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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 08, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
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1. Merry Christmas
2. Top 15 wins on back to back Saturdays.
3. Hate what you want, complain about whatever you want. (Pressure free throws) UBU
4. Marquette beat Bucky. Everything else is irrelevant. Party on.
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Ugly. Pretty. I don’t give a crap. After all, it is our Super Bowl. Ha ha
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1. Merry Christmas
2. Top 15 wins on back to back Saturdays.
3. Hate what you want, complain about whatever you want. (Pressure free throws) UBU
4. Marquette beat Bucky. Everything else is irrelevant. Party on.
WINNER. I don't care how it happens. WINNER. Some of our so called fans are a complete joke.
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Nothing to complain about from this one!
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Must be a nut punch to lose to MU again, aina Badgers?
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Ya gotta love Marquette.
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This felt good. Ugly as hell. but good.
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I have a serious man crush on Ed Morrow. What an absolute Beast today
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3-1 against them under Wojo if you ignore year 1 when he had clearly no shot
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I have a serious man crush on Ed Morrow. What an absolute Beast today
The rebound layup possession is the sotg
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Must be a nut punch to lose to MU again, aina Badgers?
Davison was awful for them. Karma
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A beautiful win for the team. This builds character for the future tough conference games. Also helps the rest of the conference.
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Way to fight back when things were slipping away.
Floppy McDickpuncher with 0 points, 0-3 from the line. Karma.
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Way to fight back when things were slipping away.
Floppy McDickpuncher with 0 points, 0-3 from the line. Karma.
Seriously, who the hell goes for the dick punch in an overtime game?
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put far more grey hairs on me than I would have liked, but gotta love the win.
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Seriously, who the hell goes for the dick punch in an overtime game?
The French soccer player does.
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Davison is an asshat. F Bucky.
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The rebound layup possession is the sotg
SHOT of the game. I agree. Changed the game right there.
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WINNER. I don't care how it happens. WINNER. Some of our so called fans are a complete joke.
You can be a fan, and be rational, ya know.
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Davison is an asshat. F Bucky.
Davison is a Douche Canoe!
(https://pics.me.me/define-douche-canoe-doosh-ka-noo-adjective-or-oar-a-4151980.png)
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The petty side of me really didn't want Wisconsin fans to be able to say they were undefeated in our building for two years
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Happ had half of UW's points. Great player, but with no outside shot, I don't believe he will play in NBA. Just a great college player.
Sacar shut down Davison big time, so credit to him.
Free throw shooting was just terrible by both teams today. Usually one is bad, one good. UW was 10 for 21, MU 22 for 34.
Joey Hauser getting better every game and you can see his confidence building.
UW had its chances many times in O/T, but MU came thru defensively.
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Happ had half of UW's points.
Judging solely by today, when Happ wasn't in, UW was crapp (extra P added for effect)
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Regarding Davidson: character revealed
I totally agree with the Morrow Man Crush - he was awesome - and the flashes of "holy sh!t" from Joey are spectacular.
UW is a pretty solid team and that was a much better W than KState was last week.
cut to Guru anger FAPing because it was so close and there were so many red shirts there
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This team won't go far in March if Howard continues taking such a high percent of the team's shots. I sure hope the Hausers take more control (and shots).
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Gutsy win. Not pretty, but a very nice win.
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I just feel relieved. That was a stressful game. Lots of Bucky fans coming to see the Forum. Just like at the Kohl Center, they left early. Good day. Don't care how, just really freaking happy for that win. We Are Marquette.
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Way to fight back when things were slipping away.
Floppy McDickpuncher with 0 points, 0-3 from the line. Karma.
Floppy McDickpuncher, I love it!
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This team won't go far in March if Howard continues taking such a high percent of the team's shots. I sure hope the Hausers take more control (and shots).
Today it was 45% of MU's shots. At times I say to myself, its better to have him shooting than Sacar and Joe C. Just the type of player he is and today they won with an off game. Just like last two previous games with Sam being off.
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Exactly. If not Markus, whom? No one else can get their own shot, nobody else can consistently beat their man off the dribble.
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Boy, its a lot easier to win when you play defense. Tonight our defense was good and our defensive rebounding was incredible. That is why we won. We don't win in a game in Wojo's first four years playing that way on offense. Nice, nice win.
