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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Warrior of Law on March 04, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
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Fans leaving in droves. This is Deane-era bad. The 8,000 that showed up is now about 2,000 with 4:00 minutes left.
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Why are you people surprised and why did you make another thread about something like this?
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Fans leaving in droves. This is Deane-era bad. The 8,000 that showed up is now about 2,000 with 4:00 minutes left.
We are...Dukiet.
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Not surprised; just sad.
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We are the new DePaul
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Not surprised; just sad.
the team sucks and it's St. John's not Syracuse
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the team sucks and it's St. John's not Syracuse
Not sure if you know, but St. Johns is better than Syracuse this year.
Don't disagree about a disappointing year though.
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WE'VE HIT ROCK BOTTOM
(http://soberchrystal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drunk-passed-out-spooning-the-toilet.jpg)
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Why would anyone stay to watch that crap? Frankly, why would anyone show up in the first place?
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Not sure if you know, but St. Johns is better than Syracuse this year.
Don't disagree about a disappointing year though.
Syracuse still would have outdrawn St Johns by a wide margin.
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We are the new DePaul
true. unless ellenson is the next jahlil, expect the same next year. College bball is cyclical for tier 2 programs. It will take a few years to get back but wojo is the right guy for the job
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We are the new DePaul
We should be so lucky.
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WE'VE HIT ROCK BOTTOM
(http://soberchrystal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/drunk-passed-out-spooning-the-toilet.jpg)
That made me laugh. Thank you.
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Fans leaving in droves. This is Deane-era bad. The 8,000 that showed up is now about 2,000 with 4:00 minutes left.
Did you stay until the end? Or even go the game?
There are transition years for every program. Look at UNC.
At the end of the day, we're a small school with a small fanbase and a huge arena. It takes winning to fill the place up
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Bandwagon fans are hilarious
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Bandwagon fans are hilarious
No, they suck!!!!!!
I went to a high school that won maybe 10 games over a 6 year period from my 5th grade year through 10th grade. My last two years they won 34 games and were ranked in the top 10 in the state in their division my senior year. My first year in college the team was #1 ranked until losing in the state semi-finals in Madison. My parents took me to every game they could during the losing years, never complaining about the coaches or the players and they and their friends were always there supporting the team. People who didn't step foot in the gymnasium for 7 years all of a sudden became big fans and some of these people lived close enough to the high school to walk to the gym. They were the epitome of bandwagon fans and I could have given two craps about them.
Get your ass out there Saturday and support the seniors. They stayed with the program through a coaching change and are now on their 3rd AD. They have played hard this year from beginning to end. If you want a great team every year, you have to do your duty as a fan.
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What percent of the posters here were at the game?
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Every fanbase has a bunch of bandwagon fans. It's the nature of fandom. Some people care more than others.
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It's not bandwagon to not spend money on a poor product. This team flat out stinks. It's hard to even watch the games on TV.
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All I know is that chick and I were there and stayed until the horn. Our son sat with us as none of his friends wanted to go. Trust me, we had room for him.
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Why would anyone stay to watch that crap? Frankly, why would anyone show up in the first place?
I didn't. Think I was in bed before it was over. More of many tickets that have gone unused this year.
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Student section 84-88. Never missed a home game that occurred while I was on campus. Hopefully, this phase breaks the MU fanbase of any notions of entitlement.
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I do think that season ticket sales will take a pretty major hit next year. Sure the lifers will still be there but I wonder what that core is? I guess we'll find out.
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A) there are a lot of negative neds and nancys at here
2) its a transition year, if anyone thinks next year's team will be at this level, stop sniffing glue
III) I hate the bandwagon fans, but thats the nature of fans. Just means those of us who stick through the tough times can enjoy the great times that much more (if you don't know how bad bad is, you can't truly appreciate how great good is)
d) there is a generational shift in options and opportunities for entertainment dollars, just reality. Marquette has to hope Wojo is the right guy for that job(I have 127% confidence in him) and they figure out their game day experience to make sure they have a quality product
I do think season ticket sales go down next year....I'm betting about a 10% drop.
