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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: eroc830 on May 01, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
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Checked out the MECCA bar next to Fiserv last night before the Bucks game. Was pretty sweet. Food was good. Beer was about what I would expect, Miller Lite was $5 for a 14oz tap. Spent some time calculating whether the large TV was more square feet than my house (I think it is). Never seen anything like it. Sat in a booth on the 2nd level that overlooked the lower level and the huge TV. They have a bar on the 2nd level as well. Also seemed like they tapped into the Fiserv Forum scoreboard and sound. So, I assume if you watched the game from inside the bar you will be able to see the scoreboard, ribbon board, and audio just the same as if you were in the arena. Would recommend checking it out.
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Was there for a bit pregame. It's so over the top, but in a good way. No venue really quite like it in MKE.
Any sporting event that would draw a crowd would be sweet in there. Immediately thought of a US World Cup game.
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Was there for a bit pregame. It's so over the top, but in a good way. No venue really quite like it in MKE.
Any sporting event that would draw a crowd would be sweet in there. Immediately thought of a US World Cup game.
All 12 soccer fans in Milwaukee would have that place rocking.
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Was there for a bit pregame. It's so over the top, but in a good way. No venue really quite like it in MKE.
Any sporting event that would draw a crowd would be sweet in there. Immediately thought of a US World Cup game.
There’s very few dedicated sports bars in Milwaukee. I feel this place will do well.
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All 12 soccer fans in Milwaukee would have that place rocking.
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Guess you've never seen Nomad on a Sat morning
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All 12 soccer fans in Milwaukee would have that place rocking.
Still outnumber the 8 volleyball fans.
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Still outnumber the 8 volleyball fans.
But the 8 volleyball fans actually have their country to watch when the biggest competition in the world goes on (without having to host the event to guarantee qualification).
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But the 8 volleyball fans actually have their country to watch when the biggest competition in the world goes on (without having to host the event to guarantee qualification).
So you don't count the USWNT?
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The most recent I read was that the iconic Robert Indiana designed floor at the Mecca was rescued but, remained in pieces in storage.
Has all or part of the floor been acquired and on display in this "MECCA"?
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But the 8 volleyball fans actually have their country to watch when the biggest competition in the world goes on (without having to host the event to guarantee qualification).
The US had made 7 straight World Cups, only hosting for one. Only 5 countries have a longer active streak. Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Spain, & South Korea. 3 of those streaks include hosting more recently than the US did. Your comment is wildly inaccurate.
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The most recent I read was that the iconic Robert Indiana designed floor at the Mecca was rescued but, remained in pieces in storage.
Has all or part of the floor been acquired and on display in this "MECCA"?
The floor is still under private ownership. The guy is trying to sell it, but hasn't found the right buyer yet.
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So you don't count the USWNT?
I don't. But if we want to include the women's side of things, well, the NCAA Women's Volleyball Final Four sells out an NBA arena every year for all 3 matches, has a huge convention every year, sees many teams selling out their basketball arenas for most home matches, etc. So the whole "8 fans" thing then becomes pretty inaccurate. The sport becomes much bigger once you throw the women's side into it.
The US had made 7 straight World Cups, only hosting for one. Only 5 countries have a longer active streak. Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Spain, & South Korea. 3 of those streaks include hosting more recently than the US did. Your comment is wildly inaccurate.
Sorry, I must've fallen asleep and missed their 1 game in the last World Cup (which brings up the next problem...if you miss their first game, you probably missed all of their games).
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I don't. But if we want to include the women's side of things, well, the NCAA Women's Volleyball Final Four sells out an NBA arena every year for all 3 matches, has a huge convention every year, sees many teams selling out their basketball arenas for most home matches, etc. So the whole "8 fans" thing then becomes pretty inaccurate. The sport becomes much bigger once you throw the women's side into it.
Still more accurate than your 12 fans comment though.
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Beer was about what I would expect, Miller Lite was $5 for a 14oz tap.
Do they serve any beer with actual ... what's the word I'm looking for? ... oh yeah ... flavor?
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But the 8 volleyball fans actually have their country to watch when the biggest competition in the world goes on (without having to host the event to guarantee qualification).
