively as he gained experience, all while having the reputation as a great teammate, there would be a lot of excitement here.
But those are David Joplin's numbers, and several Scoopers have decided he's no good.
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Shiny new thing. D2 player fixes everything.
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If we could go into the transfer portal and get a Milwaukee-area kid who averaged 11 ppg for a Sweet 16 team, shooting 36% career from 3 including 40% in 2022-23, improving defensively as he gained experience, all while having the reputation as a great teammate, there would be a lot of excitement here.
But those are David Joplin's numbers, and several Scoopers have decided he's no good.
People being hot and cold with Joplin makes perfect sense. That is who he is as a player.
He was 5th best player on our team last year. He was a better defender than Kam and Gold, but that is pretty much it for the 7 contributors. He contributes more the "defensive box score" than he does the defense itself, pretty much the opposite of Oso. He gets defensive boards and blocks sure fine, but the overal team defense with him out their is less than ideal. His Adj. Team Def Efficency when on the court was 91.5, only Gold and the freshmen were worse. Whereas Oso is at 86.7. It doesn't help that he is the player in our starting lineup who is constantly being picked on for 1v1 situations. Look at how NC State was picking on him late in that game.
Offensivly, Joplin is a pretty frusturating player too. His personal, offensive efficency is really low at 101.9. The 4 other starters are at 117.2 or higher. It feels like every time he drives the ball it will be unsuccessful. Only Chase Ross shot a lower percentage inside the arc than joplin did among contributors, including sean. He is very inefficent for how well he shoots the ball from three and his height. He shoots it great from three though, so as a fan, you can simply see that he would be a better player as an exclusive spot up shooter. And so picturing his game next year without Kolek, it is understandable why people are even less enthused empowering him as a player.
Its clear to see the talent he has from a skill standpoint. However, it feels like year after year, the coaching doesn't fully take to him. He hasn't yet made the leap that it feels like is there for him to make. He feels like a player that should be a guy, but he just really isn't.
I expect him to improve minorly yet again, but I don't know if that will be enough for next years team to come close to sustaining the level they have been at the past two year. He doesn't feel like a top 3 player on a Big East contender.
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If we could go into the transfer portal and get a Milwaukee-area kid who averaged 11 ppg for a Sweet 16 team, shooting 36% career from 3 including 40% in 2022-23, improving defensively as he gained experience, all while having the reputation as a great teammate, there would be a lot of excitement here.
But those are David Joplin's numbers, and several Scoopers have decided he's no good.
What if we were to get a kid who was 8th on his team in TS%, 7th in eFG%, 8th in TRB%, 9th in Win-Shares per 40, 8th in ORtg and 6th in DRtg?
You'd probably say ... meh.
I've never been a Joplin basher, he is who he is, but I certainly understand the frustration he engenders.
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What if we were to get a kid who was 8th on his team in TS%, 7th in eFG%, 8th in TRB%, 9th in Win-Shares per 40, 8th in ORtg and 6th in DRtg?
You'd probably say ... meh.
I've never been a Joplin basher, he is who he is, but I certainly understand the frustration he engenders.
Yep. Inconsistent and not a great athlete.
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IMO, Joplin's ideal role is as a 6th man. He is too small to be a 4. He doesn't play with the power of someone like Crowder. He is not quick enough to be a 3. That said, he has a fairly unique talent to score in bunches, which is ideal for a 6th man. I give him a lot of credit for his improvement over the years.
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Joplin has developed into a decent defender. He's strong no doubt.
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What if we were to get a kid who was 8th on his team in TS%, 7th in eFG%, 8th in TRB%, 9th in Win-Shares per 40, 8th in ORtg and 6th in DRtg?
You'd probably say ... meh.
I've never been a Joplin basher, he is who he is, but I certainly understand the frustration he engenders.
Thanks for those advanced stats (and to jfp61, too).
And to answer your question ... folks would probably be fairly happy to get a player even with those metrics who could average 11 ppg while being a threat from 3. Because he'd be, as tower said, the shiny new thing.
I totally get the frustration with him at times. He has a good game, a bad game, a great game, two mediocre games, a bad game, a good game, etc, and that's tough to watch sometimes.
IMO, Joplin's ideal role is as a 6th man. He is too small to be a 4. He doesn't play with the power of someone like Crowder. He is not quick enough to be a 3. That said, he has a fairly unique talent to score in bunches, which is ideal for a 6th man. I give him a lot of credit for his improvement over the years.
I like this take, but I don't think he'll ever be a 6th man again at Marquette so it's moot.
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I like this take, but I don't think he'll ever be a 6th man again at Marquette so it's moot.
I agree, but one can dream.
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Is Hawkins from Illinois entering the portal or going pro?
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Is Hawkins from Illinois entering the portal or going pro?
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IMO, Joplin's ideal role is as a 6th man. He is too small to be a 4. He doesn't play with the power of someone like Crowder. He is not quick enough to be a 3. That said, he has a fairly unique talent to score in bunches, which is ideal for a 6th man. I give him a lot of credit for his improvement over the years.
Strange take.... he's too small to be a 4, fair. He's too slow to be a 3.... Fairish
But coming off the bench he plays a 3 or a 4, which changes nothing honestly.
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Is Hawkins from Illinois entering the portal or going pro?
He said he was hoping to go to "another level." I assume that means pro.
Fun fact: Hawkins scheduled an official visit to Marquette in September 2019, but it was canceled after Oso committed.
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Bullet dodged.
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Former recruit Carey Booth in portal. Potential big to look at. 3 years of eligibility.
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Bullet dodged.
Really??
I know he's had a penchant for some boneheaded plays, but he'd have looked a really nice next to Oso in the front court this year. Would have been an upgrade, tbh.
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Strange take.... he's too small to be a 4, fair. He's too slow to be a 3.... Fairish
But coming off the bench he plays a 3 or a 4, which changes nothing honestly.
I disagree. If you bring him into the game and he is hot, he can give the team a scoring lift. You are not relying on him to be the primary defender/rebounder at the 4 for the entire game. He also might be lining up against the opponent's rotational players. It won't happen, but I think it's a better role for him. He obviously excelled at it as a sophomore.
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Why are we defining players by traditional positions now? Players have roles and can be mixed and matched for all sorts of reasons.
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Former recruit Carey Booth in portal. Potential big to look at. 3 years of eligibility.
He's a big I'd be interested in.
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He's a big I'd be interested in.
Yes. Definite upside.
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Vlad Goldin from FAU into the portal.
Maybe the Top Transfer for some.
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Vlad Goldin from FAU into the portal.
Maybe the Top Transfer for some.
Welcome to Ann Arbor, Vlad.
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Vlad Goldin from FAU into the portal.
Maybe the Top Transfer for some.
Lot of good bigs in the portal for anyone looking to scoop one up.
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Assume for a second that TKo and Oso are not coming back. Assume for a second that everyone else IS returning. Therefore there is 1 (1) one uno scholarship available.
Choose carefully.
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Assume for a second that TKo and Oso are not coming back. Assume for a second that everyone else IS returning. Therefore there is 1 (1) one uno scholarship available.
Choose carefully.
Don't really get to choose, so you can be interested in a lot of different names. Shaka/staff will contact more than he has scholarships available.
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Shaka recruited Booth in the past, so there's an established relationship.
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Assume for a second that TKo and Oso are not coming back. Assume for a second that everyone else IS returning. Therefore there is 1 (1) one uno scholarship available.
Choose carefully.
When you have one available. (They could have 2 maybe)
Minutes are limited too. So your options are also limited.
Our collective won’t do anything stupid when we have so few holes to fill.
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Assume for a second that TKo and Oso are not coming back. Assume for a second that everyone else IS returning. Therefore there is 1 (1) one uno scholarship available.
Choose carefully.
I may be wrong, but I believe for the past 11 years, one player has left for perceived greener pastures.
Sidenote: Seems things picking up rapidly today.
I noticed Jaime Kaiser, 6ft 6 SG, Maryland has entered. He was a Top 60 recruit out of Virginia, who had big time offers due to his shooting abilities. He had a subpar shooting his freshman year, due to a horrible start, then turned it on. Didn't want to bring up since Kaiser had no MU offer, butt many BE offers, if some team wants a three point sniper, he is available.
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Dainja visiting Memphis today.
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Javian McCollum to the portal. Is the 94% free throw shooting enough to make up for the Moser stink that I'm sure he'll have?
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Javian McCollum to the portal. Is the 94% free throw shooting enough to make up for the Moser stink that I'm sure he'll have?
Not aircraft carrier enough ;D
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Glenn Taylor has decided to consider his options
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1775231636046553420?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Bronny in the portal?
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Bronny in the portal?
Apparently he's making 6 mill in NIL.
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Apparently he's making 6 mill in NIL.
pocket change, hey
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Who was the
One player who left for greener pastures? Drawing a blank
I may be wrong, but I believe for the past 11 years, one player has left for perceived greener pastures.
Sidenote: Seems things picking up rapidly today.
I noticed Jaime Kaiser, 6ft 6 SG, Maryland has entered. He was a Top 60 recruit out of Virginia, who had big time offers due to his shooting abilities. He had a subpar shooting his freshman year, due to a horrible start, then turned it on. Didn't want to bring up since Kaiser had no MU offer, butt many BE offers, if some team wants a three point sniper, he is available.
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Who was the
One player who left for greener pastures? Drawing a blank
For the past 11 years, at least one player, per year, has left the team.
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For the past 11 years, at least one player, per year, has left the team.
Who left last year?
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I thought he meant transferred to another school?
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Who left last year?
Keegan Itegere left for No. Kentucky.
Like I said, I believe it has been 11 straight years, an MU player has transferred out. Not to NBA, not to Europe, not to medical school.
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Thanks.
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Keegan Itegere left for No. Kentucky.
Like I said, I believe it has been 11 straight years, an MU player has transferred out. Not to NBA, not to Europe, not to medical school.
And Emarion Ellis left for Bradley, which he then left in January.
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Amoroso transferred to San Diego St. and Blankston to UNLV, aina?
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Do we have any interest in Dainja?
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Do we have any interest in Dainja?
Dainja!
Watch yaself
Show me whatcha workin’ with!!
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Do we have any interest in Dainja?
I’m just going to assume anyone visiting Memphis and leaving Illinois is chasing $$$.
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Who was the
One player who left for greener pastures? Drawing a blank
I suppose you could argue either Hauser at the time
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Garcia.
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https://x.com/theportalreport/status/1775339491688862072?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Here's the MU transfers out for past 16 years.
15 out of 16 years, to include the last 11 in a row, a player has transferred out.
What are the odds this year? A memory list......
22-23. Itegere, Ellis, Wrightsil
21-22 Elliott
20-21. Theo, Torrence, Akanno, Cain, Perez, Garcia
19-20. Bailey
18-19. Sam, Joey
17-18 Harry Froling
16-17. D. Wilson, Cheatham
15-16 Cohen, Carter, W. Ellenson
14-15. Steve Taylor
13-14. Dawson, Burton, Mayo
12-13. Jamal Ferguson
11-12. None
10-11. E. Williams, Jamail Jones
09-10. Maymon, Mbao
08-09. Hazel
07-08. Christopher, Mbakwe
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Bronny in the portal?
Fake tweet
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https://x.com/theportalreport/status/1775339491688862072?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
MU one of many schools to reach out to Oklahoma transfer John Hugley
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Amoroso transferred to San Diego St. and Blankston to UNLV, aina?
I still wish Blankston had been around for the 2003 Final Four.
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https://x.com/theportalreport/status/1775339491688862072?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
MU one of many schools to reach out to Oklahoma transfer John Hugley
His mom’s name is Marquette.
https://soonersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/john-hugley-iv/16302
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Here is the aircraft carrier - first legit D1 guy I have seen MU linked to:
https://twitter.com/ThePortalReport/status/1775339491688862072?t=3SOHuuenpENsNr52l89aaw&s=19
He's listed at 6 10 and 275lb on 24/7 sports.
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Here's the MU transfers out for past 16 years.
15 out of 16 years, to include the last 11 in a row, a player has transferred out.
What are the odds this year? A memory list......
22-23. Itegere, Ellis, Wrightsil
21-22 Elliott
20-21. Theo, Torrence, Akanno, Cain, Perez, Garcia
19-20. Bailey
18-19. Sam, Joey
17-18 Harry Froling
16-17. D. Wilson, Cheatham
15-16 Cohen, Carter, W. Ellenson
14-15. Steve Taylor
13-14. Dawson, Burton, Mayo
12-13. Jamal Ferguson
11-12. None
10-11. E. Williams, Jamail Jones
09-10. Maymon, Mbao
08-09. Hazel
07-08. Christopher, Mbakwe
Pretty sure Bailey turned pro, not a transfer.
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Here's the MU transfers out for past 16 years.
15 out of 16 years, to include the last 11 in a row, a player has transferred out.
What are the odds this year? A memory list......
22-23. Itegere, Ellis, Wrightsil
21-22 Elliott
20-21. Theo, Torrence, Akanno, Cain, Perez, Garcia
19-20. Bailey
18-19. Sam, Joey
17-18 Harry Froling
16-17. D. Wilson, Cheatham
15-16 Cohen, Carter, W. Ellenson
14-15. Steve Taylor
13-14. Dawson, Burton, Mayo
12-13. Jamal Ferguson
11-12. None
10-11. E. Williams, Jamail Jones
09-10. Maymon, Mbao
08-09. Hazel
07-08. Christopher, Mbakwe
Pretty sure Bailey turned pro, not a transfer.
Correct. Froling also didnt transfer, he went overseas.
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I still wish Blankston had been around for the 2003 Final Four.
Blankson instead of Townsend in that starting lineup? Yeah, that would’ve been great. Feel like we still get trounced by Kansas, though.
Dameon Mason was another guy who transferred, I think he went to LSU. I remember Homer calling him “ish” as in “Wade-ish”. That was a stretch, to say the least.
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Correct. Froling also didnt transfer, he went overseas.
He went home to Australia.
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Here's the MU transfers out for past 16 years.
15 out of 16 years, to include the last 11 in a row, a player has transferred out.
What are the odds this year? A memory list......
22-23. Itegere, Ellis, Wrightsil
21-22 Elliott
20-21. Theo, Torrence, Akanno, Cain, Perez, Garcia
19-20. Bailey
18-19. Sam, Joey
17-18 Harry Froling
16-17. D. Wilson, Cheatham
15-16 Cohen, Carter, W. Ellenson
14-15. Steve Taylor
13-14. Dawson, Burton, Mayo
12-13. Jamal Ferguson
11-12. None
10-11. E. Williams, Jamail Jones
09-10. Maymon, Mbao
08-09. Hazel
07-08. Christopher, Mbakwe
What I notice about this list is the real lack of guys that transferred out and had a major impact elsewhere. Most of them were transfers down.
Mbakwe had a good career at Minnesota, Burton did too (but there was family stuff there, so I don't blame him), and then there's the Hausers. Other than that, our transfers out have been a big nothing-burger.
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What I notice about this list is the real lack of guys that transferred out and had a major impact elsewhere. Most of them were transfers down.
Mbakwe had a good career at Minnesota, Burton did too (but there was family stuff there, so I don't blame him), and then there's the Hausers. Other than that, our transfers out have been a big nothing-burger.
Maymon had a nice run at Tennessee, and Christopherson averaged double figures for two seasons at Iowa State.
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https://x.com/theportalreport/status/1775339491688862072?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
MU one of many schools to reach out to Oklahoma transfer John Hugley
Once again, Shaka and the staff have a very good idea about what the roster is going to look like going into next season, as well as where the gaps might be to fill. Whether it is this young man, another one or even staying pat, I wholeheartedly trust them making the right decision.
That being said, a 6'10, 275 lb. post certainly looks like it is filling a void.
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What I notice about this list is the real lack of guys that transferred out and had a major impact elsewhere. Most of them were transfers down.
Mbakwe had a good career at Minnesota, Burton did too (but there was family stuff there, so I don't blame him), and then there's the Hausers. Other than that, our transfers out have been a big nothing-burger.
Jamal Cain was amazing at Oakland. Put up the kinds of numbers we hoped he could get to here.
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Jamal Cain was amazing at Oakland. Put up the kinds of numbers we hoped he could get to here.
Almost entirely because his usage increased. He was pretty much the same guy otherwise.
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Correct. Froling also didnt transfer, he went overseas.
So ... not 1 every year for 11 straight years.
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So ... not 1 every year for 11 straight years.
I think we are way below the average in transfers TBH
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So ... not 1 every year for 11 straight years.
Come on, give it up, so I made an error. I am just trying to help out here and you are being your usual self by complaining about other posters. I'll let you all be from now on in updates.
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Apparently Storr asked for 1 mil from Kansas and turned down their offer of 750k
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Apparently Storr asked for 1 mil from Kansas and turned down their offer of 750k
I have some magically beans I can sell you. $200 and they are yours
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Apparently Storr asked for 1 mil from Kansas and turned down their offer of 750k
Seems a little sus, given some of the numbers that have been reported for far better and well-known players.
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Why are we not talking to Bronny??????? It will be a complete failure if we don't get him.
signed - the guy who doesn't put obviously sarcastic quotes in teal.
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Seems a little sus, given some of the numbers that have been reported for far better and well-known players.
I had heard he wanted 900k when he entered the portal…….if somebody is stupid enough to pay him that’s on them……he isn’t that good……high volume not efficient….bad defense………yippee.
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Madison fans would never throw around fake numbers to make themselves look better.
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Madison fans would never throw around fake numbers to make themselves look better.
They would, but Storr has also made it pretty clear that he doesn't really care who the highest bidder is, he's just trying to max his $. I don't think he'll hit 7 figures, but asking for that (especially from Kansas) is not all that crazy of a starting point.
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They would, but Storr has also made it pretty clear that he doesn't really care who the highest bidder is, he's just trying to max his $. I don't think he'll hit 7 figures, but asking for that (especially from Kansas) is not all that crazy of a starting point.
Maybe, we'll see. But if he has always been looking for the bag, I find it hard to believe Madison was the biggest bag he could've got last year. I'm just always careful about taking what some Twitter users are throwing around as numbers a guy is getting or asking for as gospel.
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I had heard he wanted 900k when he entered the portal…….if somebody is stupid enough to pay him that’s on them……he isn’t that good……high volume not efficient….bad defense………yippee.
This. He was overrated on scoop. God bless whoever pays him and god bless himself for chasing bag
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Madison fans would never throw around fake numbers to make themselves look better.
Tom Oates making up random numbers regarding Marcus Domask last year. Domask laughed at him:
https://x.com/marcusdomask/status/1764693702285344918?s=46
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They would, but Storr has also made it pretty clear that he doesn't really care who the highest bidder is, he's just trying to max his $. I don't think he'll hit 7 figures, but asking for that (especially from Kansas) is not all that crazy of a starting point.
That 750k is fake too.
It is stupid to ask Kansas for 7 figures. Hunter Dickinson, an actual top 20 college basketball player, was given between 500k and 600k from Kansas last year.
In terms for college players, Kansas might have already found two better guards/wings in the form of Zeke Mayo and Riley Kugel.
The portal is a mess, but lets work with real numbers if we are gonna use them
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Boston College point guard Jaeden Zackery entered the portal today.
Local kid (Westosha Central) started 100 of 102 games in three seasons -- 11.3 ppg, 4.2 assists, 3.3 reb, 1.8 steals this season.
Steady player, solid defensively, great kid.
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Tom Oates making up random numbers regarding Marcus Domask last year. Domask laughed at him:
https://x.com/marcusdomask/status/1764693702285344918?s=46
Oates has a history of being completely full of excrement.
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That 750k is fake too.
It is stupid to ask Kansas for 7 figures. Hunter Dickinson, an actual top 20 college basketball player, was given between 500k and 600k from Kansas last year.
In terms for college players, Kansas might have already found two better guards/wings in the form of Zeke Mayo and Riley Kugel.
The portal is a mess, but lets work with real numbers if we are gonna use them
Why is it stupid to start a negotiation by asking for more than you know you're going to end up with?
Mayo, maybe. Kugel, absolutely not.
What numbers did I use other than throwing out a number that Storr won't get?
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Will be interesting to see what kind of bag Maxime Raynaud of Stanford receives in this process. Proven 7 footers don’t grow on trees .
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They would, but Storr has also made it pretty clear that he doesn't really care who the highest bidder is, he's just trying to max his $. I don't think he'll hit 7 figures, but asking for that (especially from Kansas) is not all that crazy of a starting point.
Borderline libelous if not true
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Why is it stupid to start a negotiation by asking for more than you know you're going to end up with?
Mayo, maybe. Kugel, absolutely not.
What numbers did I use other than throwing out a number that Storr won't get?
Wasn't directed at you. I was directing that part of what i was saying more at the world.
With Kugel, you kinda need to take a two year look at him. As a freshmen he shot better at a higher usage. Nearly 55% TS. Also I like Florida/Kugel's defense a fair bit. He is the best defender of these three.
Kansas probably brought Mayo and Kugel in for less than that 750k number.
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Jamal Cain was amazing at Oakland. Put up the kinds of numbers we hoped he could get to here.
crazy, hey? Good enough for the Miami Heat but couldn’t see time for Woj.
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CBS Sports top Players in Transfer Portal
Would love to see MU re-engage with Darlinstone Dubar
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-portal-2024-johnell-davis-vladislav-goldin-lead-top-50-players-available/amp/
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Hermie gunning for an all-transfer team at MU next season.
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Hermie's just trolling. Wait until the next coach's opening when he incessantly pushes for Stan Johnson.
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Boston College point guard Jaeden Zackery entered the portal today.
Local kid (Westosha Central) started 100 of 102 games in three seasons -- 11.3 ppg, 4.2 assists, 3.3 reb, 1.8 steals this season.
Steady player, solid defensively, great kid.
This is the kind of player I'd like Shaka to target.
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https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1775592368642646039?s=20
Forgot about Dexter. Looks like he developed into a solid rotation player at Oregon State.
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https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1775592368642646039?s=20
Forgot about Dexter. Looks like he developed into a solid rotation player at Oregon State.
He still has eligibility? Wow
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He still has eligibility? Wow
Redshirted his first year at MU and gets a COVID year.
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Hermie gunning for an all-transfer team at MU next season.
Just a 5 a 3 and a 1 8-)
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Could be a fun one.
Shaka already got Wrightsil who was NAIA PoY. This guy looks to be exactly what we need at 6'10"...probably 280-300 lbs. Big dude.
https://twitter.com/PDTScouting/status/1775302582212137080?t=5ruC6sBn4HbfOyeSkYaIsQ&s=19
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GE …
I like the above ^ possibility… tho
playing NAIA at “ Grace “ is probably the equivalent of playing v. Nicolet or
Thomas More :-*
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Could be a fun one.
Shaka already got Wrightsil who was NAIA PoY. This guy looks to be exactly what we need at 6'10"...probably 280-300 lbs. Big dude.
https://twitter.com/PDTScouting/status/1775302582212137080?t=5ruC6sBn4HbfOyeSkYaIsQ&s=19
Weightsil killed it at both MU and whatever low major he ended up at. This is a must get.
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Weightsil killed it at both MU and whatever low major he ended up at. This is a must get.
Did Wrightsil even play 10 minutes at Marquette? That's a real question. He had some major injuries.
This guy is like 300 pounds.
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Eddie Lampkin to Syracuse.
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Eddie Lampkin to Syracuse.
Wonder how much he got
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I still think that with TK almost assuredly going pro, and Sean Jones, possibly out to January or later grabbing a PG would be a good idea.
If I'm choosing:
1. Malik Mack: Very good shooter, good passer, 3-years of eligibility.
edit. Just saw my favorite choice, Dug McDaniel is going to Kansas State.
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Dug McDaniel signed with Kansas St
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Not sure why some team wouldn't go into the millions for Storr. It's not often you can pay a king's ransom for a bad shooter who led his team to a double-digit first-round loss to a Sun Belt team.
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Dug McDaniel signed with Kansas St
Thanks, saw that like 2 minutes after I posted. The website I was looking at hadn't been updated since he signed. I think he could have been a good fit.
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Thanks, saw that like 2 minutes after I posted. The website I was looking at hadn't been updated since he signed. I think he could have been a good fit.
He sucks
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Did Wrightsil even play 10 minutes at Marquette? That's a real question. He had some major injuries.
This guy is like 300 pounds.
Both of the "successful" NAIA transfers to D1 last year were at low/mid majors (Morehead State and Wyoming). Thats probably the ideal level for this guy.
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Mady Sissoko, Mich St entering portal
https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/article/college-basketball-transfer-portal-mady-sissoko-michigan-state-229421410/
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Koby Johnson to UCLA
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Koby Johnson to UCLA
I guess he liked the weather in LA
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McDaniel was suspended for a bit this season at Michigan due to "Academic" concerns.
All we need is a guy that actually can't read. Although he was enrolled in the College of Literature in Ann Arbor.
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Not sure why some team wouldn't go into the millions for Storr. It's not often you can pay a king's ransom for a bad shooter who led his team to a double-digit first-round loss to a Sun Belt team.
requesting permission to use this. A perfect shot across the enemy bow!
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Christian Reeves, from Duke, might be worth a look if Shaka is looking for a 5. Kind of a project but 3 years of eligibility and 7’1”.
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Boston College point guard Jaeden Zackery entered the portal today.
Local kid (Westosha Central) started 100 of 102 games in three seasons -- 11.3 ppg, 4.2 assists, 3.3 reb, 1.8 steals this season.
Steady player, solid defensively, great kid.
Nice! I coach boys soccer at Westosha Central...
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I am assuming Avila from ISU will be entering the portal.
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I am assuming Avila from ISU will be entering the portal.
And following his coach to SLU.
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I would think he would aim higher
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I would think he would aim higher
Pal, if you think there is something higher than SLU, I have some news for you that I will breakup into 46 paragraphs
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Mady Sissoko, Mich St entering portal
https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/article/college-basketball-transfer-portal-mady-sissoko-michigan-state-229421410/
Hands of stone and never developed over his four years at MSU. High character kid who would fit the MU culture if Shaka is interested. On the plus side, since he's an international he wouldn't require NIL.
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Hands of stone and never developed over his four years at MSU. High character kid who would fit the MU culture if Shaka is interested. On the plus side, since he's an international he wouldn't require NIL.
International players can receive NIL via passive income. See Edey, Gold,Tshiebwe, erc
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Speculation on ESPN that Bronny might go to Duquesne. Might be a good move considering where his game is at. Very impressive that he returned to the court. Mid-major program could give him the space to develop his game then transfer or go to the NBA.
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Speculation on ESPN that Bronny might go to Duquesne. Might be a good move considering where his game is at. Very impressive that he returned to the court. Mid-major program could give him the space to develop his game then transfer or go to the NBA.
More detail on Duquesne concept
https://nypost.com/2024/04/05/sports/bronny-james-declares-for-nba-draft-enters-transfer-portal/amp/
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More detail on Duquesne concept
https://nypost.com/2024/04/05/sports/bronny-james-declares-for-nba-draft-enters-transfer-portal/amp/
There wasn’t any detail in that article. But mindless dolts might like it
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Hands of stone and never developed over his four years at MSU. High character kid who would fit the MU culture if Shaka is interested. On the plus side, since he's an international he wouldn't require NIL.
There are plenty of ways for international players to earn NIL. You just have to be creative. Gold it's getting plenty of NIL
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There are plenty of ways for international players to earn NIL. You just have to be creative. Gold it's getting plenty of NIL
You’d have to worry about the NCAA dropping the hammer
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TAMU
I think it is time for Ben Gold to get a nice raise!!!
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Brick Gold will be transferring to Madison to be with Kirk Penney
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There are plenty of ways for international players to earn NIL. You just have to be creative. Gold it's getting plenty of NIL
Is he getting paid in gold bricks?
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Is he getting paid in gold bricks?
Safer than cryptocurrency!
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So what do you think is a good year in points and rebounds for Ben next year?
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12-6
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Recruiting dead period April 4 through April 11 at noon
Dead period: During the dead period, coaches may not have any in-person contact with recruits and/or their parents. But communication is still allowed to occur via phone, email and social media/other digital communication channels.
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Recruiting dead period April 4 through April 11 at noon
Dead period: During the dead period, coaches may not have any in-person contact with recruits and/or their parents. But communication is still allowed to occur via phone, email and social media/other digital communication channels.
I believe that is for high school recruits not transfers
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I believe that is for high school recruits not transfers
I'd be surprised if the portal athletes aren't included in this dead period. The time around the Final 4 has always been a dead period as it's kind of a convention for college coaches to gather, so visits and in person contact has not happened during this weekend extending through the next week.
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I believe that is for high school recruits not transfers
Here is the full year Calendar. It doesn't distinguish type of recruit. Coaches have their convention around the final four so it makes sense to have a dead period of on campus visits.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/recruiting/calendar/2023-24/2023-24D1Rec_MBBRecruitingCalendar.pdf
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I gotta go with Herman on this. I mean, who knows more about dead periods!?!
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The dead period does indeed apply to transfers.
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Milwaukee's own, Leon Bond, enters portal. Was offered by MU in '21 before going to Virginia.
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Milwaukee's own, Leon Bond, enters portal. Was offered by MU in '21 before going to Virginia.
Pass
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Good kid, willing defender. I just don't think there's room for a wing that is a total non-shooter.
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The dead period does indeed apply to transfers.
What makes one think coaches / teams that tamper during the season will honor "dead periods?"
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What makes one think coaches / teams that tamper during the season will honor "dead periods?"
Dead period only applies to in person contact. Can still contact via phone, email, social media and other digital channels.
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Milwaukee's own, Leon Bond, enters portal. Was offered by MU in '21 before going to Virginia.
UWM would be perfect
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International players can receive NIL via passive income. See Edey, Gold,Tshiebwe, erc
Not the same as having to promise the dude $500k if he comes to your school or the kid making an AJ Storr like demand. Sissoko had to forego the monthly payment Mat Ishbia was paying the rest of the team to post about using his company as a mortgage broker.
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Dead period only applies to in person contact. Can still contact via phone, email, social media and other digital channels.
Mediums in Herm’s case.
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Not the same as having to promise the dude $500k if he comes to your school or the kid making an AJ Storr like demand. Sissoko had to forego the monthly payment Mat Ishbia was paying the rest of the team to post about using his company as a mortgage broker.
You stated he wouldnt require NIL. He will go to a school thatgives him the best NIL package,even though it is passive income.
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UWM would be perfect
mid-major talent. High D-1 miss?
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Butler's Finley Bizjack enters the portal.
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Butler's Finley Bizjack enters the portal.
Will be very curious to see where he goes; lateral or down a level. He played his best game v. MU, but showed flashes otherwise and I would think there was a role for him there with DJ Davis leaving.
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thought that was Butlers best prospect going forward...havent been impressed with Thad at Butler so far..still early but i don't see them being a contender next year seems like they have constant roster turnover
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thought that was Butlers best prospect going forward...havent been impressed with Thad at Butler so far..still early but i don't see them being a contender next year seems like they have constant roster turnover
Yeah he wasn't all that great at the end of his OSU tenure, and doesn't look like he's getting much traction his second go around at Butler either. The last deep run he's had in the NCAA was over a decade ago.
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thought that was Butlers best prospect going forward...havent been impressed with Thad at Butler so far..still early but i don't see them being a contender next year seems like they have constant roster turnover
They also played really dumb basketball last year. They weren’t well-coached at all. Had to be maddening as a Butler fan watching a team with seemingly no sense of direction
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Yeah he wasn't all that great at the end of his OSU tenure, and doesn't look like he's getting much traction his second go around at Butler either. The last deep run he's had in the NCAA was over a decade ago.
Except he had enough Traction to beat MU on The Road this season and a strong K State team last season, so not like he has lost his coaching chops
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Eh. Wojo won games here and there. That doesn’t mean anything.
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Yeah he wasn't all that great at the end of his OSU tenure, and doesn't look like he's getting much traction his second go around at Butler either. The last deep run he's had in the NCAA was over a decade ago.
Sounds familiar.
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Eh. Wojo won games here and there. That doesn’t mean anything.
It was enough for some MU fans. (See Dodds.) Maybe it’s enough for Butler fans.
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Sounds familiar.
No idea why.
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It was enough for some MU fans. (See Dodds.) Maybe it’s enough for Butler fans.
Matta has a low ceiling at this point in his career and a bottomless floor. If it’s Butler goal to be ok, maybe good a year here and there, he’s fine. The idea he’s some master tactician is laughable. If he were, Butler wouldn’t be so inconsistent on the floor. And they’d be a tournament team.
Butler has to decide if they want to be Creighton and contend for league titles and Final 4’s or what they are now.
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Butler is eventually going to run out of quality coaches from in the Butler family. Maybe they already have.
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Expanding on that, how many 'excellent' coaches are actually out there?
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These coaching moves should also shake up the portal a little.
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Curious to see how Kentucky fills the Coach Cal seat, that would seem to be a tough one :D
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Curious to see how Kentucky fills the Coach Cal seat, that would seem to be a tough one :D
Current names being floated are Donovan, Drew, Oats, Pearl, Hurley and Pitino.
I predict it will be Oats. UK will easily pay for the $18 million buyout at Alabama, and Alabama can hire Wade. Everyone in the SEC win$.
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Curious to see how Kentucky fills the Coach Cal seat, that would seem to be a tough one :D
Jesus told Scott Drew to take the Kentucky job
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Current names being floated are Donovan, Drew, Oats, Pearl, Hurley and Pitino.
I predict it will be Oats. UK will easily pay for the $18 million buyout at Alabama, and Alabama can hire Wade. Everyone in the SEC win$.
I don't see Hurley or Pitino going there for completely different reason. Plus it would be a step down from the Big East :D
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Current names being floated are Donovan, Drew, Oats, Pearl, Hurley and Pitino.
I predict it will be Oats. UK will easily pay for the $18 million buyout at Alabama, and Alabama can hire Wade. Everyone in the SEC win$.
UK fans/boosters would never accept it, so its moot, but is it insane to say that if I were an AD anywhere I would rather hire Wade than Oats?
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UK fans/boosters would never accept it, so its moot, but is it insane to say that if I were an AD anywhere I would rather hire Wade than Oats?
Because Wade is less of a POS than Oats? Not insane. But Oats is a way better basketball coach. You'd be taking a shot on a Final Four coach with Oats, who has won everywhere he's been. And won quickly.
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Because Wade is less of a POS than Oats? Not insane. But Oats is a way better basketball coach. You'd be taking a shot on a Final Four coach with Oats, who has won everywhere he's been. And won quickly.
Trilly saying Oats is out: https://twitter.com/BarstoolUK/status/1777344019820945475
Wade still has 2 years on his no show clause, so he is out to.
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If Drew were to say yes, Kentucky would take him. Same with Oates. Calipari leaving for Arkansas is a gut punch and Kentucky needs to save face.
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Oats is making $5 million a year...he gets along great with the athletic director...just made the final four...his wife is from Jackson, Mississippi.
It doesn't surprise me in the least that he isn't interested in UK.
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If Drew were to say yes, Kentucky would take him. Same with Oates. Calipari leaving for Arkansas is a gut punch and Kentucky needs to save face.
I'm not so sure. I think both sides were kind of ready for this.
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It sounds to be Arkansas new this was going to happen weeks ago. I mean Musselman took them to two E8's, correct? They essentially forced him out because they felt Calapari was a lock seems plausible.
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It sounds to be Arkansas new this was going to happen weeks ago. I mean Musselman took them to two E8's, correct? They essentially forced him out because they felt Calapari was a lock seems plausible.
Then why did they offer the job to Beard?
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Typical Scoop.
Full page and a half in the TRANSFER PORTAL thread about COACHING CHANGES, when there is a separate thread for that.
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Typical Scoop.
Full page and a half in the TRANSFER PORTAL thread about COACHING CHANGES, when there is a separate thread for that.
To be fair, that’s the transgender thread now
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Then why did they offer the job to Beard?
I'm not sure I believe the earlier reports.
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To be fair, no transfer portal news has had more than a tertiary tie to MU.
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To be fair, that’s the transgender thread now
Exactly.....I posted here because I was curious to see how this affected transfers, Coaching Change post doesn't discuss at all
#He/Him/SorryIPostedWrong
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To be fair, that’s the transgender thread now
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/056beddbbd3165f95861d9c263976b52/tenor.gif?itemid=9011974)
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To be fair, no transfer portal news has had more than a tertiary tie to MU.
To be fair, I don't care. Topic Thread, Transfer portal. Please tell me I was wrong.
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To be fair, no transfer portal news has had more than a tertiary tie to MU.
In all fairness, it could be said that a transgender is transferring to the other team… Amirite?
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Speaking of transfers, how about Boogie Fland to Marquette?
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Ballo anyone?
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Speaking of transfers, how about Boogie Fland to Marquette?
Ballo anyone?
Yes. Marquette and every other program in the country would like either of those.
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Ballo anyone?
you got 700k burning a hole in your pocket?
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you got 700k burning a hole in your pocket?
I've got some Arby's coupons. Will that work? 8-)
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you got 700k burning a hole in your pocket?
I think Marquette could definitely get him to that number.
Shaka has said many times he won't recruit over his guys and doesn't want to make a players relationship transactional though...so any player that is looking for a bag of cash is an immediate non fit here.
I recall Shaka saying at one point players were reaching out asking what Marquette could offer and that was an immediate sign for Marquette to go a different route.
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Ballo anyone?
Yes, please. What and who do I need to liquidate? :)
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Yes, please. What and who do I need to liquidate? :)
Shaka
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Ballo anyone?
Maybe Dylan Anderson from Arizona would be more realistic.
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I think Marquette could definitely get him to that number.
Shaka has said many times he won't recruit over his guys and doesn't want to make a players relationship transactional though...so any player 8-)that is looking for a bag of cash is an immediate non fit here.
I recall Shaka saying at one point players were reaching out asking what Marquette could offer and that was an immediate sign for Marquette to go a different route.
This is great I hope we can get some great transfers pitching family and culture, while other schools offer double or triple the money.
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This is great I hope we can get some great transfers pitching family and culture, while other schools offer double or triple the money.
You might want to come to terms with Shaka’s stated approach until he shows any willingness to pivot from it.
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You might want to come to terms with Shaka’s stated approach until he shows any willingness to pivot from it.
The continuity, keeping players in the system, has paid dividends for MU. Better D and better O each year. Shaka has no reason to change his approach.
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That’s fine but adding a piece here or there like UConn and Purdue helps
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This is great I hope we can get some great transfers pitching family and culture, while other schools offer double or triple the money.
I don't how else to say it...we will never get huge transfers...Kolek, OMax, and Morsell were to get the program jumpstarted. Assuming Shaka's retention strategy continues to work...the portal just won't be used.
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I don't how else to say it...we will never get huge transfers...Kolek, OMax, and Morsell were to get the program jumpstarted. Assuming Shaka's retention strategy continues to work...the portal just won't be used.
It'll be used, just not as often or in the manner that scoopers want
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You might want to come to terms with Shaka’s stated approach until he shows any willingness to pivot from it.
COSE
* Cult Of Shaka Expectations
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I don't how else to say it...we will never get huge transfers...Kolek, OMax, and Morsell were to get the program jumpstarted. Assuming Shaka's retention strategy continues to work...the portal just won't be used.
#FakeNews #Lies
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Couple additions to the portal:
Robbie Avila (aka Cream Abdul-Jabbar)
Indiana State
Mark Mitchell
Duke
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Add another:
Kylan Boswell
Arizona
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Add another:
Kylan Boswell
Arizona
This is one I hope Shaka makes contact with. 2 years to play so the strategy would have to be Sean red-shirts next year and then doesn't take the starting spot until he's a SR. Not sure how that dynamic would go over so as not to rock the boat (also would likely mean that Chase doesn't start), and don't know what kinda bag he's looking for.
I also have no inside info on if that would be the plan for Sean, 100% speculation on my part, just think Boswell would be a good add.
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This is one I hope Shaka makes contact with. 2 years to play so the strategy would have to be Sean red-shirts next year and then doesn't take the starting spot until he's a SR. Not sure how that dynamic would go over so as not to rock the boat (also would likely mean that Chase doesn't start), and don't know what kinda bag he's looking for.
I also have no inside info on if that would be the plan for Sean, 100% speculation on my part, just think Boswell would be a good add.
He’s going to Illinois
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Seth Trimble in the portal.
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Seth Trimble in the portal.
Pass
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Trimble makes a lot of sense here as an additional ballhandler to help Kam and Norman next year. Really strong on ball, pressure defender too.
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Trimble makes a lot of sense here as an additional ballhandler to help Kam and Norman next year. Really strong on ball, pressure defender too.
On a basketball level I'm with you. Whether his parents can play nice is a larger question.