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Joey outplayed his brother today. It’s frustrating how passive Sam is offensively at times when the offense clearly needs him
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Boy, its a lot easier to win when you play defense. Tonight our defense was good and our defensive rebounding was incredible. That is why we won. We don't win in a game in Wojo's first four years playing that way on offense. Nice, nice win.
This
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Must be a nut punch to lose to MU again, aina Badgers?
Speaking of nut punches......
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I've been disappointed in the offense this year, but is that because we've been spoiled the last couple years? I'm debating if my expectations of what this team should look like in a win are off.
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Exactly. If not Markus, whom? No one else can get their own shot, nobody else can consistently beat their man off the dribble.
People are being a bit too harsh on Howard. Yes, he took some bad shots, but that aggressiveness also got him 15 FT attempts (made 12). We need someone to put pressure on the lane and the defense and he is the only one who can do that.
Normally he makes 5-6 of the shots he missed. But if he isn't aggressive and attacking, we don't get those 12 points from the line.
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I'm debating if my expectations of what this team should look like in a win are off.
Agreed to a point. I'm expecting Sam, Joey, and Chartouny to shoot higher % by the end of the year than now. (.448 ,.491. .433 after today). I'll try to remember to check again to see if that pans out.
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Must be a nut punch to lose to MU again, aina Badgers?
Post of the month!
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Exactly. If not Markus, whom? No one else can get their own shot, nobody else can consistently beat their man off the dribble.
This is correct. 100 percent. Wojo really needs to get some elite athletes in here. Don’t like Markus chucking, but when Wojo took him out for a breather with about 6 left our offense looked absolutely lost
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Easy the least amount of Badger fans, I've seen in UW/MU game in Milwaukee.
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Regarding Davidson: character revealed
I totally agree with the Morrow Man Crush - he was awesome - and the flashes of "holy sh!t" from Joey are spectacular.
UW is a pretty solid team and that was a much better W than KState was last week.
cut to Guru anger FAPing because it was so close and there were so many red shirts there
Someone needs to change their username to Morrow Man Crush. Seriously.
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This is correct. 100 percent. Wojo really needs to get some elite athletes in here. Don’t like Markus chucking, but when Wojo took him out for a breather with about 6 left our offense looked absolutely lost
But he can still find open people when he breaks the defense down. He is shooting a lower percentage this year because he is taking lower percentage shots.
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This team won't go far in March if Howard continues taking such a high percent of the team's shots. I sure hope the Hausers take more control (and shots).
Lol
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This was nearly the game I was worried MU would play. Glad Wisconsin was worse
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Joey outplayed his brother today. It’s frustrating how passive Sam is offensively at times when the offense clearly needs him
As someone else pointed out, Sam hauled in 14 rebounds to go with his 12 points.
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Judging solely by today, when Happ wasn't in, UW was crapp (extra P added for effect)
Agreed, absolutely unimpressed with anyone else on that team. Happ was awesome and everything ran through him, the rest are just guys at best.
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https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/08/marquette-beats-no-12-wisconsin-74-69-in-ot-howard-has-27/ (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/08/marquette-beats-no-12-wisconsin-74-69-in-ot-howard-has-27/)
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I didn't see anyone else mention this, but after the game the entire team walked around the edge of the entire court (and occasionally climbed into the stands) to high-five, shake hands, and thank the fans for their support.
Very classy move, and just one more reason that I love these guys.
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This is correct. 100 percent. Wojo really needs to get some elite athletes in here. Don’t like Markus chucking, but when Wojo took him out for a breather with about 6 left our offense looked absolutely lost
I thought we went on a 7-2 run with M2N out.
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I didn't see anyone else mention this, but after the game the entire team walked around the edge of the entire court (and occasionally climbed into the stands) to high-five, shake hands, and thank the fans for their support.
Very classy move, and just one more reason that I love these guys.
But there were streamers and confetti, so they weren't being classy enough.
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But he can still find open people when he breaks the defense down. He is shooting a lower percentage this year because he is taking lower percentage shots.
100 percent agree. He's got to be better at that
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From an excitement standpoint, was this the best MU-UW game since the McGuire era? I’m hard-pressed to think of a better one.
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Easy the least amount of Badger fans, I've seen in UW/MU game in Milwaukee.