Just like most things you say.. dumb and inaccurate.
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Just like most things you say.. dumb and inaccurate.
It is?
Dang, guess I really did sleep through their World Cup game.
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The US had made 7 straight World Cups, only hosting for one. Only 5 countries have a longer active streak. Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Spain, & South Korea. 3 of those streaks include hosting more recently than the US did. Your comment is wildly inaccurate.
Except, ya know man, it’s the United freaking States.
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Sorry, I must've fallen asleep and missed their 1 game in the last World Cup (which brings up the next problem...if you miss their first game, you probably missed all of their games).
This is a dumb take. France won the World Cup but has missed twice as many as the US since 1990. Netherlands, England, and Italy are all highly regarded nations that have missed World Cups recently.
The American equivalent of this would be saying Xavier is a garbage program because they missed the last NCAA tournament, or the Packers are terrible because they missed the playoffs last year. Good programs miss tournaments.
The reason I don't generally comment on volleyball is because I don't have a firm grasp on that landscape. I find it wise to avoid trying to seem smart about something I'm not well educated on. You are taking the opposite route. It's not a good look.
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This is a dumb take. France won the World Cup but has missed twice as many as the US since 1990. Netherlands, England, and Italy are all highly regarded nations that have missed World Cups recently.
The American equivalent of this would be saying Xavier is a garbage program because they missed the last NCAA tournament, or the Packers are terrible because they missed the playoffs last year. Good programs miss tournaments.
The reason I don't generally comment on volleyball is because I don't have a firm grasp on that landscape. I find it wise to avoid trying to seem smart about something I'm not well educated on. You are taking the opposite route. It's not a good look.
Funny that you say my comparison is a bad take but then compare USA soccer to the Packers and Xavier. As far as I can tell, the US men's team has won 1 game in bracket play since 1934. You're right, very comparable to the Packers success in the Playoffs and to Xavier's success in the NCAA Tournament.
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Funny that you say my comparison is a bad take but then compare USA soccer to the Packers and Xavier. As far as I can tell, the US men's team has won 1 game in bracket play since 1934. You're right, very comparable to the Packers success in the Playoffs and to Xavier's success in the NCAA Tournament.
You're wrong. US beat Mexico back in 2002 in the round of 16. But I also note how deftly you keep changing your arguments.
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https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1123998686974021632
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You're wrong. US beat Mexico back in 2002 in the round of 16. But I also note how deftly you keep changing your arguments.
So what you are saying is the US has won 1 game in bracket play since 1934? Kind of like what I just said? Wait, no, EXACTLY what I just said.
What, exactly, has changed in my arguments? The 8 volleyball fans never have to worry about not being able to watch their country play in the biggest competition in the world. Not the same for soccer. Unless, again, I was just sleeping for the one game I might’ve got to see them play in in the World Cup last time there was one. Certainly possible that was the case.
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I thought you were including 1934. My apologies
Anyway soccer fans watch more than just their country. There are a number of fan clubs throughout the area that watch various teams every week. Milwaukee has a pretty healthy fan-base for soccer. Your initial implication was inaccurate.
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The floor is still under private ownership. The guy is trying to sell it, but hasn't found the right buyer yet.
Sure would be nice if whomever buys it puts it on display at a public place. Other than the Boston Garden parquet, it's one of the most recognizable basketball courts anywhere.
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And for those ripping on soccer in the US, MN United is playing to sellout crowds at their new 20,000 seat stadium in St. Paul. They capped season tickets at 14,500 (and quickly sold out - there is now a waitlist), and held the remaining 5,500 for single game sales. The single game seats sold out in 90 seconds for the opener.
It may not be basketball, baseball or (American) football, but there are plenty of fans around.
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Still outnumber the 8 volleyball fans.
Is volleyball even a sport?
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Is volleyball even a sport?
Guess it depends. Do you consider kicking a ball around the 80 yards where you can do basically nothing to score for 85 out of 90 minutes on a 120 yard field to be a sport? Averaging 1.3 goals per match for a team to be a sport? Averaging maybe 5 scoring opportunities per 90 minute game to be a sport?