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A) there are a lot of negative neds and nancys at here
2) its a transition year, if anyone thinks next year's team will be at this level, stop sniffing glue
III) I hate the bandwagon fans, but thats the nature of fans. Just means those of us who stick through the tough times can enjoy the great times that much more (if you don't know how bad bad is, you can't truly appreciate how great good is)
d) there is a generational shift in options and opportunities for entertainment dollars, just reality. Marquette has to hope Wojo is the right guy for that job(I have 127% confidence in him) and they figure out their game day experience to make sure they have a quality product
I do think season ticket sales go down next year....I'm betting about a 10% drop.
Agree with everything except that I am not sure how much better next year's team will be. And you are whistling past the graveyard to have 127% confidence in Wojo. I am at about 90%. However, it will have no affect on my fandom. I still follow an NFL team that went 0-16, I still root for a MLB team that won 43 games in an entire season and had to finish the year on a winning streak to do it.
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How are we Depaul with a top 10 recruiting class?
It's a bad year. There was a coaching change. Both happen. They will happen again multiple times in our lifetime.
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Yes, I was at the game. Stuck around until the very end like I always do. For a team not even 2 years removed from the Elite 8 to have sunk so low, and for the fan base to deteriorate so quickly, is remarkable.
In the mid-late 90s, on message boards, it was frequently discussed what would take to go back to the Arena so we wouldn't have to see so many empty seats. Last night would have been an ideal night ("Al's Night") to play at the Al McGuire Center or the Arena. Apparently the answer is you just have to put together a few dud seasons...We may have to go the way of UW-Milwaukee and put tarps over vast sections of the upper deck! ;D ;D
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St. Louis. We're like the 49ers with Harbaugh and many thought we'd just roll w/o the Buzz. Wojo better learn how to coach defense.
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Agree with everything except that I am not sure how much better next year's team will be. And you are whistling past the graveyard to have 127% confidence in Wojo. I am at about 90%. However, it will have no affect on my fandom. I still follow an NFL team that went 0-16, I still root for a MLB team that won 43 games in an entire season and had to finish the year on a winning streak to do it.
He's shown me enough this year that I believe he is the right man for the job. I also have a lot of faith that the last three scholarships will be very well used for next year. Could I be wrong, 127% I could be wrong, but I don't think I will be.
Next years team will be better if we can play Teve and Luke together as well as a 2nd year Duane....that's enough to be better, let alone what Henry and Haanif can contribute.
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Yes, I was at the game. Stuck around until the very end like I always do. For a team not even 2 years removed from the Elite 8 to have sunk so low, and for the fan base to deteriorate so quickly, is remarkable pretty normal.
Fify. The decline in attendance is the normal result of two bad years, this one in particular, where the team has little chance of winning most games. People haven't necessarily stopped buying season tickets, they are simply choosing to stay home or doing something else at 8:00 on a Wednesday night, as opposed to go watch a bad team get their brains beat in. As I am one of those people, I can't blame them. Improve the team, and the crowds will be right back where they were.
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Agree with everything except that I am not sure how much better next year's team will be. And you are whistling past the graveyard to have 127% confidence in Wojo. I am at about 90%. However, it will have no affect on my fandom. I still follow an NFL team that went 0-16, I still root for a MLB team that won 43 games in an entire season and had to finish the year on a winning streak to do it.
Tower, if we're anywhere near this bad (especially here down the stretch on a long conference losing streak) Wojo's job will already be on the line. The university would be looking as a season ticket fan base below 10,000 the following year and simply can't allow that to happen. I'm not suggesting great things next year but this was his one mulligan. He simply must put a competitive product on the floor. And he knows it.
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Bandwagon fans are hilarious
thank you - agreed - almost as bad as the fans that complain ad nauseam about the students and the crowds - get over it -
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St. Louis. We're like the 49ers with Harbaugh and many thought we'd just roll w/o the Buzz. Wojo better learn how to coach defense.
What defense has Wojo not tried this season? He's tried every variation of the zone and man-to-man with no effect. He just doesn't have the personnel this season to match-up with opposing teams.
This has been a bad season, but not for lack of effort on Wojo's part.
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Tower, if we're anywhere near this bad (especially here down the stretch on a long conference losing streak) Wojo's job will already be on the line. The university would be looking as a season ticket fan base below 10,000 the following year and simply can't allow that to happen. I'm not suggesting great things next year but this was his one mulligan. He simply must put a competitive product on the floor. And he knows it.