Yet Badger fans and their board seem to think this will be the only “decent” crowd Marquette gets this year ::)
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I guess I disagree with most here.
This wasn't an ugly game. It was the way a rivalry game should look. Good at times - rough at other times.
Was great to see Morrow step up the last 10 minutes - he was awful in the 1st half. If end-of-game Ed was the Ed we will see in the BE, we have as good a shot as anyone to win the league.
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Know won rushed da court, hey?
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One sign of a good team is when you can win in different ways. We won't always be drilling threes from everywhere on the court. Today MU beat the Badgers at their own game: shutting down everyone besides Happ, rebounding on both ends, protecting the ball, and playing with toughness throughout. A big victory, and a well-earned one.
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Wow .. UW shot 50% to our 34%. And we won somehow.
The graphic shows how .. utterly frigid Markus was.
(https://i.imgur.com/J3z3hju.gif)
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Exactly. If not Markus, whom? No one else can get their own shot, nobody else can consistently beat their man off the dribble.
That is a problem, and agree that is the reason he takes so many. We could use a page from the “paint touch” era and get the kick out off dribble penetration by Howard or Anim and get the D spinning til an open look. We seldom move the ball quickly around the perimeter. Still, a great win and huge couple weeks beating Louisville and two top 12 teams. Props to the team and coaches.
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One sign of a good team is when you can win in different ways. We won't always be drilling threes from everywhere on the court. Today MU beat the Badgers at their own game: shutting down everyone besides Happ, rebounding on both ends, protecting the ball, and playing with toughness throughout. A big victory, and a well-earned one.
You beat me to this post. Nicely stated!
So far this season, my single favorite thing about this team is that we don't have to hit 50% of our 3s to win; we don't need a bunch of lucky bounces to win; we don't need to pray that we can simply outscore our opponents in a 90-88 game to win.
We are much more hard-nosed, much more mentally tough, much MUCH more competitive defensively and on the boards. ''
I mean, F%cky had 3 offensive rebounds all game. THREE!!!!
We could not have won a game like this even last year, with Markus going 1-7 from 3 and no other Warrior really going off. But we have more than one way to beat teams now.
We have defeated 2 top-15 teams and didn't play close to our ceiling offensively in either one.
When the shots start dropping and we smooth a few things out, WE are gonna be the top-15 team. Maybe we already are.
So that's what I'm loving about this team this season.
What I'm loving about this game (aside from the obvious - a big W and lots of solid contributions by several players) is that the unquestioned effen goat is Davison, that cheating, free-throw-bricking, floppin' Douche Canoe! One could make a pretty good argument that he was the single biggest reason F%cky lost, and I love that!
We are Marquette!!
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I didn't see anyone else mention this, but after the game the entire team walked around the edge of the entire court (and occasionally climbed into the stands) to high-five, shake hands, and thank the fans for their support.
Very classy move, and just one more reason that I love these guys.
They did that after UTEP as well.
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You beat me to this post. Nicely stated!
So far this season, my single favorite thing about this team is that we don't have to hit 50% of our 3s to win; we don't need a bunch of lucky bounces to win; we don't need to pray that we can simply outscore our opponents in a 90-88 game to win.
We are much more hard-nosed, much more mentally tough, much MUCH more competitive defensively and on the boards. ''
I mean, F%cky had 3 offensive rebounds all game. THREE!!!!
We could not have won a game like this even last year, with Markus going 1-7 from 3 and Sam scoring 8 points. But we have more than one way to beat teams now.
We have defeated 2 top-15 teams and didn't play close to our ceiling offensively in either one.
When the shots start dropping and we smooth a few things out, WE are gonna be the top-15 team. Maybe we already are.
So that's what I'm loving about this team this season.
What I'm loving about this game (aside from the obvious - a big W and lots of solid contributions by several players) is that the unquestioned effen goat is Davison, that cheating, free-throw-bricking, floppin' Douche Canoe! One could make a pretty good argument that he was the single biggest reason F%cky lost, and I love that!
We are Marquette!!
Amen, Mike. The tougher team won today, no doubt about it. Really feels good to be able to say that!
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Wow .. UW shot 50% to our 34%. And we won somehow.
The graphic shows how .. utterly frigid Markus was.
(https://i.imgur.com/J3z3hju.gif)
They smoked us in eFG%. We won on the glass and at the stripe. A rarity.