If so, then I'd say yes, volleyball is definitely a sport. If not, I suppose it could not be. The difference being, of course, that volleyball fans won't get butthurt and compare their country's awful team to the Green Bay Packers (partly because the volleyball fans' country isn't awful at volleyball). Don't like volleyball? Cool.
But soccer sucks.
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Guess it depends. Do you consider kicking a ball around the 80 yards where you can do basically nothing to score for 85 out of 90 minutes on a 120 yard field to be a sport? Averaging 1.3 goals per match for a team to be a sport? Averaging maybe 5 scoring opportunities per 90 minute game to be a sport?
If so, then I'd say yes, volleyball is definitely a sport. If not, I suppose it could not be. The difference being, of course, that volleyball fans won't get butthurt and compare their country's awful team to the Green Bay Packers (partly because the volleyball fans' country isn't awful at soccer). Don't like volleyball? Cool.
But soccer sucks.
I hope someday you have things in your life that require you to re-direct your energy from defending your various hot takes on MUScoop.
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Is volleyball even a sport?
Nude volleyball is.
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Guess it depends. Do you consider kicking a ball around the 80 yards where you can do basically nothing to score for 85 out of 90 minutes on a 120 yard field to be a sport? Averaging 1.3 goals per match for a team to be a sport? Averaging maybe 5 scoring opportunities per 90 minute game to be a sport?
If so, then I'd say yes, volleyball is definitely a sport. If not, I suppose it could not be. The difference being, of course, that volleyball fans won't get butthurt and compare their country's awful team to the Green Bay Packers (partly because the volleyball fans' country isn't awful at volleyball). Don't like volleyball? Cool.
But soccer sucks.
I question, do you have anything else going on in your life besides scoop?
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I question, do you have anything else going on in your life besides scoop?
Nothing.
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Guess it depends. Do you consider kicking a ball around the 80 yards where you can do basically nothing to score for 85 out of 90 minutes on a 120 yard field to be a sport? Averaging 1.3 goals per match for a team to be a sport? Averaging maybe 5 scoring opportunities per 90 minute game to be a sport?
If so, then I'd say yes, volleyball is definitely a sport. If not, I suppose it could not be. The difference being, of course, that volleyball fans won't get butthurt and compare their country's awful team to the Green Bay Packers (partly because the volleyball fans' country isn't awful at volleyball). Don't like volleyball? Cool.
But soccer sucks.
My friend coaches high school boys and girls volleyball. I went to watch her high school boys compete in a tournament and was struck by how completely unathletic most of the boys looked (not just the ones on her team). Watching those kids try to run was comical.
Sorry that you don’t like soccer. Not everyone has the intelligence to truly appreciate it.
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My friend coaches high school boys and girls volleyball. I went to watch her high school boys compete in a tournament and was struck by how completely unathletic most of the boys looked (not just the ones on her team). Watching those kids try to run was comical.
Sorry that you don’t like soccer. Not everyone has the intelligence to truly appreciate it.
Both are great sports.
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My friend coaches high school boys and girls volleyball. I went to watch her high school boys compete in a tournament and was struck by how completely unathletic most of the boys looked (not just the ones on her team). Watching those kids try to run was comical.
Sorry that you don’t like soccer. Not everyone has the intelligence to truly appreciate it.
Depends on where your friend is coaching. If it’s a place like Minnesota that is just startling to see schools add boys volleyball they’re probably tripping over their own feet learning the sport. Just like a kid just picking up soccer for the first time in high school. If you’re watching high level kids in California or Illinois you would probably not think volleyball players look unathletic.
Unlike soccer fans I don’t really care what people think about men’s volleyball. It’s a niche sport that I think is awesome. I realize it’s not for everyone and that’s totally cool. I just realize that, unlike soccer, there’s actually a history of success in volleyball for the USA. If you want to see whether volleyball players are athletic or not turn on ESPN2 at 7:00 central tonight. Maybe you’ll still think so, maybe not.
I do find it fun to troll soccer fans because they go nuts about it. If someone dares poke fun at “the beautiful game” the pitchforks and torches come out and we get to hear all about how the US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Which, of course, is absurdly laughable.