If everyone stays healthy, if Carter signs, if Wojo can find one more good player for next year's class (I prefer JUCO's but it is becoming clear Wojo doesn't), next year's team will be more competitive.
1. Carter (?), Duane, Cheatham(?)
2. JJJ (?) Cheatham, Duane, Amin.
3. Wally, Sandy
4. Henry, STjr.
5. Luke, Heldt.
What in that grouping is going to strike fear in opponents hearts?
Next year, even more than this year, is going to be about growth, getting better, young guys figuring out how to play at a high college level.
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Y'all just need to take a chill pill. Sometimes it's gotta hurt before it feels better, ai na?
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Y'all just need to take a chill pill. Sometimes it's gotta hurt before it feels better, ai na?
Words of wisdom from the dentist. And I am not upset. I accept that this is going to be yet another process I must respect and that greatness will not be achieved overnight.
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In the 2011-2012 season Villanova was 13-19. Today? Likely 1 seed.
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St. Louis. We're like the 49ers with Harbaugh and many thought we'd just roll w/o the Buzz. Wojo better learn how to coach defense.
Did we roll with Buzz last year? If Davidson didn't piss their pants silly the year before, would we still be rolling?
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Y'all just need to take a chill pill. Sometimes it's gotta hurt before it feels better, ai na?
Plus, were still four years away from being able to express an opinion.
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Plus, were still four years away from being able to express an opinion.
Express an opinion all you want, just don't bring your final evaluation. See the big picture.
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I do think that season ticket sales will take a pretty major hit next year. Sure the lifers will still be there but I wonder what that core is? I guess we'll find out.
Buying opportunity for some others than.
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Fify. The decline in attendance is the normal result of two bad years, this one in particular, where the team has little chance of winning most games. People haven't necessarily stopped buying season tickets, they are simply choosing to stay home or doing something else at 8:00 on a Wednesday night, as opposed to go watch a bad team get their brains beat in. As I am one of those people, I can't blame them. Improve the team, and the crowds will be right back where they were.
Navin, season ticket sales for '13-14 approximated 13,300. This year they were slightly below 12,000. If I were to guess I'd project next year at something under 11,000. We haven't seen that in at least a decade.
As Al used to say, "I look up in the corners to see if I'm doing my job."
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Navin, season ticket sales for '13-14 approximated 13,300. This year they were slightly below 12,000. If I were to guess I'd project next year at something under 11,000. We haven't seen that in at least a decade.
As Al used to say, "I look up in the corners to see if I'm doing my job."
Al had a small building
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Al had a small building
10,938 and then after Al 11,052. Funny how those numbers stick. ;D
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Navin, season ticket sales for '13-14 approximated 13,300. This year they were slightly below 12,000. If I were to guess I'd project next year at something under 11,000. We haven't seen that in at least a decade.
Agreed. We haven't been bad in a decade. The decline is not remarkable, it's normal. Get some players, win some games, and those numbers go right back up. Why should MU be immune to the trends that affect nearly every other team just the same?
(BTW, there are broader market forces that impact other sports and the fight for the entertainment dollar at work there as well, but that's a different discussion.)
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I sold 3-4 games .. went to maybe 10 -- but the rest? I found people to take them so my seats were NEVER empty.
Now that you can email and print tickets, it's so easy to send out a text or email to a bunch of people "anybody want these?" .. it's never failed me.
Not sure why other season ticket holders don't do that, get SOME value out of it, instead of not showing and flushing $80.
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You need to give the casual sports fan a reason to show up. And putting a garbage product on the court ain't a good reason.
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Agreed. We haven't been bad in a decade. The decline is not remarkable, it's normal. Get some players, win some games, and those numbers go right back up. Why should MU be immune to the trends that affect nearly every other team just the same?
(BTW, there are broader market forces that impact other sports and the fight for the entertainment dollar at work there as well, but that's a different discussion.)
I'm curious, someone with some time to research .. find a solid team, who has had 5+ years of greatness, then 2 years of awful .. followed by a climb up again. How quickly did their attendance go down, and recover? Or did it?
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I have doubts whether, all things considered, MU can ever draw 15,000 on a consistent basis. Perhaps the new facility will just close the upper loft area, and we'll have "sell-outs" of 12,000 or so. That would be ideal IMO.
