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Title: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: BM1090 on December 05, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
http://www.americasline.com/Stats/Matchup/Basketball/NCAAB/175742

Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2014, 04:43:37 PM
Generous.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Groin_pull on December 05, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
http://www.americasline.com/Stats/Matchup/Basketball/NCAAB/175742



Feels a little low. I'm thinking something like: Vadgers 72  MU 54
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 05, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
i wouldn't want to play this team after stinking it up on their own floor on national tv and then playing their intra-state rival for the axe
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: 77ncaachamps on December 05, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
Feels a little low. I'm thinking something like: Vadgers 72  MU 54

I, too, felt like it would be a 20 point game that gets whittled down to something respectable.

If Steve or Juan foul out and we're not hitting from the outside, it can get ugly.
I'm hoping we stay efficient, play most of the game with a large foul and TO disparity in our favor, and stress their team into not playing Badger brand of basketball.

Definitely a David vs Goliath type of matchup considering the statuses of the two teams this year.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
I really don't see how Kaminsky doesn't go for 40
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: 77ncaachamps on December 05, 2014, 05:07:10 PM
I really don't see how Kaminsky doesn't go for 40

It would be sad if he can't.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Atticus on December 05, 2014, 05:12:22 PM
I think it will be a lot like ohio state game. We will keep it close and then they will go on a run and then we will make it respectable in the last few minutes. Weren't we down by 19 with about 5 to go?
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: BM1090 on December 05, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
I really don't see how Kaminsky doesn't go for 40

Way more likely that he scores less than 20 than 40+. Come on now.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: NavinRJohnson on December 05, 2014, 05:55:50 PM
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Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 05, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
Maybe we can pull a Villanova vs Georgetown thing, hey?
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Class71 on December 05, 2014, 06:05:22 PM
Hey, clearly I have no inside information but didn't a coach from that little school from NC just beat Bucky? Yes, they shot lights out and have a lot more talent then us but I suspect the line from Wojo's to coach K has been white hot these past few days. Just maybe the Wojo/K brain trust will keep this respectable. At a minimum it will be a great learning experience for conference play and I suspect we will have one of the best in the business providing some tutoring.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: We R Final Four on December 05, 2014, 06:13:38 PM
Is Okafor playing for us on Sat.?
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 05, 2014, 06:15:52 PM
Maybe we can pull a Villanova vs Georgetown thing, hey?

Aina????
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: GooooMarquette on December 05, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
Much stranger things have happened.  Ask Ralph Sampson.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 05, 2014, 06:39:50 PM
Much stranger things have happened.  Ask Ralph Sampson.

yup!  maybe a little pep talk from jimmy v.  if anyone hasn't seen it, the 30 for 30 espn episode is an incredible story-make it a must watch pre-game
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
Way more likely that he scores less than 20 than 40+. Come on now.

No way. 40 is far more likely than under 20. We don't have anyone even close to able to cover him. He will score at will.

Have to hope everyone else sucks.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: NersEllenson on December 05, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
I believe Pomeroy has UW by 11. Vegas almost always uses Pomeroys projected score differential as it's spread.

I'm staying away from this game yet feel Badgers minus 10 is a good bet. But..rivalry games and home court are what give me pause.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2014, 07:45:15 PM
No way. 40 is far more likely than under 20. We don't have anyone even close to able to cover him. He will score at will.

Have to hope everyone else sucks.

Do you know how many people have dropped 40 points in a game this season? When I last checked (during Orlando) it was 2. Under 20 is way more likely than over 40. I think between 16-24 is a safe bet.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 05, 2014, 08:05:39 PM
Hey, clearly I have no inside information but didn't a coach from that little school from NC just beat Bucky? Yes, they shot lights out and have a lot more talent then us but I suspect the line from Wojo's to coach K has been white hot these past few days. Just maybe the Wojo/K brain trust will keep this respectable. At a minimum it will be a great learning experience for conference play and I suspect we will have one of the best in the business providing some tutoring.