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If you want to see whether volleyball players are athletic or not turn on ESPN2 at 7:00 central tonight. Maybe you’ll still think so, maybe not.
Thanks for the reminder; DVR set.
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Thanks for the reminder; DVR set.
Should be a good one. Fourth matchup between what have been the two teams that are head and shoulder better than the field this year. Home team won the first three matches. At Long Beach again tonight. Sadly I think they repeat tonight.
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Both are great sports.
Yep. And people who engage in “my sport is great and your sport sucks” debates are the worst.
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Depends on where your friend is coaching. If it’s a place like Minnesota that is just startling to see schools add boys volleyball they’re probably tripping over their own feet learning the sport. Just like a kid just picking up soccer for the first time in high school. If you’re watching high level kids in California or Illinois you would probably not think volleyball players look unathletic.
Unlike soccer fans I don’t really care what people think about men’s volleyball. It’s a niche sport that I think is awesome. I realize it’s not for everyone and that’s totally cool. I just realize that, unlike soccer, there’s actually a history of success in volleyball for the USA. If you want to see whether volleyball players are athletic or not turn on ESPN2 at 7:00 central tonight. Maybe you’ll still think so, maybe not.
I do find it fun to troll soccer fans because they go nuts about it. If someone dares poke fun at “the beautiful game” the pitchforks and torches come out and we get to hear all about how the US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Which, of course, is absurdly laughable.
Haha I’ve never heard that Packers/soccer comparison. There is a history of success if you include women’s soccer but no one cares about women’s sports, as evidenced by allowing males to compete as women in women’s sports, so I understand why you excluded that from the conversation. I will agree that, for the most part, the men have been atrocious....how you don’t qualify for the World Cup from a region that includes tiny Caribbean Islands is beyond me.
I’ll check out the game tonight.
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Depends on where your friend is coaching. If it’s a place like Minnesota that is just startling to see schools add boys volleyball they’re probably tripping over their own feet learning the sport. Just like a kid just picking up soccer for the first time in high school. If you’re watching high level kids in California or Illinois you would probably not think volleyball players look unathletic.
Unlike soccer fans I don’t really care what people think about men’s volleyball. It’s a niche sport that I think is awesome. I realize it’s not for everyone and that’s totally cool. I just realize that, unlike soccer, there’s actually a history of success in volleyball for the USA. If you want to see whether volleyball players are athletic or not turn on ESPN2 at 7:00 central tonight. Maybe you’ll still think so, maybe not.
I do find it fun to troll soccer fans because they go nuts about it. If someone dares poke fun at “the beautiful game” the pitchforks and torches come out and we get to hear all about how the US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Which, of course, is absurdly laughable.
Antagonizing people to give yourself a laugh is says a lot about someone.
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Antagonizing people to give yourself a laugh is says a lot about someone.
Saying "all 12 soccer fans would have the place rocking" is antagonizing people? Sheesh. Soccer people are even softer than they appear when they get stretchered off the field only to be back in the game 30 seconds later.
I will continue to get a good laugh out of soccer fans getting butthurt over a little playful comment. Including this comment.
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Saying "all 12 soccer fans would have the place rocking" is antagonizing people? Sheesh. Soccer people are even softer than they appear when they get stretchered off the field only to be back in the game 30 seconds later.
I will continue to get a good laugh out of soccer fans getting butthurt over a little playful comment. Including this comment.
Dude you are 30+ years old, and you get joy about getting other people upset? I mean, really? Free country for sure, but internet trolling is just an extension of teasing. Which 99% of the time is harmless, but my 4 year old daughter knows better not to tease, but you as grown man find weird joy in it.
Now my guess, your response will be some kind of combination of. you Mad?!? You really butthurt, huh?!?! Or some other not very clever retort, but at the end of the day do you I guess.
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Dude you are 30+ years old, and you get joy about getting other people upset? I mean, really? Free country for sure, but internet trolling is just an extension of teasing. Which 99% of the time is harmless, but my 4 year old daughter knows better not to tease, but you as grown man find weird joy in it.