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On a basketball level I'm with you. Whether his parents can play nice is a larger question.
Yeah, I decided to ignore that part for now haha. Thats certainly another factor the staff would have to figure out.
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It'll be used, just not as often or in the manner that scoopers want
I don't know what it will take for scoopers to get this message.
Love it or hate it, Shaka's system doesn't revolve around the portal and any use of it would have to be done in a way to not upset the development/relationship culture he's built. That's a tall task; I'd expect transfers in to be rare and generally in an outside-the-box way. Time for people to accept that idea. If not, maybe we ask the mods to up their scoop subscription price by at least 3x.
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I don't know what it will take for scoopers to get this message.
Love it or hate it, Shaka's system doesn't revolve around the portal and any use of it would have to be done in a way to not upset the development/relationship culture he's built. That's a tall task; I'd expect transfers in to be rare and generally in an outside-the-box way. Time for people to accept that idea. If not, maybe we ask the mods to up their scoop subscription price by at least 3x.
Agree with you. That being said, do you expect a big man transfer this cycle to supplement Caedin and BG? To me, this is one of those rare times.
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Trimble looks good in transition, which would've helped this year's team a ton. Really solid defender. A defensive backcourt of Stevie, Seth, and Chase would be fun to watch when Kam is on the bench. If he can be a lead guard, then definitely yes. If not, there's probably better fits out there. But I certainly wouldn't hate it.
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I don't see a guard who is leaving his current team looking for a bigger role coming to MU where the guard spots are pretty much locked down. Unless you want to call him a wing, and then he takes Chase's (presumably) spot in next year's starting line up.
He might be a fit skills wise, but he's not a fit from his perspective of what he wants (bigger role) it wouldn't seem.
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Has Ramsey entered the portal yet?
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I don't how else to say it...we will never get huge transfers...Kolek, OMax, and Morsell were to get the program jumpstarted. Assuming Shaka's retention strategy continues to work...the portal just won't be used.
You’re wrong
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Has Ramsey entered the portal yet?
Hasn't gotten his head out of his ass yet
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Yeah, I decided to ignore that part for now haha. Thats certainly another factor the staff would have to figure out.
What’s the story with his parents?
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What’s the story with his parents?
No inside info, but his mom has been very vocal on Twitter about his lack of playing time
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No inside info, but his mom has been very vocal on Twitter about his lack of playing time
This, and they were known to be high maintenance with JP as well.
We've seen what a set of hyper-vocal parents can do to a team's chemistry. Now, I think Shaka is better equipped to deal with that than Wojo was, but still something to keep an eye on.
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Pass on Trimble, IMO.
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Pass on Trimble, IMO.
If Shaka would decide to hit the portal, Hugley makes more sense to me than a PG. He would give MU some power to bang inside and give Hamilton someone to learn from for another year. Of course, I am higher on Norman (and Lowery) than some on the board. We'll see how it shakes out, but I really do not worry too much about the roster under Shaka.
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If Shaka would decide to hit the portal, Hugley makes more sense to me than a PG. He would give MU some power to bang inside and give Hamilton someone to learn from for another year. Of course, I am higher on Norman (and Lowery) than some on the board. We'll see how it shakes out, but I really do not worry too much about the roster under Shaka.
Hoping Tre can be that PG, which I feel greatly benefits Kam. I agree with you that more on the front line would be good.
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Pass on Trimble, IMO.
I'd rather see us raid the A10 / Mo Valley (like with Kolek) than be somebody's grass is greener. Kids leaving UNC / Arizona etc --- scare me. I'll trust Shaka but I do have a little bit of old man in me that sees these guys as quitters.
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I'd rather see us raid the A10 / Mo Valley (like with Kolek) than be somebody's grass is greener. Kids leaving UNC / Arizona etc --- scare me. I'll trust Shaka but I do have a little bit of old man in me that sees these guys as quitters.
Aren't we someone's grass is greener if they're moving up? And aren't they quitting their other team too?
What level of program does a player go from a quitter to looking for a better opportunity?
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I'd rather see us raid the A10 / Mo Valley (like with Kolek) than be somebody's grass is greener. Kids leaving UNC / Arizona etc --- scare me. I'll trust Shaka but I do have a little bit of old man in me that sees these guys as quitters.
I am sure there are plenty of examples proving my feelings wrong, but to me lateral moves are not my favorite. I would rather see one who has blown up on the lower level. I know as I type this Omax came from Clemson.
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I am sure there are plenty of examples proving my feelings wrong, but to me lateral moves are not my favorite. I would rather see one who has blown up on the lower level. I know as I type this Omax came from Clemson.
Like any transfer it comes down to why and what are they looking for. I’d take Morsell, Carlino and Omax again. I’m sure you wouldn’t turn Bryce Hopkins or Larry Bird down.
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Like any transfer it comes down to why and what are they looking for. I’d take Morsell, Carlino and Omax again. I’m sure you wouldn’t turn Mike Hopkins or Larry Bird down.
I hope Shaka would turn Larry down...he's 67 years old!
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I hope Shaka would turn Larry down...he's 67 years old!
And can't catch the Allstate Mayhem guy in his attic.
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I hope Shaka would turn Larry down...he's 67 years old!
And you're fine with Mike Hopkins at 54? Get old and stay old.
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The Lens
I agree. There are a lot of very good players that most fans, me included, have not seen play because of a lower conference, but they definitely can play at a very high level. That might be the one silver lining of the portal, that unknown kids can make mark at a bigger spot than their original school.
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https://twitter.com/NovaStarting5/status/1778110129176539508
Armstrong declared for draft. Unknown if he will maintain his eligibility or enter the portal.
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https://twitter.com/NovaStarting5/status/1778110129176539508
Armstrong declared for draft. Unknown if he will maintain his eligibility or enter the portal.
I would take him in a heartbeat.
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I would take him in a heartbeat.
He’s got the athleticism and talent, but it would take Shaka a while to exorcise two years of Kyle Neptune’s coaching…
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He’s got the athleticism and talent, but it would take Shaka a while to exorcise two years of Kyle Neptune’s coaching…
Not really
Armstrong was elite in PnR. Shaka unlike Neptune would just continue to run it over and over.
Guy would be living his best life in two days
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Brendan Hausen from Nova in the portal. Would absolutely take him to better out outside shooting if we have any transfers out and/or Kam enters the draft
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Brendan Hausen from Nova in the portal. Would absolutely take him to better out outside shooting if we have any transfers out and/or Kam enters the draft
Poor man's Rowsey, including porous defense which I don't think would fly with Shaka.
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Brendan Hausen from Nova in the portal. Would absolutely take him to better out outside shooting if we have any transfers out and/or Kam enters the draft
Word on the internet is he is going to UConn
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Word on the internet is he is going to UConn
Correct. The Calcaterra -> Spencer -> Hausen pipeline. Hurley likes his whities that can shoot
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Word on the internet is he is going to UConn
He is certainly not Cam Spencer.
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He is certainly not Cam Spencer.
100% on that
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Hopefully Hurley connects with TSmith before he offers the bag of money.
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Poor man's Rowsey, including porous defense which I don't think would fly with Shaka.
I think he was a freshman. The kind of player that can be developed.
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I think he was a freshman. The kind of player that can be developed.
He was a sophomore.
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Word on the internet is he is going to UConn
Could have sworn I saw a video of Hurley talking about the Portal and Shaka and was effusive of his praise that Shaka was one (like him) who did not try to poach players within the conference. Wouls surprise me if he went to Uconn.
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Ballo anyone?
Smart money is on UConn.
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He is certainly not Cam Spencer.
Yep, primarily a catch and shoot guy. But, he certainly is a weapon!
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So Oso declares yesterday, Tyler declares today, the banquet is tonight. I would think all this means that end of season meetings have concluded and any departures via the transfer portal would be made public by the end of the week.
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So Oso declares yesterday, Tyler declares today, the banquet is tonight. I would think all this means that end of season meetings have concluded and any departures via the transfer portal would be made public by the end of the week.
One a day means Kam Jones tomorrow.
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One a day means Kam Jones tomorrow.
Bite your tongue.
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He is certainly not Cam Spencer.
Cam Spencer wasn’t Cam Spencer until Hurley got his hands on him.
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Cam Spencer wasn’t Cam Spencer until Hurley got his hands on him.
Spencer at Rutgers was a lot closer to Spencer at UConn than Hausen is to Spencer anywhere……..
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Spencer at Rutgers was a lot closer to Spencer at UConn than Hausen is to Spencer anywhere……..
Not really true, Spencer was one of the worst defenders in the country well at Rutgers. He went from the 160th best transfer to finishing as the best.
You could easily argue the opposite of what you said.
(Hausen won’t have a Clingan behind him so the point is pretty moot)
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Cam Spencer wasn’t Cam Spencer until Hurley got his hands on him.
He averaged 13 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, and shot 43% from 3 in the Big Ten. He got a year older and got a little better as a 5th year senior than he was as a 4th year senior. He was WAY better as a senior at Rutgers than Hausen was at Villanova this year.
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One a day means Kam Jones tomorrow.
Please no....
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Former Wojo commit from 2021 - https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1778463184770269543
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Former Wojo commit from 2021 - https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1778463184770269543
I'l dont hate it. Also checks the "Shaka had a relationship" box too.
Still feel guard is our need but Aidoo would be a huge addition
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I'l dont hate it. Also checks the "Shaka had a relationship" box too.
Still feel guard is our need but Aidoo would be a huge addition
He has a solid jumpshot too. Would be awesome.
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Providence picked up their Air Craft Carrier for the next few years, 7'0" 285 lb from St Joes.
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I'l dont hate it. Also checks the "Shaka had a relationship" box too.
Still feel guard is our need but Aidoo would be a huge addition
Shaka's relationship was what exactly? He decommited pretty much the same time Shaka was hired.
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Aidoo's relationship was with Gainey. MU had very little chance of keeping him unless Justin stayed on staff.
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Aidoo's relationship was with Gainey. MU had very little chance of keeping him unless Justin stayed on staff.
Yup. He'd be an awesome pickup, but I would be shocked if he came here.
He has a solid jumpshot too. Would be awesome.
No he doesn't. His shot is horrible.
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Feel like Aidoo will fill in so nicely with our team but can’t see him coming here. Guessing somewhere with more NIL $
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Yup. He'd be an awesome pickup, but I would be shocked if he came here.
No he doesn't. His shot is horrible.
He has a nice jumpshot.
https://youtu.be/Fv-tYqwi8to?si=9HU2Ck3v6dS3fmCV
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He has a nice jumpshot.
https://youtu.be/Fv-tYqwi8to?si=9HU2Ck3v6dS3fmCV
Those 17' jumpers send a chill down my spine.
Enjoy at the rim though!
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He has a nice jumpshot.
https://youtu.be/Fv-tYqwi8to?si=9HU2Ck3v6dS3fmCV
Where would you say jump shots inside the arc rank in importance to Shaka?
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Where would you say jump shots inside the arc rank in importance to Shaka?
Depends who is taking them. He had no problem with Oso taking push shots from up to 17 feet. I'd rather a true jumper.
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Marquette has reached out to Seton Hall transfer Dre Davis.
Not really sure how he'd fit, but interesting nonetheless.
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Depends who is taking them. He had no problem with Oso taking push shots from up to 17 feet. I'd rather a true jumper.
I don't remember a single Oso push shot from 17 feet. Maybe a half-dozen from just inside the FT line all season - maybe, probably fewer. The VAST majority of Oso push shots were from 6-7 feet and in. And you know that, so I'm not sure why you're claiming Oso was firing up 17-footers.
Semi-related ...
TBS ran a graphic during the Bama-UConn game showing that Bama had attempted 4 mid-range shots in the entire NCAA tournament. So we're not the only team that has had success with that strategy.
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I don't remember a single Oso push shot from 17 feet. Maybe a half-dozen from just inside the FT line all season - maybe, probably fewer. The VAST majority of Oso push shots were from 6-7 feet and in. And you know that, so I'm not sure why you're claiming Oso was firing up 17-footers.
Semi-related ...
TBS ran a graphic during the Bama-UConn game showing that Bama had attempted 4 mid-range shots in the entire NCAA tournament. So we're not the only team that has had success with that strategy.
Oso took many free throw line or just beyond floaters.
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Beyond the foul line? Maybe two.
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Oso took many free throw line or just beyond floaters.
He took two beyond the foul line in first 10 minutes of Prov BET game
That was it
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He took two beyond the foul line in first 10 minutes of Prov BET game
That was it
He has taken plenty of foul floaters in his career. Not just 2.
Offense is all personnel based. Will they try to shoot 3s and dunks still? Probably to some capacity, but Darryl shot midrange, Justin shot midrange, Oso utilized the midrange. They won't eliminate it if they have the personnel to utilize it.
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Feel like Aidoo will fill in so nicely with our team but can’t see him coming here. Guessing somewhere with more NIL $
I think you’re right but it can’t hurt to at least kick the tires.
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I think you’re right but it can’t hurt to at least kick the tires.
Right it’s not completely outlandish. He did originally commit here after all.
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Marquette has reached out to Seton Hall transfer Dre Davis.
Not really sure how he'd fit, but interesting nonetheless.
That's interesting. Not a position that I would have expected, but a proven scorer.
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He has a nice jumpshot.
https://youtu.be/Fv-tYqwi8to?si=9HU2Ck3v6dS3fmCV
42% from anywhere inside the arc is horribly inefficient offense. And the form is gross. As is 62% from the free throw line. And 8/32 for his career from 3. And 39% eFG% on catch and shoot (like, impressively gross). Just a bad shooter all around.
I do love that they showed "where he scores from" as the right elbow, and then showed like 2 shots from the right side of the court and everything else was jump hooks from 7 feet. Lol.
Went to the Tennessee at Mizzou game and anytime Aidoo took a shot that wasn't dunking the ball Rick Barnes tipped so far back in his chair in disgust that I thought he might tip over backwards.
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It's decent enough to keep defenders honest, but yeah...that's not a good shot at all.
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Oso took many free throw line or just beyond floaters.
He did not.
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He has taken plenty of foul floaters in his career.
Nope.
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If he has eaten Real Chili, he has taken a foul floater.
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Nope.
Yup! And it was his coldest zone on the court...and this is just 2022-2023. He took more this season.
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Yup! And it was his coldest zone on the court...and this is just 2022-2023. He took more this season.
I don’t think this shows what you are claiming it shows.
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I don’t think this shows what you are claiming it shows.
It shows that he has taken shots from the free throw line and beyond...as was my original claim...because he has.
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It shows that he has taken shots from the free throw line and beyond...as was my original claim...because he has.
Must have taken them during the Radford game....
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It shows that he has taken shots from the free throw line and beyond...as was my original claim...because he has.
Your original claim was that he took “many”. That’s not what that shows.
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Your original claim was that he took “many”. That’s not what that shows.
Plenty was the claim...and that word can be discretionary. There isn't any set number for plenty...but I have seen him take the shot plenty over the past 2 seasons. That chart does nothing but confirm he's taken those shots.
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I know when I think of plenty it’s always a random number somewhere between 3 and 1000………….
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I know when I think of plenty it’s always a random number somewhere between 3 and 1000………….
Oso has taken 734 shots in his career.
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Good try, though!
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Plenty was the claim...and that word can be discretionary. There isn't any set number for plenty...but I have seen him take the shot plenty over the past 2 seasons. That chart does nothing but confirm he's taken those shots.
Oso took many free throw line or just beyond floaters.
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Point still stands. He's taken them. This all stemmed from Aidoo and a jumpshot.
I'd like to see a center in this offense with a real jumpshot. Whether that is Aidoo or not, we will get it from Ben Gold next year from deep. Aidoo just has more of the midrange game that we were discussing. Gold does not.
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Point still stands. He's taken them. This all stemmed from Aidoo and a jumpshot.
I'd like to see a center in this offense with a real jumpshot. Whether that is Aidoo or not, we will get it from Ben Gold next year from deep. Aidoo just has more of the midrange game that we were discussing. Gold does not.
Oso took them, just not many of them. It was not and will never be a valuable part of a Nevada/Shaka offense.
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Oso took them, just not many of them. It was not and will never be a valuable part of a Nevada/Shaka offense.
Morsell took MANY. Lewis took a lot.
It isn't absent from their strategy. They just prefer 3s and dunks, but it completely depends who's taking them. The only midrange threat on this team was Joplin and Oso's push shot.
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Many different accounts on Trilly's discord are saying Seth Trimble is going to end up at Marquette...a few claim to know his mom wants Marquette because she likes Shaka...weird thing to make up, but Trilly says too early to know.
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Many different accounts on Trilly's discord are saying Seth Trimble is going to end up at Marquette...a few claim to know his mom wants Marquette because she likes Shaka...weird thing to make up, but Trilly says too early to know.
Im pretty sure thats all just based on Trimbles mom liking a couple tweets about Marquette during the tournament. I wouldnt read anything into what people are posting there, other than Trilly.
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Plenty was the claim...and that word can be discretionary. There isn't any set number for plenty...but I have seen him take the shot plenty over the past 2 seasons. That chart does nothing but confirm he's taken those shots.
Man, I have seen people here shifting goalposts, but this is really ridiculous. You claim he took "many." Then you post a chart that he took less than a dozen claiming it proves your point.
That isn't "many" or "plenty" no matter how you chose to define the word. It was an inaccurate statement. Just own it.
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Man, I have seen people here shifting goalposts, but this is really ridiculous. You claim he took "many." Then you post a chart that he took less than a dozen claiming it proves your point.
That isn't "many" or "plenty" no matter how you chose to define the word. It was an inaccurate statement. Just own it.
I was just thinking that this is up there with some of Chico's finest work. Truly an all-timer.
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Point still stands. He's taken them. This all stemmed from Aidoo and a jumpshot.
I'd like to see a center in this offense with a real jumpshot. Whether that is Aidoo or not, we will get it from Ben Gold next year from deep. Aidoo just has more of the midrange game that we were discussing. Gold does not.
Are you a dentist?
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Many different accounts on Trilly's discord are saying Seth Trimble is going to end up at Marquette...a few claim to know his mom wants Marquette because she likes Shaka...weird thing to make up, but Trilly says too early to know.
I suppose it isn't impossible, but I don't think there's any reason at this point to believe Trimble will end up here.
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Morsell took MANY. Lewis took a lot.
It isn't absent from their strategy. They just prefer 3s and dunks, but it completely depends who's taking them. The only midrange threat on this team was Joplin and Oso's push shot.
1. What JLew and Moresell did does not make your assertion about Oso correct
2. JLew/Moresell was two years ago with a cobbled together roster. You may also remember the following season the team making comments about not playing for each other towards the end of the previous season. That's teamspeak for JLew and Moresell started taking a lot of shots that they didn't want them to.
3. If you think Kam, TKO, Chase, Gold, etc are incapable of hitting midrange shots, you are mistaken. They don't take them because they're not part of the game plan. I haven't seen the end of season numbers but about 75% through the season we had literally taken 1 long 2 all season. That is a strategic choice
4. Aidoo would be awesome here. He's a defensive monster who would thrive in our system (but we can't afford him). Him being bad at 17 footers has nothing to do with why he's be good here.
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Gold will add plenty of jumpers from the 5 position next season. Most by far will be 3s. Fans will be happy about that when he's on a hot streak; he had a few of those this season. Fans will whine that he's taking too many 3s when he's on a cold streak; he had a couple of those this season.
We won't be bringing in 5s - or anyone else - to boost our midrange game as long as Shaka runs the Shaka/Nevada offense. It's an inefficient shot.
Related: Not sure why that Oso shot chart ignores the two fine 3s he attempted this season.
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I suppose it isn't impossible, but I don't think there's any reason at this point to believe Trimble will end up here.
I am not hip to the reasons people don't want Trimble here (or if there are any Maymon parental issues). That said, I'd welcome him here if he wants to be here. Was impressed with what I saw out him this year. Really great motor on defense, good shooter from 3, and a good distributor. I get garbage time isn't the best time to judge, but thought in a few I watched where he ran the second unit he made the team better through his presence and composure. Downside is he can't hit FT
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Gold will add plenty of jumpers from the 5 position next season. Most by far will be 3s. Fans will be happy about that when he's on a hot streak; he had a few of those this season. Fans will whine that he's taking too many 3s when he's on a cold streak; he had a couple of those this season.
We won't be bringing in 5s - or anyone else - to boost our midrange game as long as Shaka runs the Shaka/Nevada offense. It's an inefficient shot.
Related: Not sure why that Oso shot chart ignores the two fine 3s he attempted this season.
Pretty sure it is a 22-23 shot chart. Ben did a drive from the left wing, pull up 10 foot baseline jumper after hitting a couple of 3s. He sat shortly thereafter.
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I suppose it isn't impossible, but I don't think there's any reason at this point to believe Trimble will end up here.
I agree. I'd love to have him but I don't think you'd use the one available spot on him.
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I am not hip to the reasons people don't want Trimble here (or if there are any Maymon parental issues). That said, I'd welcome him here if he wants to be here. Was impressed with what I saw out him this year. Really great motor on defense, good shooter from 3, and a good distributor. I get garbage time isn't the best time to judge, but thought in a few I watched where he ran the second unit he made the team better through his presence and composure. Downside is he can't hit FT
Agree. I’d be happy with him. We will be in need of experienced guards in 2 years after Kam and Stevie depart.
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I agree. I'd love to have him but I don't think you'd use the one available spot on him.
Well, that depends. If Sean's injury is as bad as people here have said and he is looking at not playing until January or Feb... should he just RS and not burn a year of eligibility? That'd make room for a second portaler.
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Marquette has reached out to Seton Hall transfer Dre Davis.
Not really sure how he'd fit, but interesting nonetheless.
Think people may have missed this amongst the Aidoo conversation. Davis is a proven, athletic wing/forward that plays bigger than he's listed (6'6). He has fantastic advanced stats. Doesn't fit the mold of what I figured we'd be after (either a ball handler or big man), but a great player regardless. Would be very happy with him.
2023-4 highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X88MTJ9s0eU
12th best transfer available according to Torvik : https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&xvalue=trans&year=2024&minmin=0&start=20231101&end=20240501
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No, it would not. Sean's scholarship is still counted. Until someone departs, MU has one scholarship available.
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No, it would not. Sean's scholarship is still counted. Until someone departs, MU has one scholarship available.
Okay, not sure why this doesn't stick in my head lol
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All good.
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Think people may have missed this amongst the Aidoo conversation. Davis is a proven, athletic wing/forward that plays bigger than he's listed (6'6). He has fantastic advanced stats. Doesn't fit the mold of what I figured we'd be after (either a ball handler or big man), but a great player regardless. Would be very happy with him.
2023-4 highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X88MTJ9s0eU
12th best transfer available according to Torvik : https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&xvalue=trans&year=2024&minmin=0&start=20231101&end=20240501
He's awesome. Probably would've been in the Final Four had we had him this year.
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No, it would not. Sean's scholarship is still counted. Until someone departs, MU has one scholarship available.
I'm pretty sure the scholarship numbers don't matter that much with NIL. You can give a walk-on enough to pay for his scholarship and then some and he won't count towards the 13. I think Musselman did that last year with the guard who transferred in from Washington.
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I'm pretty sure the scholarship numbers don't matter that much with NIL. You can give a walk-on enough to pay for his scholarship and then some and he won't count towards the 13. I think Musselman did that last year with the guard who transferred in from Washington.
Your right Ted,I talked with a mother who's son was offered a walk on at MU,was told NIL would pay for his scholarship
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After the past few years you don't really visit UConn and say no, assuming they want you as well.
The Huskies are about to get another monster in the post.
https://twitter.com/TransferPortal_/status/1778873874932781111?t=q_qf6cMc7cijHeUlQzp34w&s=19
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After the past few years you don't really visit UConn and say no, assuming they want you as well.
The Huskies are about to get another monster in the post.
https://twitter.com/TransferPortal_/status/1778873874932781111?t=q_qf6cMc7cijHeUlQzp34w&s=19
Am I mis-remembering, or didn't Hurley recently make a big deal about how he does not use the portal to build his program (and praised Shaka for doing likewise)?
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Am I mis-remembering, or didn't Hurley recently make a big deal about how he does not use the portal to build his program (and praised Shaka for doing likewise)?
I don't believe I saw that. He has praised Shaka/Marquette culture, but not sure it related to the portal. Maybe I missed it though!
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Am I mis-remembering, or didn't Hurley recently make a big deal about how he does not use the portal to build his program (and praised Shaka for doing likewise)?
If he did we should have all had a good laugh. He’s been a huge beneficiary of transfers into UConn.
I think you may remembering that he was talking about tampering with existing players and Shaka didn’t do that.
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I agree. I'd love to have him but I don't think you'd use the one available spot on him.
You do not know what other options there are. You can only get players that want to come.
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After the past few years you don't really visit UConn and say no, assuming they want you as well.
The Huskies are about to get another monster in the post.
https://twitter.com/TransferPortal_/status/1778873874932781111?t=q_qf6cMc7cijHeUlQzp34w&s=19
If that's Clingan's replacement, I'll admit, it seems a bit underwhelming. Especially considering the bigs in the portal right now.
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You do not know what other options there are. You can only get players that want to come.
Based on Marquette’s needs I think that slot would be better used for a big or a better shooter than Trimble.
But you are correct, I don’t know what the other options are or who wants to come.
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Am I mis-remembering, or didn't Hurley recently make a big deal about how he does not use the portal to build his program (and praised Shaka for doing likewise)?
He said he wasn’t looking forward to the portal conversations ……..not that he wouldn’t be involved.
His praise of Shaka was that they weren’t tampering ……..he intimidated that some of his players were being contacted when they weren’t in the portal.
He added Spencer through the portal last year……..so he clearly isn’t against using it……but he doesn’t want to build his program with nothing but Portal guys as some have done recently.
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He said he wasn’t looking forward to the portal conversations ……..not that he wouldn’t be involved.
His praise of Shaka was that they weren’t tampering ……..he intimidated that some of his players were being contacted when they weren’t in the portal.
He added Spencer through the portal last year……..so he clearly isn’t against using it……but he doesn’t want to build his program with nothing but Portal guys as some have done recently.
His twitter post from today is legendary
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Based on Marquette’s needs I think that slot would be better used for a big or a better shooter than Trimble.
But you are correct, I don’t know what the other options are or who wants to come.
Trimble shot 41.9% from 3 last year.
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If that's Clingan's replacement, I'll admit, it seems a bit underwhelming. Especially considering the bigs in the portal right now.
Gonna go out on a limb here and suggest Hurley might know what he's doing.
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Trimble shot 41.9% from 3 last year.
Yes but a small sample size. Only shot 31 all year.
Don’t get me wrong I’d love to have him but there might be better fits out there.
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Personally, I'd like to see us land Robbie Avila, Malik Mack, Vladislav Golden, or Trimble.
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Don’t know if it has been mentioned here yet? Seth Trimble is j.p. Tokotos younger brother. So he’s from Menominee falls
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Would be great to get Davis and have Jolpin as our sixth man again.
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I don’t know much about Trimble, but I’ve got a buddy who’s a die hard UNC fan so naturally I asked.
This was his response-
Trimble is SUPER athletic and has potential to be any conferences defense player of the year. 6'2-6'3 so pro position is point guard. His shot was really a weakness but shot 41% from 3 this year in very low volume (almost all wide open corner 3) has nba potential if he gets more minutes. Leaving bc RJ Davis possibly back, Cadeau is a top 10ish college PG (sophmore) and UNC is bringing in 2 top 10 HS wings/guards so likely to get less than his 17 minutes per game this past season
This guys a huge UNC homer so his data might be a bit on the peachier side than the full reality, but still struck me as someone I could really see Shaka clamoring in the portal if he goes that route, especially depending on what he knows about SJ22.
As we all know Shaka REALLY values defense, and I’m sure the idea of someone coming in with 2 seasons left that has that high of a potential defensive ability, and can run the point and possibly even shoot enough to keep defenses honest has got to be enticing.
The parent issue I’m sure Shaka is in tune with, guy seems to know every aspect of his program inside and out.
If Shaka wants him we should obviously all want him, and if he ends up coming to Marquette look no further than that defensive ability in a position of need due to departure and injury.
As for Dre Davis- there was a point in the season where I mentioned that my wish for this offseasons portal was to get the best scorer possible in any position you could get him at and fit the pieces as necessary.
Dre can score, and can get to the line efficiently and shoot a high percentage, as well as rebound and block shots. There isn’t much to not like from an aspect of he can pretty much do a lot of the things the current roster if weak at, so he would be a big upgrade in many facets of the game that aren’t current strengths.
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If there's one area where I trust Shaka it's team chemistry and culture. If he thinks Trimble's (and his family's) personality would fit in this program, giddy-up.
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No thanks on Trimble. Plenty of much better players in the portal if Shaka decides to actually go that route.
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A few Big East updates
Butler lands Patrick McCaffery from Iowa - 8.9 ppg playing for dad.
TCU's Micah Peavy to Georegtown. Former top 40 recruit for Texas Tech out of HS--10.9 ppg last season.
Elijah Hutchins-Everret leaving Seton Hall and Frederick King transferring from Creighton.
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A few Big East updates
Butler lands Patrick McCaffery from Iowa - 8.9 ppg playing for dad.
TCU's Micah Peavy to Georegtown. Former top 40 recruit for Texas Tech out of HS--10.9 ppg last season.
Elijah Hutchins-Everret leaving Seton Hall and Frederick King transferring from Creighton.
McCaffrey’s brother works for the Pacers in the same city. Wonder how long Fran’s got.
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A few Big East updates
Butler lands Patrick McCaffery from Iowa - 8.9 ppg playing for dad.
TCU's Micah Peavy to Georegtown. Former top 40 recruit for Texas Tech out of HS--10.9 ppg last season.
Elijah Hutchins-Everret leaving Seton Hall and Frederick King transferring from Creighton.
Those are nice pickups for Butler and Georgetown.
Not sure what happened with King - he looked pretty good against us last year.
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Elijah Hutchins-Everret leaving Seton Hall and Frederick King transferring from Creighton.
Does this mean Kalkbrenner is coming back for another year?
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Not sure what happened with King - he looked pretty good against us last year.
Was thinking the same. He made some defensive mistakes but he looked like a guy who would one day be quite good. And then this season he barely played.
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McCaffrey’s brother works for the Pacers in the same city. Wonder how long Fran’s got.
McCaffrey has been dating Caitlin Clark for a while. I suspect that has a lot to do with the move.
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I thought it was his older brother who works for the Pacers who was dating Clark.
EDIT: Yeah she is dating Connor, the older brother.
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McCaffrey has been dating Caitlin Clark for a while. I suspect that has a lot to do with the move.
What does Connor dating CC have to do with Patrick going to Butler?
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What does Connor dating CC have to do with Patrick going to Butler?
I assume the poster thought Patrick was dating Clark and transferred to Butler to be near here since Indiana has the 1st pick in the WNBA draft.
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https://twitter.com/CTESPNmarquette/status/1779623599667642650?t=t6CpI1WOS8dhDVBZj4CAEg&s=19
Do we trust this account?
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https://twitter.com/CTESPNmarquette/status/1779623599667642650?t=t6CpI1WOS8dhDVBZj4CAEg&s=19
Do we trust this account?
No
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Does this mean Kalkbrenner is coming back for another year?
I thought that might be the case as well, but I also saw this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/3-best-oumar-ballo-transfer-portal-destinations-after-leaving-arizona-basketball/ar-BB1ltoVa (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/3-best-oumar-ballo-transfer-portal-destinations-after-leaving-arizona-basketball/ar-BB1ltoVa)
Either way, King wasn't going to be next man up at Creighton.
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https://twitter.com/CTESPNmarquette/status/1779623599667642650?t=t6CpI1WOS8dhDVBZj4CAEg&s=19
Do we trust this account?
https://twitter.com/CTESPNmarquette/status/1778910564195909740
Id say............no
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The account is named CTESPN. CTE...ESPN
Think about it.
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The account is named CTESPN. CTE...ESPN
Think about it.
That's a take on the Antonio Brown account. He's trying to overtake barstool with those cte ESPN accounts for every university.
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https://twitter.com/CTESPNmarquette/status/1779623599667642650?t=t6CpI1WOS8dhDVBZj4CAEg&s=19
Do we trust this account?
According to their bio, they post the "Cracker of the Day". Gotta be legit
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Imagine they’re right lol
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The account is named CTESPN. CTE...ESPN
Think about it.
Which is Antonio’s brown’s schtick, uses #ctespn on every post. So yeah..
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Which is Antonio’s brown’s schtick, uses #ctespn on every post. So yeah..
Antonio Brown tweeted directly at them the other day. It is a total troll account just like Antonio Brown.
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I assume the poster thought Patrick was dating Clark and transferred to Butler to be near here since Indiana has the 1st pick in the WNBA draft.
Correct. Thanks for the correction.
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Mr Borzellos Tracker ane commentary on Transfer Portal prospects
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39945519/2024-25-ncaa-mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker-updates-visits-commitments
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Mr Borzellos Tracker ane commentary on Transfer Portal prospects
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39945519/2024-25-ncaa-mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker-updates-visits-commitments
Zero Marquette mentions. Doesn't mean the article isn't worthwhile - I like reading about this stuff - but still, zero MU mentions.
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Zero Marquette mentions. Doesn't mean the article isn't worthwhile - I like reading about this stuff - but still, zero MU mentions.
Jawohl. Herr Shaka sucht einen Deutschen fur die mannschaft.
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Creighton and Xavier are in on Maddox. As you guys know more than I do is he any good?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/unlocking-potential-mid-major-transfers-reshaping-college-basketball-landscape/ar-BB1lCV8u?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3fcd09e2a861450191d0820a16c57145&ei=20
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https://twitter.com/CBBcontent/status/1779911729029206299?t=BErdcaSZHjayyiipPSAlYA&s=19
Looks like our shooter/scorer we need! Hopefully he takes the visit.
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https://twitter.com/CBBcontent/status/1779911729029206299?t=BErdcaSZHjayyiipPSAlYA&s=19
Looks like our shooter/scorer we need! Hopefully he takes the visit.
15-41 from 3. 52.8 effective fg%
Define “shooter”
Edit: only a frosh
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Bryce Pope is another name to keep an eye on.
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Bryce Pope is another name to keep an eye on.
He may be the closest thing to Tyler in the portal. Would be amazing. Is this just a hunch on your end?
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He may be the closest thing to Tyler in the portal. Would be amazing. Is this just a hunch on your end?
What I had heard, more or less confirmed by the assistant coaches followed Saran and Pope both on socials.
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https://twitter.com/CBBcontent/status/1779911729029206299?t=BErdcaSZHjayyiipPSAlYA&s=19
Looks like our shooter/scorer we need! Hopefully he takes the visit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vx3MuNnNhI
Catch and Shoot - 71% eFG --- 98th percentile
Spot Up - 1.05 PPP --- 74th percentile
3 years of eligibility, I'd be all-in on it.
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He may be the closest thing to Tyler in the portal. Would be amazing. Is this just a hunch on your end?
How is someone that averaged 1.9 apg the closest thing to Tyler in the portal? Also only shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3.
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How is someone that averaged 1.9 apg the closest thing to Tyler in the portal? Also only shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3.
Pope assist rate: 11.4%
Kolek assist rate: 42.1%
Uncanny.
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Pope assist rate: 11.4%
Kolek assist rate: 42.1%
Uncanny.
C'mon Pak, I think you are being a little to hard on the beaver.
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The comparable Kolek assist rate would be his assist rate as a freshman at GMU.
Kolek freshman year assist rate: 14.0%
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https://twitter.com/CBBcontent/status/1779911729029206299?t=BErdcaSZHjayyiipPSAlYA&s=19
Looks like our shooter/scorer we need! Hopefully he takes the visit.
This fits the Shaka transfer mold to a T. Would love to bring him aboard. Fantastic freshman stats to build on.
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C'mon Pak, I think you are being a little to hard on the beaver.
Dirtiest thing ever said on television?
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The comparable Kolek assist rate would be his assist rate as a freshman at GMU.
Kolek freshman year assist rate: 14.0%
How does that make Pope like Kolek?
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Bryce Pope is another name to keep an eye on.
Underwhelming
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How does that make Pope like Kolek?
Kolek is infallible.
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How does that make Pope like Kolek?
It's not so much Pope being like Kolek but more that the role envisioned for the staff may not line up with the role a member had at a previous stop. It's probably a closer comp for another freshman like Saran, but I wouldn't automatically rule out comps based on assist rate when you look at Kolek's incoming assist rate. He was clearly a SG coming in but never played like that once arriving.
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It's not so much Pope being like Kolek but more that the role envisioned for the staff may not line up with the role a member had at a previous stop. It's probably a closer comp for another freshman like Saran, but I wouldn't automatically rule out comps based on assist rate when you look at Kolek's incoming assist rate. He was clearly a SG coming in but never played like that once arriving.
Coaching staff is probably trying to keep this under wraps.
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It's not so much Pope being like Kolek but more that the role envisioned for the staff may not line up with the role a member had at a previous stop. It's probably a closer comp for another freshman like Saran, but I wouldn't automatically rule out comps based on assist rate when you look at Kolek's incoming assist rate. He was clearly a SG coming in but never played like that once arriving.
Kolek also transferred after 1 year - Pope has played 4. Looks like he is what he is - an inefficient SG.
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Coaching staff is probably trying to keep this under wraps.
Bravo.
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It's not so much Pope being like Kolek but more that the role envisioned for the staff may not line up with the role a member had at a previous stop. It's probably a closer comp for another freshman like Saran, but I wouldn't automatically rule out comps based on assist rate when you look at Kolek's incoming assist rate. He was clearly a SG coming in but never played like that once arriving.
Pope was described as "the closest thing to Kolek in the portal."
So, setting aside assist rate, what makes his game similar to Kolek's?
And how inept would a coaching staff have to be to have an obvious Tyler Kolek clone on its roster for four years and stubbornly stick him off the ball?
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Pope was described as "the closest thing to Kolek in the portal."
So, setting aside assist rate, what makes his game similar to Kolek's?
And how inept would a coaching staff have to be to have an obvious Tyler Kolek clone on its roster for four years and stubbornly stick him off the ball?
Who said he was an obvious clone?
You’re unraveling and now creating narratives
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UK dj Wagner in portal
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Jeremy Roach from Duke rumored to be portaling, would be a fantastic Kolek replacement
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Who said he was an obvious clone?
You’re unraveling and now creating narratives
Sorry a little hyperbole was too much for you to bear.
How about "a player much like Tyler Kolek."
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I would be very happy if Shaka landed an all American point guard.
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Sorry a little hyperbole was too much for you to bear.
How about "a player much like Tyler Kolek."
They said “most like” and then you were given a reason.
No one said copy or even much like TK. Just most like
And apparently that’s been too much for you to bear
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They said “most like” and then you were given a reason.
No one said copy or even much like TK. Just most like
And apparently that’s been too much for you to bear
He's most like Kolek because his fourth year assist rate was only 3% lower than Kolek's first year assist rate? That's the entire basis for the comparison?
I'd venture to guess there are a couple dozen or more players in the portal with an assist rate within 3% of Kolek's frosh rate. Are they all similar to Kolek?
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Boogie Woogie.... that is your answer
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15-41 from 3. 52.8 effective fg%
Define “shooter”
Edit: only a frosh
Some context for the low attempt numbers. UC Irvine ranked 352nd in 3PA/FGA. Over the last 7 seasons, Coach Turners Anteaters have ranked 305th or lower in that category. The 4 seasons before that they were still bottom half never ranking higher than 215.
The low 3P attempts are very much apart of Turners system. Saran was probably the third best three point shooter on that team. The top 2 were a senior and a COVID senior
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Dillon Mitchell is in the Portal.
Anybody know who this is? Followed by Stevie, Wrightsil and some coaches.
https://twitter.com/TheGolden_Son/status/1779967426832019862?t=w4muyyWIwO_Egkuc7kpraQ&s=19
Seems like there's probably nothing to it but Mitchell would be a great fit.
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Tyrese Hunter in the portal.. might be a decent option at PG
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Dillon Mitchell is in the Portal.
Anybody know who this is? Followed by Stevie, Wrightsil and some coaches.
https://twitter.com/TheGolden_Son/status/1779967426832019862?t=w4muyyWIwO_Egkuc7kpraQ&s=19
Seems like there's probably nothing to it but Mitchell would be a great fit.
Why does this account suggest he would go play for Shaka? I don't think Shaka recruited him at Texas.
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Why does this account suggest he would go play for Shaka? I don't think Shaka recruited him at Texas.
No idea, but he'd be a nice fit!
