Oso planning to go pro
Then you will really love flying in an electric airplane 10-20 years from now. They will take extreme vertical takeoff to an entirely new level.(and not due to the noise concerns, since they are extremely quiet)
Yikes. A SWA MAX that was being relocated just had to make an emergency landing after an engine problem.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Completely unrelated to the MACS system.
I got it. Still not good.
While I have learned a bit about electric cars, I know zero about electricity as applied to commercial aviation. While I can fathom a Tesla creating the proper energy to propel an automobile forward, it is hard for me to grasp the amount needed to create enough thrust to propel a massive jetliner and get it airborne to the altitudes necessary. I’m assuming self-flying will be a given as well. Hope that your timeframe is accurate and that I’m still around to see it.
Thanks. This really clarifies it for me. It calls to mind the cost-benefit analysis that can be so troubling. I was still a naive youngster when I learned about cost-benefit in both a business law class and products liability class. If the costs of making a change to an unsafe product outweigh the costs of absorbing lawsuits and remuneration of victims, corporations will let people die via a defective product. Of course, if too many people die, the government will take action and ground your airplane. There are some cool videos on YouTube of jetliners and extreme vertical take-offs....some mandated by local noise ordinances and some just with pilots apparently having fun with no passengers aboard. When I see how extreme the nose is pitched upward, it makes me wonder why these planes didn’t stall and if the 737Max’s counter-stall software is even necessary given the extreme vertical takeoff prowess of other designs.
What will be curious is once the MAX gets approved to fly again, will Joe/Jill Air Traveler want to fly on it? I think the infrequent traveler may not know when booking a flight that one can see the scheduled type of aircraft being used for that flight. I travel a lot and always check, as it will impact my seat choice. Time will probably heal this wound eventually, but I know I’ll think twice if my route is showing a MAX.
I think Fluffy has it right. New software fix, some training, and probably a redundant sensor. This all goes away pretty quickly.
Not too quickly - Boeing is gonna have a ton of financial liability here.
Only if the phrases "pilot error" or "human error" don't appear in the final accident reports. And let's face it A) there is almost certainly an element to this that was exacerbated by the pilots B) the industry has a vested interest absolving Boeing and Airbus in aircraft accidents to a large degree giving the high liability risks anyway.
Even taking into account that a software fix and new pilot training were needed.
Mr. Market doesn't seem especially concerned anymore. BA back over 380 today.
There is a gap to 400 that should be filled pretty quick next week. Look like it wanted to go there today but the end of week/quarter machinations held it up a bit. Should see continuation Monday
There are more potential downsides beyond this. I don't think there will be much longterm concerns, even medium term concerns, among Americans. They will fly on it.I don't know about people internationally, however. We have a blind spot here in the US because Boeing is essentially an arm of the military - we are always going to have a rosy outlook. I do think people internationally are going to be quite a bit more skeptical than those in the US. The sentiments are already quite different today.If these crashes had happened in the US (from all evidence/case reports presented so far, largely luck that it didn't), then the outlook in our country would also be entirely different.Generalizing what we think about Boeing in the US to what the rest of the world will think about this aircraft is probably quite myopic. Boeing's hold on some of these international MAX contracts is tenuous. I hate the baseball analogy, but in this case it does fit. They are on strike 2 here. Strike 3 and the MAX is out. They have other exposure beyond just the MCAS system that is also being probed by DOJ/others. While they are to be restoring faith in their products worldwide, they are also potentially going to be hit from multiple angles in the coming months.