Now my guess, your response will be some kind of combination of. you Mad?!? You really butthurt, huh?!?! Or some other not very clever retort, but at the end of the day do you I guess.
Lol. 30 year olds can’t make harmless playful comments. You’re a better person than me “dude.” Also, you don’t know my age lol.
Glad you’ve never ribbed a Badger fan or a Brewers fan as an adult.
Sheesh! Glad you knew your response was worthy of a response you predicted. Even you, the great, mature adult knows how silly you sound! Just proving my point.
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Has the build up of the "deer district" had a negative effect on Old world third at all? I imagine that places like loaded slate, brat house and Buck Bradleys aren't getting the same amount of pregame or postgame crowds anymore
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Went to MECCA for the Bucks game last night. Food was pretty good. Drinks were slightly overpriced. You're paying for environment, and the environment was incredible. Nice place.
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So what you are saying is the US has won 1 game in bracket play since 1934? Kind of like what I just said? Wait, no, EXACTLY what I just said.
What, exactly, has changed in my arguments? The 8 volleyball fans never have to worry about not being able to watch their country play in the biggest competition in the world. Not the same for soccer. Unless, again, I was just sleeping for the one game I might’ve got to see them play in in the World Cup last time there was one. Certainly possible that was the case.
If you're trashing soccer, at least pick a sport other than volleyball to justify your take. LOL
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If you're trashing soccer, at least pick a sport other than volleyball to justify your take. LOL
I think if you followed along you’d see it’s been pretty easy to bash soccer. LOL!
But once again. The US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Hysterical. If that’s the case, the US is to volleyball what UCLA was to college basketball in the 70s.
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I think if you followed along you’d see it’s been pretty easy to bash soccer. LOL!
But once again. The US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Hysterical. If that’s the case, the US is to volleyball what UCLA was to college basketball in the 70s.
Saying soccer isn’t popular in this country because USMNT hasn’t succeeded in the WC is extremely naive. Justifying your take using volleyball as a benchmark of public interest is beyond moronic.
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I think if you followed along you’d see it’s been pretty easy to bash soccer. LOL!
But once again. The US is to soccer as the Packers are to football. Hysterical. If that’s the case, the US is to volleyball what UCLA was to college basketball in the 70s.
There is a very simple common thread
the US is to volleyball...(Morgan- Massachusetts)
the US is to basketball...(Naismith- Massachusetts---just 10 miles from Morgan)
the US is to American football...(various US citizens.. Walter Camp,John Heisman, Amos Alonzo Stagg, Pop Warner, Fielding H. Yost, and George Halas...with nod to origins in Rugby),
the US is to baseball....(Abner Doubleday--Cooperstown, with nod to Cricket and Rounders)
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the US is the inventing/ founding home of these sports
the US is to soccer....
Well clearly its not the home of the sport.
Do you see it as profound of you to say ...
US sports are popular and the US has much success in the sports they founded....but not as much in sports with their roots in other lands.
...Or are you simply entertained by creating a facially false premise and seeing if you can get others to bite and argue with your point.
I have met your type at the local bar, ....I quit drinking long ago.
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There is a very simple common thread
the US is to volleyball...(Morgan- Massachusetts)
the US is to basketball...(Naismith- Massachusetts---just 10 miles from Morgan)
the US is to American football...(various US citizens.. Walter Camp,John Heisman, Amos Alonzo Stagg, Pop Warner, Fielding H. Yost, and George Halas...with nod to origins in Rugby),
the US is to baseball....(Abner Doubleday--Cooperstown, with nod to Cricket and Rounders)
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the US is the inventing/ founding home of these sports
the US is to soccer....
Well clearly its not the home of the sport.
Do you see it as profound of you to say ...
US sports are popular and the US has much success in the sports they founded....but not as much in sports with their roots in other lands.
...Or are you simply entertained by creating a facially false premise and seeing if you can get others to bite and argue with your point.
I have met your type at the local bar, ....I quit drinking long ago.