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Dillon Mitchell is a decent player but not someone that fills any need we have. He’s a good rebounder and defender and crazy athlete but that’s it. Can’t shoot 3s at all and not tall enough to play center
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Why does this account suggest he would go play for Shaka? I don't think Shaka recruited him at Texas.
I'm sure it's the thought of him coming from Texas and thinking he fits Marquette's style with his length and activity. I don't see it as likely for a number of reasons, but I've been surprised before.
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Dillon Mitchell is a decent player but not someone that fills any need we have. He’s a good rebounder and defender and crazy athlete but that’s it. Can’t shoot 3s at all and not tall enough to play center
You kinda just proved why he does fill a need.
Rebounding.
We started
Kolek
Morsell
Lewis
OMax
Kur
Why couldn't we start
Kam Jones
Stevie Mitchell
David Joplin
Ben Gold
Dillon Mitchell
?
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Why not start
Gold
Joplin
Stevie
Kam
Chase/Owens/Parham/Amadou
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Why not start
Gold
Joplin
Stevie
Kam
Chase/Owens/Parham/Amadou
They definitely could, and probably will, but Mitchell absolutely elevates a ceiling and improves the rebounding.
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Why not start
Gold
Joplin
Stevie
Kam
Chase/Owens/Parham/Amadou
You can. Sure. But I think we need a better option to back up the post that Amadou or Hamilton. Gold has some great attributes but has been foul prone.
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Is 6'8, 205 Dillon Mitchell the answer?
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Why not start
Gold
Joplin
Stevie
Kam
Chase/Owens/Parham/Amadou
That seems likely to be the starting lineup.
But behind Gold and Kam (assuming Kam is running the point) is a whole lot of unknowns. You have a scholie to give. Why not use it to shore up one of those slots with a known quantity?
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Is 6'8, 205 Dillon Mitchell the answer?
No. I don’t think so. I think a bigger wing would be fine but not Mitchell.
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Is 6'8, 205 Dillon Mitchell the answer?
Seems like there are plenty of this body type already on the roster (Jop, Amadou, Parham, Owens).
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Is 6'8, 205 Dillon Mitchell the answer?
Why not? Especially because at 6'8" it is much more likely that he's 220+ lbs.
It also moves 6'8" 225 David Joplin to the 3 and just like that our Starting lineup goes
6'5"
6'3"
6'8"
6'8"
6'11"
More of what we've been looking for.
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Seems like there are plenty of this body type already on the roster (Jop, Amadou, Parham, Owens).
I don't know anything about Dillon Mitchell but the question is are Amadou, Parham and/or Owens ready to contribute next year?
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Pegging a transfer as a "shaka" type of player is hilarious.
The lack of common sense it takes to do that is funny
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I don't know anything about Dillon Mitchell but the question is are Amadou, Parham and/or Owens ready to contribute next year?
The existential question
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Pegging a transfer as a "shaka" type of player is hilarious.
The lack of common sense it takes to do that is funny
I'm glad Shaka thought Tyler Kolek was his type of player.
Not to mention Kur, Morsell, and OMax.
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I don't know anything about Dillon Mitchell but the question is are Amadou, Parham and/or Owens ready to contribute next year?
As backups? I would hope so.
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Mitchell fits the Shaka profile but I have my doubts that’s the type of player they’d add in the portal. I wouldn’t hate it, though.
Hunter has been underwhelming during his career. Stevie Mitchell has been a better player (Thanks, Wojo!). However, with question about Sean, he would be a fit for depth purposes and definitely can run an offense. Wouldn’t hate it either.
Wonder if Ole Miss aren’t likely destinations, though.
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I'm glad Shaka thought Tyler Kolek was his type of player.
Not to mention Kur, Morsell, and OMax.
Except each of those guys was brought in during Shaka's 1st season when he had a lot of open spots and had to build a team. Not sure how much relevance that has now when he's got 12 guys on the roster.
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https://twitter.com/EvanMiya/status/1779944644165664850?t=dva_kIiNhxXgH8fZZn7HgA&s=19
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Dillon Mitchell is a decent player but not someone that fills any need we have. He’s a good rebounder and defender and crazy athlete but that’s it. Can’t shoot 3s at all and not tall enough to play center
Agreed, he seems to underachieve relative to his skill level and athleticism. 'Course, Shaka could get more out of him.
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Give me Jeremy Roach on a 1 year $1 mil deal. Him and Kam would be the best guard duo in the country
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Koby Brea in the portal. Best 3 pt shooter in the country. https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1780040117471612979
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Koby Brea in the portal. Best 3 pt shooter in the country. https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1780040117471612979
A bunch of the big dogs will be interested. Tough one for Dayton as they were looking to have a very solid roster if Holmes sticks around, though that is unlikely.
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Jaden Schutt from Duke is in the portal. He's a shooter from Yorkville, Illinois. I think he'd have 3 years left, but I guess he has an injury history. https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits
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Koby Brea in the portal. Best 3 pt shooter in the country. https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1780040117471612979
About as one dimensional as you can get. Averaged 2 points a game on non-threes. There is value, but not a well rounded player.
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About as one dimensional as you can get. Averaged 2 points a game on non-threes. There is value, but not a well rounded player.
Not sure on the advanced stats but it at least wasn’t allergic to rebounds or passing.
My bigger worry is that while it was impressively his highest volume this was also easily his best shooting season.
Could come back to earth. Or potentially thrive in a offense like ours
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TJ Bamba in the portal. I believe that's now the top 7 rotation players gone for one reason or another for Nova.
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TJ Bamba in the portal. I believe that's now the top 7 rotation players gone for one reason or another for Nova.
Is Armstrong gone?
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Is Armstrong gone?
He has declared while maintaining eligibility so he has the potential to return, but there have also been rumors that if he comes back to college it won't be at Nova.
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He has declared while maintaining eligibility so he has the potential to return, but there have also been rumors that if he comes back to college it won't be at Nova.
I would love to see Shaka get to 10-0 (at least) against Nova as Marquette's head coach.
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He has declared while maintaining eligibility so he has the potential to return, but there have also been rumors that if he comes back to college it won't be at Nova.
Did Dixon already bounce forsure? I thought he was still open to returning
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Did Dixon already bounce forsure? I thought he was still open to returning
This articles says he's gone, but looking at the actual statement that he put out it doesn't say anything about hiring an agent/hiring a non NCAA approved agent, so I'm not 100% sure either way.
https://villanovan.com/25704/sports/eric-dixon-declares-for-2024-nba-draft/
That being said, why would you go back to what will be an awful season?
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Did Dixon already bounce forsure? I thought he was still open to returning
He declared for NBA draft: https://twitter.com/tommygodinjr/status/1779247686408884441
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He declared for NBA draft: https://twitter.com/tommygodinjr/status/1779247686408884441
According to Tommy Goodin who is apparently a writer for VUHoops, Dixon is maintaining his eligibility so he could choose to return to Nova. No idea how well informed Goodin is
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He declared for NBA draft: https://twitter.com/tommygodinjr/status/1779247686408884441
Correct but he kept his eligibility.
But like DJo said, not sure why he’d wanna do a year 5 on that roster for that coach
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Did a little research on Derin Saran. He played PG in HS and averaged 19.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, and 7.2 apg as a senior.
Played SG at UC-Irvine next to a 5th year senior that had a 43.7% assist rate. Saran was 2nd on the team with a 17.3% assist rate.
Maybe Saran's the transfer G most like freshman year Kolek.
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Did a little research on Derin Saran. He played PG in HS and averaged 19.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, and 7.2 apg as a senior.
Played SG at UC-Irvine next to a 5th year senior that had a 43.7% assist rate. Saran was 2nd on the team with a 17.3% assist rate.
Maybe Saran's the transfer G most like freshman year Kolek.
I was just coming to this thread to say that I watched his Transfer Portal highlights just now on my lunch break and he looks really good. He can really create for himself and others and has a really nice looking shot. 6'5" too.
He's my favorite of our candidates by far. Also played for a 1st place team in the Big West that went 17-3 in Conference and 24-10 overall which is a nice bonus!
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Oumar Ballo to Indiana.
Selton Miguel to Maryland.
Vlad Goldin to Michigan.
Is UW in the running to be the 1st team in B1G history to take 18th place?
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Oumar Ballo to Indiana.
Selton Miguel to Maryland.
Vlad Goldin to Michigan.
Is UW in the running to be the 1st team in B1G history to take 18th place?
No
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Rice
Ballo- $1.2M
Carlyle
Set to make $3M combined next year at Indiana. Outragous!
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I was just coming to this thread to say that I watched his Transfer Portal highlights just now on my lunch break and he looks really good. He can really create for himself and others and has a really nice looking shot. 6'5" too.
He's my favorite of our candidates by far. Also played for a 1st place team in the Big West that went 17-3 in Conference and 24-10 overall which is a nice bonus!
He's quickly becoming my favorite transfer target, too. A good player on a good team with some untapped potential. 10 ppg in only 19 mpg.
Very solid advanced metrics. High usage, good efficiency and he maintains both against top 100/50.
He also gets to the rim a ton. 58.1% of his FGA and he shot 57.7% at the rim.
Full offensive breakdown from T Rank:
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2024&p=Derin%20Saran&t=UC%20Irvine (https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2024&p=Derin%20Saran&t=UC%20Irvine)
And looks to be at least a solid defender. DBPM +1.8 with a 2.9% steal rate.
Really good looking prospect. Would be very pleased if Shaka lands him.
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There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.
Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.
Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.
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He's quickly becoming my favorite transfer target, too. A good player on a good team with some untapped potential. 10 ppg in only 19 mpg.
Very solid advanced metrics. High usage, good efficiency and he maintains both against top 100/50.
He also gets to the rim a ton. 58.1% of his FGA and he shot 57.7% at the rim.
Full offensive breakdown from T Rank:
https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2024&p=Derin%20Saran&t=UC%20Irvine (https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2024&p=Derin%20Saran&t=UC%20Irvine)
And looks to be at least a solid defender. DBPM +1.8 with a 2.9% steal rate.
Really good looking prospect. Would be very pleased if Shaka lands him.
Totally agree.
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There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.
Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.
Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.
May want to hold off on grand pronouncements for a couple of years.
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May want to hold off on grand pronouncements for a couple of years.
Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?
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Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?
to be clear, what exactly do you think Shaka is doing that no one else is?
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to be clear, what exactly do you think Shaka is doing that no one else is?
Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while
A) retaining every rotational player
AND
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
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Why? Is there anyone else doing it quite like him in the NIL era?
The NIL era is like two years old.
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The NIL era is like two years old.
And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.
You can argue whether you agree it is the right strategy or best strategy, but the results have been strong.
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And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.
You can argue whether you agree it is the right strategy or best strategy, but the results have been strong.
My point is that you need more than a couple of years to determine how successful it really is.
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My point is that you need more than a couple of years to determine how successful it really is.
Maybe. I think we all know the portal will likely come into play again if the rules don't change, but this will be his 4th season with the NIL in play.
He has lost 0 rotational pieces in that time.
Aside from Kolek, Oso, OMax, and Justin to the NBA...and then Greg to Pittsburgh in a mutual parting of ways.
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Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while
A) retaining every rotational player
AND
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
One might argue that Kolek, OMax and Morsell were transfers of "substance."
I think you may be trying to build a narrative that doesn't yet exist based on what occurred in one offseason. Shaka dove headfirst into the portal in year one, skipped it in year two, and appears to be at least dipping in a toe this year. Seems like more than anything he's going to be flexible, using the portal when and as needed, sitting it out when not. And credit to him for not losing key players.
As for who else is doing this, Purdue comes to mind. Painter has added just one transfer the past three seasons.
Michigan State hasn't added any transfers the past two seasons while losing only a couple of bench players to the portal.
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And 2+ years in there is no one that shares his same strategy having that success.
Matt Painter would like a word ...
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There will be a documentary done one day on Marquette and Shaka's NIL Retention success.
Is there anyone else that does it remotely like him? I mean truly...can't think of one coach or place.
Some may not like the style, but I love it. Special stuff.
special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.
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special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.
They were a title contender the last two years
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special stuff? Not trying to be contrarian, but Marquette isn’t exactly challenging for natty’s, and don’t anticipate ‘24/25 to be the year.
Maybe you could elaborate.
+100.
Documentary? I don't see a 30 for 30 coming anytime soon. Golden makes it sound like Shaka's taken MU to Final Fours the last three years, but forgetting having their butt kicked as a #2 seed two years in a row. Shaka is truly a great personality who relishes his players and we'll see how his culture thing works out in next few years.
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One might argue that Kolek, OMax and Morsell were transfers of "substance."
I think you may be trying to build a narrative that doesn't yet exist based on what occurred in one offseason. Shaka dove headfirst into the portal in year one, skipped it in year two, and appears to be at least dipping in a toe this year. Seems like more than anything he's going to be flexible, using the portal when and as needed, sitting it out when not. And credit to him for not losing key players.
As for who else is doing this, Purdue comes to mind. Painter has added just one transfer the past three seasons.
Michigan State hasn't added any transfers the past two seasons while losing only a couple of bench players to the portal.
The difference with Kolek, Omax, and Morsell was they were Shaka's 1st year where had to fill more spots.
I agree that it's too small of a simple size to make a final determination regarding Shaka and the portal but he's a pretty clear outlier along the Michigan State at this point.
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Rice
Ballo- $1.2M
Carlyle
Set to make $3M combined next year at Indiana. Outragous!
I look forward to IU sucking again.
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I look forward to IU sucking again.
Freaking insane.
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The difference with Kolek, Omax, and Morsell was they were Shaka's 1st year where had to fill more spots.
Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.
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Rice
Ballo- $1.2M
Carlyle
Set to make $3M combined next year at Indiana. Outragous!
BS....
Kansas led the NCAA in NIL paid out in 2023 with a number around 4.2 million. That is 323k per scholarship player, with Dickensen making the most at an amount under 750k.
Indiana is not paying 3 players 3 million dollars.
Especially when one of them is an international student from Mali who can't receive NIL payments in the United States, for work in the US, well on his student Visa.
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There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.
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There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.
Chicos, Jr in shambles
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There seem to be a number of ways to work around the international NIL restrictions these days.
Its called taking photo's in a different country. It is very feasible, but it restricts guys from the quick in tournament Tax website ads.
Like Zach Edey can't take an additional deal in the middle of the tournament.
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Its called taking photo's in a different country. It is very feasible, but it restricts guys from the quick in tournament Tax website ads.
Like Zach Edey can't take an additional deal in the middle of the tournament.
Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?
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Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?
My guess is its likely through a 3rd party so Ben Gold did "no work". And its classified as passive.
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Why does the MU NIL site sell Ben Gold tshirts if he can't take a cut of the sales?
Because it's passive. He isn't doing any labor to earn his NIL.
He can't do ads for a car dealer, but can earn money off his image in a video game for instance.
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Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.
Fair.
But don’t you think his focus on retention and development can also qualify as a “philosophical rigidity”?
That doesn’t mean it’s a negative or that he would never pivot from it if a similar scenario that you described came to pass.
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Because it's passive. He isn't doing any labor to earn his NIL.
He can't do ads for a car dealer, but can earn money off his image in a video game for instance.
Got it. Interesting.
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Got it. Interesting.
But he can't promote the existence of the shirt because it becomes active.
https://businessofcollegesports.com/name-image-likeness/how-can-international-athletes-get-nil-deals-heres-how-to-do-it-safely/
Really the whole thing is a mess for international students. But good luck touching immigration policy in any significant way right now.
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John Hugley to Xavier. Marquette had reached out.
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1780340391826366701?t=isPSCkwBzEClKdfGlV9F5w&s=19
(https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1780340391826366701?t=isPSCkwBzEClKdfGlV9F5w&s=19)
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Fair.
But don’t you think his focus on retention and development can also qualify as a “philosophical rigidity”?
That doesn’t mean it’s a negative or that he would never pivot from it if a similar scenario that you described came to pass.
Definitely his philosophy.
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Goodman says he expects several big names to enter the portal shortly once they get their final NIL checks.
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Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.
But none of that transferring out has happened in 4 seasons. That's the point.
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BS....
Kansas led the NCAA in NIL paid out in 2023 with a number around 4.2 million. That is 323k per scholarship player, with Dickensen making the most at an amount under 750k.
Indiana is not paying 3 players 3 million dollars.
Especially when one of them is an international student from Mali who can't receive NIL payments in the United States, for work in the US, well on his student Visa.
That's the number Trilly Donovan listed. I trust him more than anyone in CBB at this point.
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But none of that transferring out has happened in 4 seasons. That's the point.
Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?
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Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?
He did say rotational players in his original post. I think that's fair to say
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Small ask: when discussing guys, can we make sure to add info re: how they’ve performed in the classroom? #STUDENTathletes
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Do you believe Marquette has had zero transfers out in the last four seasons?
Greg Elliott was the one that was essentially forced out.
All others were non rotational pieces. Rare air.
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Greg Elliott was the one that was essentially forced out.
All others were non rotational pieces. Rare air.
Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.
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Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.
My point is that Shaka is one of, if not the only, coach finding consistent success inside the Top 25 each season that doesn't lose rotational pieces to the portal and/or add major transfers to their rotation from the portal either.
There is more than one way to succeed, but this is ours and not many if any are doing it this way. It's awesome.
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That's the number Trilly Donovan listed. I trust him more than anyone in CBB at this point.
Slater (aka “trilly’s) discord is made up by a majority of Indiana fans.
I’m sure that’s what IU boosters are saying.
I actually am inclined to believe the ballo number more than I believe that the guards would get 800k a piece.
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My point is that Shaka is one of, if not the only, coach finding consistent success inside the Top 25 each season that doesn't lose rotational pieces to the portal and/or add major transfers to their rotation from the portal either.
And again, you might want to look at what Purdue has done the past few years.
I'm not disagreeing that Shaka is an outlier. He's just not the only one.
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Elliott wasn't forced out.
If your stance here is that Shaka hasn't lost key players to the portal, we agree.
If your stance here is that Shaka is alone in zagging while 350 other programs furiously zig, we disagree.
The issue is how he built the team, versus how he's being credited for building the team.
Here's the reality:
- Inherited 5 quality players (Lewis, Oso, Elliott, Stevie & Kam) who accounted for 252 combined starts over Shaka's first three seasons.
- Took 5 transfers (Morsell, Kuath, Prosper, Kolek, & Wrightsil) who accounted for 223 combined starts.
- Recruited 10 players as HS frosh (Ellis, Itejere, Joplin, Jones, Ross, Gold, Norman, Amadou, Lowery, Hamilton) who combined for 49 starts.
Shaka had the luxury of zagging given that before he coached his first game, he had 10 players that would account for nearly 90% of the next three years starting lineups. He didn't recruit the portal because he didn't need to recruit the portal.
But 43% of the starts over the last three years were by players that came to MU via the portal, and 4 of the 5 transfers were players who based on performance and reputation pre-MU would probably command NIL packages if they transferred now.
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The issue is how he built the team, versus how he's being credited for building the team.
Here's the reality:
- Inherited 5 quality players (Lewis, Oso, Elliott, Stevie & Kam) who accounted for 252 combined starts over Shaka's first three seasons.
- Took 5 transfers (Morsell, Kuath, Prosper, Kolek, & Wrightsil) who accounted for 223 combined starts.
- Recruited 10 players as HS frosh (Ellis, Itejere, Joplin, Jones, Ross, Gold, Norman, Amadou, Lowery, Hamilton) who combined for 49 starts.
Shaka had the luxury of zagging given that before he coached his first game, he had 10 players that would account for nearly 90% of the next three years starting lineups. He didn't recruit the portal because he didn't need to recruit the portal.
But 43% of the starts over the last three years were by players that came to MU via the portal, and 4 of the 5 transfers were players who based on performance and reputation pre-MU would probably command NIL packages if they transferred now.
Interesting observations.
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And again, you might want to look at what Purdue has done the past few years.
I'm not disagreeing that Shaka is an outlier. He's just not the only one.
Purdue had a transfer in their starting lineup this year.
Lance Jones.
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Right. And if for some reason he found himself again needing to fill more spots - let's say Kam did decide to turn pro this year and Chase got a whopper of an NIL offer to go home and play at TCU - he'd likely dive in pretty hard again rather than head into next season with a depleted roster.
Which is fine. I don't believe Shaka is as portal-averse as some here are trying to paint him.
To his credit he's been able to retain key players. And the lack of transfer activity is mostly a function of that, not some philosophical rigidity.
In support of your points above:
Year Zero Shaka brought in four key transfers
Year One Shaka Kicked tires on a lot of portal candidates, Only signed one . Had one MU transfer out. One MU Player went early to NBA
Year Two Shaka had some interest in various portal candidates there were no takers. One MU player went early to NBA Two Transferred Out
Year 3 Two going early to NBA. Rest of team staying so far . Haven't heard of any situations where there is a mutual portal interest yet. Doesn't mean one won't occur.
MU Alumni and Supporters don't have the NIL dollars necessary to buy talent, so Shaka building from within is a solid strategy. Shaka marketing the internal build versus buys as theme to attract high school talent.
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Interesting:
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1780323942449684559
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Not sure if this has been discussed here or anywhere else but would MU have any interest in Tyrese Hunter?
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Not sure if this has been discussed here or anywhere else but would MU have any interest in Tyrese Hunter?
I doubt it.
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Purdue had a transfer in their starting lineup this year.
Lance Jones.
Huge addition. They also had a 2 time NPOY.
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Huge addition. They also had a 2 time NPOY.
Edey is awesome. But also irrelevant to this point/topic.
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Huge addition. They also had a 2 time NPOY.
Lets stay on topic Muggs
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In support of your points above:
Year Zero Shaka brought in four key transfers
Year One Shaka Kicked tires on a lot of portal candidates, Only signed one . Had one MU transfer out. One MU Player went early to NBA
Year Two Shaka had some interest in various portal candidates there were no takers. One MU player went early to NBA Two Transferred Out
Year 3 Two going early to NBA. Rest of team staying so far . Haven't heard of any situations where there is a mutual portal interest yet. Doesn't mean one won't occur.
MU Alumni and Supporters don't have the NIL dollars necessary to buy talent, so Shaka building from within is a solid strategy. Shaka marketing the internal build versus buys as theme to attract high school talent.
Marquette has plenty of money to buy talent and retain talent. You’re wrong yet again about something. Pretty remarkable
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
Sign me up. What needs to be done?
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Purdue had a transfer in their starting lineup this year.
Lance Jones.
So did Marquette.
Tyler Kolek.
Jones is the only transfer Purdue has taken since 2019.
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
I doubt it.
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
Yep. Heard that as well. He has his own nice NIL deals already. Not looking just for the $$
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Yep. Heard that as well. He has his own nice NIL deals already. Not looking just for the $$
Yes, everyone should note, just because a player has a “no contact” tag does not mean they are necessarily just following their coach
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Avila offensively in Shaka system would be nice.
But he aint coming here
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Yep. Heard that as well. He has his own nice NIL deals already. Not looking just for the $$
Interesting. Any gut feeling from what you’ve heard?
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Interesting. Any gut feeling from what you’ve heard?
Gut feeling, don’t want to get ahead of myself but my source is very close to the program and I trust them. Not a done deal but there IS interest
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Nm
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Marquette has plenty of money to buy talent and retain talent. You’re wrong yet again about something. Pretty remarkable
I see sentiments like Herm's repeated here often. To clarify for any Marquette fan that isn't already aware: the more competitive advantages that require money, the better for MU. We're very high on this list of college basketball programs with available funding, behind only a small handful of schools.
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Gut feeling, don’t want to get ahead of myself but I would say my source is very close to the program. Not a done deal but there IS interest
Huh. Would be a pretty wild development. Pretty sure he does have a visit scheduled for SLU starting Thursday. If it were done deal he was going there, I’d suspect an announcement by the weekend at the latest. If not, curiosity piqued
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I see sentiments like Herm's repeated here often. To clarify for any Marquette fan that isn't already aware: the more competitive advantages that require money, the better for MU. We're very high on this list of college basketball programs with available funding, behind only a small handful of schools.
Whatever Herm says, it’s the opposite
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Huh. Would be a pretty wild development. Pretty sure he does have a visit scheduled for SLU starting Thursday. If it were done deal he was going there, I’d suspect an announcement by the weekend at the latest. If not, curiosity piqued
Yep. Having to take a visit could mean he is not sure. Many transfers dont take visits during the portal season.
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Avila would be an insane development. Glad to Marquette is at all involved.
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Avila would be an insane development. Glad to Marquette is at all involved.
Would be the drop the hammer pick-up. Let's hope this is possible.
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Would be the drop the hammer pick-up. Let's hope this is possible.
Lets club a couple sea lions for good luck
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When I saw that he was in the portal, I posted that he was probably Shaka's kind of big. Did so only because he's a good passer like Oso. Interesting that there is interest. I don't think he'd be a bad pick-up at all.
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Lets club a couple sea lions for good luck
WTH? Why are our marine mammals constantly threatened for no reason whatsoever?
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WTH? Why are our marine mammals constantly threatened for no reason whatsoever?
I mean I did give a reason
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So did Marquette.
Tyler Kolek.
Jones is the only transfer Purdue has taken since 2019.
There's a difference between a program starter that Kolek was and a plug and play like Jones is.
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There's a difference between a program starter that Kolek was and a plug and play like Jones is.
OK. Whatever hill you want to die on.
Can we assume these reports of Marquette reaching out to Avila, Saran and Hugley are false?
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OK. Whatever hill you want to die on.
Can we assume these reports of Marquette reaching out to Avila, Saran and Hugley are false?
Haha right?
“They’re going to make a documentary on how Shaka doesn’t take transfers.” (He has taken plenty.)
*Spongebob “A few moments later” meme:
“I got a great source as close to the program as possible says we might land Robbie Avila as a transfer!”
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OK. Whatever hill you want to die on.
Can we assume these reports of Marquette reaching out to Avila, Saran and Hugley are false?
No Shaka has said it is irresponsible to not check in, but that he won't recruit over his guys. Saran likely wouldn't be a starter this year so he makes sense and until Shaka actually adds a portal starter I'll assume it won't happen.
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So did Marquette.
Tyler Kolek.
Jones is the only transfer Purdue has taken since 2019.
They took David Jenkins in 2022. And Jahaad Proctor in 2019.
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
They’re wrong. He’s going to Saint Louis and nowhere else. And, entered the portal with a do not contact designation.
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They’re wrong. He’s going to Saint Louis and nowhere else
How do you know?
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How do you know?
Trilly Donovan
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They took David Jenkins in 2022. And Jahaad Proctor in 2019.
Jenkins wasn't on the 247 transfer list for some reason, but you're right. Maybe because he was a grad transfer?
Proctor ws 2019, and I wrote "since 2019," so ...
Anyhow, two transfers in four season isn't exactly hammering the portal. It's low even
for pre-portal/pre-NIL era.
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Haha right?
“They’re going to make a documentary on how Shaka doesn’t take transfers.” (He has taken plenty.)
*Spongebob “A few moments later” meme:
“I got a great source as close to the program as possible says we might land Robbie Avila as a transfer!”
(https://i.giphy.com/media/vL45Gljql7rTG/giphy.gif)
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Haha right?
“They’re going to make a documentary on how Shaka doesn’t take transfers.” (He has taken plenty.)
*Spongebob “A few moments later” meme:
“I got a great source as close to the program as possible says we might land Robbie Avila as a transfer!”
Talk about taking it out of context. Lmao.
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Talk about taking it out of context. Lmao.
What’s out of context here? Are those not two things you claimed, a couple of hours apart?
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What’s out of context here? Are those not two things you claimed, a couple of hours apart?
Shaka has said many times that he isn't taking transfers over the top of guys he already has. No one is saying the never used the transfer portal. You have to to start a program over. Now that the program is established his ideal way of building is through Freshman.
I also never made the claim about Avila lmao. You just are trying to create something that isn't there.
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They’re wrong. He’s going to Saint Louis and nowhere else. And, entered the portal with a do not contact designation.
All that means is that schools can't contact him unless he initiates contact. It means he has his own list of schools he is considering.
Trilly is wrong a lot.
Who knows what is the case here.
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Have heard from someone I trust close to the program there is mutual interest with Rob Avila.
Id get a new source
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They were a title contender the last two years
yeah, ok. I guess I missed those stellar tourney runs.
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yeah, ok. I guess I missed those stellar tourney runs.
I guess you need to look up the definition of “contender.”
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56-17 is the most wins in consecutive seasons in school history. Big East regular season and tourney champs, followed by getting upset in the sweet 16. Contenders.
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yeah, ok. I guess I missed those stellar tourney runs.
You said contender. They were.
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Haha right?
“They’re going to make a documentary on how Shaka doesn’t take transfers.” (He has taken plenty.)
*Spongebob “A few moments later” meme:
“I got a great source as close to the program as possible says we might land Robbie Avila as a transfer!”
It's kinda what he does, make some wild declaration that is easily proved false, then move the goalposts enough that if you really squint he might not be completely wrong. Its just like Oso and his mid range jumpers.
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Guys, this sounds like its going to be an awful documentary.
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Shaka has said many times that he isn't taking transfers over the top of guys he already has. No one is saying the never used the transfer portal. You have to to start a program over. Now that the program is established his ideal way of building is through Freshman.
I also never made the claim about Avila lmao. You just are trying to create something that isn't there.
Aaaaaaand Crickets...
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Aaaaaaand Crickets...
Uh...you didn't ask a question.
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It's kinda what he does, make some wild declaration that is easily proved false, then move the goalposts enough that if you really squint he might not be completely wrong. Its just like Oso and his mid range jumpers.
Hahaha move the goalposts? You people are idiots.
Wade's claimed that I said Shaka doesn't take transfers. Wrong. I said he doesn't take transfers over the top of his guys.
Wade's then claimed I said I know someone who said Robbie Avila and Marquette have mutual interest. He literally just made that up because I never said that.
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Hahaha move the goalposts? You people are idiots.
Wade's claimed that I said Shaka doesn't take transfers. Wrong. I said he doesn't take transfers over the top of his guys.
Wade's then claimed I said I know someone who said Robbie Avila and Marquette have mutual interest. He literally just made that up because I never said that.
He never said that you said it.
He said that after making your wild claim. That it was then noted regarding Avila by posters.
For the record tho, the Avila thing isn’t true at all
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He never said that you said it.
He said that after making your wild claim. That it was then noted regarding Avila by posters.
For the record tho, the Avila thing isn’t true at all
Haha right?
“They’re going to make a documentary on how Shaka doesn’t take transfers.” (He has taken plenty.)
*Spongebob “A few moments later” meme:
“I got a great source as close to the program as possible says we might land Robbie Avila as a transfer!”
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He never said that you said it.
He said that after making your wild claim. That it was then noted regarding Avila by posters.
For the record tho, the Avila thing isn’t true at all
Everything about what he said is just completely wrong. Instead of actually reading what I say...he frames it in his mind how he wants it to be read.
I never said Marquette will never take transfers. I've simply restated what Shaka has said that they won't take a transfer over someone they already have available.
I also never made the Avila claim which he clearly insinuated.
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Someone on Trilly’s discord said MU likely hosting 6’5 German guard Maximilian Lamgenfield for a visit next week or so
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Hahaha move the goalposts? You people are idiots.
Wade's claimed that I said Shaka doesn't take transfers. Wrong. I said he doesn't take transfers over the top of his guys.
Wade's then claimed I said I know someone who said Robbie Avila and Marquette have mutual interest. He literally just made that up because I never said that.
Nice try. Your actual original claim.
Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while
A) retaining every rotational player
AND
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
A). Greg, which you shifted goalposts to support your argument.
B.) TKO, OMax, which you shifted goalposts to support your argument.
Goalpost shift receipts.
Greg Elliott was the one that was essentially forced out.
There's a difference between a program starter that Kolek was and a plug and play like Jones is.
Evan after your goalpost shift, Morsell and Kur clearly fit the "plug and play" mold. I await where they'll move next.
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I never said Marquette will never take transfers. I've simply restated what Shaka has said that they won't take a transfer over someone they already have available.
Can you show us where Shaka said this?
Seems that if MU did reach out to a 5th year player like Hugley, it's not to be the 13th man.
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Can you show us where Shaka said this?
Seems that if MU did reach out to a 5th year player like Hugley, it's not to be the 13th man.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
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Thank you for the receipts.
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Nice try. Your actual original claim.
A). Greg, which you shifted goalposts to support your argument.
B.) TKO, OMax, which you shifted goalposts to support your argument.
Goalpost shift receipts.
Evan after your goalpost shift, Morsell and Kur clearly fit the "plug and play" mold. I await where they'll move next.
TK and OMax were program starters. Come on keep up here.
Who did Kolek, Morsell, Kuath, and OMax come in over the top of that Shaka already had a connection with? No one.
He restarted the program with transfers. You have to. Now he he'd rather retain his players. This is not as difficult as you make it seem to keep up.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-how-marquette-became-one-of-college-basketballs-best-teams-despite-shunning-transfer-portal/
https://twitter.com/DariusJoshuaTV/status/1514311512323731466?t=oUetwViQGQeECJiQLaCh2g&s=19
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1666807227104256000?t=mn8No0u8Dx_omxOUDtZd_A&s=19
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TK and OMax were program starters. Come on keep up here.
This is not what you originally said though, hence the goalpost shift. In case you forgot, this again is what you said.
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
TKO, Omax, Morsell and Kur were all "of substance".
Keep doubling down though.
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Someone on Trilly’s discord said MU likely hosting 6’5 German guard Maximilian Lamgenfield for a visit next week or so
This isn’t the place for portal news
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The key quote in that article was this:
"If we can bring in a transfer that makes sense for us that we think is a cultural fit for us, and he really wants to be at Marquette and be part of something bigger than himself, great. Let's do that," Smart said. "But if some guys try to come in here for a straight transaction, what can you do for me? What can I do for you? Yeah, we're good."
Shaka would have absolutely no problem bringing in a transfer who would receive substantial NIL money, by saying something like this:
"We absolutely will continue leaning on the recruit-develop-retain model to build our program, but we feel very fortunate to be able to bring in a high-character player who fits our culture perfectly like (insert transfer's name here). Coming to play at Marquette was far more than just a financial transaction to him. We're excited to add a team-first warrior to our program."
Shaka HAS looked at transfers - guys he would have to commit some NIL $$$ to. So I'm guessing he's prepared to explain himself when asked to do so. Shaka's a pretty bright guy. Some might even call him Smart.
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This is not what you originally said though, hence the goalpost shift. In case you forgot, this again is what you said.
TKO, Omax, Morsell and Kur were all "of substance".
Keep doubling down though.
My stance on this thread has always been the same.
"Shaka has said time and time again that he isn't recruiting the portal over guys he already has and I imagine the lineup you saw starting last night is what they are starting next year."
I'm not saying he'll never have to use the portal or no one will ever transfer out, but if Shaka has his way with player retention how he envisions it and how it has gone since he took over here, then the portal won't be used how many of you want it to be.
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The key quote in that article was this:
"If we can bring in a transfer that makes sense for us that we think is a cultural fit for us, and he really wants to be at Marquette and be part of something bigger than himself, great. Let's do that," Smart said. "But if some guys try to come in here for a straight transaction, what can you do for me? What can I do for you? Yeah, we're good."
Shaka would have absolutely no problem bringing in a transfer who would receive substantial NIL money, by saying something like this:
"We absolutely will continue leaning on the recruit-develop-retain model to build our program, but we feel very fortunate to be able to bring in a high-character player who fits our culture perfectly like (insert transfer's name here). Coming to play at Marquette was far more than just a financial transaction to him. We're excited to add a team-first warrior to our program."
Shaka HAS looked at transfers - guys he would have to commit some NIL $$$ to. So I'm guessing he's prepared to explain himself when asked to do so. Shaka's a pretty bright guy. Some might even call him Smart.
Yup!
But you missed another important piece to the story.
"You ain't getting a lot of these guys unless they're getting some sort of bag," Smart said. "Number one, we weren't in position to do that. Number two, we're not comfortable doing that. Number three, we didn't want to ever prioritize some random guy from the Mountain West Conference over our current players. That's ludicrous to me."
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I'm not saying he'll never have to use the portal or no one will ever transfer out, but if Shaka has his way with player retention how he envisions it and how it has gone since he took over here, then the portal won't be used how many of you want it to be.
I agree, but this is absolutely not what you said when you were asked to clarify your comments about Shaka's upcoming documentary.
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I agree, but this is absolutely not what you said when you were asked to clarify your comments about Shaka's upcoming documentary.
I said that no one has done it like him.
No one has prioritized player retention without adding portal players to the rotation like he has. I believe that is true. If you don't...fine.
I know he has taken transfers and probably will again at some point if his retention strategy is challenged, but if you can't see that the transfers he took on were to jumpstart a program (out of necessity) compared to now when he has the retention working then I don't know what to tell you.
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Ah, scoop in the off season.
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I said that no one has done it like him.
No one has prioritized player retention without adding portal players to the rotation like he has. I believe that is true. If you don't...fine.
I know he has taken transfers and probably will again at some point if his retention strategy is challenged, but if you can't see that the transfers he took on were to jumpstart a program (out of necessity) compared to now when he has the retention working then I don't know what to tell you.
Once again, I (mostly) agree with what you are saying now. But, once again, it is absolutely not what you said when you were asked to clarify what the Shaka documentary was going to be about.
Finding repeated success (Top 25 and NCAA Tournament annually) while
A) retaining every rotational player
AND
B) not taking on any transfers of "substance"
Both A, and B are not true. No matter what you say now after the fact, they will never be true.
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Ah, scoop in the off season.
slow day in the basement, apparently
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You said contender. They were.
slow morning in the basement? btw, do you have a job? Are you and Sultan the same person?
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slow morning in the basement? btw, do you have a job? Are you and Sultan the same person?
Why do you always get so defensive?
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Mack officially to Gtown.
If we were to get someone Mahaney would be the guy. Ain’t happening but would love it
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slow morning in the basement? btw, do you have a job? Are you and Sultan the same person?
They were contenders this year. And last year.
It’s not really a debate.
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Mack officially to Gtown.
If we were to get someone Mahaney would be the guy. Ain’t happening but would love it
St. Mary’s assistant that recruited him just took a job at Michigan.
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One thing to keep in mind about Avila, he did play AAU for Chicago Meanstreets, pretty sure Jerel is heavily involved with the program
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One thing to keep in mind about Avila, he did play AAU for Chicago Meanstreets, pretty sure Jerel is heavily involved with the program
Avila ain’t happening
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Avila ain’t happening
I forgot, you know everything my fault
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I forgot, you know everything my fault
Nope I just know he’s not coming here
You’re either trolling, being trolled or your unnamed source is being trolled
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One thing to keep in mind about Avila, he did play AAU for Chicago Meanstreets, pretty sure Jerel is heavily involved with the program
I would be a bit surprised in MU took Avila in the portal. I do not see Shaka taking anyone who would expect to start ahead of Mitchell, Kam, Chase, Jop, or Gold. Those guys have paid their dues. A rotational player or a player with coming in as an underclassmen would seem to make more sense. If the Max Langenfeld has three years of eligibility, I could see him fitting. In any event, I'll trust Shaka.
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
So that'd be the 13th scholarship.
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So that'd be the 13th scholarship.
Dung in shambles
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
6'6", 195. Guard? PG? Looks to be a decent shooter, not sure the competition.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Maximilian-Langenfeld/531810
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Anybody know how this came about? I'm always intrigued by how these international prospects are found.
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
My German co-worker is from Ulm. I just hung with him the last 2 days here in Dusseldorf.
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Anybody know how this came about? I'm always intrigued by how these international prospects are found.
Saw Germantown on the map
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Saw Germantown on the map
Lol nice.
Looks like a very poor man’s Dalton Knecht to me.
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Might be a fixture at Estabrook Beer Garden this summer.
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Shaka must've closed the deal at Mader's.
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Shaka must've closed the deal at Mader's.
nightcap at OGBH
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
I wish I could remember more from German class than "Wo ist MoniKa?".
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Shared a few days in the Recruiting Thread...
https://www.youtube.com/v/80XmwgidPBo
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6'6", 195. Guard? PG? Looks to be a decent shooter, not sure the competition.
https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Maximilian-Langenfeld/531810
I'm going to try a deeper dig, but as I recall, Maxi averaged 24 ppg/6 rpg/3 apg in the German B League, which is a combination pro/amateur league. Also shot over 40% from deep.
It's just one comparison, but Oregon State forward Michael Rataj averaged 11/5 in the same league before joining the Beavers. He was immediately a spot starter & 20+ mpg guy in their lineup as a freshman (Maxi is a sophomore) and regular starter this past year. Averaged 7.2/4.9 in two years at OSU.
My guess is Maxi will at least have a chance to contribute immediately.