  Nailed!
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 05, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Do you know how many people have dropped 40 points in a game this season? When I last checked (during Orlando) it was 2. Under 20 is way more likely than over 40. I think between 16-24 is a safe bet.

Nobody has had as big of an advantage as Kaminsky.

Honestly I think 25 is a lock and I am expecting in the 30s.

But if we keep the rest of the team in check and Jackson goes back to bad Jackson we can maybe keep it kinda close.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: 79Warrior on December 05, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
Is Okafor playing for us on Sat.?

I would take UW and lay the points. This game could get very ugly. Kaminsky will have a field day with  his size advantage.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: NavinRJohnson on December 05, 2014, 08:22:34 PM
Nobody has had as big of an advantage as Kaminsky.

Honestly I think 25 is a lock and I am expecting in the 30s.

But if we keep the rest of the team in check and Jackson goes back to bad Jackson we can maybe keep it kinda close.

Is the game remains close you may be right. If its not, he won't get much beyond 20 because he won't need to nor be on the floor. I see no reason to believe he gets anywhere near 40 points.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2014, 08:27:18 PM
The emotional edge is HUGE in our favor tomorrow, and I think it'd be a mistake to downplay that angle. I haven't read or heard anyone talking about it either.

The Badgers will be coming off a physically and emotionally draining game barely more than two days ago when they take the floor tomorrow morning.   One of their best players is clearly hurting.  They are the heavy favorite.  Beating MU does almost nothing for them other than avoiding what would be a somewhat embarrassing upset loss.

Meanwhile, we've had a full week to prepare only for Bucky.  Wojo and the coaches can hype relishing the underdog role and how no one is giving them a chance.  A raucous and involved student section on our side.  There'll be plenty of Badger fans no doubt, but if we can get out fast, they'll be quieted and drowned out by our fans.  

We lost by 11 to both Michigan St and Ohio St., one on a neutral site, the other on the road.  Those two probably aren't as good as Bucky, but they are clearly among the Big Ten's upper echelon this year, with great, and in Izzo's case, a HOF coach.  Now we get test ourselves on our home floor, in front our home crowd and students.  

This screams out trap game for UW.  I don't think we'll win, but I do believe it will be under 10 and interesting coming down the stretch tomorrow.  As Wojo says, rivalry games can push players to play beyond what their talent level might otherwise suggest and do great things.  I have optimism for tomorrow.  

Go Warriors!!!
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2014, 08:32:27 PM
Everyone is talking about UW's size advantage.  Yes, it's frightening. 

However, everyone has surely taken note of UW's struggles this year already against G'town and Duke's quick perimeter players?  I think Duane Wilson, Deonte, even Derrick, could give the Badgers fits with their attacking the basket and quickness off the bounce. 



Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
I would take UW and lay the points. This game could get very ugly. Kaminsky will have a field day with  his size advantage.

Our guards should attack the paint early and all day, and try and get Kaminsky in early foul trouble.  He's not a shot blocker at all.  Run some iso and pick and roll plays and make him guard all the way to the basket.  

Kaminsky on the bench in foul trouble would change the entire complexion of the game tomorrow.  Especially with Dekker clearly not 100%.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: brewcity77 on December 05, 2014, 09:18:06 PM
I believe Pomeroy has UW by 11. Vegas almost always uses Pomeroys projected score differential as it's spread.

According to Pomeroy, Vegas is more accurate than he is.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: DiehardMU on December 05, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
I agree that a win tomorrow is not likely.  But everyone thought UCONN would destroy MU in their first BE game.  Heck, even this season after the Omaha and NJIT games people were saying 0-3 in Orlando and 6-7 wins total.

Wojo will get some advice from Coach K and also knows a thing or two about rivalries.  He'll have the guys ready...

