College Basketball Commission issues their report. End one and done.

[WarriorDad]

Commission reports what the entire committee can vote and agree upon. Some are shaping this to be the Chairperson as the only person, but that is not how commissions work.  The chairperson ultimately is the singular head that answers the questions, but the report is the work of the body of the members of the committee.


This answer by the chairperson no doubt is endorsed by many of us and not endorsed by many here.  It is clear to me where those dividing lines are drawn.

From the interview post release:

Chairperson Rice:  First of all, let me call it the collegiate model, all right? That’s to distinguish it from the professional model. If you want to play professional sports, go play professional sports and get paid to do it. We wanted to open a pathway for the 18-year-old who’s good enough to be in the NBA to be able to do that. With the G League and maybe European ball, if you wish to be paid, go and play professional sports.

Now, this commission and the people on it are at a place in their careers and their lives that if they wanted to say pay the players, they would have said it. That’s not what we wanted to say. What we wanted to say is there is a value proposition at the heart of the collegiate model that is different from the professional model. That value proposition is, you get to play. You get to hone your sport. You get the best coaching. You get nutrition. You get all of those things and most importantly, you get a college degree, which by the way will give you earning potential a million dollars over a non-college graduate over your lifetime; will give you contacts and mentoring that will serve you well the rest of your life; and, oh by the way, you get it for free as opposed to the kid down the hall who’s taking down loans and working 20 hours a week to get what you can get.

But I just wanted to say one thing that is really important. The other half of the value proposition, though, is that that college degree really has to be a college degree, so no more fraudulent courses. No more fraudulent majors just to keep people eligible. It’s on universities to also make sure that collegiate model works.

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Well, if people are disappointed we didn’t decide to pay players, that’s fine. If people are disappointed that we wanted to end one-and-done, and I think we will; that we’re going to allow people to go to the draft and still be eligible for college; that we’re going to change the enforcement structure of the NCAA; that we’re going to make it possible for universities to be out of March Madness for five years and lose the revenue associated with that; that we’re going to make it possible for somebody who’s a show-cause coach to cost his university a ban on March Madness and the revenue associated with that. If you’re disappointed that we believe in the collegiate model, I can’t do anything about that. We do believe in the collegiate model, but we don’t think people are living up to the collegiate model. What we’ve done here is to call out university presidents, athletic directors, not just [at NCAA headquarters] in Indianapolis to re-establish it. I think it will make a difference for college basketball. That’s why we’re here.

[WarriorDad]

Well said.

Interesting that no current or recent players had any input. Or non-rich people either. As you said, they are simply protecting their own.

How recent do they have to be?  How good do they have to be? Would it be fair to have a middle of the road player, or only a star player?  If you say star player, how is that fair when 99% of these guys aren't going to play in the NBA? 

To a large degree they are protecting their own, which is the college model that provides tremendous value to kids of all walks of life to earn a degree along with all the perks that go with it. 

Non rich people?  How rich is Reverend John Jenkins of Notre Dame?  General Martin Dempsey (US Army-Retired) is near 70 years old with a net worth of $1.5M, most of that earned in the last 10 years because of his rank and as 4 star general has a pension of $219K per year.

[brewcity77]

I think there is a failure of understanding, which is why this panel needed agents, HS & AAU coaches, current or very recent players & coaches, & shoe company execs.

Paying players honestly isn't the issue. Yes, through scholarship, living expenses, facility & training access, and other benefits there is a financial benefit. It's about the ability to profit off their likeness. The NCAA and universities do exactly that. That ability to monetize one's self should be allowed.

[WarriorDad]

I think there is a failure of understanding, which is why this panel needed agents, HS & AAU coaches, current or very recent players & coaches, & shoe company execs.

Paying players honestly isn't the issue. Yes, through scholarship, living expenses, facility & training access, and other benefits there is a financial benefit. It's about the ability to profit off their likeness. The NCAA and universities do exactly that. That ability to monetize one's self should be allowed.

Shoe company execs?  Isn't that like inviting the tobacco industry? 

The NCAA is profiting (though really they don't because the funds are distributed to cover costs of scholarships at member schools) off of individuals or more around the competition itself?  It would explain why Ben Simmons was allowed into the NCAA tournament so we could watch him play. Nerlen Noels, Klay Thompson, Paul George, Chris Bosch, so many others.  It would explain why UCONN missed the tournament during their peak because of APR.  I could go on.

The source of the NCAA money is from the NCAA tournament contract.  People do not tune in to watch specific players. They tune in often not even knowing any of the players. 99.9% of Americans had no clue who the Loyola of Chicago players were when that tournament started.  Their likeness meant nothing.  Sister Jean?  Sister who?   They tune in to watch the competition, the upsets, the near upsets, the dominating teams.  The names on the front, not the names on the back.  You ask the same 99.9% of people today that knew nobody on Loyola Chicago and my hunch is 95% of them still can't name a single player.  In three months time, that will climb to 98%.  It is the schools that matter, with rare exceptions for the 1% that are off the charts gifted and will make plenty of money when they go pro.

[brewcity77]

Shoe company execs?  Isn't that like inviting the tobacco industry? 

No, don't be stupid. The universities take millions from the shoe companies, rely on their summer AAU events for scouting, and they are at the heart of the scandal. If you want to understand the first thing about what's going on, they have to be in the room.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

  The names on the front, not the names on the back.

DePaul seemed to have a lot more fan interest when the names on the back were Aguirre, Cummings, and Strickland.  Wisconsin basketball sure garnered more interest when the names on the back got better.

The names on the front are nothing without the collection of names on the back.

How some people can't see the symbiotic relationship between the names on the front and the names on the back astounds me.

[Nukem2]

DePaul seemed to have a lot more fan interest when the names on the back were Aguirre, Cummings, and Strickland.  Wisconsin basketball sure garnered more interest when the names on the back got better.

The names on the front are nothing without the collection of names on the back.

How some people can't see the symbiotic relationship between the names on the front and the names on the back astounds me.

Though, the names on the back have a say about whose names are on the front.... 

[GGGG]

DePaul seemed to have a lot more fan interest when the names on the back were Aguirre, Cummings, and Strickland.  Wisconsin basketball sure garnered more interest when the names on the back got better.

Wisconsin doesn't have names on the back of their jerseys because basketball is a TEAM sport...

...said some Badger fan on some message board somewhere.

[AZMarqfan]

Not completely accurate. The window to sign is very short, something around 4-6 weeks.

But the mlb draft is a different scenario with set $ amounts teams can use which directly affects where guys are drafted.

About a decade ago MLB allowed drafted players to return to college, enroll in JuCo, or return to JuCo for a year.  They could then sign with the team until the day before the next draft.  This was called the DFE (Draft, Follow, Evaluate) process.  The Brewers were strong users of this with Manny Parra, Lorenzo Cain, and others.  Current MLB rules allow high school grads, JuCo players, or college players that are finishing their junior seasons OR are 21 as of draft date to be drafted

[GGGG]

Well one of the Rice-lead commission's recommendations looks to be universally disliked by the coaches.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/07/12/college-basketball-coaches-universally-oppose-own-proposal-to-change-july-recruiting/

Surprise, surprise...