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This has seemingly been in the works since before the banquet, but according to the German side of things, Maxi Langenfeld is transferring to Marquette.
https://x.com/rupertfabig/status/1780525276163604820?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
BAM??? Immediate contributor?
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BAM??? Immediate contributor?
Dude. Read the thread.
The guy your quoting posted just above you his exact breakdown of what he knows currently
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But where? In place of whom? This makes sense if there is about to be a departure we don't know about.
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Who knows who to believe, but this guy says Max is not coming to MU: https://twitter.com/ts06122016/status/1780565474146738411
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I'm going to try a deeper dig,
I hope we just go with Max. Regardless, look forward to more analysis of this Maxi lad's efficiency. :o
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Who knows who to believe, but this guy says Max is not coming to MU: https://twitter.com/ts06122016/status/1780565474146738411
Seeing how I know he is coming to visit the US soon. (He is likely coming to Marquette)
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Who knows who to believe, but this guy says Max is not coming to MU: https://twitter.com/ts06122016/status/1780565474146738411
German is a bit rusty, but I think he's the GM of Ulm. Hard to dispute if true.
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Seeing how I know he is coming to visit the US soon. (He is likely coming to Marquette)
That definitely makes sense and is logical. I am just at a point of wait and see since there is so much fake information regarding portal players nowadays.
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That definitely makes sense and is logical. I am just at a point of wait and see since there is so much fake information regarding portal players nowadays.
Prudent.
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I wish I could remember more from German class than "Wo ist MoniKa?".
(Monika ist im Boot.)
Wohin geht Peter?
Ist die Post offen, Otto?
Wann kommt Benno?
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Anybody know how this came about? I'm always intrigued by how these international prospects are found.
Coach Hatt was the lead. Not sure how he got connected
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(Monika ist im Boot.)
Wohin geht Peter?
Ist die Post offen, Otto?
Wann kommt Benno?
Im Boot. An den See?
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Im Boot. An den See?
Ja!
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German is a bit rusty, but I think he's the GM of Ulm. Hard to dispute if true.
Maybe. Or maybe he doesn't want to lose his guy. Maxi it's coming for a visit. I doubt he's flying transatlantic if there isn't a chance he'll commit
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Why do you always get so defensive?
it’s all love, Sultan… er Rico, or whoever you are
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They were contenders this year. And last year.
It’s not really a debate.
I’d never debate you Sultan Rico.
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Will he be living at the Maxi Pad?
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Yup!
But you missed another important piece to the story.
"You ain't getting a lot of these guys unless they're getting some sort of bag," Smart said. "Number one, we weren't in position to do that. Number two, we're not comfortable doing that. Number three, we didn't want to ever prioritize some random guy from the Mountain West Conference over our current players. That's ludicrous to me."
Yup!
They're all getting some sort of bag. Little bag, medium bag, large bag, huge bag. The collective has the money to provide "some sort of bag." He said we "weren't" in position to do that - meaning drop a huge bag on a big name. And the Mountain West thing is obvious, and nobody will disagree with it.
None of which means I think Shaka is gonna sign a bunch of players from the portal. But I have little doubt that he's always looking and that he'd take the right (in his mind) player or two, and that it would be an easy sell without him seeming like a hypocrite.
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Ja!
Yes?
(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/presto/2019/03/22/PMJS/4d96bec4-8e7e-4449-a9ce-979760ebf158-GAN_20190321_brf_sv3_0506.JPG?width=1200&disable=upscale&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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I'm going to try a deeper dig, but as I recall, Maxi averaged 24 ppg/6 rpg/3 apg in the German B League, which is a combination pro/amateur league. Also shot over 40% from deep.
It's just one comparison, but Oregon State forward Michael Rataj averaged 11/5 in the same league before joining the Beavers. He was immediately a spot starter & 20+ mpg guy in their lineup as a freshman (Maxi is a sophomore) and regular starter this past year. Averaged 7.2/4.9 in two years at OSU.
My guess is Maxi will at least have a chance to contribute immediately.
How is this determined for NCAA eligibility purposes? Is it based on high school graduation? It looks like Maxi will be 21 before next season starts, which is the same age as most juniors.
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I would think teams that use the portal will win more titles. Pretty obvious.
I mean, unless it is a real can't miss HS guy, the top portal guy is always gonna have a better year than the top freshman. The top 50 portal guys are gonna have better seasons than the top freshman by a wide margin.
Getting 5 of the top portal guys will give you a much better chance for a title than getting 5 of the top freshman. (Ahem, Duke & UK).
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Jockey
I agree for the most part. I am hoping Shaka ends up utilizing the portal a bit more or I will need to lower my expectations a bit moving forward. It just seems to me that relying on HS recruits year in year out is going to be a difficult challenge. Not saying it cannot be done, but not much room for recruiting mistakes, especially ones you need to live with for 2-3 years.
I'll say it again, there is no way that I believe the portal will not be a recruiting tool at MU. Shaka is a smart guy and will likely figure out how to use the portal without disrupting the culture at MU.
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How is this determined for NCAA eligibility purposes? Is it based on high school graduation? It looks like Maxi will be 21 before next season starts, which is the same age as most juniors.
I don't know the details, but was told he'll have three years eligibility left.
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Im Boot. An den See?
Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof.
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How is this determined for NCAA eligibility purposes? Is it based on high school graduation? It looks like Maxi will be 21 before next season starts, which is the same age as most juniors.
Likely a situation of the five year rule coming into play. Two years out of HS/ equivalent, so three years left for potential competition. Unless he’s like been on a Mormon mission or fighting in a war
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Will he be living at the Maxi Pad?
(https://i.giphy.com/NQywixima1mrEyRC1X.webp)
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Yes?
(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/presto/2019/03/22/PMJS/4d96bec4-8e7e-4449-a9ce-979760ebf158-GAN_20190321_brf_sv3_0506.JPG?width=1200&disable=upscale&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Hey, that was right after Joey got the bag, aina?
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Saw Germantown on the map
He heard Karl Ratsch's was still open. Also a fan of Sheboygans Brat Fest.
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Never understimate the appeal of Germanfest down at the lakefront.
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UConn lands Michigan's Tarris Reed out of the portal.
Georgetown closes the deal on Harvard's Malik Mack--someone earlier predicted it was likely to happen.
Meanwhile, Villanova's TJ Bamba enters the portal.
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He heard Karl Ratsch's was still open. Also a fan of Sheboygans Brat Fest.
What happened to Karl Ratsch's?
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(Monika ist im Boot.)
Wohin geht Peter?
Ist die Post offen, Otto?
Wann kommt Benno?
What was that place on the South Side that had the "boots" of Weiss Beer? That place was an institution. It has to be still around?
I know it is a stretch.... We are talking 30+ years ago.
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What was that place on the South Side that had the "boots" of Weiss Beer? That place was an institution. It has to be still around?
I know it is a stretch.... We are talking 30+ years ago.
Zur Krone.
And it closed awhile ago. But that is the place that we would go to right we graduated when we had some money. Before Walker's Point got hip like it is now.
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What happened to Karl Ratsch's?
Don't know. Is it still open?
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Pour a little out for John Ernst while we are at it.
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Pour a little out for John Ernst while we are at it.
So between Karl Ratsch's, John Ernst, and Mader's which was the best eats and who had the best 🍺?
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Ratsch's and John Ernst closed. Maders is way overpriced.
My vote for current places would be Kegel's on National Avenue.
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So between Karl Ratsch's, John Ernst, and Mader's which was the best eats and who had the best 🍺?
I loved how understated Ernst was. I thought they had the best food of the three, too, but I hardly had a well-defined palate back then.
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Dre Davis to Ole Miss.
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Ratsch's and John Ernst closed. Maders is way overpriced.
My vote for current places would be Kegel's on National Avenue.
Kegel is a bit our of the way for MU students and ballers.
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I loved how understated Ernst was. I thought they had the best food of the three, too, but I hardly had a well-defined palate back then.
What did you order?
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Dre Davis to Ole Miss.
WTF? Why?
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WTF? Why?
Their coach is good at beating his opponets
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WTF? Why?
I imagine Chris Beard.
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I imagine Chris Beard.
Bizarre.
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Why the consternation?
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Bizarre.
You are one strange fella
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You are one strange fella
Ole Miss?? That's puzzling to me regardless of Beard.
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Then think of it as Ole Mi$$.
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Then think of it as Ole Mi$$.
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Okay. This is unfortunate for college hoops in general.
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Where would you have liked him to go?
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Where would you have liked him to go?
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Why not stay at the Hall? Or go to a hoops school?
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Okay. This is unfortunate for college hoops in general.
Its unfortunate for the game of college basketball that a player went to Ole Miss??
No, I think basketball will survive just fine with this development
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Its unfortunate for the game of college basketball that a player went to Ole Miss??
No, I think basketball will survive just fine with this development
Bold statement. Basketball players have only been going to Ole Miss for *checks notes* 114 seasons. Hardly enough time to declare that basketball can just survive something like that.
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Bold statement. Basketball players have only been going to Ole Miss for *checks notes* 114 seasons. Hardly enough time to declare that basketball can just survive something like that.
Excuse me for overlooking their storied basketball history.
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Excuse me for overlooking their storied basketball history.
The joke isn't that Ole Miss has or doesn't have a storied basketball history. The joke is that Dre Davis is nothing special. Not bad but not great. Much better players have gone to Ole Miss before. Much worse players have played for "basketball schools". There's really nothing noteworthy about this.
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The joke isn't that Ole Miss has or doesn't have a storied basketball history. The joke is that Dre Davis is nothing special. Not bad but not great. Much better players have gone to Ole Miss before. Much worse players have played for "basketball schools". There's really nothing noteworthy about this.
What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
Yeah they never were before.
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
Can you share with all of us the picture of your rock? Must be gigantic.
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Providence and Oregon the reported leaders for UW-Milwaukee star BJ Freeman
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
Why is that noteworthy?
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
they were getting paid all throughout early 80s pre SMU death penalty. They just gave out smaller benefits so they went unnoticed.
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
Every reply you make to defend your comment is odder than the next.
Players have already been being bought. Whether Davis chose Ole Miss or not. He himself would have been "bought" whereever he went.
Actually, based off your gripe its actually more positive that a player of Davis caliber only ended up at Ole Miss.
Absolutely bonkers to be upset about a program that didnt even make the tourney last year getting a solid player instead of one of the usual more threatening teams.
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
Good! Hope he is being compensated well.
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Rented.
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Yea, I'm definitely anti-slavery. You shouldn't be able to just go out there and buy a person.
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Every reply you make to defend your comment is odder than the next.
Players have already been being bought. Whether Davis chose Ole Miss or not. He himself would have been "bought" whereever he went.
Actually, based off your gripe its actually more positive that a player of Davis caliber only ended up at Ole Miss.
Absolutely bonkers to be upset about a program that didnt even make the tourney last year getting a solid player instead of one of the usual more threatening teams.
You and others are wasting your time by replying rationally.
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No one ever wastes their time replying rationally. Even if the recipient/audience is inherently irrational, doing the right thing is its own reward.
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No one ever wastes their time replying rationally. Even if the recipient/audience is inherently irrational, doing the right thing is its own reward.
I stand corrected. Especially after taking "inherently irrational" into account. ;D
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they were getting paid all throughout early 80s pre SMU death penalty. They just gave out smaller benefits so they went unnoticed.
John Wooden was paying players. It didn't start in the 80s.
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John Wooden was paying players. It didn't start in the 80s.
Plus scumbag men have been beating the crap out of women for ... well forever, so nothing new here. Ole'Miss is just steeped in tradition.
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Yea, I'm definitely anti-slavery. You shouldn't be able to just go out there and buy a person.
<south park Student Ath-ooo-lete picture>
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What's noteworthy is players are being bought.
I recently read that Davis has a kid. Can't blame the guy for going to the highest bidder.
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Chucky Hepburn to the portal?
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Here is the big east transfer portal tracker if any are interested: https://twitter.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1779528585813868849
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Chucky Hepburn to the portal?
Where did you see this? :)
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Where did you see this? :)
Just the rumor making its rounds. Same thing happened last year so could be nothing, but heard it from more than one Badger friend.
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Here is the big east transfer portal tracker if any are interested: https://twitter.com/ryancassidycbb/status/1779528585813868849
https://srating.io/cbb/ranking?view=transfer
Here is something a little more fancy for anyone interested. Sortable by stats, etc.
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I saw that Eric Dixon played in Portsmouth yesterday. That used to be an event that only players who had used all their eligibility could play in. I had read that he was going to explore the draft process but retain his eligibility. I didn’t think players could do that and still play in Portsmouth. I realize things have changed drastically the last few years, but is that still the case?
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I saw that Eric Dixon played in Portsmouth yesterday. That used to be an event that only players who had used all their eligibility could play in. I had read that he was going to explore the draft process but retain his eligibility. I didn’t think players could do that and still play in Portsmouth. I realize things have changed drastically the last few years, but is that still the case?
I think that was just a choice/policy by the PTI — “only seniors in good academic standings”.
That’s still their policy.. so becomes a question of what do THEY define as a senior.
Their acceptance form this year specifically called out “Seniors who have one year of eligibility remaining due to the fall 2020 Covid year decision”… and warns that playing may adversely impact their ability to return to competition in college
Prob a good indication he gowne
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I think that was just a choice/policy by the PTI — “only seniors in good academic standings”.
That’s still their policy.. so becomes a question of what do THEY define as a senior.
Their acceptance form this year specifically called out “Seniors who have one year of eligibility remaining due to the fall 2020 Covid year decision”… and warns that playing may adversely impact their ability to return to competition in college
Prob a good indication he gowne
What happens there that would impact their ability to participate in college ball? Are they compensated somehow?
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Just the rumor making its rounds. Same thing happened last year so could be nothing, but heard it from more than one Badger friend.
Gabriel Hepburn to Michigan State is the rumor. https://twitter.com/barryisthedon/status/1780994277616587248
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Izzo using the portal? Watching an entire season of erratic shooting changes a man.
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Izzo using the portal? Watching an entire season of erratic shooting changes a man.
LOL. He apparently is using the portal now. Could be Fidler also - who Gard is also targeting. Either way, it hurts Bucky and I am just fine with this outcome.
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LOL. He apparently is using the portal now. Could be Fidler also - who Gard is also targeting. Either way, it hurts Bucky and I am just fine with this outcome.
I think this is it. He was originally going to announce this past Monday, with Madison as the perceived leader. Visited MSU last weekend, and then delayed his announcement to tbd. I have no idea where he'll go, but apparently the MSU visit went well enough for him to reconsider things.
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What happens there that would impact their ability to participate in college ball? Are they compensated somehow?
Multitude of issues.
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Multitude of issues.
Let's all bow to this guy and his incredible insights.
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AJ Storr to Kansas. Hope he knows he is going there for the school and not the coach or hoops program
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AJ Storr to Kansas. Hope he knows he is going there for the school and not the coach or hoops program
Changed his mind once his gf also committed there
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Hepburn in the PORTAL
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1781017212863578525?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
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Hepburn in the PORTAL
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1781017212863578525?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
I guess his last NIL payment from Wisconsin must have cleared.
Post May 1 roster bonuses might not be too far behind.
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Turns out if was something this time eh?
A damn shame. Daaaaaamn shame.
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So that's Storr, Hepburn, Wahl and Essegian among the rodents scurrying out of Madison, right? Anyone else?
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So that's Storr, Hepburn, Wahl and Essegian among the rodents scurrying out of Madison, right? Anyone else?
Yalden and Lindsey as well.
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And no additions thus far. So right now that's a Crowl, Klesmit, Blackwell, McGee? Gilmore? starting 5?
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And no additions thus far. So right now that's a Crowl, Klesmit, Blackwell, McGee? Gilmore? starting 5?
TBH...why would Crowl and Klesmit want to stay?
Klesmit the hometown kid maaaaaybe...but at what cost?
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And no additions thus far. So right now that's a Crowl, Klesmit, Blackwell, McGee? Gilmore? starting 5?
UW 63
MU 59
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Fidler and Hepburn a package deal. At least that is what they are telling teams.
MSU or Creighton are the 2 spots.
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So that's Storr, Hepburn, Wahl and Essegian among the rodents scurrying out of Madison, right? Anyone else?
To be fair, Wahl is out of eligibility.
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Fidler and Hepburn a package deal. At least that is what they are telling teams.
MSU or Creighton are the 2 spots.
MSU would be great.
ETR is posting that Hepburn is asking for more $ than Storr got at KS.
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UW 63
MU 59
They always find a way
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And no additions thus far. So right now that's a Crowl, Klesmit, Blackwell, McGee? Gilmore? starting 5?
The freshman Freitag might be the starter at PG.
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MSU would be great.
ETR is posting that Hepburn is asking for more $ than Storr got at KS.
Eric the Red doesn’t know squat. I think a good chunk of Badger fans have realized he just posts these things to defend UW-Madison in all they do
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The freshman Freitag might be the starter at PG.
They’re treating Freitag like he’s the next Luka
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Freitag is very good. Not your typical uw-Madison type player
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To be fair, Wahl is out of eligibility.
What? Now we're supposed to be fair?
Seriously, thanks for the clarification.
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Just the rumor making its rounds. Same thing happened last year so could be nothing, but heard it from more than one Badger friend.
These same people also think UW will make a run at Shaka when Gard is ultimately canned in the near future.
>eye roll<
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Izzo using the portal? Watching an entire season of erratic shooting changes a man.
No competition anymore for the ESPN 30 on 30 "How Not to use the Portal" featuring Shaka Smart
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Eric the Red doesn’t know squat. I think a good chunk of Badger fans have realized he just posts these things to defend UW-Madison in all they do
I think he's LARPing as a message board insider. The real insiders keep things a little closer to the vest.
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I think he's LARPing as a message board insider. The real insiders keep things a little closer to the vest.
Wisconsin crying poor is a load of crap. Truth is, if Hepburn does have a stupid deal available, I’d let him walk, too. Guy ain’t exactly a difference maker and wouldn’t surprise me if they found someone better.
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No competition anymore for the ESPN 30 on 30 "How Not to use the Portal" featuring Shaka Smart
Shaka used the portal plenty. He has one spot available this off-season. It appears the focus is on the kid from Germany.
He used the portal to bring in TyKo, OMax, Kur, Morsell and Wrightsail.
Also, the portal isn’t closed. Entirely possible they have someone(s) who may leave.
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Wisconsin crying poor is a load of crap. Truth is, if Hepburn does have a stupid deal available, I’d let him walk, too. Guy ain’t exactly a difference maker and wouldn’t surprise me if they found someone better.
…he beat us 3x’s, Sultan/Rico. Glad he’s gone. Let the SS Badger sink.
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…he beat us 3x’s, Sultan/Rico. Glad he’s gone. Let the SS Badger sink.
🙄
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Buckyville melting down. Saying they’ve lost interest in college basketball. Let the apathy set in.
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Buckyville melting down. Saying they’ve lost interest in college basketball. Let the apathy set in.
To be fair, they are used to having a stable roster, predictable turnover, and being able to mock MU on the transfer front. Their world is rocked and they are not comfortable learning about karma.
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Hepburn will help a good team.
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Buckyville melting down. Saying they’ve lost interest in college basketball. Let the apathy set in.
There will be a share of that. I don’t necessarily blame fans if they lose interest in a sport where your roster is turning over whole seemingly each year.
Their angst should be directed at the AD (current and former) and presidents (current and former) who missed the flashing red lights of change
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I have lurked on Buckyville before. Just read it. I don't see it as "melting down" over the loss of a single player. And, my experience with Eric the Red is that he is reasonably well informed. I believe he has a background in journalism, so he probably has sources/connections and knows how to use them.
I see the reaction on buckyville as a frustration and natural reaction to a really crappy system at the moment. This has all devolved into day-to-day, week-to-week, year-to-year roster chaos everywhere. It is very much a turnoff to many fans. Part of the fun of college sports was watching a team grow together, players developing over 3-5 years. Now it is all hired guns. Not as interested in that.
I am all for players making money. They should have been all along. But, I don't know if this is a sustainable enterprise as currently constructed. Yes, the sport will lose fans. Fans who were once avid followers may become more casual. Casual fans will become disinterested. If it's all going to be pro sports with roster chaos, why don't I just focus on the best pro sports and watch the NBA?
I am a fan transitioning from avid to casual. I mean, I am posting on a damn message board. And, I am quickly losing interest. Guessing there are many, many more like me.
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We can always use more real Marquette fans, Nutty. Welcome to the superior program, and superior fan board.
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Hepburn will help a good team.
Strange, I think he hurt UW as much as he helped them last year.
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I have lurked on Buckyville before. Just read it. I don't see it as "melting down" over the loss of a single player. And, my experience with Eric the Red is that he is reasonably well informed. I believe he has a background in journalism, so he probably has sources/connections and knows how to use them.
I see the reaction on buckyville as a frustration and natural reaction to a really crappy system at the moment. This has all devolved into day-to-day, week-to-week, year-to-year roster chaos everywhere. It is very much a turnoff to many fans. Part of the fun of college sports was watching a team grow together, players developing over 3-5 years. Now it is all hired guns. Not as interested in that.
I am all for players making money. They should have been all along. But, I don't know if this is a sustainable enterprise as currently constructed. Yes, the sport will lose fans. Fans who were once avid followers may become more casual. Casual fans will become disinterested. If it's all going to be pro sports with roster chaos, why don't I just focus on the best pro sports and watch the NBA?
I am a fan transitioning from avid to casual. I mean, I am posting on a damn message board. And, I am quickly losing interest. Guessing there are many, many more like me.
Here's the thing though. If UW goes out and gets a couple of really good guys in the portal I'm sure interest will perk back up. What has to happen is that UW needs to play the game. If they don't, they'll be left behind... and not only in basketball.
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To be fair, they are used to having a stable roster, predictable turnover, and being able to mock MU on the transfer front. Their world is rocked and they are not comfortable learning about karma.
it’s a beautiful thing
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I have lurked on Buckyville before. Just read it. I don't see it as "melting down" over the loss of a single player. And, my experience with Eric the Red is that he is reasonably well informed. I believe he has a background in journalism, so he probably has sources/connections and knows how to use them.
I see the reaction on buckyville as a frustration and natural reaction to a really crappy system at the moment. This has all devolved into day-to-day, week-to-week, year-to-year roster chaos everywhere. It is very much a turnoff to many fans. Part of the fun of college sports was watching a team grow together, players developing over 3-5 years. Now it is all hired guns. Not as interested in that.
I am all for players making money. They should have been all along. But, I don't know if this is a sustainable enterprise as currently constructed. Yes, the sport will lose fans. Fans who were once avid followers may become more casual. Casual fans will become disinterested. If it's all going to be pro sports with roster chaos, why don't I just focus on the best pro sports and watch the NBA?
I am a fan transitioning from avid to casual. I mean, I am posting on a damn message board. And, I am quickly losing interest. Guessing there are many, many more like me.
We will see. All sorts of things were predicted to turn off fans. That has generally not happened.
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Here's the thing though. If UW goes out and gets a couple of really good guys in the portal I'm sure interest will perk back up. What has to happen is that UW needs to play the game. If they don't, they'll be left behind... and not only in basketball.
They’re spending plenty on football transfers and let’s not act like AJ Storr came to Madison because of the academics. He got a bag to play there
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My BADger co-workers are saying that UW-Madison doesn't have the money, that's why they're losing all these guys. LOL.
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Freitag is very good. Not your typical uw-Madison type player
Have you watched their other commit? Robison?
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My BADger co-workers are saying that UW-Madison doesn't have the money, that's why they're losing all these guys. LOL.
Well, that’s because most of their alumni seem to work in radio
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I have lurked on Buckyville before. Just read it. I don't see it as "melting down" over the loss of a single player. And, my experience with Eric the Red is that he is reasonably well informed. I believe he has a background in journalism, so he probably has sources/connections and knows how to use them.
I see the reaction on buckyville as a frustration and natural reaction to a really crappy system at the moment. This has all devolved into day-to-day, week-to-week, year-to-year roster chaos everywhere. It is very much a turnoff to many fans. Part of the fun of college sports was watching a team grow together, players developing over 3-5 years. Now it is all hired guns. Not as interested in that.
I am all for players making money. They should have been all along. But, I don't know if this is a sustainable enterprise as currently constructed. Yes, the sport will lose fans. Fans who were once avid followers may become more casual. Casual fans will become disinterested. If it's all going to be pro sports with roster chaos, why don't I just focus on the best pro sports and watch the NBA?
I am a fan transitioning from avid to casual. I mean, I am posting on a damn message board. And, I am quickly losing interest. Guessing there are many, many more like me.
I agree with your take. The Badger system isn’t an all that exciting brand of ball, although they did avg more pts per than in recent seasons. Players want more of a shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot system. And, the hired gun pay me environment we are in currently is hurting as many programs as it helps, imo. (Id say we are fortunate to have the continuity we’ve had at MU). As far as fan interest, I sense a slide. I’m not going to rehash my take of a few months back on NIL and how that might influence fan interest, but my personal fandom is less impassioned than in years past. Don’t get me wrong, pulling for a F4, beat RED and all that, but maybe not so edge of seat these days. btw, and on a side note, I heard where the WIAA (WI Interscholastic Athletic Assoc.) has had discussion around a form of NIL at the HS level. The WIAA executive director is Stephanie Hauser…Sam/Joey’s mom.
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I've read a lot of suggestions that Hepburn would likely head home and play for Creighton.
Maybe . But I just don't think Chuck has enough "game" to play for McDermott in the Big East. Creighton usually has talented guards and I just don't see it here. Sure, he has his moments, but watching him closely at UW during his time there, leaves me underwhelmed.
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I've read a lot of suggestions that Hepburn would likely head home and play for Creighton.
Maybe . But I just don't think Chuck has enough "game" to play for McDermott in the Big East. Creighton usually has talented guards and I just don't see it here. Sure, he has his moments, but watching him closely at UW during his time there, leaves me underwhelmed.
I'd take him over Steven Ashworth. And certainly over guys like Francisco Farabello.
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I agree with your take. The Badger system isn’t an all that exciting brand of ball, although they did avg more pts per than in recent seasons. Players want more of a shoot to get hot shoot to stay hot system. And, the hired gun pay me environment we are in currently is hurting as many programs as it helps, imo. (Id say we are fortunate to have the continuity we’ve had at MU). As far as fan interest, I sense a slide.
https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/ncaa-tournament-thursday-viewership.html
"The early numbers for 2024 NCAA Tournament viewership are in, and they’re very good. Earlier Friday, we covered how Tuesday and Wednesday’s First Four saw double-digit increases over 2023. And later Friday, TNT Sports and CBS Sports announced how Thursday’s opening round games posted the highest average audience since 2015."
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Also, the portal isn’t closed. Entirely possible they have someone(s) who may leave.
It’s never closed.
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https://awfulannouncing.com/ratings/ncaa-tournament-thursday-viewership.html
"The early numbers for 2024 NCAA Tournament viewership are in, and they’re very good. Earlier Friday, we covered how Tuesday and Wednesday’s First Four saw double-digit increases over 2023. And later Friday, TNT Sports and CBS Sports announced how Thursday’s opening round games posted the highest average audience since 2015."
Gambling is a major reason.
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Gambling is a major reason.
Yes. Gambling was just invented last year.
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Shaka used the portal plenty. He has one spot available this off-season. It appears the focus is on the kid from Germany.
He used the portal to bring in TyKo, OMax, Kur, Morsell and Wrightsail.
Also, the portal isn’t closed. Entirely possible they have someone(s) who may leave.
A rare RICO whoosh over the head…
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Gambling is a major reason.
100% Muggsy. More sportsbooks, easier, legal access.
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Wisconsin crying poor is a load of crap. Truth is, if Hepburn does have a stupid deal available, I’d let him walk, too. Guy ain’t exactly a difference maker and wouldn’t surprise me if they found someone better.
Oh, for sure. They're crying poor to trying to cope.
As for replacing Hepburn, we'll see if they get someone. Hepburn's by no means a star, as we saw his sophomore year, but he's at least a proven high major starting PG.
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
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Have you watched their other commit? Robison?
What’s the story on him?
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
Buddy Holly is not the aircraft carrier we need.
(Seriously, do not get my hopes up like this.)
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So we didn't get Maxi because we're getting Jonas?
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I can think of a team 70 miles to the west that's Come Undone.
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.5e145bed79265c80eb66fe12a828c6eb?rik=wotCc%2fRk47ncOg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.reactiongifs.com%2fr%2f2013%2f06%2freference.gif&ehk=2rq4%2btQz3RQn%2fKk5A9La1um3oxxQXu7n%2b3SNq1QnX5Y%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
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Just on a Holiday, nothing more.
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
Because Shaka's getting "No One Else"?
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
Say it ain't so
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
What are you hearing in the garage?
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So we didn't get Maxi because we're getting Jonas?
Only in dreams
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Eric the Red doesn’t know squat. I think a good chunk of Badger fans have realized he just posts these things to defend UW-Madison in all they do
loves the white transfer portal players
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My BADger co-workers are saying that UW-Madison doesn't have the money, that's why they're losing all these guys. LOL.
According to buckyville their NIL budget for BB is $2.5M
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
Who loves that album? Aidoooooooooooooo
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Here's the thing though. If UW goes out and gets a couple of really good guys in the portal I'm sure interest will perk back up. What has to happen is that UW needs to play the game. If they don't, they'll be left behind... and not only in basketball.
They are playing the game. This isn't 5 years ago or 10 years ago. All coaches know and understand it and sign up for it. UW brought in Storr and Klesmit, and no doubt paid well to do so. Illinois throws money around like they're drunk at a strip club. UW will bring in other transfers. They'll lose others. Same with every program. Winning covers up a lot of the negativity regarding the sport. For some of us, though, winning is lipstick on an increasingly foul pig. I probably won't pay the slightest bit of attention to hoops next season until March. And then I'll sit down and realize I don't know a single player on any of these teams anymore.
If Hepburn left Wisconsin for more money than Wisconsin was willing to pay (or able to, but probably more willing), good for him. There is way more that goes into roster building now than just paying guys. If you paid Hepburn $800K, then 12 other guys on the roster come back to you with their hands out asking for a raise. Schools that have been paying under the table for years have quite the head start in roster management in this realm.
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According to buckyville their NIL budget for BB is $2.5M
So less than NEBRASKAball
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Back to MU, I heard it’s good day to be a fan of Weezer and the Blue album
🎶 Hold this thread while I walk away
Or
NIL 🎶 destroyed Badger (lettermen) 🎵 sweater ?
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Am I nutty to think that Chicos has returned?
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Am I nutty to think that Chicos has returned?
No. Or maybe, but then I'm nutty too.
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Marquette has reached out to Tyran Cook of VMI.
Waukesha native.
6'2" Freshman
Played 28 MPG
Averaged 12.4 PPG
32% 3 point
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I'd take him over Steven Ashworth. And certainly over guys like Francisco Farabello.
Over Farabello? Yes. Over Ashworth? No.
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Marquette has reached out to Tyran Cook of VMI.
Waukesha native.
6'2" Freshman
Played 28 MPG
Averaged 12.4 PPG
32% 3 point
I expect Marquette to not do that
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$1.4 Million for Roach to go to Baylor.
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$1.4 Million for Roach to go to Baylor.
Jeesh.
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Jonas picked up a Crystal Bowel to Baylor as well. Visiting there on Saturday.
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Paying players is no longer dirty.
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Paying players is no longer dirty.
So much easier for Scott Drew to pay players outright now
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Jonas picked up a Crystal Bowel to Baylor as well. Visiting there on Saturday.
So this is a bad week for Weezer blue album fans?
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So this is a bad week for Weezer blue album fans?
Any players in the portal from Beverly Hills?
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Any players in the portal from Beverly Hills?
Either that or we go with the El Scorcho'd earth plan.
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Undone deal? The sweater (song) vests won’t be pleased
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Jeesh.
How long before the above average power conference starter makes a mill a year. Wtf is this: where is it going? where do we end up
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How long before the above average power conference starter makes a mill a year. Wtf is this: where is it going? where do we end up
I think we're going to hit an apex and values will drop, probably sooner rather than later. The boosters paying for rosters at Indiana, Baylor, Texas, Ole Miss, and Maryland aren't spending to make a second weekend, they're spending for Final Four & National Championship appearances. And they won't all get that. Odds are none of them will even make the Final Four. How long will they keep throwing bad money after bad results? A few years? Sure, I'll buy that. But when programs get to 5, 10, or more years without any real success to show for their investments, those investments will stop.
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How long before the above average power conference starter makes a mill a year. Wtf is this: where is it going? where do we end up
I don't see it ending up in a good place.
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I think we're going to hit an apex and values will drop, probably sooner rather than later. The boosters paying for rosters at Indiana, Baylor, Texas, Ole Miss, and Maryland aren't spending to make a second weekend, they're spending for Final Four & National Championship appearances. And they won't all get that. Odds are none of them will even make the Final Four. How long will they keep throwing bad money after bad results? A few years? Sure, I'll buy that. But when programs get to 5, 10, or more years without any real success to show for their investments, those investments will stop.
In a one and done tournament buying a F4 is impossible to guarantee. But I don't think that will stop boosters for awhile.
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Either that or we go with the El Scorcho'd earth plan.
That might be a Perfect Situation.
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$1.4 Million for Roach to go to Baylor.
https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/pest-control-brand-raid-signs-nil-deals-with-dukes-roach-and-baylors-littlepage-buggs-michael9
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NIL will be the ruination of college athletics. The rich will get richer and the rest, poorer, aina?
#huh?
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NIL will be the ruination of college athletics. The rich will get richer and the rest, poorer, aina?
#huh?
yup
waiting for the salary caps and "tax" imposed on those exceeding the cap. next up, trade deadlines, et.al.
gonna have to if they want to maintain their "amateur" status, eyn'a?
anyone hear wisco high schools want to get in to this NIL thingy? I guess it's the "in" thing now. might as well couple it with salary caps...
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$1.4 Million for Roach to go to Baylor.
Roach himself said on social media the amounts reported are inflated.
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I am looking at this more as a transition stage before the kinks get ironed out. Most likely in 5 years they will have figured out how to cap NIL deals or at the very least unionize so that each school has a cap. I am for the players making money for the amount of revenue they bring in for schools, tv, merch etc.
There's alot of people laughing at the Badgers for losing two starters and saying this just the new college basketball. If we would have lost Kolek or Oso or even Kam to the transfer portal this board would have been in meltdown mode. It will more than likely hit Marquette at sometime, hell most likely every team but it will be the death of college sports. It will also be the death of most mid majors ever have a chance to make a deep run as anytime someone whos not a senior has a good season they will take the best NIL deal at a major program.
I for one absolutely hate the NIL and transfer portal but I believe it will get corrected in the next few years. I do think however this will lead to 3/4/5 star recruits accepting bench role at schools with higher NIL payments than getting playing time at a lower college.
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Roach himself said on social media the amounts reported are inflated.
Kinda have to, when you only report $500k to the IRS. ;)
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NIL will be the ruination of college athletics. The rich will get richer and the rest, poorer, aina?
#huh?
Wow, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Hard to fathom in college athletics
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I am looking at this more as a transition stage before the kinks get ironed out. Most likely in 5 years they will have figured out how to cap NIL deals or at the very least unionize so that each school has a cap. I am for the players making money for the amount of revenue they bring in for schools, tv, merch etc.
There's alot of people laughing at the Badgers for losing two starters and saying this just the new college basketball. If we would have lost Kolek or Oso or even Kam to the transfer portal this board would have been in meltdown mode. It will more than likely hit Marquette at sometime, hell most likely every team but it will be the death of college sports. It will also be the death of most mid majors ever have a chance to make a deep run as anytime someone whos not a senior has a good season they will take the best NIL deal at a major program.
I for one absolutely hate the NIL and transfer portal but I believe it will get corrected in the next few years. I do think however this will lead to 3/4/5 star recruits accepting bench role at schools with higher NIL payments than getting playing time at a lower college.
It’ll certainly happen to Marquette at some point if things don’t change with regards to NIL and the portal. No one will be immune.
As for Wisconsin, I read Jim Polzin’s piece this morning and there’s more at play. He hinted at Chucky being unhappy this past year but thought after the Howard Moore game, he’d be back.
I also hold Gard responsible for some of this. It was no secret to anyone that Storr was leaving. We put the onus on Wojo for Hausergate, I’m not sure how bringing in Storr for a year and then losing him right away isn’t partly on Gard. He had to have been pretty stupid not to know Storr was sniffing around other programs.
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Wow, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Hard to fathom in college athletics
Free markets are now bad?
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I’ll also add, it was hilarious watching the Gard apologists carry the water for him yesterday, especially when Jared Berggren tweeted fans needed to donate to the Varsity Collective and the usual suspects agreed with him.
The university makes $80-$100 million off TV money and brags about their large alumni base and why athletes should get their degrees to take advantage of this but they need to ask the fans for money? GTFOH.
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Free markets are now bad?
This is way different. The wrong people are getting paid.
Isn’t the education enough? Winning in the classroom is the ultimate goal, isn’t it?
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yup
waiting for the salary caps and "tax" imposed on those exceeding the cap. next up, trade deadlines, et.al.
gonna have to if they want to maintain their "amateur" status, eyn'a?
anyone hear wisco high schools want to get in to this NIL thingy? I guess it's the "in" thing now. might as well couple it with salary caps...
You can't impose a salary cap without a collective bargaining agreement. And you can't have a CBA unless they are employees and allow them to form a union. And even then, how can you cap outside income?
And no one has had amateur status for awhile. If they ever did.
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Free markets are now bad?
Let's see how the Packers, Royals and Grizzlies do in a "free market".
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Yet another thing that will ruin college sports.
Just as letting freshmen play did.
Just as giving women real opportunities did.
Just as coaches being always-free-agents did.
Just as dunking and the 3-point line and shot clock ruined college basketball.
Just as the scholarship limits ruined college football.
Just as athletes going from high school to the NBA ruined college basketball.
Just as the playoff ruined college football.
Just as 1-and-done athletes ruined college basketball.
Who knows ... maybe NIL and the transfer portal really will ruin college sports. We'll see if this time it's different.
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Let's see how the Packers, Royals and Grizzlies do in a "free market".
One of these things is not like the others.
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One of these things is not like the others.
Yes, in a fight a grizly would beat a packer and a royal.
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Let's see how the Packers, Royals and Grizzlies do in a "free market".
Uh...why are the Packers on this list? Sure there was a time when they would have trouble competing, but they have one of the largest fanbases on the planet.
That being said, there were plenty of models available for the NCAA to emulate, but ignored every single one of them.
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Now that things have fallen through with Max L, where does Shaka look next? Pursuing any portal guards or bigs?
Or should we expect to roll with the current roster as is?
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Now that things have fallen through with Max L, where does Shaka look next? Pursuing any portal guards or bigs?
Or should we expect to roll with the current roster as is?
Pretty sure we're signing Rivers Cuomo
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Pretty sure we're signing Rivers Cuomo
Actually, Hurley.
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Let's see how the Packers, Royals and Grizzlies do in a "free market".
So, allow college athletes to unionize,, treat them as employees and collectively bargain with them?
OK.
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Actually, Hurley.
100% was gonna go with that before I went with rivers. Well done ;D
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So, allow college athletes to unionize,, treat them as employees and collectively bargain with them?
OK.
Question to which I do not know the answer. If the athletes become employees, does Title IX in terms of equality in sports/scholarships go away, since there isn't a rule that there must be an equal amount of male/femal employees?
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Now that things have fallen through with Max L, where does Shaka look next? Pursuing any portal guards or bigs?
Or should we expect to roll with the current roster as is?
Unless a real diamond in the rough comes along, Shaka probably rolls with the current roster. Kam returning is huge and he likely got a chunk of the NIL cash. Had Kam left, Shaka would be active in the portal.
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Uh...why are the Packers on this list? Sure there was a time when they would have trouble competing, but they have one of the largest fanbases on the planet.
That being said, there were plenty of models available for the NCAA to emulate, but ignored every single one of them.
My response was to snarky remark about free markets. I did not endorse the NCAA and its decisions.
As for the Pack, I 100% guaranty that the Packers would fight tooth and nail against the MLB model. The Giants, Rams, Cowboys, Bears and Eagles would love it.
I think in the long run it would be a terrible idea to let the NFL teams go it alone. The lack of a free market in the NFL is what has made it great.
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My response was to snarky remark about free markets. I did not endorse the NCAA and its decisions.
As for the Pack, I 100% guaranty that the Packers would fight tooth and nail against the MLB model. The Giants, Rams, Cowboys, Bears and Eagles would love it.
I think in the long run it would be a terrible idea to let the NFL teams go it alone. The lack of a free market in the NFL is what has made it great.