Foul trouble for 2 out of 3 of Kaminsky, Dekker and Hayes (who was non-existent against Duke due to fouls) would be huge.  So let Duane, Burton, and JJJ attack these guys.  Heck, let Derrick barrel into them.  They'll get a few flops but some fouls too.  Maybe Carlino will be hot again.

An unlikely win, but I'm not writing it off yet and hope that it is at least a fun game with lots of grimace, growls, and crying from Bo, Frank, Dekker, Koenig, and Gasser. 


Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: real chili 83 on December 05, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
Who are the refs tomorrow?
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on December 05, 2014, 09:40:02 PM
Burr, Higgins and Hightower
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2014, 09:59:07 PM
Nobody has had as big of an advantage as Kaminsky.

Honestly I think 25 is a lock and I am expecting in the 30s.

But if we keep the rest of the team in check and Jackson goes back to bad Jackson we can maybe keep it kinda close.

Yes they have. Kentucky and other teams as good as or better than Wisconsin have played teams much worse and even shorter than Marquette. Kaminsky is not Bird or Bill Russell. We are not Grambling State. Will Kaminsky have a great game? Probably. But saying you don't see a way that he doesn't drop at least 40 is a bit much.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 05, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
Mark Miller retweeted
Scott Williams @Spjscottwill  ·  46m 46 minutes ago
SPASH junior Sam Hauser will be in attendance at the Marquette-Wisconsin basketball game Saturday as guest of the Golden Eagles
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Groin_pull on December 05, 2014, 11:07:12 PM
Mark Miller retweeted
Scott Williams @Spjscottwill  ·  46m 46 minutes ago
SPASH junior Sam Hauser will be in attendance at the Marquette-Wisconsin basketball game Saturday as guest of the Golden Eagles

Not sure that's the game I'd invite a recruit to.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: mr.MUskie on December 05, 2014, 11:34:28 PM
Not sure that's the game I'd invite a recruit to.

+1
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2014, 11:50:47 PM
Not sure that's the game I'd invite a recruit to.

Yeah, you talk about something potentially backfiring on you.  Let's hope it's a sign that Wojo is highly confident his team is ready to be more than just competitive tomorrow.  And like Wojo says, this is why guys come to play at MU.  It will be a great college environment, packed house, huge student section, the works.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Nevada233 on December 05, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
+1

Exactly......
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
Not sure that's the game I'd invite a recruit to.

I think Mr. Hauser is well aware that Bucky will be the heavy favorites in this one. I'm sure he's also aware that they will be gutted by graduation next season and Dekker may leave as well whereas Marquette currently has a top 5 recruiting class. I think this is a great game to take a recruit to. The Bradley will be filled and fans will be at their loudest and proudest. If we lose, its exactly what was expected. If we win, Hauser may commit on the spot! Low risk, high reward scenario.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Shark on December 06, 2014, 12:17:44 AM
I think Mr. Hauser is well aware that Bucky will be the heavy favorites in this one. I'm sure he's also aware that they will be gutted by graduation next season and Dekker may leave as well whereas Marquette currently has a top 5 recruiting class. I think this is a great game to take a recruit to. The Bradley will be filled and fans will be at their loudest and proudest. If we lose, its exactly what was expected. If we win, Hauser may commit on the spot! Low risk, high reward scenario.

I like the way you think. We need more people like you.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: spartan3186 on December 06, 2014, 01:51:10 AM
According to Pomeroy, Vegas is more accurate than he is.

This. Correlation does not imply causation.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Groin_pull on December 06, 2014, 07:48:09 AM
I think Mr. Hauser is well aware that Bucky will be the heavy favorites in this one. I'm sure he's also aware that they will be gutted by graduation next season and Dekker may leave as well whereas Marquette currently has a top 5 recruiting class. I think this is a great game to take a recruit to. The Bradley will be filled and fans will be at their loudest and proudest. If we lose, its exactly what was expected. If we win, Hauser may commit on the spot! Low risk, high reward scenario.