I find people who can’t take a little ribbing to be entertaining. And there is no group of people who take a little running worse than soccer fans. Meaningless, harmless comment that someone came back with a good meaningless, harmless comment to. It was well done. Then we had to go all “You’re so wrong! The US doesn’t suck at soccer, they’re the Packers/Xavier of soccer you’re just clueless!” So I responded because that is just hysterical.
Also, no idea where soccer was invented, but I’d think a country with the third largest population in the world would have more success in soccer than it has.
But maybe countries like Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany, and France all simultaneously invented the sport of soccer, giving them an advantage the US does not have in soccer.
Or, sorry, futbol!
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I find people who can’t take a little ribbing to be entertaining. And there is no group of people who take a little running (?) worse than soccer fans. Meaningless, harmless comment that someone came back with a good meaningless, harmless comment to. It was well done. Then we had to go all “You’re so wrong! The US doesn’t suck at soccer, they’re the Packers/Xavier of soccer you’re just clueless!” So I responded because that is just hysterical.
Also, no idea where soccer was invented, but I’d think a country with the third largest population in the world would have more success in soccer than it has.
.But maybe countries like Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany, and France all simultaneously invented the sport of soccer, giving them an advantage the US does not have in soccer
Or, sorry, futbol!
England... British Empire... Europe... European Colonial Expansion.
Around a century after USA gained independence from all this ...the British soccer game of the late 1800s spread quickly (almost simultaneously) through out its neighbors in Europe, who in turn spread it through their colonies. Track a map of pre WWI Europe and soccer is simply a game permeated through those countries and their then worldwide colonies, including South America and Africa. Even today, The World Cup slate mirrors a competition of the Old World European powers and their world wide colonial partners with whom they shared this game of soccer.
Population size is a weird irrelevant postulate for you to make. China too has lots of people but because it too was outside the above historical loop it sputters at soccer.
Here...Soccer came to the USA not by origin but by its immigrants. Most immigrants of earlier waves simply Americanized and learned/supported the local USA sports, to "fit in" our melting pot. As modern immigration to the USA is less imposing of uniformity, newer waves brought/preserved a soccer love with them. TV has brought the international game to our home screens. A full generation of our youth have been raised playing the game. It is a popular growing demographic but soccer doesnt now and may never break through and surpass the others here as ...Commercial support is still highest for USA origin sports. Our nativism viz sport will not permit soccer to surpass but clearly it will continue to grow and prosper.
I will move on now as I rarely engage with those who dont know what they dont know....back in the day...it was easier at the bar to smile, buy them a drink and ask them to talk of something else.
I owe you a drink (smiling)
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Has the build up of the "deer district" had a negative effect on Old world third at all? I imagine that places like loaded slate, brat house and Buck Bradleys aren't getting the same amount of pregame or postgame crowds anymore
Not a gameday yesterday, but 3rd was hopping yesterday. Nice weather, looked like most of the establishments were busy during the day.
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Not a gameday yesterday, but 3rd was hopping yesterday. Nice weather, looked like most of the establishments were busy during the day.
Good to hear. I was weirdly concerned that my favorite establishments would suffer due to that complex. I suppose the success of the bucks (and us to a lesser extent) has increased game day crowds enough that they're large enough to sustain both the traditional spots and new complex.
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Soccer and volleyball are two of the more exciting sports to watch IMHO. But what do I know, I'm not as smart as wades...
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Soccer and volleyball are two of the more exciting sports to watch IMHO. But what do I know, I'm not as smart as wades...
Don't have to be smart to take a joke. JWags got it. After that, soccer fans responded as...well, as soccer fans typically respond.
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Places were a jumping for the Wave crowd, hey!
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Went down to Mecca bar for the Derby and could not get a table. Wife and I ended up Punch Bowl Social. The returning members of the MU ball team were enjoying themselves at PBS. The boys looked in good hands, with Cam Marotta being along.
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Places were a jumping for the Wave crowd, hey!
All 7 of them? ;D
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Went down to Mecca bar for the Derby and could not get a table. Wife and I ended up Punch Bowl Social. The returning members of the MU ball team were enjoying themselves at PBS. The boys looked in good hands, with Cam Marotta being along.
Finals study session?