I 100% guarantee you're wrong, but whatever floats your boat man. The Packers aren't the Brewers.
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My response was to snarky remark about free markets. I did not endorse the NCAA and its decisions.
As for the Pack, I 100% guaranty that the Packers would fight tooth and nail against the MLB model. The Giants, Rams, Cowboys, Bears and Eagles would love it.
I think in the long run it would be a terrible idea to let the NFL teams go it alone. The lack of a free market in the NFL is what has made it great.
I doubt that that any NFL team would want the MLB model. The NFL model has made everyone way more wealthy than MLB.
That being said, the Packers would be fine with the MLB model. I don't think you understand the size and wealth of the Packer fan base. I mean...the Eagles? Are you kidding me?
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So, allow college athletes to unionize,, treat them as employees and collectively bargain with them?
OK.
Is there really another way for this to play out? These are professional athletes playing professional sports.
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The only transfer out there thats been reported to potentially visit now is Derin Saran. Similar game to Maxi as a big guard, shooter. 3 years of eligibility. Wouldnt really be recruiting over anyone by adding a bench shooter like him.
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I doubt that that any NFL team would want the MLB model. The NFL model has made everyone way more wealthy than MLB.
That being said, the Packers would be fine with the MLB model. I don't think you understand the size and wealth of the Packer fan base. I mean...the Eagles? Are you kidding me?
We'll never agree on this and outside of TV market size, that clearly supports my position, there is no way to quantify if the Packers would be one of the "haves". Different opinions are what make this site fun.
Seems we do agree that the "free market" concept is a bad business decision. The NFL has proven that in spades.
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We'll never agree on this and outside of TV market size, that clearly supports my position, there is no way to quantify if the Packers would be one of the "haves". Different opinions are what make this site fun.
Seems we do agree that the "free market" concept is a bad business decision. The NFL has proven that in spades.
Brother, I promise you don't understand this at all. The Packers are a national brand as much as the Cowboys are.
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Is there really another way for this to play out? These are professional athletes playing professional sports.
Its the way it should pan out.
Sucks for the NCAA and other college sports.
But this is what should happen
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Unless a real diamond in the rough comes along, Shaka probably rolls with the current roster. Kam returning is huge and he likely got a chunk of the NIL cash. Had Kam left, Shaka would be active in the portal.
His ass should be active in portal already.
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His ass should be active in portal already.
Yep... The only "big" money NIL school that has yet to throw around the cash is UK and thats because they just hired pope
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Brother, I promise you don't understand this at all. The Packers are a national brand as much as the Cowboys are.
Agree to disagree. The main point being made is that pure free market is not ideal for sports. Regardless of the current viability of the Packers, I hope we can all agree that without the NFL's forward thinking on revenue sharing and capped salaries, the Packers would have folded or moved decades ago. And that is the main point I am making. I'd argue there is no better team to use as the poster boy of the non-free market model.
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His ass should be active in portal already.
An insight like a leprous wolf gnawing at your genitalia, Dung Willie
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His ass should be active in portal already.
4.5 🫏 out of 5
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Agree to disagree. The main point being made is that pure free market is not ideal for sports. Regardless of the current viability of the Packers, I hope we can all agree that without the NFL's forward thinking on revenue sharing and capped salaries, the Packers would have folded or moved decades ago. And that is the main point I am making. I'd argue there is no better team to use as the poster boy of the non-free market model.
But what you're not mentioning is that the NFL's forward thinking on revenue sharing and capped payrolls (not salaries) was possible only through collective bargaining with the unionized players. It would be illegal for the owners to impose such a structure otherwise.
So you can't really compare those leagues to the NCAA unless and until you give college athletes the same rights as NFL athletes.
I think some limits on college athlete movement would be a good thing for the sports. But you need to give the players something in return, and so far the NCAA has steadfastly refused to do so.
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But what you're not mentioning is that the NFL's forward thinking on revenue sharing and capped payrolls (not salaries) was possible only through collective bargaining with the unionized players. It would be illegal for the owners to impose such a structure otherwise.
So you can't really compare those leagues to the NCAA unless and until you give college athletes the same rights as NFL athletes.
I think some limits on college athlete movement would be a good thing for the sports. But you need to give the players something in return, and so far the NCAA has steadfastly refused to do so.
I agree with everything you said.
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Desmond Claude goes portaling
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Desmond Claude goes portaling
He'd be an awesome fit here.
But we know that ain't happenin'!
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Looks like his mom played for Syracuse and he's from the northeast.
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I am looking at this more as a transition stage before the kinks get ironed out. Most likely in 5 years they will have figured out how to cap NIL deals or at the very least unionize so that each school has a cap. I am for the players making money for the amount of revenue they bring in for schools, tv, merch etc.
There's alot of people laughing at the Badgers for losing two starters and saying this just the new college basketball. If we would have lost Kolek or Oso or even Kam to the transfer portal this board would have been in meltdown mode. It will more than likely hit Marquette at sometime, hell most likely every team but it will be the death of college sports. It will also be the death of most mid majors ever have a chance to make a deep run as anytime someone whos not a senior has a good season they will take the best NIL deal at a major program.
I for one absolutely hate the NIL and transfer portal but I believe it will get corrected in the next few years. I do think however this will lead to 3/4/5 star recruits accepting bench role at schools with higher NIL payments than getting playing time at a lower college.
I don’t see how it’s the death of mid majors. Those guys get 2 and 3 star nobodies(on paper). When they make a big run it’s either just Cinderella magic and or they have some diamond in the rough superstar. in the latter case how many of those guys stick around several years at a mid major? It’s draft or portal anyways
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His ass should be active in portal already.
Why don't you throw the NIL a bag their way then?
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He'd be an awesome fit here.
But we know that ain't happenin'!
Apparently he (and his parents) want him at PG and he has been talking a lot with UConn.
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The only transfer out there thats been reported to potentially visit now is Derin Saran. Similar game to Maxi as a big guard, shooter. 3 years of eligibility. Wouldnt really be recruiting over anyone by adding a bench shooter like him.
I'm very high on this guy. Would welcome him with open arms. Already showed out against top 50 competition as a freshman. Plenty to project
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He'd be an awesome fit here.
But we know that ain't happenin'!
MU was interested in high school
https://www.ctinsider.com/gametimect/article/Jeff-Jacobs-Basketball-recruit-Desmond-Claude-16469882.php
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My two pennies, for what they're worth.
I have serious doubts that Shaka is going to grab a portal guy from a Big East school.
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Xavier picked up another starter.
They have a competent roster this year.
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I think we're going to hit an apex and values will drop, probably sooner rather than later. The boosters paying for rosters at Indiana, Baylor, Texas, Ole Miss, and Maryland aren't spending to make a second weekend, they're spending for Final Four & National Championship appearances. And they won't all get that. Odds are none of them will even make the Final Four. How long will they keep throwing bad money after bad results? A few years? Sure, I'll buy that. But when programs get to 5, 10, or more years without any real success to show for their investments, those investments will stop.
Yep. Didn’t see this posted before i posted something similar in the NIL thread. Agree completely.
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Xavier picked up another starter.
They have a competent roster this year.
We will see. A lot of boom or bust.
To this point Miller has had great success with mid major guards
But now he’s banking on 4 of them
His 3 best bigs have massive injury histories.
The only players of their top 7 who have played in a real game together are Fremantle and Hunter.
The guards and forwards have no chemistry.
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Xavier picked up another starter.
They have a competent roster this year.
Just looked at their transfers bit closer. They added 3 guards averaging over 15 ppg with McKnight already on the roster.
Some or multiple of them were promised more minutes than they are gonna get.
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We could argue about nil until our faces turn Pinkerton...but why bother?
Is there No Other One for Shaka in the portal?
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We could argue about nil until our faces turn Pinkerton...but why bother?
Is there No Other One for Shaka in the portal?
Guess what I received in the mail today? Words of deep concern from a little booster.
The portal's not going as they planned. Shaka has injured his hand.
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He'd be an awesome fit here.
But we know that ain't happenin'!
Crappy player who can’t shoot.
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The only transfer out there thats been reported to potentially visit now is Derin Saran. Similar game to Maxi as a big guard, shooter. 3 years of eligibility. Wouldnt really be recruiting over anyone by adding a bench shooter like him.
This is the guy I’d prefer.
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Question to which I do not know the answer. If the athletes become employees, does Title IX in terms of equality in sports/scholarships go away, since there isn't a rule that there must be an equal amount of male/femal employees?
They would still be students so Title IX would still apply
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They would still be students so Title IX would still apply
So schools have to have the same amount of female student employees as male ones?
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Why don't you throw the NIL a bag their way then?
Sorry, that is Shakas job, or yours if inclined.
So now the excuse is not enough Nil money?
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So schools have to have the same amount of female student employees as male ones?
No.
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Sorry, that is Shakas job, or yours if inclined.
So now the excuse is not enough Nil money?
Excuse for what?
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Sorry, that is Shakas job, or yours if inclined.
So now the excuse is not enough Nil money?
All I said is you should donate. The rest of the conclusions are yours.
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Sounds like Seth Trimble is returning to NC.
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No.
But they probably would have to pay them the same.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/catl.31118 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/catl.31118)
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Sounds like Seth Trimble is returning to NC.
Shaka told him no.
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I see Duke only has 5 players for next year. I guess they will be hitting the portal hard.
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All I said is you should donate. The rest of the conclusions are yours.
You go ahead and donate for me. Thank you.
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Why don't you throw the NIL a bag their way then?
“Hi. I’m Tarris Reed, Jr. and when I need my fill of dung posts, I turn to willie warrior.”
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So schools have to have the same amount of female student employees as male ones?
Campus jobs don't divide themselves by gender. Sports do. Title IX only requires equal opportunity, not equal total numbers. Every campus job is an opportunity for both male and female students
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I see Duke only has 5 players for next year. I guess they will be hitting the portal hard.
Funny how guys don’t wanna hang around when they are recruited over. One-and-done doesn’t work anymore. Duke and Kentucky are both a mess.
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How many coaches/programs are secretly jealous of Shaka/MU right now?
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How many coaches/programs are secretly jealous of Shaka/MU right now?
I'm going to lean toward well north of 300.
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Funny how guys don’t wanna hang around when they are recruited over. One-and-done doesn’t work anymore. Duke and Kentucky are both a mess.
I’d take Duke’s mess. Preseason #1.
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I’d take Duke’s mess. Preseason #1.
Scheyer isn't half the coach Calipari is, and Calipari couldn't make that model work lately. If I were a betting man, I think Duke does not make the Elite Eight this upcoming season.
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Speaking of Duke. I was just drinking a Kolsch and eating schnitzel and spargl for lunch in Köln, Germany. I was wearing my Marquette pullover and a group of 3 people on their way out said they were from North Carolina and Duke fans and sad to see Wojo get let go at Marquette.
I replied it worked out well for us as we ended up with Shaka Smart.
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they were from North Carolina and Duke fans and sad to see Wojo get let go at Marquette.
Holds true for every opposing fan base.
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Speaking of Duke. I was just drinking a Kolsch and eating schnitzel and spargl for lunch in Köln, Germany. I was wearing my Marquette pullover and a group of 3 people on their way out said they were from North Carolina and Duke fans and sad to see Wojo get let go at Marquette.
I replied it worked out well for us as we ended up with Shaka Smart.
You blew a perfect chance to suggest that they take Wojo back as an assistant to Scheyer.
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I’d take Duke’s mess. Preseason #1.
They’re not preseason number one anymore after their recent losses.
They do have the top recruiting class coming in, though, and will still be good
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@GoodmanHoops
Former Indiana State star Robbie Avila will announce his decision today at 5 pm ET on @TheFieldOf68.
This one just may surprise some people.
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If it is MU, yay. If it isn't, meh.
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@GoodmanHoops
Former Indiana State star Robbie Avila will announce his decision today at 5 pm ET on @TheFieldOf68.
This one just may surprise some people.
Wisconsin. Gard gets it done
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@GoodmanHoops
Former Indiana State star Robbie Avila will announce his decision today at 5 pm ET on @TheFieldOf68.
This one just may surprise some people.
Would be funny if he went to SLU, which would surprise no one. But Goodman wants clicks/views, so throw the "surprise" tag out there...
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Scheyer isn't half the coach Calipari is
Seriously, how do we know yet?
You might be 100% right about this, but as I try to be objective about it, I don't see a large enough body of work to make any conclusion at all.
Right now, all we have to go on is the last two seasons.
Scheyer has gone 27-9 and 27-9, finishing 3rd and 2nd in his conference, and getting his team to the Round of 32 and the Elite 8. Entering the 2022-23 season, Duke was #7 in the AP poll; entering the 2023-24 season, Duke was #2.
Calipari has gone 22-12 and 23-10, finishing 2nd and 3rd in his conference, and getting his team to the Round of 32 and a first-round loss to a 14 seed. Entering the 2022-23 season, Kentucky was #4 in the AP poll; entering the 2023-24 season, Kentucky was #16. Calipari also hasn't gotten Kentucky to the second weekend since 2019 despite having highly rated talent on his rosters.
So by records alone, Calipari doesn't appear to a significantly better coach than Scheyer has been. Obviously, lots of apples/kumquats involved, including different conferences, schedules, etc.
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Wisconsin. Gard gets it done
Extend Gard!
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Already done!
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Extend Gard!
He was yesterday. His yearly rollover extension was approved by the board. Perpetual 5 year contract for recruiting purposes.
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Funny how guys don’t wanna hang around when they are recruited over. One-and-done doesn’t work anymore. Duke and Kentucky are both a mess.
One and done will work once you get past the covid extra year of eligibility.
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One and done will work once you get past the covid extra year of eligibility.
Not sure what one has to do with the other. It could be argued that one and done hasn’t really worked for a decade.
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But Goodman wants clicks/views, so throw the "surprise" tag out there...
I mean, it's his job to generate interest, no?
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Would be funny if he went to SLU, which would surprise no one. But Goodman wants clicks/views, so throw the "surprise" tag out there...
Goodman's phrasing sure feels like a troll.
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They’re not preseason number one anymore after their recent losses.
They do have the top recruiting class coming in, though, and will still be good
I knew we could count on you, Sultan/Rico.
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One and done will work once you get past the covid extra year of eligibility.
Honest question...why would it? One and done really didn't work before the extra year. The two programs that really embraced it were Kentucky and Duke. The model accounted for two titles, 2012 UK and 2015 Duke. But 2012 UK had 3 of their top-6 scorers as returning players while for Duke it was 4 of the top-7. Since that Duke title, all 7 NC winners have been in the top 128 of D1 experience, per kenpom, so all of them were in the 64th percentile or better in terms of experience. 5/7 have been top-100 in experience.
kenpom's D1 experience metric goes back to 2007. 12/17 champions have been top-100 in experience, 14/17 have been top-128, and only 3 have been outside the top-200 (2011 UConn joins UK & Duke). Basically, there was a 5 year blip when one-and-done was able to win at the highest level, but that wasn't the case before that time and hasn't been the case since.
Experience wins, and it's been winning since before COVID was even a thing. The increasing usage of the transfer portal will only amplify that as high-powered teams are able to add players from lower levels that are more physically developed and basketball-experienced at the D1 level than one-and-done freshmen. One-and-done was a fad. Might it break through again once a decade or so? Maybe with a couple generational talents, but otherwise expect those teams to flame out, usually by the second weekend.
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@GoodmanHoops
Former Indiana State star Robbie Avila will announce his decision today at 5 pm ET on @TheFieldOf68.
This one just may surprise some people.
Apparently this announcement coincides with the final day of Avila's SLU tour. So obviously he's going to SLU.
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I knew we could count on you, Sultan/Rico.
Happy to correct you again
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One and done will work once you get past the covid extra year of eligibility.
Experience has proven to be a huge factor in winning nattys. Put a bunch of 5 star one-and-doners on the court and, while they're very impressive as individual players, too often they fail to play as a team. Got to impress those NBA scouts, you know.
Although it was 10 years ago that UConn's experienced team took down Kentucky in the natty, 60-54, it still serves as an example that experience counts.
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Would be funny if he went to SLU, which would surprise no one. But Goodman wants clicks/views, so throw the "surprise" tag out there...
Nor sure how that helps him get clicks. By the time anyone reads the surprise part they've already clicked and viewed.
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Nor sure how that helps him get clicks. By the time anyone reads the surprise part they've already clicked and viewed.
Getting people to click onto his Fo68 announcement later today. Because it's a "surprise" even though it's what everyone expects.
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He was always going to SLU.
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He was always going to SLU.
Crystal balls coming in for SLU. Won’t be UW-Madison
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Scheyer isn't half the coach Calipari is, and Calipari couldn't make that model work lately. If I were a betting man, I think Duke does not make the Elite Eight this upcoming season.
Depending on what they get from the portal. If they don’t do well there, I think the possibility of missing the tournament exists.
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How many coaches/programs are secretly jealous of Shaka/MU right now?
Documentary is in the works.
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Cool. Directors know who the actors will be.
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Speaking of Duke. I was just drinking a Kolsch and eating schnitzel and spargl for lunch in Köln, Germany. I was wearing my Marquette pullover and a group of 3 people on their way out said they were from North Carolina and Duke fans and sad to see Wojo get let go at Marquette.
I replied it worked out well for us as we ended up with Shaka Smart.
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Once again, the crystal ball is correct
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Once again, the crystal ball is correct
The crystal ball is never wrong.
Also, apparently only Goodman was in the dark and surprised by this one.
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Chucky Hepburn has a badger tattoo on his left arm.
Oh well ... he can always tell his kids it's a Weasel.
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Lost Avila to SLU smh
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Lost Avila to SLU smh
🤔
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He must know they are next in line to join the Big East.
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Rothstein
"Source: Chicago State transfer Wesley Cardet is currently visiting Providence.
Averaged 18.7 PPG last season."
Big East is going to be a gauntlet.
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It always is.
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It always is.
Last year really wasn't loaded.
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Rothstein
"Source: Chicago State transfer Wesley Cardet is currently visiting Providence.
Averaged 18.7 PPG last season."
Big East is going to be a gauntlet.
Chicago State is an incredible program. Can’t believe Providence might land a kid out of that program. Losing a first round pick and getting better in the process.
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Rothstein
"Source: Chicago State transfer Wesley Cardet is currently visiting Providence.
Averaged 18.7 PPG last season."
Big East is going to be a gauntlet.
Are you implying that Providence potentially landing the best player from Chicago State somehow makes the Big East significantly stronger? Cardet isn't even a top 100 transfer.
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Chicago State is an incredible program. Can’t believe Providence might land a kid out of that program. Losing a first round pick and getting better in the process.
Sleeping giant once they get that Ye NIL money.
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I actually think Cardet is a very good add. His advanced numbers don't jump off the table, but that's largely because he played for a very bad team. Even still, he led the Cougars to their two highest kenpom ranks in over a decade and was always one of the most efficient players on an inefficient team despite also having high usage rates.
I do worry about him on the defensive end, but think he could be a productive offensive player for Providence. He won't be a highly regarded transfer simply because he's coming from Chicago State, but the kid can play.
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He must know they are next in line to join the Big East.
Are you mixing StLU up with St. Thomas?
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Last year really wasn't loaded.
On certain Saturday nights before the ripe hour of 9pm, I'm usually loaded and ready for a 20pm bedtime
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PG/SG Jaeden Zackery, a three-year starter at Boston College, commits to Clemson.
Local product, he prepped at Westosha Central.
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According to Woelful, MU is at least kicking the tires on Tyrese Hunter.
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According to Woelful, MU is at least kicking the tires on Tyrese Hunter.
If we don’t go “big” I’d love this pick-up!
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If we don’t go “big” I’d love this pick-up!
I’m not sure that’s entirely up to date and/or accurate information.
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Are you implying that Providence potentially landing the best player from Chicago State somehow makes the Big East significantly stronger? Cardet isn't even a top 100 transfer.
Transfers from George Mason and East Carolina made the Big East significantly stronger. Why not Chicago State?
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Transfers from George Mason and East Carolina made the Big East significantly stronger. Why not Chicago State?
You understand the difference between an A10 school, an AAC school and one that can’t find a home because it’s such a bad program right?
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You understand the difference between an A10 school, an AAC school and one that can’t find a home because it’s such a bad program right?
Cardet was ranked #78 in class of 2021 by 247 Sports (#108 composite ranking), fwiw. Had some solid suitors coming out of prep school, but went to Samford and then transferred to Chicago St. where he has put up solid numbers.
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Transfers from George Mason and East Carolina made the Big East significantly stronger. Why not Chicago State?
Am I to understand that you think of Chicago State as equal to ECU or George Mason?
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Am I to understand that you think of Chicago State as equal to ECU or George Mason?
No one is saying anything aside from Cardet is a good player.
He outplayed everyone on Marquette aside from OMax in their head to head matchup last year.
He had 18 points on 7-14 shooting. He can play with this level of talent.
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Am I to understand that you think of Chicago State as equal to ECU or George Mason?
I'm not sure why it matters when it comes to an individual player.
George Mason isn't equal to Duke, but Tyler Kolek was a more impactful transfer than Jaemyn Brakefield or Henry Coleman.
I have no idea whether Cardet will help Providence or not. But the argument that he can't "because Chicago State" is silly.
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No one is saying anything aside from Cardet is a good player.
Not really. Equalizer brought up George Mason and East Carolina to make a comparison.
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I'm not sure why it matters when it comes to an individual player.
George Mason isn't equal to Duke, but Tyler Kolek was a more impactful transfer than Jaemyn Brakefield or Henry Coleman.
I have no idea whether Cardet will help Providence or not. But the argument that he can't "because Chicago State" is silly.
Every player on chicago state is worse than freshman year tyler kolek was at George mason.
Also, I just want to interject this key point too. Providence likely has bad/average coaching. Marquette has good coaching.
It honeslty has less to do with Cardet, and more to do with the place he is going to.
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According to Woelful, MU is at least kicking the tires on Tyrese Hunter.
…when at Racine St Cats said MU was his dream school. I’m thinking Woj offered but things never aligned.
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Every player on chicago state is worse than freshman year tyler kolek was at George mason.
Good thing nobody compared anyone on Chicago State's roster to Kolek.
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Not really. Equalizer brought up George Mason and East Carolina to make a comparison.
Chicago State has to be one of the worst programs over the past 20 years.
That said, last year they did knock off Top 25 Northwestern on the road.
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…when at Racine St Cats said MU was his dream school. I’m thinking Woj offered but things never aligned.
I think Wojo was too zeroed in on RJ Davis if memory recalls.
But that was a long time ago.
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Not really. Equalizer brought up George Mason and East Carolina to make a comparison.
He never said anything about one being better than the other, just used the comparison that mid major players can have success at a high major level.
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He never said anything about one being better than the other, just used the comparison that mid major players can have success at a high major level.
Chicago State isn’t mid major. That’s the point. He may be a decent player, but comparing his situation to TK isn’t really accurate.
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Chicago State isn’t mid major. That’s the point. He may be a decent player, but comparing his situation to TK isn’t really accurate.
Whatever. Chicago State won at Northwestern this year and Cardet also played well at Marquette.
He's good and Providence got better. All that matters.
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Whatever. Chicago State won at Northwestern this year and Cardet also played well at Marquette.
He's good and Providence got better. All that matters.
There should be a documentary about the number of times you shift goalposts here. It would be very, very long, but boring as hell.
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I think Wojo was too zeroed in on RJ Davis if memory recalls.
But that was a long time ago.
RJ was the class before Tyrese. Wojo had offers out to Stevie and Tyrese in 2021 and Stevie jumped on his offer first, which pushed Tyrese to Iowa State.
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RJ was the class before Tyrese. Wojo had offers out to Stevie and Tyrese in 2021 and Stevie jumped on his offer first, which pushed Tyrese to Iowa State.
That’s right. Thank you.
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RJ was the class before Tyrese. Wojo had offers out to Stevie and Tyrese in 2021 and Stevie jumped on his offer first, which pushed Tyrese to Iowa State.
I also think there was some frustration with how long it took Wojo to offer him.
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I also think there was some frustration with how long it took Wojo to offer him.
I think you’re wrong there, they were on Tyrese for 2 years. They told him about Stevie as Stevie was ready to commit, he did pull the plug then. He was a priority
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Connor Essegian to Nebraska - I think that’s a much better fit for him than Bucky.
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Chicago State has to be one of the worst programs over the past 20 years.
That said, last year they did knock off Top 25 Northwestern on the road.
Chicago State was massively improved under Gerald Gillion. He did a great job turning them around and had them respectable. Not a top program, but far, far better than the dumpster fire they were the previous decade. Cardet was a big part of that.
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There should be a documentary about the number of times you shift goalposts here. It would be very, very long, but boring as hell.
What goalposts were shifted?
I said Cardet is good and stand by that. I shifted nothing. You people just attack anything you don't agree with. If you don't think he's good, fine. I do.
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Chicago State has to be one of the worst programs over the past 20 years.
That said, last year they did knock off Top 25 Northwestern on the road.
and cardet scored 30 in the win. My guess is that he will be like most transfers and he will need time to adjust. He'll probably have some bad games and good games. He'll probably drop 20 on us.
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Cardet is fine. He has a nice skill set.
Chicago State is so bad that Cardet had a lower on court impact than Zaide Lowery did last year. (-0.51 points per 100 possessions, lower than an average D1 player)
I don't trust Kim English to get the most out of him.
Jabri Abdur-Rahim was probably the better transfer they got so far.
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What goalposts were shifted?
I said Cardet is good and stand by that. I shifted nothing. You people just attack anything you don't agree with. If you don't think he's good, fine. I do.
No. I think he’s fine. Go back and see where you shifted. Not hard to find.
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I think Wojo was too zeroed in on RJ Davis if memory recalls.
But that was a long time ago.
Wojo focused on Mitcheil over Tyree.
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Wojo focused on Mitcheil over Tyree.
Thank goodness
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No. I think he’s fine. Go back and see where you shifted. Not hard to find.
I shifted nothing.
I said he's a good player..and stand by that. My opinion has never wavered.
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I shifted nothing.
I said he's a good player..and stand by that. My opinion has never wavered.
Sigh.
You can’t even understand what you said? Weird.
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Wojo focused on Mitcheil over Tyree.
Mitcheil and Jolp are both better than Tyree.
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Mitcheil and Jolp are both better than Tyree.
Hunter’s move to UT was a mistake from a hoops perspective. He was off to a great start at ISU.
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Mitcheil and Jolp are both better than Tyree.
Mitchell
Hunter
Joplin
if you genuinly ranked the three. (idk why you included joplin but okay)
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Mitchell
Hunter
Joplin
if you genuinly ranked the three. (idk why you included joplin but okay)
I was making a joke about the spelling errors.
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I saw Tyrese against, sitting near Wojo. I said to the person I was with I. The first 5 minutes, I could tell this kid was
Special. Has he improved under the coaches that coached him? The Iowa St. coach did, the Texas coaches did nothing to help him, got worse. Shaka gets his hands on him, I believe he would be outstanding in Shaka’s system. He is perfect example that money got him to Texas, but money alone does not get you to the next level
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I am perfectly happy that Marquette ended up with TK and Stevie vs. Hunter and whomever.
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I am perfectly happy that Marquette ended up with TK and Stevie vs. Hunter and whomever.
Yep. Don’t regret not getting Hunter at all.
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I would be very happy if Shaka landed Hunter.
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I would be very happy if Shaka landed Hunter.
I guess if Shaka lays out a role for him and he is content within that role that would work. But I’m not sure that would be the case. And I’m not sure they would break the NIL bank for him like he might expect.
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I guess if Shaka lays out a role for him and he is content within that role that would work. But I’m not sure that would be the case. And I’m not sure they would break the NIL bank for him like he might expect.
He’s a proven player and the MU backups have not proven anything yet. If Jones was healthy then fine, but the rest have a lot to prove
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He’s a proven player and the MU backups have not proven anything yet. If Jones was healthy then fine, but the rest have a lot to prove
Yes. That doesn’t counter anything I have said.
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Would love Hunter to come in and run the point and be a hound defensively.
But Gary Woelful reporting MU has expressed interest in him just confirms that MU has no interest whatsoever.
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Would love Hunter to come in and run the point and be a hound defensively.
But Gary Woelful reporting MU has expressed interest in him just confirms that MU has no interest whatsoever.
Just think about where he is getting his information.
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Would love Hunter to come in and run the point and be a hound defensively.
But Gary Woelful reporting MU has expressed interest in him just confirms that MU has no interest whatsoever.
If Hunter was from anywhere else but Racine I'd agree about Woelfel. He's pretty tied in there though.
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I would be very happy if Shaka landed Hunter.
If Shaka determines that Hunter is what the team needs, I also would be very happy to welcome him to Marquette.
Doesn't change what I said. The way it worked out, instead of Hunter we ended up with TK and Stevie, and I'm thrilled about that.
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What goalposts were shifted?
I said Cardet is good and stand by that. I shifted nothing. You people just attack anything you don't agree with. If you don't think he's good, fine. I do.
Rothstein
"Source: Chicago State transfer Wesley Cardet is currently visiting Providence.
Averaged 18.7 PPG last season."
Big East is going to be a gauntlet.
This implies that either you think Cardet is a little more than "good" or you have a very liberal definition of "gauntlet".
Cardet is a fine pickup. He wouldn't start for us. I'm not sure he'll start for Providence. Possible 4th/5th starters/first guys off the bench aren't what gauntlets are made of.
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I'm not sure why it matters when it comes to an individual player.
George Mason isn't equal to Duke, but Tyler Kolek was a more impactful transfer than Jaemyn Brakefield or Henry Coleman.
I have no idea whether Cardet will help Providence or not. But the argument that he can't "because Chicago State" is silly.
Where a player plays gives their performance context. Saying you put up 18.7 points a game (which was the only stat referenced in the original post) is a lot more impressive at George Mason, ECU, Duke, etc than it is at Chicago State.
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Hunter ending up here could be like how Shaka ended up at MU. Timing is everything. I think he is a very good fit and a position that needs some firepower. This is one guy I would like to see added from the portal.
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Where a player plays gives their performance context. Saying you put up 18.7 points a game (which was the only stat referenced in the original post) is a lot more impressive at George Mason, ECU, Duke, etc than it is at Chicago State.
Entirely possible. But Cardet started every game as a freshman at Samford in the SoCon and transferred to help his uncle who had taken over arguably the hardest job in D1 at Chicago State. Cardet led them in scoring for two years, putting up solid efficiency numbers on a team where it's very hard to do that and led them to their two best kenpom finishes since the oughts.
We just saw a Northern Colorado transfer who played on two sub-200 kenpom teams transform into a first team All-American at Tennessee. If kenpom #222 Northern Colorado could have an All-American in Dalton Knecht on their roster, it's entirely plausible #295 Chicago State could have a quality high major starter on theirs.
Writing off Cardet to me seems premature. Every now and then bad programs have good players, I think this could be one of those cases.
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Where a player plays gives their performance context. Saying you put up 18.7 points a game (which was the only stat referenced in the original post) is a lot more impressive at George Mason, ECU, Duke, etc than it is at Chicago State.
But I didn't write anything about how many ppg Cardet scored or whether or not that's as impressive as posting similar numbers at a different program.
I just think it's silly to write off a player solely on the fact he played one season at Chicago State.
It wasn't so long ago that people here were certain that a guy who put up numbers at an NAIA school could have an impact for a high-major program.
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Having taught Tyrese in high school, I would be ecstatic to see him come to Marquette to finish his career. He'd bring the shooting and ball handling we need, though I'm not sure he'd want to come off the bench and pushing Chase to the bench seems against Shakas style
Given the openings, I wouldn't be shocked to see Tyrese go to Madison to play with his high school teammate McGee. They're still close and I know Kam came to Milwaukee to see Tyrese play for Texas .
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Of all the rotational players from last year, Hunter would have been 7th in EFG (behind Jop, ahead of Chase.) Now his assist rate is decent, but that turnover rate? Yikes.
If it weren't for the fact that he is from Racine, would anyone really be excited about him? A guy who can provide depth at the guard position, but that's about it. He's a pretty inefficient player who hasn't improved much at all in college.
That being said, if Shaka wants him, I'm on-board. But I don't think any of us have to worry about that.
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Of all the rotational players from last year, Hunter would have been 7th in EFG (behind Jop, ahead of Chase.) Now his assist rate is decent, but that turnover rate? Yikes.
If it weren't for the fact that he is from Racine, would anyone really be excited about him? A guy who can provide depth at the guard position, but that's about it. He's a pretty inefficient player who hasn't improved much at all in college.
That being said, if Shaka wants him, I'm on-board. But I don't think any of us have to worry about that.
Yeah, I thought even for having good counting stats at ISU, he was pretty inefficient. If Shaka sees a fit, I'm onboard, but not sure he's a must get or anything.
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Of all the rotational players from last year, Hunter would have been 7th in EFG (behind Jop, ahead of Chase.) Now his assist rate is decent, but that turnover rate? Yikes.
If it weren't for the fact that he is from Racine, would anyone really be excited about him? A guy who can provide depth at the guard position, but that's about it. He's a pretty inefficient player who hasn't improved much at all in college.
That being said, if Shaka wants him, I'm on-board. But I don't think any of us have to worry about that.
Yeah, he’s been wildly inefficient. I’d trust Shaka with him and he’d be fine as a depth piece. Maybe they catch lighting in a bottle and he takes a big leap but he hasn’t shown it yet
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Hunter a good spot up shooter and good in transition, as well as a good distributor. A few too many turnovers and less than ideal size, but the biggest issue is he's not very good in pick n roll ball handler situations.
He's a good defender and Texas was better on both offense and defense with him on the floor this past year. I could see a world where Kam is the point on offense with Hunter off the ball, but Hunter takes the best guard on the defensive end. If the staff thinks it can work I'd be interested to see how it worked, but I'm not sure he's the ideal fit in a vacuum.
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Hunter ending up here could be like how Shaka ended up at MU. Timing is everything. I think he is a very good fit and a position that needs some firepower. This is one guy I would like to see added from the portal.
I'm a big believer in adding talent if it will be a net positive. And again, I trust Shaka, so if he wanted to bring in Hunter I'd be sure he'd have a plan and it would work out.
But I also agree with what some other Scoopers are saying. If Hunter were to come to Marquette, it would mean somebody whom Shaka has considered very valuable would have to sacrifice PT, most likely Stevie or Ross (or both). And that would seem to go against exactly what Shaka has been preaching the last 2 years: taking care of his own.
I don't think this conversation is gonna matter because I doubt Hunter-to-Marquette has a chance of happening ... but if it did happen, it would make for a really interesting case study into how Shaka would handle this kind of thing.
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I'm a big believer in adding talent if it will be a net positive. And again, I trust Shaka, so if he wanted to bring in Hunter I'd be sure he'd have a plan and it would work out.
But I also agree with what some other Scoopers are saying. If Hunter were to come to Marquette, it would mean somebody whom Shaka has considered very valuable would have to sacrifice PT, most likely Stevie or Ross (or both). And that would seem to go against exactly what Shaka has been preaching the last 2 years: taking care of his own.
I don't think this conversation is gonna matter because I doubt Hunter-to-Marquette has a chance of happening ... but if it did happen, it would make for a really interesting case study into how Shaka would handle this kind of thing.
I don't think starting matters so much as minutes played. There would be plenty of minutes available for Chase, Hunter and others. I guess the bigger issue might be NIL money. Someone coming in getting more money than those currently on the team could cause a problem. Either way, I doubt Hunter comes to MU. I think Bucky is scrambling and going to make sure Hunter gets paid to go to Madison.
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The primary reason to bring in Hunter would be to move Kam off the ball more and insurance at the PG position. We have no idea when JTY will be ready and it's unknown if Chase, ZL, or Norman can play the 1. I do think Mitchell can for spot minutes.
My contention is our priority should be getting a big. We have no insurance for Ben. I do think we will see a lot of 4 guard line-ups, and Ross, ZL, and Tre are all big guards with the athleticism to defend and rebound. But I would feel much better about this team moving forward with a badass big; capable of inflicting damage; mixing it up a bit; and being a dominant presence on both ends of the floor.
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The primary reason to bring in Hunter would be to move Kam off the ball more and insurance at the PG position. We have no idea when JTY will be ready and it's unknown if Chase, ZL, or Norman can play the 1. I do think Mitchell can for spot minutes.
My contention is our priority should be getting a big. We have no insurance for Ben. I do think we will see a lot of 4 guard line-ups, and Ross, ZL, and Tre are all big guards with the athleticism to defend and rebound. But I would feel much better about this team moving forward with a badass big; capable of inflicting damage; mixing it up a bit; and being a dominant presence on both ends of the floor.
I would prefer a big but there are not many out there. Shake must feel good that one of the guys will step up and be a suitable sub for Ben.
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But I didn't write anything about how many ppg Cardet scored or whether or not that's as impressive as posting similar numbers at a different program.
I just think it's silly to write off a player solely on the fact he played one season at Chicago State.
It wasn't so long ago that people here were certain that a guy who put up numbers at an NAIA school could have an impact for a high-major program.
You're assuming two things, one that i wrote him off, two that the only criteria I was using was where he was from.
I think Cardet will be fine. I was just pointing out some hyperbole.
I looked at the numbers Cardet put up and given the context that he put them up for Chicago State i don't think his addition significantly changes how much of a gauntlet the Big East will be next season. If he put up better numbers, i would have a different opinion.
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The primary reason to bring in Hunter would be to move Kam off the ball more and insurance at the PG position. We have no idea when JTY will be ready and it's unknown if Chase, ZL, or Norman can play the 1. I do think Mitchell can for spot minutes.
My contention is our priority should be getting a big. We have no insurance for Ben. I do think we will see a lot of 4 guard line-ups, and Ross, ZL, and Tre are all big guards with the athleticism to defend and rebound. But I would feel much better about this team moving forward with a badass big; capable of inflicting damage; mixing it up a bit; and being a dominant presence on both ends of the floor.
Muggsy:
One scenario that could play out is that JTY sits out the entire season and focuses on getting his body 100 percent again.
Tyrese would be a one year rental to fill the JTY role. Seems like the biggest issue would be NIL and that could be a bridge too far.
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I would prefer a big but there are not many out there. Shake must feel good that one of the guys will step up and be a suitable sub for Ben.
Benny has a lot of skills. I'm not particularly concerned with his offense. The question is can he rebound, stay out of foul trouble, and defend at a reasonable level. He's shown to be a pretty good help defender and I think he has the footspeed to guard on switches. But he also gets beat and pushed around a lot. I would like to see him gain some muscle.
I think the two X factors for this team will be whether we can get immediate contributions from the Frosh, or if one of our Soph bigs can step up. If both are the case we could definitely be in business. Kam coming back changes everything and I expect Ross' explosiveness, and ability to shred nets from distance, to be a joy to watch in '24-25. This kid has the goods.
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TAMU
I definitely think if one of the frosh can contribute that it changes things for next season. I think they will get plenty of opportunities to prove themselves. Who is the second Soph big?
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I think there's confusion over the class status of Hamilton.
Amadou will be a sophomore, Hamilton will be a redshirt freshman. But as both have been here for a year, they are being lumped together.
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I think there's confusion over the class status of Hamilton.
Amadou will be a sophomore, Hamilton will be a redshirt freshman. But as both have been here for a year, they are being lumped together.
Yes, and thus 3x3x3x3 works
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You're assuming two things, one that i wrote him off, two that the only criteria I was using was where he was from.
OK. But where he's from is the only criteria I've seen mentioned here. I'm open to you having considered other factors that have gone unmentioned.
I also don't think he makes the Big East any more of a gauntlet. But could he make Providence better? I don't see why not. One would assume the Providence staff believes so.
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Providence sucks
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Providence sucks
English Enterprises???
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Providence sucks
Way too early tiering. I put Butler, Georgetown, and Xavier ahead of them next year.
No one on that roster is as impressive as devin carter was. They lost their second best player in oduro, 3rd or 4th best in Gaines. Hopkins looked horrendous before he tore his knee up. Now their second best player is Jayden pierre or Jabari Abdul Rahim?
I would take a Malick Mack or Micah peavy over most of the guys they got to transfer ing.
And i doubt they can coach offense with that staff.
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English Enterprises???
English Enterprises set to outperform
Scoop Bearish Expectations
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Looking at the T-Ranking Rostercast today.
BE (overall)
1. Xavier (10)
2. UConn (11)
3. Marquette (12)
4. Creighton (37)
5. Providence (41)
6. Butler (43)
7. Villanova (59)
8. St. John's (79)
9. Georgetown (104)
10. DePaul (131)
11. Seton Hall (134)
Sean Jones is included in this projection. Drop him and Marquette becomes 14th overall.