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topper, you'll even recall that MU was having trouble holding the ticket base during the Buzz success years. We had average attendance of just over 16K for a couple years early followed by 3-4 years of decline. If memory serves, '13-14 was our first uptick year in a few on the heels of E-8. Notice that I'm mixing apples and oranges when I mention average attendance here and was discussing season tickets earlier.
By the way, I just looked up BMO BC lower bowl capacity. It's 7,783 for hoops, among the smallest in the NBA.
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topper, you'll even recall that MU was having trouble holding the ticket base during the Buzz success years. We had average attendance of just over 16K for a couple years early followed by 3-4 years of decline. If memory serves, '13-14 was our first uptick year in a few on the heels of E-8. Notice that I'm mixing apples and oranges when I mention average attendance here and was discussing season tickets earlier.
By the way, I just looked up BMO BC lower bowl capacity. It's 7,783 for hoops, among the smallest in the NBA.
I think that the equalizer made that argument many times, that attendance was falling under Buzz.
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I have doubts whether, all things considered, MU can ever draw 15,000 on a consistent basis. Perhaps the new facility will just close the upper loft area, and we'll have "sell-outs" of 12,000 or so. That would be ideal IMO.
Sure we can. We've done it many years in a row until right now.
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If it was a dry arena there would've been ~50 people last night. Unwatchable at this point. If we suck this bad 3 years from now I'm gonna go Coco the Ape wild on some posters.
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If it was a dry arena there would've been ~50 people last night. Unwatchable at this point. If we suck this bad 3 years from now I'm gonna go Coco the Ape wild on some posters.
MU has hit rock bottom. It may take that long.
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Last year, with a supremely disappointing product, we still sold over 15,000 tickets per game and were in the top 20. I know the crowd last night was light, but after a brutal year and with an after-8 pm start time in the middle of the week a day after I spent 2 hours trying to get downtown from the west trust me when I say going to the game was a supreme effort. The only people surprised by light attendance under these circumstances are the same ones that think we should be ranked because we have Top 100 recruits on the team. The reality is that at the end of a long, long year it is just not that enjoyable.
Hope to see you all on Senior Day.
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You need to give the casual sports fan a reason to show up. And putting a garbage product on the court ain't a good reason.
Groin Pull-- we are detecting a bit of frustration in your posts. Cheer up, be happy. There is always next year...or the year after...or the year after that! And so on.
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If it was a dry arena there would've been ~50 people last night. Unwatchable at this point. If we suck this bad 3 years from now I'm gonna go Coco the Ape wild on some posters.
Look, if Wojo doesn't have have the mojo, I'll be one of the first to advocate for his heave ho. Right now, the cat is workin' with 3 day old fish wrapped in newsprint and is devoid of talent. He can't make Shinola outta chit, hey? I like what I've heard from the man and from what others, far closer to the program than I, have said. Allow Steve to bring his own playas in and shape his program. Bumstead had us on a road to penalties and sanctions. That's not what I desire for my alma mater. Fook the W's and L's for now. I'm buyin' and holdin'.
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Look, if Wojo doesn't have have the mojo, I'll be one of the first to advocate for his heave ho. Right now, the cat is workin' with 3 day old fish wrapped in newsprint and is devoid of talent. He can't make Shinola outta chit, hey? I like what I've heard from the man and from what others, far closer to the program than I, have said. Allow Steve to bring his own playas in and shape his program. Bumstead had us on a road to penalties and sanctions. That's not what I desire for my alma mater. Fook the W's and L's for now. I'm buyin' and holdin'.
Who woulda thought that the great "In Buzz We Trust" phony cowboy would have left us in such bad shape. The guy that would be here as long as MU wanted him!
Sure hope that the door left a huge indentation on his ass as he bumbled through it.
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Look, if Wojo doesn't have have the mojo, I'll be one of the first to advocate for his heave ho. Right now, the cat is workin' with 3 day old fish wrapped in newsprint and is devoid of talent. He can't make Shinola outta chit, hey? I like what I've heard from the man and from what others, far closer to the program than I, have said. Allow Steve to bring his own playas in and shape his program. Bumstead had us on a road to penalties and sanctions. That's not what I desire for my alma mater. Fook the W's and L's for now. I'm buyin' and holdin'.