It's not so much the potential loss, it's that the BC will be overrun with red.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 06, 2014, 09:03:59 AM
I think Mr. Hauser is well aware that Bucky will be the heavy favorites in this one. I'm sure he's also aware that they will be gutted by graduation next season and Dekker may leave as well whereas Marquette currently has a top 5 recruiting class. I think this is a great game to take a recruit to. The Bradley will be filled and fans will be at their loudest and proudest. If we lose, its exactly what was expected. If we win, Hauser may commit on the spot! Low risk, high reward scenario.

Bullseye
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: The Process on December 06, 2014, 09:17:09 AM
Burr, Higgins and Hightower

Ugh. So expect the game to take 4 hours, then.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2014, 09:30:26 AM
It's not so much the potential loss, it's that the BC will be overrun with red.

I've never seen the BC get more than 15% red. Especially when their football team in the B1G championship. Badger fans would much rather spend all day watching pregame coverage of their football team than attend one of their basketball team's actual games. I trust our fans ability to shout out whatever Bucky fans show up. Plus, having a little red there will make it an even more raucous environment.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2014, 09:33:12 AM
When Duane drills a buzzer beater to break Badger backs 67-66, I'm sure there will be plenty of noise despite the sea of red.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2014, 09:35:49 AM
Ugh. So expect the game to take 4 hours, then.

I think the poster who has the game's officiating crew as Burr, Higgins, Hightower, pulled three names of refs that he happens to know out of his you know what.  I don't find anywhere that lists the officiating crew for this game.  Nor have I ever heard of officiating crews being made public prior to gametime.   I don't think anyone knows ahead of time other than those probably on coaching staffs, SID depts of each school, and the television crew. I'm calling bullshine on the guy who put this up as fact.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: MUEng92 on December 06, 2014, 09:51:54 AM
Ugh. So expect the game to take 4 hours, then.

I think he was just offering a suggestion of one of the few things that would make it even less likely that MU fans will have a good experience today, short of the BC running out of beer at the 16:00 mark of the 1st half.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: brewcity77 on December 06, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
I think the poster who has the game's officiating crew as Burr, Higgins, Hightower, pulled three names of refs that he happens to know out of his you know what.  I don't find anywhere that lists the officiating crew for this game.  Nor have I ever heard of officiating crews being made public prior to gametime.   I don't think anyone knows ahead of time other than those probably on coaching staffs, SID depts of each school, and the television crew. I'm calling bullshine on the guy who put this up as fact.

Pretty sure there was implied teal on that one. Higgins and Hightower both retired.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2014, 10:02:04 AM
Pretty sure there was implied teal on that one. Higgins and Hightower both retired.

You have a more positive outlook on human nature than I do.  People's capacity to flat tell lies on the internet to get attention is boundless. 
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: willie warrior on December 06, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
Wuck Fisconsin!!!
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on December 06, 2014, 10:25:23 AM
Last night Yale won at UCONN 45-44 as 8.5 point dogs.  We can certainly upset WI at the BC!  GO WARRIORS!
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Last night Yale won at UCONN 45-44 as 8.5 point dogs.  We can certainly upset WI at the BC!  GO WARRIORS!

Wow, I didn't hear that one.  They've got to be the biggest busts of the young season. 

Hopefully Stone is taking note of their wretched start and what a fluke that tourney run was last year.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: mu-rara on December 06, 2014, 10:53:06 AM
Pretty sure there was implied teal on that one. Higgins and Hightower both retired.
I almost spit out my coffee.  Too funny.
Title: Re: Wisconsin opens as 10 point favorite over MU
Post by: NavinRJohnson on December 06, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Wow, I didn't hear that one.  They've got to be the biggest busts of the young season. 

Hopefully Stone is taking note of their wretched start and what a fluke that tourney run was last year.

So you want him to go to Wisconsin the, huh?