Drop Sean Jones and add Tyrese Hunter, Marquette moves up to 11th overall.
Just one model, but it gives me a good idea of how Marquette stacks up. Lots of transfers still have to pick their new schools, so these ranking will change. But this tool gives me some insight as to why Shaka might be more content with his roster than some Scoopers are.
My guess is Shaka will move forward with the current roster. I expect his focus will be locking down his 2025 HS priorities while everyone else plays roster musical chairs.
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English Enterprises set to outperform
Scoop Bearish Expectations
Kiss of death for Providence if Herm thinks they’ll be good. Bet the farm on the under for wins
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Elijah Hawkins of Minnesota into the portal.
Finished 2nd in the Country in assists per game behind Kolek.
👀
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Tyrese Hunter just tweeted "5:00 PM CT" and then deleted it.
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Elijah Hawkins of Minnesota into the portal.
Finished 2nd in the Country in assists per game behind Kolek.
Didn’t finish second, but…
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Didn’t finish second, but…
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1. Kolek 7.7
2. Smith 7.5
2. Hawkins 7.5
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Tyrese Hunter just tweeted "5:00 PM CT" and then deleted it.
I also find the Resy App confusing
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Way too early tiering. I put Butler, Georgetown, and Xavier ahead of them next year.
No one on that roster is as impressive as devin carter was. They lost their second best player in oduro, 3rd or 4th best in Gaines. Hopkins looked horrendous before he tore his knee up. Now their second best player is Jayden pierre or Jabari Abdul Rahim?
I would take a Malick Mack or Micah peavy over most of the guys they got to transfer ing.
And i doubt they can coach offense with that staff.
I’m not confident Hopkins looked bad. He was shooting poorly from 3, but it was a small sample and the rest of his game looked good to me. And he’s proven he can hit capably the last two years
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1. Kolek 7.7
2. Smith 7.5
2. Hawkins 7.5
No. 3. Hawkins
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/140
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No. 3. Hawkins
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/140
ESPN has them tied at 2 so I apologize, but typical SCOOP nitpick. I'm sorry for moving the goalposts so drastically from 2 to 3.
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No. 3. Hawkins
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/140
Whatup Symir Torrence. I see you.
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?
1. Kolek 7.7
2. Smith 7.5
2. Hawkins 7.5
Minnesota is notorious for inflating assists numbers
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I just thought of something that I haven't seen discussed anywhere.
Couldn't a school get around the scholarship limit by giving a player a crap ton of NIL money and having him pay his own tuition? It's my understanding that at MU, every player on the roster gets money (some more than others, of course). If there were no scholarships available and there was a great player in the portal we were interested in (and vice versa), could we make him a $500,000 walk-on?
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Minnesota is notorious for inflating assists numbers
The land of 10,000 assists.
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I just thought of something that I haven't seen discussed anywhere.
Couldn't a school get around the scholarship limit by giving a player a crap ton of NIL money and having him pay his own tuition? It's my understanding that at MU, every player on the roster gets money (some more than others, of course). If there were no scholarships available and there was a great player in the portal we were interested in (and vice versa), could we make him a $500,000 walk-on?
Yes.
And coaches could adopt a player and they could get free tuition, too.
But yeah, I'm sure a good player would love to dip into his or her NIL earnings to pay for tuition, room and board, etc.
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I just thought of something that I haven't seen discussed anywhere.
Couldn't a school get around the scholarship limit by giving a player a crap ton of NIL money and having him pay his own tuition? It's my understanding that at MU, every player on the roster gets money (some more than others, of course). If there were no scholarships available and there was a great player in the portal we were interested in (and vice versa), could we make him a $500,000 walk-on?
Could be done. Likely won't be done because it's already impossible to have a 13 man rotation, adding even more bodies makes it even more impossible. Especially likely won't be done at MU because that does not exactly reinforce the culture that Shaka has been building, seems likely that if it is ever done it would be by one of those coaches that is known for not exactly following the rules.
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Could be done. Likely won't be done because it's already impossible to have a 13 man rotation, adding even more bodies makes it even more impossible. Especially likely won't be done at MU because that does not exactly reinforce the culture that Shaka has been building, seems likely that if it is ever done it would be by one of those coaches that is known for not exactly following the rules.
Probably one of the Drew brothers. Scott the most likely.
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I’m not seeing any players that MU reportedly has reached out to (and that are still available) in the portal as easy fits other than possibly Saran.
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
Phew! Glad some of us got in our speculation just in time!
Good luck to Tyrese in delivering a national title to Penny.
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I wonder how big the FedEx truck was that delivered the NIL deal.
Maybe we will get him next year when he does his annual trip to the portal.
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Looking at the T-Ranking Rostercast today.
BE (overall)
1. Xavier (10)
2. UConn (11)
3. Marquette (12)
4. Creighton (37)
5. Providence (41)
6. Butler (43)
7. Villanova (59)
8. St. John's (79)
9. Georgetown (104)
10. DePaul (131)
11. Seton Hall (134)
Sean Jones is included in this projection. Drop him and Marquette becomes 14th overall.
Drop Sean Jones and add Tyrese Hunter, Marquette moves up to 11th overall.
Just one model, but it gives me a good idea of how Marquette stacks up. Lots of transfers still have to pick their new schools, so these ranking will change. But this tool gives me some insight as to why Shaka might be more content with his roster than some Scoopers are.
My guess is Shaka will move forward with the current roster. I expect his focus will be locking down his 2025 HS priorities while everyone else plays roster musical chairs.
Note in the BT evaluation Zaide Lowery has an expected 0 production/impact for the team.
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
Kam cooled on Memphis.
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
Huh.
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Tyre$e'$ dream $chool.
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I’m not seeing any players that MU reportedly has reached out to (and that are still available) in the portal as easy fits other than possibly Saran.
I think MU stands pat. If I happen to be wrong, your choice is not bad. Tyran Cook has been reached out to. I can see him coming to MU as depth at the PG.
Again, my instinct is that Shaka rides with what he has.
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(https://media1.tenor.com/m/DKVuuPDBHScAAAAC/the-hollow-crown-sophie-okonedo.gif)
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Huh.
Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
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Looking at the T-Ranking Rostercast today.
BE (overall)
1. Xavier (10)
2. UConn (11)
3. Marquette (12)
4. Creighton (37)
5. Providence (41)
6. Butler (43)
7. Villanova (59)
8. St. John's (79)
9. Georgetown (104)
10. DePaul (131)
11. Seton Hall (134)
Sean Jones is included in this projection. Drop him and Marquette becomes 14th overall.
Drop Sean Jones and add Tyrese Hunter, Marquette moves up to 11th overall.
Just one model, but it gives me a good idea of how Marquette stacks up. Lots of transfers still have to pick their new schools, so these ranking will change. But this tool gives me some insight as to why Shaka might be more content with his roster than some Scoopers are.
My guess is Shaka will move forward with the current roster. I expect his focus will be locking down his 2025 HS priorities while everyone else plays roster musical chairs.
IMO
Bartovik does a really poor job prognosticating defense. Especially with the amount of Turnover in college basketball at the moment.
Hoop ex is probably best right now.
EvanMiya’s is the best at the start of the next season. But that takes time to update.
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Yes.
And coaches could adopt a player and they could get free tuition, too.
But yeah, I'm sure a good player would love to dip into his or her NIL earnings to pay for tuition, room and board, etc.
HC to recruit…well ‘pay’ you $250,000 this season to play here…tuition, room/board covered. Or, we’ll ‘pay’ you $350,000 this season…and you cover tuition, room/board to open a scholarship for your AAU buddy…and you keep the difference.
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis.
https://twitter.com/hunter_tyrese/status/1782530401904312725?t=JK-pSav32bYpRaQrG9S3tA&s=19
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis
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Tyrese Hunter to Memphis
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Hopefully Tower reads this.
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HC to recruit…well ‘pay’ you $250,000 this season to play here…tuition, room/board covered. Or, we’ll ‘pay’ you $350,000 this season…and you cover tuition, room/board to open a scholarship for your AAU buddy…and you keep the difference.
Exactly. If a guy can’t figure that 350,000 - 50,000 in expenses is a better deal than 250,000 and zero expenses we probably can’t get his dumb ass into school.
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Exactly. If a guy can’t figure that 350,000 - 50,000 in expenses is a better deal than 250,000 and zero expenses we probably can’t get his dumb ass into school.
How many times has this actually happened?
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How many times has this actually happened?
Chick was talking hypotheticals.
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Hopefully Tower reads this.
Huh.
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Exactly. If a guy can’t figure that 350,000 - 50,000 in expenses is a better deal than 250,000 and zero expenses we probably can’t get his dumb ass into school.
That happens, and the other starters on the team are probably in the portal the next day
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That happens, and the other starters on the team are probably in the portal the next day
Didn’t happen when Kansas gave Dickerson 700,000
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Nah, what happened with Dickerson was Oso kicked his $700K arse from here to tomorrow!
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The school can’t pay the player. So if some alumni says I can pay $350K for this player, why would the player say I’ll take that and hey MU, we’re good. I’ll pay full tuition and room and board?
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The school can’t pay the player. So if some alumni says I can pay $350K for this player, why would the player say I’ll take that and hey MU, we’re good. I’ll pay full tuition and room and board?
I am thinking about this type of scenario:
The NIL collective has some available money, perhaps a high six-figure amount. For fun, let's say it was for a player that they were hoping to return, but who decided to leave for the draft. In the meantime, they recruited other players to use up all of the available scholarships, but the team could still really use a big.
Now, the team's dream big enters the portal and indicates he would really like to play for your team. He tells the team that another school has offered him $750K. You tell him that you don't have any available scholarships, but you can offer him $825K, but he would have to pay his own tuition and room and board. Why wouldn't a recruit consider that offer?
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Huh.
They're just letting you know a 3rd and 4th time that Hunter is going to Memphis.
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Is there a limit an incoming Frosh can be paid under the current system? For example, do we have any idea how much Cooper Flagg is getting at Duke? I was just curious. Ty.
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Is there a limit an incoming Frosh can be paid under the current system? For example, do we have any idea how much Cooper Flagg is getting at Duke? I was just curious. Ty.
No. There are no limits.
No idea and its not been published.
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Didn’t happen when Kansas gave Dickerson 700,000
Dickerson paid his tuition?
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No one with that last name played for Kansas last season. Hunter DICKINSON got a fair amount of coin.
Huh.
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Any news on Tyrese Hunter?
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Exactly. If a guy can’t figure that 350,000 - 50,000 in expenses is a better deal than 250,000 and zero expenses we probably can’t get his dumb ass into school.
haha. I don’t know math…I’m still stuck on free throws no matta.
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Any news on Tyrese Hunter?
Huh.
Cc: Tower
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Any news on Tyrese Hunter?
He transferred to Memphis
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Really? Huh.
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Any news on Tyrese Hunter?
He transferred to Texas. My sources aren’t always up to date though.
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The school can’t pay the player. So if some alumni says I can pay $350K for this player, why would the player say I’ll take that and hey MU, we’re good. I’ll pay full tuition and room and board?
Wades
If his next highest offer is 200,000 and a schollie from Xavier why wouldn’t he? Just math.
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UW strikes out on Brandon Angel (to Oregon) and Frankie Fidler (to MSU).
Damn shame. Daaaaaamn shame.
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UW strikes out on Brandon Angel (to Oregon) and Frankie Fidler (to MSU).
Damn shame. Daaaaaamn shame.
AWWWWWW.
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UW strikes out on Brandon Angel (to Oregon) and Frankie Fidler (to MSU).
Damn shame. Daaaaaamn shame.
…and word from behind enemy lines was Tyrese was also a top target. Boom!
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…and word from behind enemy lines was Tyrese was also a top target. Boom!
If true, that would have been an atrocious fit. Gard seems to have no sense for the types of players he should be targeting. Totally floundering.
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If true, that would have been an atrocious fit. Gard seems to have no sense for the types of players he should be targeting. Totally floundering.
agreed. Buckysfifthquarter posted UW missed on their top three targets, Tyrese Hunter was one of the three. The other two signed with Oregon and Michigan St, respectively
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If true, that would have been an atrocious fit. Gard seems to have no sense for the types of players he should be targeting. Totally floundering.
Agree; wondering if he’s pandering to the dumb, red masses and just trying to stay in their good graces, as temporarily as it may be
Now, Freitag… him going there I don’t like. Hunter would have been funny though
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I am thinking about this type of scenario:
The NIL collective has some available money, perhaps a high six-figure amount. For fun, let's say it was for a player that they were hoping to return, but who decided to leave for the draft. In the meantime, they recruited other players to use up all of the available scholarships, but the team could still really use a big.
Now, the team's dream big enters the portal and indicates he would really like to play for your team. He tells the team that another school has offered him $750K. You tell him that you don't have any available scholarships, but you can offer him $825K, but he would have to pay his own tuition and room and board. Why wouldn't a recruit consider that offer?
Yes that could theoretically happen.
Just like Shaka adopting a player to get him free tuition could theoretically happen.
What's a lot more likely in that situation is that the school would recruit the transfer, give him a scholarship, and give someone already on the roster the old heave ho.
No team needs all 13 of its scholarships. Getting around the scholarship limit doesn't provide any meaningful advantage.
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No team needs all 13 of its scholarships. Getting around the scholarship limit doesn't provide any meaningful advantage.
This is the thing. Few teams have a rotation that goes more than 7-8 deep. And the ones that do maybe go to 9-10. No one is desperate to find minutes for the 14th man. If a team is telling you to pay your own way, it probably means the same thing it does for the walk-ons; you aren't good enough to get consistent minutes here.
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Izzo loves the portal
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Listening to 97.3 now, love hearing Mike heller complain and bitch how the badgers “don’t have enough NIL money” 😂😂😂
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This is the thing. Few teams have a rotation that goes more than 7-8 deep. And the ones that do maybe go to 9-10. No one is desperate to find minutes for the 14th man. If a team is telling you to pay your own way, it probably means the same thing it does for the walk-ons; you aren't good enough to get consistent minutes here.
Exactly. And if you aren't good enough for minutes, you probably aren't getting $750K in your pockets, less room, board, and tuition.
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Listening to 97.3 now, love hearing Mike heller complain and bitch how the badgers “don’t have enough NIL money” 😂😂😂
Apparently too many UW-Madison grads are still working at their minimum wage careers. ;D
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Listening to 97.3 now, love hearing Mike heller complain and bitch how the badgers “don’t have enough NIL money” 😂😂😂
My main question is why you listen to 97.3.
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Seth Trimble withdrawing his name from the portal and staying at UNC.
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My main question is why you listen to 97.3.
know someone on air on the show right before. Thanks for the 2cents tho
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UW strikes out on Brandon Angel (to Oregon) and Frankie Fidler (to MSU).
Damn shame. Daaaaaamn shame.
I remember in 2005 when Marquette joined the Big East, the cackling out of Madison was that MU basketball would immediately nosedive to the bottom of the League, never to be heard from again. Eight straight trips to the NCAA Tourney squelched that.
Then in 2013 when the BE was reformulated, the prediction was that MU and their Catholic friends would become the Horizon League and cease being relevant in college basketball.
Then the last few years they've been extolling the virtues of Greg Gard, all while implying that MU was somehow "stuck" with Shaka Smart.
They've lost 7 guys so far this spring to the transfer portal ( including 2 walk ons). There is no amount of basketball misery that could be heaped on these basterds over there, that would effect my good nights sleep. I hope they have to suit up 12 walk ons this Fall just to field a team. Sixteenth place in their new 18 team conference seems about right.
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I remember in 2005 when Marquette joined the Big East, the cackling out of Madison was that MU basketball would immediately nosedive to the bottom of the League, never to be heard from again. Eight straight trips to the NCAA Tourney squelched that.
Then in 2013 when the BE was reformulated, the prediction was that MU and their Catholic friends would become the Horizon League and cease being relevant in college basketball.
Then the last few years they've been extolling the virtues of Greg Gard, all while implying that MU was somehow "stuck" with Shaka Smart.
They've lost 7 guys so far this spring to the transfer portal ( including 2 walk ons). There is no amount of basketball misery that could be heaped on these basterds over there, that would effect my good nights sleep. I hope they have to suit up 12 walk ons this Fall just to field a team. Sixteenth place in their new 18 team conference seems about right.
my man!
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I hope they have to suit up 12 walk ons this Fall just to field a team.
They'd still make the Final Four as usual. Because they always find a way to get it done.
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I remember in 2005 when Marquette joined the Big East, the cackling out of Madison was that MU basketball would immediately nosedive to the bottom of the League, never to be heard from again. Eight straight trips to the NCAA Tourney squelched that.
Then in 2013 when the BE was reformulated, the prediction was that MU and their Catholic friends would become the Horizon League and cease being relevant in college basketball.
Then the last few years they've been extolling the virtues of Greg Gard, all while implying that MU was somehow "stuck" with Shaka Smart.
They've lost 7 guys so far this spring to the transfer portal ( including 2 walk ons). There is no amount of basketball misery that could be heaped on these basterds over there, that would effect my good nights sleep. I hope they have to suit up 12 walk ons this Fall just to field a team. Sixteenth place in their new 18 team conference seems about right.
Excellent synopsis dtd!
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I remember in 2005 when Marquette joined the Big East, the cackling out of Madison was that MU basketball would immediately nosedive to the bottom of the League, never to be heard from again. Eight straight trips to the NCAA Tourney squelched that.
Then in 2013 when the BE was reformulated, the prediction was that MU and their Catholic friends would become the Horizon League and cease being relevant in college basketball.
Then the last few years they've been extolling the virtues of Greg Gard, all while implying that MU was somehow "stuck" with Shaka Smart.
They've lost 7 guys so far this spring to the transfer portal ( including 2 walk ons). There is no amount of basketball misery that could be heaped on these basterds over there, that would effect my good nights sleep. I hope they have to suit up 12 walk ons this Fall just to field a team. Sixteenth place in their new 18 team conference seems about right.
Are there any other schools that lost so many players to the portal without a coaching change?
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Seton Hall is close.
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They'd still make the Final Four as usual. Because they always find a way to get it done.
Gard does get it done. I’ve seen their obituary written about a lot the last 20 years. That’s all I’ll say
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Seton Hall is close.
Meh. Seton Hall is only at 6 transfers.
Xavier has 10 departures. So far.
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SHU are pikers.
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Gard does get it done. I’ve seen their obituary written about a lot the last 20 years. That’s all I’ll say
Oh for sure. National championship is in the bag.
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RED missed on Trimble too! But…Gard does know ball.
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Predictions will have the Badgers finishing 14th in the conference and GG being the first coach fired. In reality, they will beat MU at Fiserv, finish 3rd in the conference, win the BIG 60 tournament and advance to the second round of the Dance.
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Predictions will have the Badgers finishing 14th in the conference and GG being the first coach fired. In reality, they will beat MU at Fiserv, finish 3rd in the conference, win the BIG 60 tournament and advance to the second round of the Dance.
Yeah. Just like Gard’s routinely done since having to coach his own roster and not Bo’s.
They can beat us every year if we’re going to be a top 10 team and they’re not going to win Tourney games for all I care.
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Are there any other schools that lost so many players to the portal without a coaching change?
Xavier
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Yeah. Just like Gard’s routinely done since having to coach his own roster and not Bo’s.
They can beat us every year if we’re going to be a top 10 team and they’re not going to win Tourney games for all I care.
you live in WI, hey?
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Are there any other schools that lost so many players to the portal without a coaching change?
So, my innocent question about UW led to the reality that two BEast schools (Seton Hall and Xavier) have lost as many or more players to the portal without a coaching change. Wow.
Does that say something about the BEast and/or about coaches in the BEast? Or, do folks know of other schools in other conferences that are losing so many players?
The portal and NIL are undoubtedly changing college basketball. Call me Rip Van Winkle.
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So, my innocent question about UW led to the reality that two BEast schools (Seton Hall and Xavier) have lost as many or more players to the portal without a coaching change. Wow.
Does that say something about the BEast and/or about coaches in the BEast? Or, do folks know of other schools in other conferences that are losing so many players?
The portal and NIL are undoubtedly changing college basketball. Call me Rip Van Winkle.
What does Duke just adding a transfer player to get their roster up to 6 players for next year say about the current state of CBB?
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So, my innocent question about UW led to the reality that two BEast schools (Seton Hall and Xavier) have lost as many or more players to the portal without a coaching change. Wow.
Does that say something about the BEast and/or about coaches in the BEast? Or, do folks know of other schools in other conferences that are losing so many players?
The portal and NIL are undoubtedly changing college basketball. Call me Rip Van Winkle.
I suspect those two situations are quite different. With the huge exception of Desmond Claude, I don't think Sean Miller was interested in keeping most of the guys around that left. He had to scurry to fill roster slots when Freemantle and Hunter went down before the season for the year, and some of the late additions did not meet expectations. Miller was very vocal about several guys not meeting his standards after the MU game this year, so cleaning house was not unexpected. They have seemingly done very well with the portal this year. Obviously, Claude was a huge loss and I suspect he's chasing big cash, even though it was reported he would be getting around $500k from X. Not a good sign if there is huge transfer turnover again next year, but for now I think and hope X should be ok.
Seton Hall, on the other hand, seems more concerning to me. After what should have been a feel good end to the season it is surprising to me that so many are leaving and those moves seem likely to be lateral type moves rather than significant jumps up or down in terms of the stature of their potential landing spots. As many have noted on this board, Shaheen does not look like much fun to play for from an outsider's view.
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What does Duke just adding a transfer player to get their roster up to 6 players for next year say about the current state of CBB?
That it continues to evolve, as it has for decades and decades.
What did freshmen suddenly becoming eligible in 1972 say about the state of CBB back then? What did the introduction of the shot clock and 3-point line in the '80s say about the state of CBB back then?
Change happens - in CBB and everything else. Adapt or whither away.
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So, my innocent question about UW led to the reality that two BEast schools (Seton Hall and Xavier) have lost as many or more players to the portal without a coaching change. Wow.
Does that say something about the BEast and/or about coaches in the BEast? Or, do folks know of other schools in other conferences that are losing so many players?
The portal and NIL are undoubtedly changing college basketball. Call me Rip Van Winkle.
I think the circumstances are different. I do think SHU has issues with NIL, but I'm not sure that's all of it. Shaheen Holloway has generally underachieved from November through February, but March results at both St. Peter's and SHU have buoyed his reputation. Along the way, he regularly throws players under the bus and seems to be difficult to get along with (the Donald Copeland incident is still very strange). I suspect a combination of not having the money or personality to retain players is what's leading to their issues.
Xavier, on the other hand, is less clear. I can see maybe thinking Nzeh, Ciani, Ousmane, Craft, Duncomb, and Ducharme just weren't good enough at this level. So they replace with Maddox, Conwell, Hugley, and Maddox. But I'm baffled that they couldn't retain Claude, who really seemed like the focal point of the team. With the return of Freemantle and Hunter, it is a very, very old team. Maybe one geared to make a big run (Torvik has them top-10) but possibly one that will also need an even bigger rebuild next year. Someone suggested to me that Miller might be gearing up to have a big 2024-25 in hopes of getting a bigger job next summer. Looking at his roster, that doesn't seem all that crazy to think.
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I was told by a Xavier friend that Claude’s parents are big time helicopter parents and Miller got sick of them. He told him to take a hike
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Claude… not a very good player on offense. But wants heavy usage. Really don’t see it as a big loss
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That it continues to evolve, as it has for decades and decades.
What did freshmen suddenly becoming eligible in 1972 say about the state of CBB back then? What did the introduction of the shot clock and 3-point line in the '80s say about the state of CBB back then?
Change happens - in CBB and everything else. Adapt or whither away.
I agree. I was trying to illustrate that X and SHU are hardly unique going up to the highest levels of CBB.
MU is now the unicorn of CBB with all our continuity.
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I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on our neighbors to the west who are taking a valiant stand against the new era of college basketball and continuing to do things the right way
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I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on our neighbors to the west who are taking a valiant stand against the new era of college basketball and continuing to do things the right way
Noted.
Now back to our regular programming.
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I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on our neighbors to the west who are taking a valiant stand against the new era of college basketball and continuing to do things the right way
Gard continues to get it done the right way.
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Gard continues to get it done the right way.
Admire them for not playing the game and paying for play. When the brought in AJ Storr last year, he came their for an education and to become a more well-rounded player. He didn’t take a dime from what I was told. Sadly, everyone tampered with him.
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Admire them for not playing the game and paying for play. When the brought in AJ Storr last year, he came their for an education and to become a more well-rounded player. He didn’t take a dime from what I was told. Sadly, everyone tampered with him.
I think the quality of the Madison education was too good because it taught AJ the value of the free market system. Gard was just an unwitting pawn.
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I think the quality of the Madison education was too good because it taught AJ the value of the free market system. Gard was just an unwitting pawn.
Sad!
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I want everyone to take a moment and reflect on our neighbors to the west who are taking a valiant stand against the new era of college basketball and continuing to do things the right way
May they be the beacon of integrity that restores the glory of amateur athletics!
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Admire them for not playing the game and paying for play. When the brought in AJ Storr last year, he came their for an education and to become a more well-rounded player. He didn’t take a dime from what I was told. Sadly, everyone tampered with him.
Stop it!
I'm losing control of my fragile emotions.
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I'll be honest, I'm not sure anyone has managed the transfer portal era worse than Gard. Realized they had a gap when Davis left, but the replacement (Klesmit) didn't have the athleticism or dynamism to be that alpha that lifted them back to the tournament. They started losing players (Carlson, Jordan Davis) so he brought in Storr to be that next level athlete, but in the process created a locker room rift with Essegian.
Now they have a fractured locker room and are preaching "doing it the right way" so they can't bring guys in, but their own actions are driving players out and because of their style they simply aren't appealing. They likely need to either change their style and NIL tactics to bring in enough talent to compete, or need to drive back toward the slow-down style, prioritize high school recruiting, and reward those that stay while generally staying away from the portal. Or, I suppose, get rid of Gard and move into the 21st century. But the last one seems pretty unlikely.
Though considering Wisconsin has been down and out before only to show up as an annoying top-20 team that beats us in early December, it's too soon to write them off. But man, their fans are frustrated with Gard and the portal.
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I don't think Gard being let go is that out of the question. Between the obvious frustrations you outline, an athletic director with a completely different approach, and the decline of the Platteville Posse group of boosters, I'm not sure Gard survives a bad year.
As you say, he was doing things the way they were always done, tried to be different by recruiting transfers, only to have everything blow up in his face.
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I'll be honest, I'm not sure anyone has managed the transfer portal era worse than Gard. Realized they had a gap when Davis left, but the replacement (Klesmit) didn't have the athleticism or dynamism to be that alpha that lifted them back to the tournament. They started losing players (Carlson, Jordan Davis) so he brought in Storr to be that next level athlete, but in the process created a locker room rift with Essegian.
Now they have a fractured locker room and are preaching "doing it the right way" so they can't bring guys in, but their own actions are driving players out and because of their style they simply aren't appealing. They likely need to either change their style and NIL tactics to bring in enough talent to compete, or need to drive back toward the slow-down style, prioritize high school recruiting, and reward those that stay while generally staying away from the portal. Or, I suppose, get rid of Gard and move into the 21st century. But the last one seems pretty unlikely.
Though considering Wisconsin has been down and out before only to show up as an annoying top-20 team that beats us in early December, it's too soon to write them off. But man, their fans are frustrated with Gard and the portal.
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Madison simply doesn’t have the money to compete with the big boys of college basketball. They just have their dignity, honesty and pursuit of academic excellence to give to kids who play for the love of the game and the name on the front of the jersey
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Admire them for not playing the game and paying for play. When the brought in AJ Storr last year, he came their for an education and to become a more well-rounded player. He didn’t take a dime from what I was told. Sadly, everyone tampered with him.
The "lets recruit tall white guys from Minnesota" will pay off eventually, right Rico? :)
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I'll be honest, I'm not sure anyone has managed the transfer portal era worse than Gard. Realized they had a gap when Davis left, but the replacement (Klesmit) didn't have the athleticism or dynamism to be that alpha that lifted them back to the tournament. They started losing players (Carlson, Jordan Davis) so he brought in Storr to be that next level athlete, but in the process created a locker room rift with Essegian.
Now they have a fractured locker room and are preaching "doing it the right way" so they can't bring guys in, but their own actions are driving players out and because of their style they simply aren't appealing. They likely need to either change their style and NIL tactics to bring in enough talent to compete, or need to drive back toward the slow-down style, prioritize high school recruiting, and reward those that stay while generally staying away from the portal. Or, I suppose, get rid of Gard and move into the 21st century. But the last one seems pretty unlikely.
Though considering Wisconsin has been down and out before only to show up as an annoying top-20 team that beats us in early December, it's too soon to write them off. But man, their fans are frustrated with Gard and the portal.
Tape recorders being smuggled into team meetings didn't do much for locker room unity, either, on top of everything else you cite.
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The "lets recruit tall white guys from Minnesota" will pay off eventually, right Rico? :)
Those kids get it
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I'll be honest, I'm not sure anyone has managed the transfer portal era worse than Gard. Realized they had a gap when Davis left, but the replacement (Klesmit) didn't have the athleticism or dynamism to be that alpha that lifted them back to the tournament. They started losing players (Carlson, Jordan Davis) so he brought in Storr to be that next level athlete, but in the process created a locker room rift with Essegian.
Now they have a fractured locker room and are preaching "doing it the right way" so they can't bring guys in, but their own actions are driving players out and because of their style they simply aren't appealing. They likely need to either change their style and NIL tactics to bring in enough talent to compete, or need to drive back toward the slow-down style, prioritize high school recruiting, and reward those that stay while generally staying away from the portal. Or, I suppose, get rid of Gard and move into the 21st century. But the last one seems pretty unlikely.
Though considering Wisconsin has been down and out before only to show up as an annoying top-20 team that beats us in early December, it's too soon to write them off. But man, their fans are frustrated with Gard and the portal.
Exactly the scenario Shaka is trying to avoid….much to the disappointment and disapproval of many a scooper.
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Exactly the scenario Shaka is trying to avoid….much to the disappointment and disapproval of many a scooper.
I have said it before and I will say it again, I prefer the quiet MU off seasons.
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There will be unexpected departures one year. That is when I expect Shaka to get busy in the portal. I am rooting for quality 3 man recruiting classes going forward.
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Tape recorders being smuggled into team meetings didn't do much for locker room unity, either, on top of everything else you cite.
I forgot about that one! Thx dtd!
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Dave Skogman to DePaul. Big East is going to be a gauntlet
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Madison simply doesn’t have the money to compete with the big boys of college basketball. They just have their dignity, honesty and pursuit of academic excellence to give to kids who play for the love of the game and the name on the front of the jersey
Yes, it's a pity those freckle-faced lads - gym rats who play the right way - aren't rewarded with a national title every year.
I don't think Gard being let go is that out of the question. Between the obvious frustrations you outline, an athletic director with a completely different approach, and the decline of the Platteville Posse group of boosters, I'm not sure Gard survives a bad year.
Since going to back-to-back Sweet 16s with Bo's recruits, here are Gard's results:
2017-18: Losing record; missed NCAAT
2018-19: Lost in R2 of B39 tourn; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
2019-20: Covid canceled B39 and NCAA tourneys
2020-21: Lost in R2 of B39T; crushed in R2 of NCAAT
2021-22: Lost in R1 of B39T; lost in R2 of NCAAT as 3-seed
2022-23: Lost R1 of B39T; missed NCAAT
2023-24: Lost in title game of B39T; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
So in 7 years, that's 2 missed NCAATs and a 2-4 NCAAT record (with 3 NCAAT losses to lower seeds). I agree that Gard could be on shaky ground. His AD didn't hesitate to fire the football coach.
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2023-24: Lost in title game of B39T; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 3-seed
Ahem, 5 seed, lets not give them anymore credit than due
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2023-24: Lost in title game of B39T; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 3-seed
Ahem, 5 seed, lets not give them anymore credit than due
Thanks for the correction. Management regrets the error.
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I have said it before and I will say it again, I prefer the quiet MU off seasons.
I saw a stat on X - Marquette is one of only 7 schools that had no players enter the portal.
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The "lets recruit tall white guys from Minnesota" will pay off eventually, right Rico? :)
They play the game the right way.
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I saw a stat on X - Marquette is one of only 7 schools that had no players enter the portal.
To the chagrin of a subset of scoopers who are jealous of the uncertainty.
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Yes, it's a pity those freckle-faced lads - gym rats who play the right way - aren't rewarded with a national title every year.
Since going to back-to-back Sweet 16s with Bo's recruits, here are Gard's results:
2017-18: Losing record; missed NCAAT
2018-19: Lost in R2 of B39 tourn; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
2019-20: Covid canceled B39 and NCAA tourneys
2020-21: Lost in R2 of B39T; crushed in R2 of NCAAT
2021-22: Lost in R1 of B39T; lost in R2 of NCAAT as 3-seed
2022-23: Lost R1 of B39T; missed NCAAT
2023-24: Lost in title game of B39T; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
So in 7 years, that's 2 missed NCAATs and a 2-4 NCAAT record (with 3 NCAAT losses to lower seeds). I agree that Gard could be on shaky ground. His AD didn't hesitate to fire the football coach.
you omitted the most important stat…Gard vs Shaka. Big brother is fine. Gard does know ball.
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Yes, it's a pity those freckle-faced lads - gym rats who play the right way - aren't rewarded with a national title every year.
Since going to back-to-back Sweet 16s with Bo's recruits, here are Gard's results:
2017-18: Losing record; missed NCAAT
2018-19: Lost in R2 of B39 tourn; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
2019-20: Covid canceled B39 and NCAA tourneys
2020-21: Lost in R2 of B39T; crushed in R2 of NCAAT
2021-22: Lost in R1 of B39T; lost in R2 of NCAAT as 3-seed
2022-23: Lost R1 of B39T; missed NCAAT
2023-24: Lost in title game of B39T; lost in R1 of NCAAT as 5-seed
So in 7 years, that's 2 missed NCAATs and a 2-4 NCAAT record (with 3 NCAAT losses to lower seeds). I agree that Gard could be on shaky ground. His AD didn't hesitate to fire the football coach.
I repeat, he is the Bagders Hank Raymonds.
I am hoping they skip the Majerus years and go straight to the Dukiet Era.
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So if I am a Bucky booster and can only afford to pick one or really want to pick one program to concentrate do I pick football, hockey or basketball?
Fortunately for MU, hoops gets all the support.
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Saw an interesting factoid today.
There are only seven schools in all of D1 men's basketball that did not have anyone enter the portal.
Kansas
Marquette
Army
Navy
Colgate
Binghamton
South Alabama
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To be celebrated.
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Gard’s 2 big ten titles came with the 13th and 9th SOS in the conference with the unbalanced schedule.
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MU is one of only seven programs to not have a player transfer out during the portal. Kansas is the only other high major.
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Anybody know the status of Hunter?
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Anybody know the status of Hunter?
Hunter Dickerson to Memphis
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Hunter Dickerson to Memphis
He and Kam are gonna make one hell of a duo.
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He and Kam are gonna make one hell of a duo.
As long as we land Tyrese as a replacement.
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you omitted the most important stat…Gard vs Shaka. Big brother is fine. Gard does know ball.
Gard can put that on his resume at his next job in Stevens Point.
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As long as we land Tyrese as a replacement.
Tyrese to Avila could be pretty wild.
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Tyrese to Avila could be pretty wild.
I’ve got insider info that says Hunter and Avila are not likely to end up here
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So Hunter Dickenson, Tyrese Halliburton AND Bob Vila?
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Would look good next to Jolp and Cam.
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So Hunter Dickenson, Tyrese Halliburton AND Bob Vila?
Just imagine the amount of NIL Halliburton would be able to get from Halliburton Company.
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I'm hearing Ryan Kalkbrenner will be hitting the portal.
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I'm hearing Ryan Kalkbrenner will be hitting the portal.
legit?…I thought he was leaning toward the draft
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I’ve got insider info that says Hunter and Avila are not likely to end up here
I would expect MU will go into next season with the current lineup.
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OMax comes back to use another year of eligibility. Scoopers complain he falls down too much, he says screw it, returns to Dallas.
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I think I saw that Marquette is 1 of only 7 schools to not lose a player to the portal so far.
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legit?…I thought he was leaning toward the draft
We'll see if my source is correct. But Kalk doesn't have that great of draft stock, so his NIL market is probably more lucrative.
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I think I saw that Marquette is 1 of only 7 schools to not lose a player to the portal so far.
I'm still reporting that story, hold tight
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Where's Sacar?
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Where's Sacar?
I was just at practice and have you SEEN Dexter Akkano? Dude has put in WORK this offseason. I saw him balling out on some pros in a couple of YouTube clips.
He's probably going to go for 20/5 next year.
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Anyway, back to our regular scheduled program.
Posh Alexander is in the portal again.
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Anyway, back to our regular scheduled program.
Posh Alexander is in the portal again.
lol
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Anyway, back to our regular scheduled program.
Posh Alexander is in the portal again.
Rumored to be a heavy MU lean
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Rumored to be a heavy MU lean
He hasn’t been coached well his entire time in college basketball
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Can John Dawson hit the portal still?
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Anyway, back to our regular scheduled program.
Posh Alexander is in the portal again.
Posh wanted to go to Seton Hall last year after Pitino ran him off, but Kadary Richmond was dead set against it and Holloway acquiesced to his demand. Now that Kadary is on his way out Posh can go back and be closer to home. Sucks for Butler.
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Posh wanted to go to Seton Hall last year after Pitino ran him off, but Kadary Richmond was dead set against it and Holloway acquiesced to his demand. Now that Kadary is on his way out Posh can go back and be closer to home. Sucks for Butler.
Smart move by Pitino running him off.
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Gard can put that on his resume at his next job in Stevens Point.
Hey now, Point has better options...
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Hey now, Point has better options...
I heard Dave Hauser knows ball and knows the area.
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I heard Dave Hauser knows ball and knows the area.
Dave? Joey might be looking for a job soon.
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Dave? Joey might be looking for a job soon.
People just don't understand his skills.
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Norchad Omier to the portal.
That has got Hurley or Pitino written all over it.
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Rumored to be a heavy MU lean
Very heavy
Short, stout and unable to shoot.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1783585265866416489?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Richmond officially in. Sha's got his work cut out for him.
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Gard can put that on his resume at his next job in Stevens Point.
Gard has stated he won't know his full roster until possibly September.
Scoop would suffer a melt down if that was Shaka.
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1783585265866416489?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Richmond officially in. Sha's got his work cut out for him.
Wow.
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Chucky to Louisville.
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Have a friend in SH's compliance program that said no matter what Richmond was gone but he got poor draft feedback.
Also the rumor is Posh to the Hall and Kadary to quick rick.
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Have a friend in SH's compliance program that said no matter what Richmond was gone but he got poor draft feedback.
Also the rumor is Posh to the Hall and Kadary to quick rick.
I think that makes Pitino and Sha Eskimo brothers in some way
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Any word on the size of the bag Louisville gave Chucky?
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Any word on the size of the bag Louisville gave Chucky?
Word is, all he asked for was a lifetime supply of these:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/BandW.jpg)
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Any word on the size of the bag Louisville gave Chucky?
$750,000
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$750,000
That would be ridiculous!
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That would be ridiculous!
Its there about.
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$750,000
Seriously???
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Seriously???
It's significantly better value than Storr
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https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1783585265866416489?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Richmond officially in. Sha's got his work cut out for him.
He seems like a guy who’s going to the highest bidder. hopefully it’s MU. It won’t be but one can dream 😴
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That would be ridiculous!
Beyond ridiculous.
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Seriously???
Yup.
Right in the range of Kam Jones.
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Beyond ridiculous.
Eventually smart people will get tired of lighting their money on fire. But in the meantime hopefully MU will keep up with the going rate but make smarter decisions. I like MUs strategy so far.
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He seems like a guy who’s going to the highest bidder. hopefully it’s MU. It won’t be but one can dream 😴
No thanks.
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Yup.
Right in the range of Kam Jones.
Lol
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1783626563008794671
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1783626563008794671
I wonder if Shaka has Saran wrapped up?
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1783626563008794671
Huh.
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Any word on the size of the bag Louisville gave Chucky?
Per Potroykis on jsonline Chucky is possibly $750K and Storr $1 Million
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I find those numbers to be... difficult to believe.
The fact that known hack and fraud/official repeater of press releases Potrykus is reporting it doesn't increase my confidence.
Not sure how one can structure an incentive laded contract in NIL world, but those have got to be ceiling-type numbers.
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I find those numbers to be... difficult to believe.
The fact that known hack and fraud/official repeater of press releases Potrykus is reporting it doesn't increase my confidence.