Right there with ya. Why do ya think his wife and kids haven't seen him since Christmas? Landed Anim. Maybe Traci's next. Then a rebounder or did we see that last night from our good friend Steve? Then a transfer to develop. All of a sudden we're playing real basketball again.
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Right there with ya. Why do ya think his wife and kids haven't seen him since Christmas? Landed Anim. Maybe Traci's next. Then a rebounder or did we see that last night from our good friend Steve? Then a transfer to develop. All of a sudden we're playing real basketball again.
If we can pair Teve and Luke together consistently, I think we'll be doing alright on the boards. Henry should be able to contribute in some capacity as well. My major concern is PG, but lets see what the grad transfer ranks hold. I see a grad transfer PG and Carter as a back-up next year....give the keys to Carter as a sophomore.
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Bandwagon fans are hilarious
+1. Just brutal.
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Last year, with a supremely disappointing product, we still sold over 15,000 tickets per game and were in the top 20. I know the crowd last night was light, but after a brutal year and with an after-8 pm start time in the middle of the week a day after I spent 2 hours trying to get downtown from the west trust me when I say going to the game was a supreme effort. The only people surprised by light attendance under these circumstances are the same ones that think we should be ranked because we have Top 100 recruits on the team. The reality is that at the end of a long, long year it is just not that enjoyable.
Hope to see you all on Senior Day.
Don't forget it was also midterms, which affected student attendance. I couldn't blame a kid who had a big test today from skipping that game.
As for the people who don't renew their season tickets because this was a bad year, screw 'em. Gives all the true fans a chance to move to better seats. Then in the next year or two when we are great again, those fair weather bandwagon jumpers can either sit behind us or pay scalper prices.
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No, they suck!!!!!!
I went to a high school that won maybe 10 games over a 6 year period from my 5th grade year through 10th grade. My last two years they won 34 games and were ranked in the top 10 in the state in their division my senior year. My first year in college the team was #1 ranked until losing in the state semi-finals in Madison. My parents took me to every game they could during the losing years, never complaining about the coaches or the players and they and their friends were always there supporting the team. People who didn't step foot in the gymnasium for 7 years all of a sudden became big fans and some of these people lived close enough to the high school to walk to the gym. They were the epitome of bandwagon fans and I could have given two craps about them.
Get your ass out there Saturday and support the seniors. They stayed with the program through a coaching change and are now on their 3rd AD. They have played hard this year from beginning to end. If you want a great team every year, you have to do your duty as a fan.
Did you go to Niles North?
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If we can pair Teve and Luke together consistently, I think we'll be doing alright on the boards. Henry should be able to contribute in some capacity as well. My major concern is PG, but lets see what the grad transfer ranks hold. I see a grad transfer PG and Carter as a back-up next year....give the keys to Carter as a sophomore.
When we can go 5 on 5 this summer I want Steve and Luke to be on the same team every day. Right now they have to cover each other in practice. Let Matt beat the crap out of Luke to toughen him up and allow Henry school his new captain just like Jabari would have back in the day. We just might end up with 3 bigs that can play effectively while Matty fills some minutes for Luke.
I can almost hear Wojo hollering at Matty. 'Foul him. Hit Luke every freakin' time.'
(By the way, read your new PM 03.) :)
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While I understand disappointment in the crowd I am nowhere near jumping off the bandwagon. Wojo has work cut out for him and until proven otherwise I am still a believer. The comparison with the Dukiet era only has meaning to me in terms of similar records. If, and I say if, the admin is still 100% behind the program things will turn around relatively quickly. I say if not to stir any pot, but as an only reason why things will not improve.
The past two seasons have been brutal to be an MU fan and we all get it. I do think they are apples and oranges though. Last year was highlighted by a guy running out of town and this by a guy trying to pick up the pieces. Mentioned on another thread that if same discussion going on next March I will be worried. That said, I am looking for improvement happening from day one next year.
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It will be nice to have the Heldt, Ellenson, Fischer triumvirate inside. Taylor too.
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As for the people who don't renew their season tickets because this was a bad year, screw 'em. Gives all the true fans a chance to move to better seats.