Not sure how one can structure an incentive laded contract in NIL world, but those have got to be ceiling-type numbers.
There’s no way Potrykus verified those numbers.
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Per Potroykis on jsonline Chucky is possibly $750K and Storr $1 Million
750k is cope. No way Louisville is throwing that much bank at a guy averaging 9/3/4
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I wonder if Shaka has Saran wrapped up?
It does not sound like it. From a hoops standpoint, MU seems like the best program. He has two California schools on the list (great academic schools) so he might want to stay out there. If he visits, then things might get interesting. He seems like he could play a role that is complementary to Norman and Lowery.
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I wonder if Shaka has Saran wrapped up?
lol. I see where you went there lol. Good play
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Smart move by Pitino running him off.
Definitely. Running off the best perimeter defender in the conference (and DPOY as a freshman) who wants to be at the school, and then complaining that your team can't defend was a brilliant move.
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Definitely. Running off the best perimeter defender in the conference (and DPOY as a freshman) who wants to be at the school, and then complaining that your team can't defend was a brilliant move.
He’s not the best perimeter defender anymore and he’s wildly inefficient on offense
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Lol
I heard Kam was a good but north of $500k, no idea how to validate that, but to me a good bit north of $500k is in the $750k range.
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lol. I see where you went there lol. Good play
Haha. I missed that one.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1783626563008794671
Question: who pays for the travel for someone in the transfer portal to visit a school? Is it like high school recruitment, where the school can pay costs, or it is the player who pays?
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I heard Kam was a good but north of $500k, no idea how to validate that, but to me a good bit north of $500k is in the $750k range.
I wouldn't trust that guy
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Though I have absolutely no problem with these athletes making every penny they can and having freedom of movement, I don't believe most of these NIL numbers.
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Definitely. Running off the best perimeter defender in the conference (and DPOY as a freshman) who wants to be at the school, and then complaining that your team can't defend was a brilliant move.
Stolen from someone else:
The best defense that Posh played last season was on the Butler offense
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I don't believe most of these NIL numbers.
My source told me Kam got $3.2B to return.
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My source told me Kam got $3.2B to return.
Seems a tad high.
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I heard Kam was a good but north of $500k, no idea how to validate that, but to me a good bit north of $500k is in the $750k range.
Much higher than that
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Much higher than that
In Rials?
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My source told me Kam got $3.2B to return.
Per game!
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My source told me Kam got $3.2B to return.
I heard Rico got him a tee time at Augusta too.
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I heard Rico got him a tee time at Augusta too.
I play there pretty regularly
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I heard Rico got him a tee time at Augusta too.
Augusta municipal golf course?
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AJ Hoggard going portaling. Wonder if we have any interest in the ex-MU recruit. Was he decent at MSU? Offensive stats don't look great. Don't know anything about his defensive prowess.
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I heard Rico got him a tee time at Augusta too.
Don’t think that’s allowed, if you know what I mean.
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Much higher than that
Much higher than $500k or $750k?
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I heard Kam was a good but north of $500k, no idea how to validate that, but to me a good bit north of $500k is in the $750k range.
The numbers thrown around here are laughable. Does anyone have a clue how much is actually in the Be the Difference NIL? Because if Kam is "getting $750k" then everyone better start mailing in checks.
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The numbers thrown around here are laughable. Does anyone have a clue how much is actually in the Be the Difference NIL? Because if Kam is "getting $750k" then everyone better start mailing in checks.
My guess is there are players are getting a significant amount of money that isn't running through the collective.
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He’s not the best perimeter defender anymore and he’s wildly inefficient on offense
He's a poor man's Stevie
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The numbers thrown around here are laughable. Does anyone have a clue how much is actually in the Be the Difference NIL? Because if Kam is "getting $750k" then everyone better start mailing in checks.
Well Jeff Goodman all but confirmed Marquette is around the $3M range and one of the higher collectives in the Big East.
Someone had mentioned Kolek had a 7 figure option to return...again who knows if that's true but still...if $3M is accurate, it isn't that crazy to think Kam would get $750k.
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If MU has that much money to blow on kids, then blow some more on a new player for next year!
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Well Jeff Goodman all but confirmed Marquette is around the $3M range and one of the higher collectives in the Big East.
Someone had mentioned Kolek had a 7 figure option to return...again who knows if that's true but still...if $3M is accurate, it isn't that crazy to think Kam would get $750k.
Multiple people have confirmed Uconn MU and Nova are the top 3 NIL programs in the BE and all have $3M to throw around. MU bball is in a good place.
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He's a poor man's Stevie
At least Posh was better than Curbelo
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If MU has that much money to blow on kids, then blow some more on a new player for next year!
The money is used for retention not to pursue transfers from other Conferences.
The money is available for Shaka's guys, but the "7 figure offer" for Kolek isn't just free to use on anyone now. The offers like that present themselves for players that see things through at Marquette and I think I agree with that.
That's how you get this retention method to continue to work.
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Well Jeff Goodman all but confirmed Marquette is around the $3M range and one of the higher collectives in the Big East.
Someone had mentioned Kolek had a 7 figure option to return...again who knows if that's true but still...if $3M is accurate, it isn't that crazy to think Kam would get $750k.
That number is wrong. And regardless, whatever is in the NIL is not all earmarked for men's basketball.
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The money is used for retention not to pursue transfers from other Conferences.
The money is available for Shaka's guys, but the "7 figure offer" for Kolek isn't just free to use on anyone now. The offers like that present themselves for players that see things through at Marquette and I think I agree with that.
That's how you get this retention method to continue to work.
I have no problem with retention
But there is nothing wrong with improving your teams!
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Shaka has been out kicking tires. Thread this needle.
Does not want a bag drop.
Not guaranteed a starting spot or starter minutes.
Buys into MU/Shaka's culture.
Still makes the team better.
Find that player for Shaka.
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Well Jeff Goodman all but confirmed Marquette is around the $3M range and one of the higher collectives in the Big East.
Someone had mentioned Kolek had a 7 figure option to return...again who knows if that's true but still...if $3M is accurate, it isn't that crazy to think Kam would get $750k.
I missed that confirmation. I think Goodman is farting in the wind on this one.
But to be fair, almost all of the NIL numbers publically posted are greatly exaggerated. Good rule of thumb is halve it and youre probably close to correct
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I missed that confirmation. I think Goodman is garting in the wind on this one.
But to be fair, almost all of the NIL numbers publically posted are greatly exaggerated. Good rule of thumb is halve it and youre probably close to correct
Such a common-sense response shows why you are worth every bit of the $3.6 million that TAMU pays you.
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The real question is what is Kansas up to by now? are they north of 5 mill yet
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The real question is what is Kansas up to by now? are they north of 5 mill yet
Well, the word was Dickinson was getting $750k but it turned out to be $353k. These numbers are unreliable and usually inflated by NIL agents. A friend at Indiana's response to Ballo getting (impermissibly, I may add) $1.2 million was "sure. That's double what the entire is actually getting." Coaches are out there exaggerating what players they are losing out on are getting as well.
That said, Jaden Rashada was supposed to get $13 million from Florida (but they couldn't raise it from their collectives).
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Well, the word was Dickinson was getting $750k but it turned out to be $353k. These numbers are unreliable and usually inflated by NIL agents. A friend at Indiana's response to Ballo getting (impermissibly, I may add) $1.2 million was "sure. That's double what the entire is actually getting." Coaches are out there exaggerating what players they are losing out on are getting as well.
That said, Jaden Rashada was supposed to get $13 million from Florida (but they couldn't raise it from their collectives).
Guess that’s why IU stinks lately.
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I have no problem with retention
But there is nothing wrong with improving your teams!
There is if it hurts your recruiting and retention...or if your NIL is locked up on your current players.
There's a reason Shaka isn't doing it...impossible for us to know why on any given situation...but I think Shaka would improve the team if he could. If I correctly recall, you also didn't want Shaka as our coach...give him a little credit...he's earned it.
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Hobson’s choice improving or retention
Hurley seems to have mastered it
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There is if it hurts your recruiting and retention...or if your NIL is locked up on your current players.
There's a reason Shaka isn't doing it...impossible for us to know why on any given situation...but I think Shaka would improve the team if he could. If I correctly recall, you also didn't want Shaka as our coach...give him a little credit...he's earned it.
You’re wrong on that, Shaka was the right choice and I never said he was a bad choice. I am a believer that every coach gets a chance to see what they can do. But in the era of portal times, if a player can improve your team go get him. If he is overpriced I do not want him, AJ Storr no thank you. Somebody who can fit what Shaka is doing I say yes. He in my mind made a mistake last year not signing another forward. If Jones does not play this year, why not another point. Kam is better off the ball.
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You’re wrong on that, Shaka was the right choice and I never said he was a bad choice. I am a believer that every coach gets a chance to see what they can do. But in the era of portal times, if a player can improve your team go get him. If he is overpriced I do not want him, AJ Storr no thank you. Somebody who can fit what Shaka is doing I say yes. He in my mind made a mistake last year not signing another forward. If Jones does not play this year, why not another point. Kam is better off the ball.
The number of players that "improve" marquette is vastly lowerer than you think it might be
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The number of players that "improve" marquette is vastly lowerer than you think it might be
Yep. Too many act like it’s fantasy sports.
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You’re wrong on that, Shaka was the right choice and I never said he was a bad choice. I am a believer that every coach gets a chance to see what they can do. But in the era of portal times, if a player can improve your team go get him. If he is overpriced I do not want him, AJ Storr no thank you. Somebody who can fit what Shaka is doing I say yes. He in my mind made a mistake last year not signing another forward. If Jones does not play this year, why not another point. Kam is better off the ball.
What makes you believe that Shaka wasn't willing to "go get" players who could improve his team ... but passed when the players were "overpriced" and/or didn't "fit what Shaka is doing"?
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Guess that’s why IU stinks lately.
no, that's because Woodson sucks as a coach.
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
How is this harmful?
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
Baylor has had that fund for over a decade.
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
Roach said that number was incorrect.
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My source now saying Kalkbrenner expected to stay at Creighton. Came through with the NIL $$$.
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Traore to Xavier.
Big pickup. Averaged a double double last year.
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
All of your Scott Drew info has been wrong. Anything you post about him or Baylor is certainly wrong.
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Pop Isaacs will replace Trey alexander at creighton.
I am guessing both Mahaney and Brea end up at UConn
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Traore to Xavier.
Big pickup. Averaged a double double last year.
Makes the Big East a total gauntlet.
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just an fyi, I believe Baylor basketball has an NIL fund of about $8 million
roach got $1.5
anyone wonder where all of this is going? right down the chitter
ok reeeko, pop your nut and come and get me and get your Scott drew vitriol out of your system if it makes you feel better
Is that figure with or without all the tax avoidance, under-the-table dealings sanctioned by Drew?
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Gus Yalden to SH. Guess we will see him still.
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Gus Yalden to SH. Guess we will see him still.
…his family resides in Appleton. I wonder if MU had any interest?
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…his family resides in Appleton. I wonder if MU had any interest?
Well they did offer him a few years ago but certainly not now……..his defense is……..well..’.
not good…..
But if you are disappointed……don’t fret…..he will likely be available again soon…….
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…his family resides in Appleton. I wonder if MU had any interest?
Why?
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Why?
why not?
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Why would MU have interest?
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I am perfectly happy not having the Gus Bus represent my school.
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why not?
You must not be familiar with his path to date.
I doubt he makes it to second semester with Shaheen.
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You must not be familiar with his path to date.
I doubt he makes it to second semester with Shaheen.
I know the path, have familiarity with the family. Thx.
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Tell me why
(Ain't nothing but a Gard-ache)
Tell me why
(Ain't nothing but a mistake)
Never gonna hear you say
Gus plays the Marquette way
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Tell me why
(Ain't nothing but a Gard-ache)
Tell me why
(Ain't nothing but a mistake)
Never gonna hear you say
Gus plays the Marquette way
“ That’s gold Jerry! Gold!”
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I know the path, have familiarity with the family. Thx.
Then I'm really stunned as to why you would think MU would be at all interested.
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Badgers just landed the #165 transfer recruit.
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Will certainly raise the profile of the program.
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Badgers just landed the #165 transfer recruit.
Also sat out last year after a preseason broken foot.
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Also sat out last year after a preseason broken foot.
Also shoots like sh1t
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Also shoots like sh1t
Yep, good raw scoring numbers, but not efficient.
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Then I'm really stunned as to why you would think MU would be at all interested.
stunned? Seems extreme
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Why are you attacking his opinion?
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Yalden seems about as opposite a Shaka player as possible.
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John Tonje a Senior from Colorado St. will change his commitment from New Mexico to UW-Madison shortly.
Averaged almost 15 ppg 2 seasons ago in 33 starts.
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So, Bucky WILL be able to field a team. Phew.
The bags of cash are dropping now.
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John Tonje a Senior from Colorado St. will change his commitment from New Mexico to UW-Madison shortly.
Averaged almost 15 ppg 2 seasons ago in 33 starts.
Should this concern anyone?
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Should this concern anyone?
Badger fans maybe. They'll be able to do just enough to make the tournament and keep Gard in town.
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Why are you attacking his opinion?
attack? R u serious? Seems extreme. Question. Do you know this player personally? Any insight? Or just speculation and assumptions?
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Asian carp easy. I think your BIL does what he does just for the entertainment.
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Is that figure with or without all the tax avoidance, under-the-table dealings sanctioned by Drew?
Texas is 0 state income tax state
what the hell would need to be under the table now except for the amounts
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attack? R u serious? Seems extreme. Question. Do you know this player personally? Any insight? Or just speculation and assumptions?
He went to something like three high schools, got in trouble almost immediately after stepping foot on campus, never played, and at the end wasn’t even traveling with the team.
If judged solely by his actions, he has more red flags than a Chinese parade.
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He went to something like three high schools, got in trouble almost immediately after stepping foot on campus, never played, and at the end wasn’t even traveling with the team.
If judged solely by his actions, he has more red flags than a Chinese parade.
this we all know.
Rather, What do you know about him now, his family, the changes to his life that he’s made over this past year? Anything? Instead, you resort to sarcasm.
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this we all know.
Rather, What do you know about him now, his family, the changes to his life that he’s made over this past year? Anything? Instead, you resort to sarcasm.
So that’s the standard you expect around here? That we can’t neutrally comment on the facts surrounding a player? We have to have an up to date, intimate knowledge of him as a person?
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I dont know anything about Yalden off the court, other than what has been reported.
But on the court, Yalden is a 6'7 center who cant move. I'm looking forward to Shaka spamming pick n rolls when SH has Yalden on the court, our guards getting a free lane to the rim while Yalden tries to move his feet to stay in front on switches. Same action I was looking to forward to of he stayed in Madison.
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So that’s the standard you expect around here? That we can’t neutrally comment on the facts surrounding a player? We have to have an up to date, intimate knowledge of him as a person?
you, Tower and Rico set the standard. The 3 musketeers of the reactionary. You 3 offer nothing, consistently, nothing. You each simply react to others. In this case you didn’t answer the question I asked…what do you know about the young guy beyond what you’ve read or been told? You deflected. You avoided. You tried to spin. How about this…don’t comment at all. Resist the urge. Or, if you must, comment with a positive. How about…’I hope he’s on the right path. Seton Hall might have a good player.’ Would that be too difficult? Or is that outside your overriding urge to react?
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Texas is 0 state income tax state
what the hell would need to be under the table now except for the amounts
they still have to pay federal income tax. Ask Chris Webber about that...
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they still have to pay federal income tax. Ask Chris Webber about that...
absolutely but that's not a Scott drew thing just to be clear for the anti Scott drew folk
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you, Tower and Rico set the standard. The 3 musketeers of the reactionary. You 3 offer nothing, consistently, nothing. You each simply react to others. In this case you didn’t answer the question I asked…what do you know about the young guy beyond what you’ve read or been told? You deflected. You avoided. You tried to spin. How about this…don’t comment at all. Resist the urge. Or, if you must, comment with a positive. How about…’I hope he’s on the right path. Seton Hall might have a good player.’ Would that be too difficult? Or is that outside your overriding urge to react?
You were the one who asked if MU had any interest. The rest was addressing why they clearly never did.
Kinda strange that you would ask a question then get bent out of shape when people answer it.
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I don't think he is what MU is looking for. You have said nothing to even try to prove your point, just defaulted to victimhood. Ergo, I accept hey, hi, I'm the problem it's me.
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There is not a chance we ever reached out to Yalden when he entered the portal. He provides nothing that Shaka looks for from his bigs.
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Dai Dai Ames to the portal. Don't think Shaka gets involved in this one, even though recruited Ames at one point.
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1784681703421673563?t=PJiorBl8lVbzNC8XIrKcCg&s=19
(https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1784681703421673563?t=PJiorBl8lVbzNC8XIrKcCg&s=19)
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but someone just texted me
Saw AJ Hogaard from MSU in the portal has MU listed as one of his four choices for transfer.
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You were the one who asked if MU had any interest. The rest was addressing why they clearly never did.
Kinda strange that you would ask a question then get bent out of shape when people answer it.
…I rest my case. You can’t resist. And come back with the standard reply. I’ll give you this…you are consistent.
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…I rest my case. You can’t resist. And come back with the standard reply. I’ll give you this…you are consistent.
Yeah. It’s a message board. That’s literally what it’s designed to do.
But keep making it about me instead of the actual topic being discussed.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but someone just texted me
Saw AJ Hogaard from MSU in the portal has MU listed as one of his four choices for transfer.
Wojo recruited AJ quite hard and MU was among his several finalists.
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This one I could see if a bag drop was not required.
Gives time for Sean to heal and Tre to keep developing. He does love his mid range jump shots, though.
Still not feeling it. Bag drop will be too big.
I will go with Wisconsin.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but someone just texted me
Saw AJ Hogaard from MSU in the portal has MU listed as one of his four choices for transfer.
Like 4 years ago or now? There has been nothing posted about him since entering a few days ago.
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Yeah, I just googled AJ Hoggard Marquette and got not a single link suggesting MU was on his list.
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The rodents new commit yesterday Camren Hunter does not move the needle, according to Torvik: https://twitter.com/Taylor_Crabb/status/1784733350508294529
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The rodents new commit yesterday Camren Hunter does not move the needle, according to Torvik: https://twitter.com/Taylor_Crabb/status/1784733350508294529
They'll get him John Tonje, and one other i think
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The rodents new commit yesterday Camren Hunter does not move the needle, according to Torvik: https://twitter.com/Taylor_Crabb/status/1784733350508294529
Looks like they're also getting John Tonje from Missouri and Xavier Amos from Northern Illinois.
Decent pickups, especially if Tonje is recovered from the injury that cost him most of last season.
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Looks like they're also getting John Tonje from Missouri and Xavier Amos from Northern Illinois.
Decent pickups, especially if Tonje is recovered from the injury that cost him most of last season.
Interesting - I see the crystal balls for them but nothing firm as far as a commitment goes. Apparently Tonje already committed to New Mexico last week and then de-committed.
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Interesting - I see the crystal balls for them but nothing firm as far as a commitment goes. Apparently Tonje already committed to New Mexico last week and then de-committed.
He committed and signed a grant in aid, then backed out to join Wisconsin. Pretty obvious tampering, but I'm sure for Bucky fans it's okay when they do it.
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He committed and signed a grant in aid, then backed out to join Wisconsin. Pretty obvious tampering, but I'm sure for Bucky fans it's okay when they do it.
Thanks Brew! Oh boy - the self righteous fans of rodent twitter have been unbearable lately, then Gard goes and does this. ;D
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I must confess, thinking back on how Bucky fans would disparage MU for taking JUCOs, this makes me chuckle.
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Tonje was an under the radar recruit coming out of high school in Omaha.
Looks like he may potentially have two years of eligibility as he only played 8 games due to injury this past season
Solid pickup for Badgers if they close on the deal
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Tonje was an under the radar recruit coming out of high school in Omaha.
Looks like he may potentially have two years of eligibility as he only played 8 games due to injury this past season
Solid pickup for Badgers if they close on the deal
This kid must suck
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He committed and signed a grant in aid, then backed out to join Wisconsin. Pretty obvious tampering, but I'm sure for Bucky fans it's okay when they do it.
For Wisconsin, they can be a little bit mad that AJ Storr had an agent that started floating his name "in the portal" in February. That's fair.
However losing Chucky, with Wahl graduating, is what will actually really hurt them next year. Wisconsin never kept him happy which is why he entered the portal last year too. And if Ashworth didn't fall into creightons lap, he would probably be their right now.
Storr was overrated as a college player. If Essegian wasn't on that team it would have been blatantly obvious that Storr plays very little defense.
Klesmit, Crowl, and Blackwell are still three good players, and I would assume Tonje can start ahead of McGee and Gilmore but the rest of their additions are question marks at best.
Aside from Blackwell, who was very good, their freshmen were underwehlming. Winter was probably the best of the bunch, but he is still significantly worse than Norman was for Marquette. Winter was just above an average NCAA player.
I would say they are around the 40th-45th best team.
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Soooooo. Back to Marquette...
There is no way AJ Hoggard and Marquette are a match right? That Top 4 business isn't true I assume?
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Soooooo. Back to Marquette...
There is no way AJ Hoggard and Marquette are a match right? That Top 4 business isn't true I assume?
1. Definitely, No. Hoggard is a top two player in the portal at his point, and multiple schools with deep pockets have 6-8+ roster spots to fill. This staff "looked" at 1-2 scoring first combo guards. Both were probably 6th men at best. They took Maxi seriously, the other guard less seriously (a grad transfer). I don’t think they are looking at the defense first point guard, who will probably command near 1 million dollars.
2. How about we wait until there is a visit from any transfer recruit? We aren't overly recruiting any transfer at the moment. We hardly recruit transfers. That is how the program is run. That is why other programs get brought up more frequently in this thread. This staff want to get a strong 2025 class, they arn't focused on transfers like everyone else.
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Soooooo. Back to Marquette...
There is no way AJ Hoggard and Marquette are a match right? That Top 4 business isn't true I assume?
Considering you pulled it out of thin air, id say no
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Soooooo. Back to Marquette...
There is no way AJ Hoggard and Marquette are a match right? That Top 4 business isn't true I assume?
Not a chance MU and AJ are a match - that was a Wojo recruit and Hoggard does not fit the culture imho.
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Considering you pulled it out of thin air, id say no
It was MarquetteMike1977 who pulled out out of thin air.
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Considering you pulled it out of thin air, id say no
I didn't pull it. Someone posted it in this thread.
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I didn't pull it. Someone posted it in this thread.
My bad saying it was you
But comment remains that it was pulled out of nowhere
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My bad saying it was you
But comment remains that it was pulled out of nowhere
That's why I was asking.
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Uconn gonna be good again - they landed Mahaney- https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1784996992134914152
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Mahaney to UConn.
RELOADING. Wow!
Not surprising but their rosters just keep getting better every year. Crazy.
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Not surprising but their rosters just keep getting better every year. Crazy.
We will see what the roster looks like after portal season. As it currently is, they have a worse roster next season than they did this season.
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We will see what the roster looks like after portal season. As it currently is, they have a worse roster next season than they did this season.
So they will just beat teams by single digits on the way to a three-peat?
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We will see what the roster looks like after portal season. As it currently is, they have a worse roster next season than they did this season.
I trust Dung’s assessment
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We will see what the roster looks like after portal season. As it currently is, they have a worse roster next season than they did this season.
Honestly, just looking at rosters. UConn's really isn't close to last years roster. Right now I would say they have around the 17th best roster. I think they'll land Brea, which will bring them just beneath the top ten. But i don't know if that is 100% better than Creightons roster if Kalkbrenner is back.
Karaban is probably their best player. And they'll have a bunch of good guards between Diarra, Brea, Mahaney, and Nowell. And i think Liam McNeely can be a good 3/4 for them. But their front court seems getable. Samson Johnson is just a rim runner for me. UConn's staff will need to do witchcraft to make Tarris Reed a valuable player offensively.
One for one with MU. Johnson vs Gold is a wash. And UConn might have just a touch more depth on paper. But that is just because they are slightly more well known. Marquettes frontcourt depth is an unknown. Uconn's is an unknown plus Reed who played very poorly last year.
If Xavier's frontcourt is somewhat healthy, or if Kalkbrenner is back at CU. Both of those teams beat their frontcourt.
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Illinois PG Niccolo Moretti enters the portal. NBA Global Academy alum - assuming he knows Bennie.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1785016790843842595
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My bad saying it was you
But comment remains that it was pulled out of nowhere
It was also speculated on "Sleepers" with one of the guys usually on Field of 68. They speculated Marquette to replace Kolek just because it made sense as a fit. That said, the other host was an MSU guy and was really down on Hoggard as a player. Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8GTnDUF9U8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8GTnDUF9U8)
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Honestly, just looking at rosters. UConn's really isn't close to last years roster. Right now I would say they have around the 17th best roster. I think they'll land Brea, which will bring them just beneath the top ten. But i don't know if that is 100% better than Creightons roster if Kalkbrenner is back.
Karaban is probably their best player. And they'll have a bunch of good guards between Diarra, Brea, Mahaney, and Nowell. And i think Liam McNeely can be a good 3/4 for them. But their front court seems getable. Samson Johnson is just a rim runner for me. UConn's staff will need to do witchcraft to make Tarris Reed a valuable player offensively.
One for one with MU. Johnson vs Gold is a wash. And UConn might have just a touch more depth on paper. But that is just because they are slightly more well known. Marquettes frontcourt depth is an unknown. Uconn's is an unknown plus Reed who played very poorly last year.
If Xavier's frontcourt is somewhat healthy, or if Kalkbrenner is back at CU. Both of those teams beat their frontcourt.
Norlander says no Brea https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/1785080969508090022?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Apparently even UConn has only so much cash to go around.
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Aidoo to Arkansas. And here I thought it was a #donedeal to MU. 👀
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It was also speculated on "Sleepers" with one of the guys usually on Field of 68. They speculated Marquette to replace Kolek just because it made sense as a fit. That said, the other host was an MSU guy and was really down on Hoggard as a player. Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8GTnDUF9U8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8GTnDUF9U8)
Umm that was just them tossing out teams they personally think could be a fit for HOggard.
Waddell and especially Carter have zero intel. That vid has nothing to do with the claim we are one of his four suitors.
And this board has mentioned many times that those two are massive big10 homers with very bad takes outside of it.
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Umm that was just them tossing out teams they personally think could be a fit for HOggard.
Waddell and especially Carter have zero intel. That vid has nothing to do with the claim we are one of his four suitors.
And this board has mentioned many times that those two are massive big10 homers with very bad takes outside of it.
Don't shoot the messenger. You said it was pulled outta nowhere. That was somewhere.
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Don't shoot the messenger. You said it was pulled outta nowhere. That was somewhere.
You cant possibly be this stupid.
"Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but someone just texted me
Saw AJ Hogaard from MSU in the portal has MU listed as one of his four choices for transfer."
That was marquette mikes quote
It was not pulled from a video of sleepers giving their opinions of potential teams. Got it yet?
Holy hell
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Wisconsin signs 6’8” transfer from Northern Illinois, forward Xavier Amos. Not a bad player. They had a need w/Wahl out of eligibility. (Scored 8 vs us last year in our +20 pt win)
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Wisconsin signs 6’8” transfer from Northern Illinois, forward Xavier Amos. Not a bad player. They had a need w/Wahl out of eligibility. (Scored 8 vs us last year in our +20 pt win)
Should I be concerned Viper?
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Uconn gonna be good again - they landed Mahaney- https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1784996992134914152
Oh my!!! UCONN reloading. Of course we are narrowing that gap.
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Should I be concerned Viper?
Yes
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Oh my!!! UCONN reloading. Of course we are narrowing that gap.
What do you know about Mahaney?
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Going to make Spencer look like a piker. May replace Spencer AND Clingan.
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Going to make Spencer look like a piker. May replace Spencer AND Clingan.
Tyler Kolek type player, would have been a perfect replacement, but why improve the team
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Shaka says stay out of the portal.
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Should I be concerned Viper?
6’8” shooter. 49% from the field is darn good…38% from 3. I’d rather he had not signed with RED, but we are the better team and get em on our court. Gard knows ball but we are due.
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Tyler Kolek type player, would have been a perfect replacement, but why improve the team
How’s he a Tyler Kolek-type player?
Marciulionis is more a Kolek player than Mahoney.
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How’s he a Tyler Kolek-type player?
Marciulionis is more a Kolek player than Mahoney.
Duh, he’s white.
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Shaka says stay out of the portal.
And I would say, why not, stubbornness is obviously Shaka, it’s a new era, you lost your 2 best players, other then Kam is there somebody who can breakdown the defense, or a physical presence underneath, you have been brainwashed or you like being mediocre watching Jop jack up shots or for that matter Stevie, how you going to score down low? Hope I am wrong we will see.
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Duh, he’s white.
I suppose Marquette could turn him into a PG, a better defender and better rebounder. He is only a sophomore
And yes, he’s white, so naturally he’s the next Kolek
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And I would say, why not, stubbornness is obviously Shaka, it’s a new era, you lost your 2 best players, other then Kam is there somebody who can breakdown the defense, or a physical presence underneath, you have been brainwashed or you like being mediocre watching Jop jack up shots or for that matter Stevie, how you going to score down low? Hope I am wrong we will see.
Yes. The coach who took over a program with no NCAA Tournament wins in a decade to a top 10 team for the better part of the past 2 years likes being mediocre. He doesn’t know how to build a winning program.
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Tyler Kolek type player, would have been a perfect replacement, but why improve the team
Tyler Kolek was worth 7.79 points per 100 possessions over an average college basketball player. He was the best player on the 13th best team. Kolek was the creative hub of Marquette and played point guard.
Aidan Mahaney is worth 4.18 points per 100 possessions over an average college basketball player. He was the 4th best player on the 24th best team. Mahaney was more of a reciever than a creator. And he played the 2/3 positions.
4.18 points per 100 possessions is worse than EVERY single starter on marquette last year.
But boy... is he white like kolek
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And I would say, why not, stubbornness is obviously Shaka, it’s a new era, you lost your 2 best players, other then Kam is there somebody who can breakdown the defense, or a physical presence underneath, you have been brainwashed or you like being mediocre watching Jop jack up shots or for that matter Stevie, how you going to score down low? Hope I am wrong we will see.
Chase
not really Shaka's MO here, but possibly Hamilton[/i]
when have we been mediocre under Shaka?
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You cant possibly be this stupid.
"Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but someone just texted me
Saw AJ Hogaard from MSU in the portal has MU listed as one of his four choices for transfer."
That was marquette mikes quote
It was not pulled from a video of sleepers giving their opinions of potential teams. Got it yet?
Holy hell
You're a child. Try and talk civilly next time.
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I believe the way too early pollsters who looked at MU and said top 15. I enjoyed MU going 56-17 the last two seasons. I like the retain and develop model. I think there is a lot of potential on the 24-25 team.
I get that you are not optimistic, BC. Perhaps you are right. Let it all out.
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Oh my!!! UCONN reloading. Of course we are narrowing that gap.
Vertiginous contemplations, Dung Willie
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Yes. The coach who took over a program with no NCAA Tournament wins in a decade to a top 10 team for the better part of the past 2 years likes being mediocre. He doesn’t know how to build a winning program.
He only gets the easy top 10 rankings
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And I would say, why not, stubbornness is obviously Shaka, it’s a new era, you lost your 2 best players, other then Kam is there somebody who can breakdown the defense, or a physical presence underneath, you have been brainwashed or you like being mediocre watching Jop jack up shots or for that matter Stevie, how you going to score down low? Hope I am wrong we will see.
Kicked the tires on Aidoo, didn’t happen. It has to be a player that is a major improvement for the roster and fits the culture for Shaka.
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Should I be concerned Viper?
Whether you should or not doesn’t matter…..you will be.
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You cant possibly be this stupid.
That’s an unnecessary attack on a good Scooper. You owe Jake an apology.
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That’s an unnecessary attack on a good Scooper. You owe Jake an apology.
No I dont. He was a smart ass and blatantly wrong and jumped into the conversation(wrongly) for no reason then doubled down.
Also, if we are gonna be dramatic. Lets be semantic as well. It wasnt even an attack it was a vote of confidence that he cannot be that stupid.
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I believe the way too early pollsters who looked at MU and said top 15. I enjoyed MU going 56-17 the last two seasons. I like the retain and develop model. I think there is a lot of potential on the 24-25 team.
I get that you are not optimistic, BC. Perhaps you are right. Let it all out.
Time will tell
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Tyler Kolek was worth 7.79 points per 100 possessions over an average college basketball player. He was the best player on the 13th best team. Kolek was the creative hub of Marquette and played point guard.
Aidan Mahaney is worth 4.18 points per 100 possessions over an average college basketball player. He was the 4th best player on the 24th best team. Mahaney was more of a reciever than a creator. And he played the 2/3 positions.
4.18 points per 100 possessions is worse than EVERY single starter on marquette last year.
But boy... is he white like kolek
What was Tyler as a sophomore?
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No I dont. He was a smart ass and blatantly wrong and jumped into the conversation(wrongly) for no reason then doubled down.
Also, if we are gonna be dramatic. Lets be semantic as well. It wasnt even an attack it was a vote of confidence that he cannot be that stupid.
If we are talking about drama, youre weirdly playing a victim here which is out of character. You and I generally seem to be aligned.
It's a message board. Everything is opinion or wild speculation. I didn't see the "text" part. Just took a quick break from an absolute bear of a work day and had heard the Sleeper episode. Nothing I said was being a smart ass nor doubling down--you were the closest thread to quote about Hoggard, thats it. Youve somehow decided that was a slight or something and decided to act like an ass rather than a human.
I genuinely hope things are OK for you. Because that's some absolutely bizarre backlash.
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What was Tyler as a sophomore?
Wouldn’t that be more to the point that maybe Shaka can, indeed, develop great players?
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Wouldn’t that be more to the point that maybe Shaka can, indeed, develop great players?
I was told by willie that we were doomed. So, counterpoint?
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What was Tyler as a sophomore?
He was cleary a point guard.
When Aiden is a top ten player in the country as a senior let me know.
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Wouldn’t that be more to the point that maybe Shaka can, indeed, develop great players?
No one can question players improve as they get older, Frank Kaminsky and Butch Lee both became National player of the year, Oso amazing. Can Tre and Zaide make a difference next year, we will see. Are the 3 freshman good enough to play, lots of question marks.
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You're a child. Try and talk civilly next time.
Hey at least hes just name calling.
He tried to tell me that I was the one who pulled the Hoggard thing out of thin air when it was someone else.
Come to think of it...Wades also tried telling me that I was the one who fabricated the Avila to MU thing and that was someone else too.
Be happy it's just name calling and not false accusations.
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Hey at least hes just name calling.
He tried to tell me that I was the one who pulled the Hoggard thing out of thin air when it was someone else.
Come to think of it...Wades also tried telling me that I was the one who fabricated the Avila to MU thing and that was someone else too.
Be happy it's just name calling and not false accusations.
I mean, I'm pretty sure both cases they made a mistake and genuinely thought you were the one who posted. False accusation typically involves intent
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No one can question players improve as they get older, Frank Kaminsky and Butch Lee both became National player of the year, Oso amazing. Can Tre and Zaide make a difference next year, we will see. Are the 3 freshman good enough to play, lots of question marks.
Have you watched Marquette since Shaka got hired? Have you not seen the players improve?
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One of the main constants from my time at Scoop is that BCHoopster complains about everything.
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Disagree. He is pessimistic about the 24-25 team/season.
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Disagree. He is pessimistic about the 24-25 team/season.
I am not pessimistic about next years team, they will be good but to win championships you have to strive for greatness, not sure about that
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I am not pessimistic about next years team, they will be good but to win championships you have to strive for greatness, not sure about that
Went back and read some of your old posts. A year ago, you praised Shaka for not wanting to drop a bag on a portal transfer. What changed? Your earliest posts were about Buzz being two deep at every position (celebrating Erik Williams, later tearing down OMax and Oso) and not wanting more than 11 scholarships, as 12 and 13 never play anyway. What changed?
I did enjoy the random Gus Yalden drop and then the response to it.
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Went back and read some of your old posts. A year ago, you praised Shaka for not wanting to drop a bag on a portal transfer. What changed? Your earliest posts were about Buzz being two deep at every position (celebrating Erik Williams, later tearing down OMax and Oso) and not wanting more than 11 scholarships, as 12 and 13 never play anyway. What changed?
I did enjoy the random Gus Yalden drop and then the response se to it.
I am not sold that they have enough talent on this team. Your right, 13th player is not needed. Concerned about the point guard position if Jones can not play, so you are really down to 11
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How many teams even go 11 deep? Our starting 5 are all upperclassmen that have spent their entire careers at MU in Shaka's system. Are there question marks about our bench/role players, sure, but who in the country doesn't?
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I am not pessimistic about next years team, they will be good but to win championships you have to strive for greatness, not sure about that
I am not sold that they have enough talent on this team. Your right, 13th player is not needed. Concerned about the point guard position if Jones can not play, so you are really down to 11
So from your perspective Shaka should deviate from his preferred approach, which has clearly worked very well so far, to chase portal players at the expense of our own guys?
It's the identity of his program and what he is going to preach to recruits (commit, stay and develop), which he is going to have proof of concept with guys like Omax and Tyler playing in the NBA (yes, those 2 guys were transfers but were brought in Shaka's 1st year when he essentially had to build a new team).
Sure, there are going to be years where the ceiling doesn't look as high as it did last season but that's not a reason for Shaka to deviate from his approach at the expense of the future. And even if as fans we don't think the ceiling looks as high, believe it or not, we don't know better than the staff. And that certainly doesn't mean the staff the and players don't have championship aspirations.
As for Kam, in the 6 games Tyler was out where he was thrust into a lead guard role with essentially no preparation:
20.8 PPG
4.5 APG
4.7 RPG
2.2 TOPG
50.5 FG%
45.7% 3PT%
If Shaka decides that Kam is going to play PG with a full offseason to prepare, I've got no issue with it. It may be best for his long-term future after Marquette as well. And hopefully Tre develops to give Shaka flexibility with the position.
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How many teams even go 11 deep? Our starting 5 are all upperclassmen that have spent their entire careers at MU in Shaka's system. Are there question marks about our bench/role players, sure, but who in the country doesn't?
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Our 13 scholarships are used in the following ways:
Starting 5, all upperclassmen that have only ever played for Shaka and are committed to his system.
2 Sophomores that played significant minutes last year.
1 Sophomore that played only garbage time last year.
3 Freshman that are in a position where if they are ready they will contribute, but if they aren't they won't be thrown to the wolves.
1 long term injury-possible red-shirt candidate.
1 open flex, should a perfect target become available via the portal in the next 24 hours/mid season reclassifying high school target (i.e. Hamilton last year)/if they are targeting a larger Freshman class next year. Options.
That is about as textbook as it comes if your strategy is get old and stay old. This is what Shaka has done at his time at MU, this is what he's going to continue to attempt to do. No amount of online complaining is going to change it.
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Our 13 scholarships are used in the following ways:
Starting 5, all upperclassmen that have only ever played for Shaka and are committed to his system.
2 Sophomores that played significant minutes last year.
1 Sophomore that played only garbage time last year.
3 Freshman that are in a position where if they are ready they will contribute, but if they aren't they won't be thrown to the wolves.
1 long term injury-possible red-shirt candidate.
1 open flex, should a perfect target become available via the portal in the next 24 hours/mid season reclassifying high school target (i.e. Hamilton last year)/if they are targeting a larger Freshman class next year. Options.
That is about as textbook as it comes if your strategy is get old and stay old. This is what Shaka has done at his time at MU, this is what he's going to continue to attempt to do. No amount of online complaining is going to change it.
I agree with this analysis.
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Crap, now I know I'm wrong. Even worse, I'm talking to ghosts. Someone get me Lazar's number.
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No one can question players improve as they get older, Frank Kaminsky and Butch Lee both became National player of the year, Oso amazing. Can Tre and Zaide make a difference next year, we will see. Are the 3 freshman good enough to play, lots of question marks.
Yep, as is the case with every single program in the country, there are question marks. As was the case at Marquette before each of Shaka's seasons, there are question marks.
But despite significant evidence about the ability of Shaka and his assistants to develop players, you seem to have already decided that the answer to every question is "no." You also are certain that you know more about building Shaka's program than Shaka does.
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This is an interesting stat about covid year players and xfer portal. It will be much harder going forward to get as many quality players in the portal. This plays into Shaka's retention plans.
https://twitter.com/CBB_Central/status/1785300440613023748
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There is no doubt the portal will be much tougher next year because less kids will be in the portal. Teams that have used it exclusively will have more difficult task next season. There is a lot of 23+ guys running around the portal this year picking up their bags.
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Really, the only questions for the 24-25 team are which of the young forwards develop and how fast. Well, and whether Sean contributes.
Starting line up is known (perhaps Tre over Chase, but I doubt it).
6th and 7th man are known. So far MU is miles ahead of most other schools.
8-9-10 are the questions.
I think preseason top 15 is fair. If 2 of the young forwards pan out, MU could be better than last season.
3 freshmen, 3 sophomores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors. 6 guards, 6 forwards. Keep developing.
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If Shaka decides that Kam is going to play PG with a full offseason to prepare, I've got no issue with it. It may be best for his long-term future after Marquette as well. And hopefully Tre develops to give Shaka flexibility with the position.
But despite significant evidence about the ability of Shaka and his assistants to develop players, you seem to have already decided that the answer to every question is "no." You also are certain that you know more about building Shaka's program than Shaka does.
The bolded plus Shaka's being consistently very open about the system he prefers-recruit from HS and develop-makes the endless discussions regarding bringing in a transfer this off-season academic.
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Our 13 scholarships are used in the following ways:
Starting 5, all upperclassmen that have only ever played for Shaka and are committed to his system.
2 Sophomores that played significant minutes last year.
1 Sophomore that played only garbage time last year.
3 Freshman that are in a position where if they are ready they will contribute, but if they aren't they won't be thrown to the wolves.
1 long term injury-possible red-shirt candidate.
1 open flex, should a perfect target become available via the portal in the next 24 hours/mid season reclassifying high school target (i.e. Hamilton last year)/if they are targeting a larger Freshman class next year. Options.
That is about as textbook as it comes if your strategy is get old and stay old. This is what Shaka has done at his time at MU, this is what he's going to continue to attempt to do. No amount of online complaining is going to change it.
Oh absolutely. Well put.
The only quibble is holding something for a mid-year transfer. With instant eligibility, hardly anyone transfers mid year any longer.
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Oh absolutely. Well put.
The only quibble is holding something for a mid-year transfer. With instant eligibility, hardly anyone transfers mid year any longer.
Mid-season transfer? My three scenarios were transfer in the next, now 14 hours, mid year reclassifying high school target which we had literally last summer, or bank and have a larger Freshman class next year.
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Right right. I just meant that a mid year transfer is pretty unlikely but yeah your points are good.
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Yep, as is the case with every single program in the country, there are question marks. As was the case at Marquette before each of Shaka's seasons, there are question marks.
But despite significant evidence about the ability of Shaka and his assistants to develop players, you seem to have already decided that the answer to every question is "no." You also are certain that you know more about building Shaka's program than Shaka does.
Wrong, all 5 freshman and sophomores have potential, I am good with that. But
I like having an experienced point on campus. Should Shaka have added another forward with Omax leaving, I think we all can say yes.
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Really, the only questions for the 24-25 team are which of the young forwards develop and how fast. Well, and whether Sean contributes.
Starting line up is known (perhaps Tre over Chase, but I doubt it).
6th and 7th man are known. So far MU is miles ahead of most other schools.
8-9-10 are the questions.
I think preseason top 15 is fair. If 2 of the young forwards pan out, MU could be better than last season.
3 freshmen, 3 sophomores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors. 6 guards, 6 forwards. Keep developing.
Agree with most of this. However ...
In Kolek and Oso, we had two of college basketball's best players at their positions in the same lineup, and Kam too. As big an optimist as I am, I don't see that happening next season, and therefore I'll go in thinking that Marquette won't be "better" in 2024-25 than we were in 2023-24.
But that doesn't mean the team won't accomplish as much or more during the course of the season or in March.
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Wrong, all 5 freshman and sophomores have potential, I am good with that. But
I like having an experienced point on campus. Should Shaka have added another forward with Omax leaving, I think we all can say yes.
Then we could all watch Jop suit up for someone else last/next year.
When you can't offer a starting spot, and can't offer a bag drop, the transfer pool is pretty limited. You would have to get creative like offering the NAIA player of the year, or targeting some lesser known player from Germany.
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Agree with most of this. However ...
In Kolek and Oso, we had two of college basketball's best players at their positions in the same lineup, and Kam too. As big an optimist as I am, I don't see that happening next season, and therefore I'll go in thinking that Marquette won't be "better" in 2024-25 than we were in 2023-24.
But that doesn't mean the team won't accomplish as much or more during the course of the season or in March.
25+ wins and a return to the sweet 16 are certainly on the table.
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MWC Frosh of the Year and 2nd Teamer, JT Toppin (New Mexico), has entered the portal. Avg 12.4 ppg and 9.1 rpg.
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I am not pessimistic about next years team, they will be good but to win championships you have to strive for greatness, not sure about that
I believe Shaka & staff strive to be great. I don’t believe next season’s team has the talent to be great, but I do believe they’ll be very good. A top 3 or 4 BE finish and solid 3-5 seeding in the NCAA. Another S16 is definitely doable. I’d have loved a transfer-in such as the fwd Wisconsin just added. But regardless, next season we’ll have a good team, for sure.
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Wrong, all 5 freshman and sophomores have potential, I am good with that. But
I like having an experienced point on campus. Should Shaka have added another forward with Omax leaving, I think we all can say yes.
Not me.
And we have a PG already.
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Does anyone know if the Bryce Hopkins to portal rumors have any validity?
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Does anyone know if the Bryce Hopkins to portal rumors have any validity?
No clue... but both him and Carter wanted to leave when Kim got there, but they were scared of the 2 time transfer rule last summer.
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I believe Shaka & staff strive to be great. I don’t believe next season’s team has the talent to be great, but I do believe they’ll be very good. A top 3 or 4 BE finish and solid 3-5 seeding in the NCAA. Another S16 is definitely doable. I’d have loved a transfer-in such as the fwd Wisconsin just added. But regardless, next season we’ll have a good team, for sure.
The forward Wisconsin just added was ranked 2,000+ in Bayesian Performance Rating according to evanmiya.com.
For comparison, Zaide Lowery was in the 1,800s. No thanks, I'm good.
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The forward Wisconsin just added was ranked 2,000+ in Bayesian Performance Rating according to evanmiya.com.
For comparison, Zaide Lowery was in the 1,800s. No thanks, I'm good.
Yeah, that guy is a bench piece, at best. If he’s getting significant minutes, they have a problem
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Coleman Hawkins to the portal.
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Hard pass on that one
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Coleman Hawkins to the portal.
If we can only get the "good Coleman Hawkins" games, I'd take him. When he's on his game and locked in, he's awesome, but he has some serious yikes games every year.
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The forward Wisconsin just added was ranked 2,000+ in Bayesian Performance Rating according to evanmiya.com.
For comparison, Zaide Lowery was in the 1,800s. No thanks, I'm good.
Amos statline against us in November:
28 minutes, 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers, 1 foul, 4/5 2P, 0/3 3P
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The forward Wisconsin just added was ranked 2,000+ in Bayesian Performance Rating according to evanmiya.com.
For comparison, Zaide Lowery was in the 1,800s. No thanks, I'm good.
I have no clue what you are referring to, nor do I care. But, let’s talk next March. The guy can play. He’s a good get. Hopefully doesn’t have a good game vs MU. How’d Zaide do?
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Amos statline against us in November:
28 minutes, 8 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers, 1 foul, 4/5 2P, 0/3 3P
2023/24…25 GP, 49.6% FG / 38.5% from 3. 13.8 pts per/5.8 rebs. Not bad #’s. 2 yrs of eligibility remain. Would you rather have this guy or a 6’8” 3-star ish freshman?
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2023/24…25 GP, 49.6% FG / 38.5% from 3. 13.8 pts per/5.8 rebs. Not bad #’s. 2 yrs of eligibility remain. Would you rather have this guy or a 6’8” 3-star ish freshman?
Because those are all the same.
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Because those are all the same.
I don’t follow. Are you arguing a point? Not arguing but making a point?
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I don’t follow. Are you arguing a point? Not arguing but making a point?
Probably mostly a comment that "3*ish" is a huge range. Depending on the ranking service it can be anywhere from borderline top 150 to borderline top 500. You give a range that broad you're going to have a wide range of results.
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Probably mostly a comment that "3*ish" is a huge range. Depending on the ranking service it can be anywhere from borderline top 150 to borderline top 500. You give a range that broad you're going to have a wide range of results.
got it. Thx.
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2023/24…25 GP, 49.6% FG / 38.5% from 3. 13.8 pts per/5.8 rebs. Not bad #’s. 2 yrs of eligibility remain. Would you rather have this guy or a 6’8” 3-star ish freshman?
I’d rather have Owens and Parham and continue what Shaka and his staff has been doing with their players than bring in a guy from a terrible league and a terrible team that you wouldn’t know squat about if he hadn’t signed with Wisconsin
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I have no clue what you are referring to, nor do I care. But, let’s talk next March. The guy can play. He’s a good get. Hopefully doesn’t have a good game vs MU. How’d Zaide do?
Bayesian Performance Rating (BPR) is a catch-all advanced stat. The player with the best BPR would be ranked #1. Last year, that was Zach Edey. #2 was Donavan Clingan, Tyler Kolek was #11.
Being ranked below 2,000 is very, very bad. There's a reason why Northern Illinois was #308 in Kenpom. Amos has good looking basic stats because he was one of the best players on an awful team. He's better than an empty chair, but Gard's really scraping the bottom off the barrel. And their transfer G from Central Arkansas is pretty much the same: sub-2,000 BPR ranking on a sub-300 team.
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Bayesian Performance Rating (BPR) is a catch-all advanced stat. The player with the best BPR would be ranked #1. Last year, that was Zach Edey. #2 was Donavan Clingan, Tyler Kolek was #11.
Being ranked below 2,000 is very, very bad. There's a reason why Northern Illinois was #308 in Kenpom. Amos has good looking basic stats because he was one of the best players on an awful team. He's better than an empty chair, but Gard's really scraping the bottom off the barrel. And their transfer G from Central Arkansas is pretty much the same: sub-2,000 BPR ranking on a sub-300 team.
Also need to look at strength of schedule-Central Arkansas played a horrible schedule-298, and Northern Illinois was 168.
But Gard will coachem up
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I have no clue what you are referring to, nor do I care. But, let’s talk next March. The guy can play. He’s a good get. Hopefully doesn’t have a good game vs MU. How’d Zaide do?
They don't even play the same position and I'd still take Zaide.
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Also need to look at strength of schedule-Central Arkansas played a horrible schedule-298, and Northern Illinois was 168.
But Gard will coachem up
Gard just gets it done.
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25+ wins and a return to the sweet 16 are certainly on the table.
Absolutely. I said that even if we're not technically considered "better," we could accomplish as much or more.
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Really, the only questions for the 24-25 team are which of the young forwards develop and how fast. Well, and whether Sean contributes.
Starting line up is known (perhaps Tre over Chase, but I doubt it).
6th and 7th man are known. So far MU is miles ahead of most other schools.
8-9-10 are the questions.
I think preseason top 15 is fair. If 2 of the young forwards pan out, MU could be better than last season.
3 freshmen, 3 sophomores, 3 juniors, 3 seniors. 6 guards, 6 forwards. Keep developing.
I agree with this analysis.
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The forward Wisconsin just added was ranked 2,000+ in Bayesian Performance Rating according to evanmiya.com.
For comparison, Zaide Lowery was in the 1,800s. No thanks, I'm good.
Viper loves him some Wisconsin. He is the only one on here who covets a Badger transfer this year.
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MWC Frosh of the Year and 2nd Teamer, JT Toppin (New Mexico), has entered the portal. Avg 12.4 ppg and 9.1 rpg.
Yeah, he would do
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Kim is a little frustrated with the portal right now.
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Kim is a little frustrated with the portal right now.
I don't think so. I think that was him crowing about other teams not being able to pry Hopkins away.
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Karma 4 Kim. Don’t shoot free throws after your butty fakes an injury
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Bayesian Performance Rating (BPR) is a catch-all advanced stat. The player with the best BPR would be ranked #1. Last year, that was Zach Edey. #2 was Donavan Clingan, Tyler Kolek was #11.
Being ranked below 2,000 is very, very bad. There's a reason why Northern Illinois was #308 in Kenpom. Amos has good looking basic stats because he was one of the best players on an awful team. He's better than an empty chair, but Gard's really scraping the bottom off the barrel. And their transfer G from Central Arkansas is pretty much the same: sub-2,000 BPR ranking on a sub-300 team.
I think you're reversing the impact the team quality has on a player's rank.
For example, before he transferred to MU, Tyler Kolek was ranked 1772 at George Mason.
Moved to a better team, better conference, better SOS, etc, actually posted worse individual stats but still climbed to a rank of 537 his soph year.
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Kim is a little frustrated with the portal right now.
https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/pc-coach-kim-english-blasts-tampering-head-coaches
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Kim is a little frustrated with the portal right now.
Kim is full of crap. Whining that other coaches tried to tamper to get Bryce Hopkins when he literally had Wesley Cardet on campus for a visit the day he entered the portal and Cardet committed the day after he left.
If he's mad about anything, it's other coaches stealing his move. He's just as guilty of tampering as anyone.
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I’d rather have Owens and Parham and continue what Shaka and his staff has been doing with their players than bring in a guy from a terrible league and a terrible team that you wouldn’t know squat about if he hadn’t signed with Wisconsin
actually, you need to stay in your lane with assumptions of what I do or do not know. My nephew at Northern Illinois knows the kid quite well. I’ve seen him play a few times. Thanks, however, for more of your mindless bullshiiit. You are good at it.
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Viper loves him some Wisconsin. He is the only one on here who covets a Badger transfer this year.
keep your enemies close. Nothing more.
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actually, you need to stay in your lane with assumptions of what I do or do not know. My nephew at Northern Illinois knows the kid quite well. I’ve seen him play a few times. Thanks, however, for more of your mindless bullshiiit. You are good at it.
Well if your nephew is FRIENDS with the guy!!
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keep your enemies close. Nothing more.
Different than be overly obsessed with your enemies.
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Viper loves him some Wisconsin. He is the only one on here who covets a Badger transfer this year.
With Viper and other Gard lovers on scoop, who needs the Platteville Posse?
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keep your enemies close. Nothing more.
This is strange, but I’m not a life long Sconnie so I guess I wouldn’t get it.
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https://www.golocalprov.com/sports/pc-coach-kim-english-blasts-tampering-head-coaches
He is absolutely right.
But also.....You live by the sword......You die by the sword.....
Don't kid yourself.....Scumbags are after our players also.....
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actually, you need to stay in your lane with assumptions of what I do or do not know. My nephew at Northern Illinois knows the kid quite well. I’ve seen him play a few times. Thanks, however, for more of your mindless bullshiiit. You are good at it.
lol.
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actually, you need to stay in your lane with assumptions of what I do or do not know. My nephew at Northern Illinois knows the kid quite well. I’ve seen him play a few times. Thanks, however, for more of your mindless bullshiiit. You are good at it.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/AhmqbQcclyEAAAAC/ron-burgundy-escalated-quickly.gif)
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actually, you need to stay in your lane with assumptions of what I do or do not know. My nephew at Northern Illinois knows the kid quite well. I’ve seen him play a few times. Thanks, however, for more of your mindless bullshiiit. You are good at it.
Then you should have been advocating for him when he entered the portal.
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He is absolutely right.
But also.....You live by the sword......You die by the sword.....
Don't kid yourself.....Scumbags are after our players also.....
Yes, they are. So let us all celebrate the roster stability that MU has managed to achieve.
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Well if your nephew is FRIENDS with the guy!!
onepost, thx for chiming in. Maybe keep it to one post, agreed?
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Then you should have been advocating for him when he entered the portal.
thx for letting me know what I should have done.
Imo, a nice pick-up for them, as I mentioned to Muggsy. But ok if not w/MU. Either way, fine.
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I think you're reversing the impact the team quality has on a player's rank.
For example, before he transferred to MU, Tyler Kolek was ranked 1772 at George Mason.
Moved to a better team, better conference, better SOS, etc, actually posted worse individual stats but still climbed to a rank of 537 his soph year.
We can control for level of competition by comparing players against just their conference peers.
Among players with over 500 possessions, Amos was #62 in BPR in the MAC.
Two years ago, Camren Hunter was #64 in the A-Sun. He missed last year with injury.
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So is entry into the portal officially closed?
Last year people seemed to jump in super late, is that not allowed this season?
How many un-committed portalers are still out there?
Not that it matters for Marquette, but it seems like quite the mess.
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Tonight at midnight.
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So is entry into the portal officially closed?
Last year people seemed to jump in super late, is that not allowed this season?
How many un-committed portalers are still out there?
Not that it matters for Marquette, but it seems like quite the mess.
No. You can enter the portal whenever you wish.
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No. You can enter the portal whenever you wish.
But students who enter after the deadline date cannot transfer and be immediately eligible correct?
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But students who enter after the deadline date cannot transfer and be immediately eligible correct?
Yes. JayBee just being Jaybee
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/DIUG_Windows.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/DIUG_Windows.pdf)
New transfer legislation passed last week by the NCAA has added a sense of urgency to the looming close of the men's and women's transfer windows, as all transfers -- even graduate transfers -- now need to be in the portal by the close of their sports' windows.
Previously, graduate transfers didn't need to adhere to transfer window dates and could enter the portal at any time. For example, Cam Spencer left Rutgers in June and committed to UConn, ultimately helping lead the Huskies to their second straight national championship.
Last week's transfer legislation, however, included the elimination of the graduate transfer exception. and that has caught players and coaches by surprise.
"Student-athletes who plan to enroll as graduate students at their next school can enter the portal at any time during the academic year but must enter the portal prior to the conclusion of their respective sports' final transfer windows," the NCAA wrote in a news release.
The new rule, approved by the Division I board of directors on Monday, applies to all sports and is effective immediately, the NCAA confirmed to ESPN.
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But students who enter after the deadline date cannot transfer and be immediately eligible correct?
Correct, though we'll see how much stomach the NCAA has for enforcing it
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But students who enter after the deadline date cannot transfer and be immediately eligible correct?
False. The deadline and “window” is simply a notification window. They must tell their current school by that date (eg today). This notification allows an @“ez pass” to immediate eligibility.
Now, if a coach leaves, a program closes shop, etc - then kids can get an ez pass as well.
The big question is — will we see a number of kids who didn’t notify come to the ncaa via a new school in the future and cry for a waiver? I’m certain we’ll see some - how will the ncaa react? They’ve already folded a lot, so we’ll see.
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They’ve already folded a lot, so we’ll see.
Because the NCAA is realizing they have no legal standing to opperate in anyway that they have in the past.
NCAA will continue to "fold" because if they don't there will no longer be an NCAA.
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False. The deadline and “window” is simply a notification window. They must tell their current school by that date (eg today). This notification allows an @“ez pass” to immediate eligibility.
Now, if a coach leaves, a program closes shop, etc - then kids can get an ez pass as well.
The big question is — will we see a number of kids who didn’t notify come to the ncaa via a new school in the future and cry for a waiver? I’m certain we’ll see some - how will the ncaa react? They’ve already folded a lot, so we’ll see.
They are still not "immediately eligible", they have to request a waiver.
On a side note, I wonder if a college fires a coach mid season, if those SA's could request a waiver to play immediately.
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Because the NCAA is realizing they have no legal standing to opperate in anyway that they have in the past.
NCAA will continue to "fold" because if they don't there will no longer be an NCAA.
I was surprised they stood firm on their rulings for Dingle and Ledlum
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I was surprised they stood firm on their rulings for Dingle and Ledlum
The NCAA rule is a player is allowed 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. What happened is the NCAA declared that 2020-21 did not count toward a year of eligibility. They never actually granted 5 years as some media outlets erroneously state. Yes some players did play 5 years because their league played in 2020-21 but the Ivy League didnt.
So in Dingle and Ledlum case , they started in 2019-20 , did not play in 2020-21 because Ivy League had no season, and then competed in 21-22, 22-23, and 23-24.
So from NCAA standpoint Dingle and Ledlum got their 5 to play 4 . Another way of looking at this, is if Dingle and Ledlum where freshman in 2020-21 they would still have another year of eligibility this season.
It will be interesting to see if they win the Anti Trust element of their case, could that open the door to unlimited years of eligibility?
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They are still not "immediately eligible", they have to request a waiver.
On a side note, I wonder if a college fires a coach mid season, if those SA's could request a waiver to play immediately.
Ez pass. They are stated exceptions. #EZpass
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The NCAA rule is a player is allowed 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. What happened is the NCAA declared that 2020-21 did not count toward a year of eligibility. They never actually granted 5 years as some media outlets erroneously state. Yes some players did play 5 years because their league played in 2020-21 but the Ivy League didnt.
So in Dingle and Ledlum case , they started in 2019-20 , did not play in 2020-21 because Ivy League had no season, and then competed in 21-22, 22-23, and 23-24.
So from NCAA standpoint Dingle and Ledlum got their 5 to play 4 . Another way of looking at this, is if Dingle and Ledlum where freshman in 2020-21 they would still have another year of eligibility this season.
It will be interesting to see if they win the Anti Trust element of their case, could that open the door to unlimited years of eligibility?
But anyone who redshirted in 20-21 is seemingly eligible for the covid season?
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It will be interesting to see if they win the Anti Trust element of their case, could that open the door to unlimited years of eligibility?
Now THAT would be the end of college sports as we know it.
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Does anyone have any idea how many power conference programs have had no players enter the portal and, as of today, have not added anyone from the portal?
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Does anyone have any idea how many power conference programs have had no players enter the portal and, as of today, have not added anyone from the portal?
I don't know today, but here was the list in April.
There are seven D1 teams that don't have any players in the transfer portal as of April 24:
Kansas
Marquette
Colgate
Army
Navy
Binghamton
South Alabama
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Kansas has Storrs. Therefore, MU is the only high major to neither lose a player to the portal nor sign a player in the portal.
Yay, MU!
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Kansas has Storrs. Therefore, MU is the only high major to neither lose a player to the portal nor sign a player in the portal.
Yay, MU!
Kansas has landed 4 transfers. Besides Storr, they are Zeke Mayo, Riley Kugel, and Rylan Griffen.
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Thanks. Still leaves MU all alone in the high major, no transfers out, no transfers in category.
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Thanks. Still leaves MU all alone in the high major, no transfers out, no transfers in category.
We're number 1! We're number 1!
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Indeed.
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Arthur Kaluma back in the portal again.
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Time to make it a drinking game, a la Markus only being 17. Every time the announcers mention that MU is the only high major to completely sit out the transfer portal during the offseason, drink.
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Time to make it a drinking game, a la Markus only being 17. Every time the announcers mention that MU is the only high major to completely sit out the transfer portal during the offseason, drink.
Don’t jinx us. Lots of time b/w now and November.
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Don’t jinx us. Lots of time b/w now and November.
I don't see us dropping majors, dropping our program, or Shaka getting fired, so we're good.
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JB, you are right. A lot of golf left to play.
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I don't see us dropping majors, dropping our program, or Shaka getting fired, so we're good.
You’re missing certain scenarios; some of which are not far fetched in the slightest my g
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Walk on Jack Anderson finally made it official, transferring to Marquette. D3 player.
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Time to make it a drinking game, a la Markus only being 17. Every time the announcers mention that MU is the only high major to completely sit out the transfer portal during the offseason, drink.
…you drinking now? 🥃
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Diet Pepsi for me.
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Walk on Jack Anderson finally made it official, transferring to Marquette. D3 player.
There it is
We now have a portal guy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yNZza5_Q14
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Would rather have kept the continuity than risk any letter writing.
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The NCAA rule is a player is allowed 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility. What happened is the NCAA declared that 2020-21 did not count toward a year of eligibility. They never actually granted 5 years as some media outlets erroneously state. Yes some players did play 5 years because their league played in 2020-21 but the Ivy League didnt.
So in Dingle and Ledlum case , they started in 2019-20 , did not play in 2020-21 because Ivy League had no season, and then competed in 21-22, 22-23, and 23-24.
So from NCAA standpoint Dingle and Ledlum got their 5 to play 4 . Another way of looking at this, is if Dingle and Ledlum where freshman in 2020-21 they would still have another year of eligibility this season.
It will be interesting to see if they win the Anti Trust element of their case, could that open the door to unlimited years of eligibility?
I'm aware of the rules. I'm just suprised they didn't cave
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But anyone who redshirted in 20-21 is seemingly eligible for the covid season?
Lets do a hypothetical scenario. Freshman comes in during 20-21 at a non Ivy League school and they do not play that season, for all practical purposes they are still a freshman because 20-21 does not count as a season for eligibility purposes
That player would still have 5 years to complete 4. So they could play 21-22, 22-23, 23-24 and 24-25. They would not get a fifth year beyond that .
So what people are calling a covid year in that theoretical case (24-25)is nothing more than what the NCAA rules already allow.
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Arthur Kaluma back in the portal again.
Returning to Creighton?
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Do the walk ons feel recruited over?
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Do the walk ons feel recruited over?
No. They feel walked over.
Returning to Creighton?
My guess that at least one scooper will post that Marquette should go after him to replace one of our projected starters.
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No. They feel walked over.
My guess that at least one scooper will post that Marquette should go after him to replace one of our projected starters.
Well done.
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CBS Sports has MU as one of the winners in the portal derby. Great to see.
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CBS Sports has MU as one of the winners in the portal derby. Great to see.
Yeah. Wonder how they arrived at that.
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Yeah. Wonder how they arrived at that.
Obviously because we retained everyone. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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CBS Sports has MU as one of the winners in the portal derby. Great to see.
Accurate too, no one did better in the portal than Marquette. Retaining everyone is phenomenal and the class balance is incredible. I'm not sure how long this will last, but based on 3 years of results Shaka is truly building a special culture here that is unmatched in the sport.
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Kansas has Storrs. Therefore, MU is the only high major to neither lose a player to the portal nor sign a player in the portal.
Yay, MU!
Something like this is a good thing...if you win. If you don't, it becomes something that quickly becomes a negative. If MU is right back near the top of the Big East, competing to be a 1 or 2 seed again, then it is a source of pride. If they fall back to the middle of the Big East pack and are a bubble team, then it becomes a, "Why didn't we upgrade our roster in the portal?" situation.
It's like having a quirky coach. When you win, the quirks are amusing and part of why you win. When you lose, the quirks are annoying and the reason you're losing.
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After Marquette wins 6 games in the 2025 NCAA tournament to take the national title, joyless willie will say:
"Lots of team have one 6. I cant believe they didnt won 7. Their a pile of dung."
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Something like this is a good thing...if you win. If you don't, it becomes something that quickly becomes a negative. If MU is right back near the top of the Big East, competing to be a 1 or 2 seed again, then it is a source of pride. If they fall back to the middle of the Big East pack and are a bubble team, then it becomes a, "Why didn't we upgrade our roster in the portal?" situation.
It's like having a quirky coach. When you win, the quirks are amusing and part of why you win. When you lose, the quirks are annoying and the reason you're losing.
The second line of my signature, with "your" substituted for "our", tells you my reaction to this post. How do you explain all the teams in not just the Big East but other major conferences that have used the portal heavily and still are "middle of the pack"? Your premise fails to explain that and does not allow for any measure other than "near the top" or "a 1 or 2 seed again'. What's next? Anything short of a natty or at least a FF = failure due to Shaka's system? ::)
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The second line of my signature, with "your" substituted for "our", tells you my reaction to this post. How do you explain all the teams in not just the Big East but other major conferences that have used the portal heavily and still are "middle of the pack"? Your premise fails to explain that and does not allow for any measure other than "near the top" or "a 1 or 2 seed again'. What's next? Anything short of a natty or at least a FF = failure due to Shaka's system? ::)
Never said that using the portal is a virtue, and not using the portal is a shortcoming. Just taking issue with the implication that not using the portal, or having no transfers in or out this season, is something to crow about. Shaka's job is the same as every other coach: Put together the best roster you can. If the best roster he can put together is by keeping all of his players and not bringing in transfers, then that's good. If you have a chance to add talent to the roster via the portal and you choose not to, you better be correct about what you have.
Virtue signaling on Shaka not using the portal is pointless. The proof will be in the pudding, one way or the other.
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Something like this is a good thing...if you win. If you don't, it becomes something that quickly becomes a negative. If MU is right back near the top of the Big East, competing to be a 1 or 2 seed again, then it is a source of pride. If they fall back to the middle of the Big East pack and are a bubble team, then it becomes a, "Why didn't we upgrade our roster in the portal?" situation.
It's like having a quirky coach. When you win, the quirks are amusing and part of why you win. When you lose, the quirks are annoying and the reason you're losing.
If Marquette does end up as a bubble team this season or in the future (it is going to happen at some point), it would be shortsighted to complain about not using the portal. A bubble team one season that retains all of it's rotation players could be much more the following season.
Too much myopic thinking when it comes to this.
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Never said that using the portal is a virtue, and not using the portal is a shortcoming. Just taking issue with the implication that not using the portal, or having no transfers in or out this season, is something to crow about. Shaka's job is the same as every other coach: Put together the best roster you can. If the best roster he can put together is by keeping all of his players and not bringing in transfers, then that's good. If you have a chance to add talent to the roster via the portal and you choose not to, you better be correct about what you have.
Every coach needs to be correct with the decisions they make. The fact that Shaka prefers this approach, and there were no transfers out, means he was successful by the terms he established. And my guess is 95% of D1 coaches wish they could say the same.
Virtue signaling on Shaka not using the portal is pointless....
::) ::) ::)
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If Marquette does end up as a bubble team this season or in the future (it is going to happen at some point), it would be shortsighted to complain about not using the portal. A bubble team one season that retains all of it's rotation players could be much more the following season.
Too much myopic thinking when it comes to this.
What triggered me was Nutty's judging the success or failure of Shaka's system by different standards than those used for all the other P6 teams who finished anywhere from last to first in their conferences. That was the reason I referred to a slight variation of one of my signatures.
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Something like this is a good thing...if you win. If you don't, it becomes something that quickly becomes a negative. If MU is right back near the top of the Big East, competing to be a 1 or 2 seed again, then it is a source of pride. If they fall back to the middle of the Big East pack and are a bubble team, then it becomes a, "Why didn't we upgrade our roster in the portal?" situation.
It's like having a quirky coach. When you win, the quirks are amusing and part of why you win. When you lose, the quirks are annoying and the reason you're losing.
Any choice is the right choice....if you win. And posters were saying that after 27 wins and a sweet 16.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yNZza5_Q14
I enjoyed the highlight being 20 seconds of iso ball then a pull up contested mid range miss
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UW going for jucos now: https://badgernotes.com/wisconsin-basketball-hunt-juco-center-noah-boyed-transfer-portal/
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The Wisconsin way.
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Never said that using the portal is a virtue, and not using the portal is a shortcoming. Just taking issue with the implication that not using the portal, or having no transfers in or out this season, is something to crow about. Shaka's job is the same as every other coach: Put together the best roster you can. If the best roster he can put together is by keeping all of his players and not bringing in transfers, then that's good. If you have a chance to add talent to the roster via the portal and you choose not to, you better be correct about what you have.
Virtue signaling on Shaka not using the portal is pointless. The proof will be in the pudding, one way or the other.
1). If you don't see the value in Shaka's approach, you don't know ball. Of course no one approach guarantees a high quality roster, no need to state the obvious.
2). Using the phrase "virtue signaling" is the ultimate virtue signal.
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I understand the Nutty argument. I am neutral on the portal. It is the system that currently exists. When MU has a number of players enter the portal, I expect they will be be replaced by players from the portal.
Until that time, I will enjoy watching the retention and development philosophy.
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https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1786424988662149603?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Max Shulga to Nova. One of the better shooters in the portal, Neptune still has a ways to go.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/vcu-transfer-max-shulga-gives-villanova-playmaking-and-shooting-as-its-roster-continues-to-take-shape/ar-AA1o6b5I
Nova still has a bunch of roster spots open, contingent upon what Dixon and Armstrong decide. Lucky them.
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I understand the Nutty argument. I am neutral on the portal. It is the system that currently exists. When MU has a number of players enter the portal, I expect they will be be replaced by players from the portal.
Until that time, I will enjoy watching the retention and development philosophy.
Time will tell. As restrictions on movement are eliminated, and bags become available, it will become apparent whether you can be more successful with continuity than yearly reloading via portal free agency. If continuity proves successful, different types of coaches will be more likely to be elevated. Coaches that are actually liked by players and good for their development become more employable and a-holes less. Before, the a-holes could hide behind restrictions on player movement.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/vcu-transfer-max-shulga-gives-villanova-playmaking-and-shooting-as-its-roster-continues-to-take-shape/ar-AA1o6b5I
Nova still has a bunch of roster spots open, contingent upon what Dixon and Armstrong decide. Lucky them.
I’m surprised Armstrong is still out there. I think he’s really good.
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https://twitter.com/NFcomtr/status/1786735446057275610?t=4tYgnFcXhlSNAFwvRAP6xw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/NFcomtr/status/1786735446057275610?t=4tYgnFcXhlSNAFwvRAP6xw&s=19
One of these things is not like the others.
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One of these things is not like the others.
As a friend said in our group chat, "We're the safety school."
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As a friend said in our group chat, "We're the safety school."
Well, if he reads scoop, he’ll be convinced of the educational opportunities provided by Marquette for sure
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As a friend said in our group chat, "We're the safety school."
Madison and Notre Dame were my safety schools.
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Leon Bond to Northern Iowa.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/winners-and-losers-from-college-basketballs-2024-transfer-portal-cycle-kansas-indiana-land-stars/?ftag=SNL-04-10aaa0b&ET_CID=353815&ET_RID=21528234
MU mention among the winners and losers.
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Madison and Notre Dame were my safety schools.
ok, ok… I have to come clean. I did apply to UW. Back-up, for sure. Hilariously, I was accepted w/Red in about 10-days. MU? Not so fast, my friend! I think it was like 3 months before I was no doubt begrudgingly accepted! Some dude in the registrar’s office probably said…’look, he’s an idiot. Clearly he’ll be on academic probation…if he doesn’t flunk out altogether. But he’s Dental School connected. Let him in!’ 😂
37 yrs later I can confidently say…Better Dead, than Red
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/winners-and-losers-from-college-basketballs-2024-transfer-portal-cycle-kansas-indiana-land-stars/?ftag=SNL-04-10aaa0b&ET_CID=353815&ET_RID=21528234
I agree with their assessment
MU mention among the winners and losers.
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I understand the Nutty argument. I am neutral on the portal. It is the system that currently exists. When MU has a number of players enter the portal, I expect they will be be replaced by players from the portal.
Until that time, I will enjoy watching the retention and development philosophy.
I believe that what Shaka is telling his recruits about continuity and development…….that those players aren’t running to the transfer portal. Shaka’s approach is to avoid “a number of players entering the portal.
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https://twitter.com/NFcomtr/status/1786735446057275610?t=4tYgnFcXhlSNAFwvRAP6xw&s=19
Might be just me, but Duke has been way more active in the portal than I’d have expected after landing the top recruiting class.
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Might be just me, but Duke has been way more active in the portal than I’d have expected after landing the top recruiting class.
They have like 9 players at the moment.
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They have like 9 players at the moment.
Thanks. I know they lost two to the draft and a couple to the portal. I didn’t realize they were so short.
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10 rebound 17 ppg notchad omier to baylor from miami
6'7" 240 LB forward
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40091653/all-acc-pick-norchad-omier-transferring-miami-baylor
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10 rebound 17 ppg notchad omier to baylor from miami
6'7" 240 LB forward
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40091653/all-acc-pick-norchad-omier-transferring-miami-baylor
Disappointing news to see a dirtbag like Scott Drew get a good player
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Disappointing news to see a dirtbag like Scott Drew get a good player
knowing you were going to post something stupid-so predictable-
first you have to admit to the problem...
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knowing you were going to post something stupid-so predictable-
first you have to admit to the problem...
Agree. Scott Drew should admit his sins and repent but he’s a raging hypocrite
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first you have to admit to the problem...
Agree. Scott Drew should admit his sins and repent but he’s a raging hypocrite
Rocket, you put that one on a tee.
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At least Baylor's bag dropping is no longer illegal.
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At least Baylor's bag dropping is no longer illegal.
Have to believe Drew has moved onto extortion as a tool in his bag. Wouldn’t put anything past him.
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One of these things is not like the others.
Cal is the only public school.
Also, MU is the only faith-based school (Duke maintains ties to the Methodist church but is considered "nonsectarian and independent") and the only one without football.
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Cal is the only public school.
Also, MU is the only faith-based school (Duke maintains ties to the Methodist church but is considered "nonsectarian and independent") and the only one without football.
If you can believe the translate function, the text of the post also mentions Georgia as a possible destination.
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German Jesus went to FAU: https://twitter.com/JjMetzFAU/status/1787540637488738611
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German Jesus went to FAU: https://twitter.com/JjMetzFAU/status/1787540637488738611
Green weenie, aina?
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German Jesus went to FAU: https://twitter.com/JjMetzFAU/status/1787540637488738611
Another example proving Willie right. Now we can't even keep up with FAU.
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Disappointing news to see a dirtbag like Scott Drew get a good player
Disappointing, but not surprising. Who knows the lengths Drew went to to secure this commitment.
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Disappointing, but not surprising. Who knows the lengths Drew went to to secure this commitment.
Probably offered to pray with him.
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Disappointing, but not surprising. Who knows the lengths Drew went to to secure this commitment.
I am sure it hasn't changed since I visited it 30ish years ago. A very talent rich environment!
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Rocket, you put that one on a tee.
purposely however...just more revealing of how imbecilic reeeko is
and not very Christian-like or whatever the hell he espouses to be today aside from trolling idiot
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purposely however...just more revealing of how imbecilic reeeko is
and not very Christian-like or whatever the hell he espouses to be today aside from trolling idiot
Yes, you back only the most Christian of Christians, folks who always do exactly what Jesus would have done.
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Yes, you back only the most Christian of Christians, folks who always do exactly what Jesus would have done.
And that’s just Scott Drew
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purposely however...just more revealing of how imbecilic reeeko is
and not very Christian-like or whatever the hell he espouses to be today aside from trolling idiot
Imbecillic and trolling idiot to describe Reeker, priceless!
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Imbecillic and trolling idiot to describe Reeker, priceless!
Truth and falsehood are but two sides of the same weightless, invisible coin, both sides of which are cunningly embossed with the word “ass”, Dung Willie
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Norlander and Parish at beginning of their pod had interesting comments on number of scholarship players desired by some coaches as a result of portaling era. Many looking to carry 11, some even 10 real (as opposed to giving schollies to walk-ons) scholarship players. Not many want to carry 13.
Makes sense, since its hard to keep 12/13 happy and it's so easy for them to leave.
For Shaka, carrying 12, and sometimes red-shirting a freshman, can work. This coming year, carrying 12 (as of now) and with Sean re-habbing, works within the culture.
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One aspect of players not having to sit out, that I didn’t originally think of, is how many more teams let multiple players go (push out, cut) now that they can quickly replace them. One aspect that isn’t great for players, especially the marginal younger players who need time to develop.
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Which is the opposite of what MU/Shaka is doing.
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Imbecillic and trolling idiot to describe Reeker, priceless!
100%
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Keeping myself in great company!
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Richmond to the Johnnies.
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Which is the opposite of what MU/Shaka is doing.
And I like it. I hope it works out and I’m willing to take some down years with this approach if that ends up being the case. Worth it to run a program, develop players, and have kids come in and graduate with a degree. I’ll trade a few wins for that. I’m not staring I think it will cost us wins. But if it does or is perceived to, I’m okay with that trade off.
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And I like it. I hope it works out and I’m willing to take some down years with this approach if that ends up being the case. Worth it to run a program, develop players, and have kids come in and graduate with a degree. I’ll trade a few wins for that. I’m not staring I think it will cost us wins. But if it does or is perceived to, I’m okay with that trade off.
The bolded! This BS attitude that Shaka's system has to outperform the portal system really gets me. BOTH systems can, and probably will, result in some down seasons. I do not like the double standard.
Not saying that Shaka will never use the portal. He might well have if Kam said adios'.
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The bolded! This BS attitude that Shaka's system has to outperform the portal system really gets me. BOTH systems can, and probably will, result in some down seasons. I do not like the double standard.
Not saying that Shaka will never use the portal. He might well have if Kam said adios'.
Look at all those “up” seasons across the big East last year.
What… it was pretty much just UConn?
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Look at all those “up” seasons across the big East last year.
What… it was pretty much just UConn?
I guess you haven't been a MU fan very long.... or did you just awake from a Rip Van Winkle type sleep that overcame you around the summer of 1978. I hope you woke up to take a pee in 2003 and 2013.