We've had-- what I consider to be-- nice, upper bowl seats since '05. Although we certainly have the points to be in the lower bowl, I don't want to. A bad MU team moves more people to my cheaper section, hurting my chances of getting the seats I want.
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I'm curious, someone with some time to research .. find a solid team, who has had 5+ years of greatness, then 2 years of awful .. followed by a climb up again. How quickly did their attendance go down, and recover? Or did it?
I wouldn't call some of those years great....one year we were the last 4 into the tournament, and those regular season games are what people go to. That was an up and down year. Some of the greatness you are talking about was tournament related.
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We've had-- what I consider to be-- nice, upper bowl seats since '05. Although we certainly have the points to be in the lower bowl, I don't want to. A bad MU team moves more people to my cheaper section, hurting my chances of getting the seats I want.
The last 3 years I've seen my upper bowl seats get worse. Have a feeling I might get bumped further back next year, which has me planning to move lower bowl. Would love to get into 218.
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We had tix and drove up from Chicago, stayed until the end as we usually do. I will say, though, that the first ten minutes of the second half were especially deadening and brutal. It took half an hour to play seven-eight minutes. We will be there on Saturday to support the seniors.
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I would agree. I am traveling from the Dakotas (yeah, both of them!) with a band of geezer brothers from the MU 1980s to see the game Saturday. This way we can really say we were there when the team was down. So sad we cannot go to Angelo's anymore. Hegarty's bit the dust , too. Real Chili lives on! I'm looking forward to buying some kids chili and telling them what I paid to go to Marquette!
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Why are we keyboard yelping on the brothers and sisters who showed up and left a few minutes early versus those who didn't show at all? Lower bowl. 90 people in my section. Nine showed up. Money seats. I spent 5 hours to get to the game and back. Yet, grief from folks keeping the couch warm away from the BC vs. folks who left a few minutes early? Really?
Students? 500 out of 4000. Good to see the Band, Spirit Squad and Fanatics seniors recognized. Great group to survive the last two years. Class act by MU. I would hire any of them in a minute.
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Groin Pull-- we are detecting a bit of frustration in your posts. Cheer up, be happy. There is always next year...or the year after...or the year after that! And so on.
Yup, it's been tough. Especially with the Vadgers riding so high. Just a very frustrated alum and fan.
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Badgers make me sick. If they win it all, this season will be like the Yellowstone Caldera going boom.
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Why would anyone stay to watch that crap? Frankly, why would anyone show up in the first place?
Because I paid for my tickets.
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I do think season ticket sales go down next year....I'm betting about a 10% drop.
Do you have the student section in that number? 10% is a big number. I don't see/hope the number that high. I think most are looking forward to the top 10 recruiting class.
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It's not bandwagon to not spend money on a poor product. This team flat out stinks. It's hard to even watch the games on TV.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of a bandwagon fan. It's not a bad thing. I bandwagon for the Bucks and Red Wings. Not everyone can be a diehard fan for every team.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of a bandwagon fan. It's not a bad thing. I bandwagon for the Bucks and Red Wings. Not everyone can be a diehard fan for every team.
+1 - everyone has only so much time, passion, and energy to devote to what matters to them in life. I eat, sleep, and breathe MU basketball and the Packers. I have my work, family, and faith. Then I'm definitely bandwagon Bucks, and probably care a little more about the Brewers.
I used to look down my nose on people who jumped aboard when a team started winning, and then life smacked me in the face.
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+1 - everyone has only so much time, passion, and energy to devote to what matters to them in life. I eat, sleep, and breathe MU basketball and the Packers. I have my work, family, and faith. Then I'm definitely bandwagon Bucks, and probably care a little more about the Brewers.
I used to look down my nose on people who jumped aboard when a team started winning, and then life smacked me in the face.
Yeah, I pretty much have come to the same conclusion. Every fanbase has them, and for good reason. People have only so much time and so much interest.
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It will be nice to have the Heldt, Ellenson, Fischer triumvirate inside. Taylor too.
call me crazy but Ellenson on the floor with Fischer could resemble Gasol and Noah over in Chicago. Obvious is the talent difference, but they play very well together with Gasol moving out for jumpers (actually has some range) on occasion similar to Ellenson's game. Growing pains at first but I have high hopes for those two to dominate together. Double teams will stop and rebounding should improve big time