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They smoked us in eFG%. We won on the glass and at the stripe. A rarity.
A rarity indeed .....
Maybe free throws mattered today !
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Markus shut down Trice. Nobody noticing that ? Nice all around game for Markus.
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From an excitement standpoint, was this the best MU-UW game since the McGuire era? I’m hard-pressed to think of a better one.
Yes it was! It comes right after the Maurice Lucas last second prayer that put Al on the scorer's table and the rest of us on the roof. Ed Morrow's put back and block will be remembered a long time.
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Yes it was! It comes right after the Maurice Lucas last second prayer that put Al on the scorer's table and the rest of us on the roof. Ed Morrow's put back and block will be remembered a long time.
If Howard hits that last second shot, this game probably goes down as one of the more memorable regular season wins since Al, just in terms of what it means for the program. We haven’t had any momentum since Blue left. Now we do.
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Joey certainly seems to be able to create his own shot to me. The move he put on Happ to start the game was an NBA move, and the take he had to start overtime was just as good. Happ and Reuvers both trying to force him back to the corner, little change of pace dribble, and then beat them both back to the baseline for the reverse. If we run a few more plays for him, I think we'll see he can get his shot and create matchup nightmares for our opponents.
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Yet Badger fans and their board seem to think this will be the only “decent” crowd Marquette gets this year ::)
I've been to the Kohl Center 6-8 times. That place is an absolute tomb most of the time. The FF atmosphere is 10x greater than the Kohl Center has ever been - and they know it. That fanbase is so insecure, all you can do is laugh at them.
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I have a serious man crush on Ed Morrow. What an absolute Beast today
And a Lot more to Come.
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i was sitting in the student section for my first time (not a student at mu) and the FF was loud and rockin
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From an excitement standpoint, was this the best MU-UW game since the McGuire era? I’m hard-pressed to think of a better one.
There were some good, exciting games in between. They didn't go to OT, but down to the wire.
Three years ago was 57-55 MU win
Both teams ranked in '03 that UW won 63-59
Late 80's MU lost by 5 in a game that went to OT. I remember MU making a killer turnover with under a minute with the game. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/12/03/Wisconsin-63-Marquette-58-OT-Gonzaga-55-UNC-Wilmington-48/5388628664400/
1979, MU lost to UW 57-56
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There were some good, exciting games in between. They didn't go to OT, but down to the wire.
Three years ago was 57-55 MU win
Both teams ranked in '03 that UW won 63-59
Late 80's MU lost by 5 in a game that went to OT. I remember MU making a killer turnover with under a minute with the game. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/12/03/Wisconsin-63-Marquette-58-OT-Gonzaga-55-UNC-Wilmington-48/5388628664400/
1979, MU lost to UW 57-56
With all due respect, no matter how "good" the game might have been, no self-respecting MU fan will consider a loss to Wisconsin to have been "good."
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I don't know that you can say our defense was good when the other team shot the ball at a 50% clip and better than that for much of the game. We played good defense in spots.
We won primarily because we limited our turnovers (8), we had numerous offensive rebounds, we got to the line a lot (13 more than the Badgers) and they were horrendous at the stripe.
It was ugly in spots but it was a great game to watch.
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I don't know that you can say our defense was good when the other team shot the ball at a 50% clip and better than that for much of the game. We played good defense in spots.
We won primarily because we limited our turnovers (8), we had numerous offensive rebounds, we got to the line a lot (13 more than the Badgers) and they were horrendous at the stripe.
It was ugly in spots but it was a great game to watch.
I will disagree slightly. The defense overall was solid. Box is skewed a bit, as there were some amazing defensive stands by Marquette that just resulted in lucky baskets. Sometimes the ball just bounces the other way. Really happy with the grit. Our guys played their hearts out today.
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I don't know that you can say our defense was good when the other team shot the ball at a 50% clip and better than that for much of the game. We played good defense in spots.
We won primarily because we limited our turnovers (8), we had numerous offensive rebounds, we got to the line a lot (13 more than the Badgers) and they were horrendous at the stripe.
A huge part of defense is securing the rebound. We limited F%cky to 3 offensive rebounds in 45 minutes. Three! And one of those 3 was a fluke -- two of our guys went for the ball, batted it off each other, and it landed right in Happ's hands for the Xmas-gift putback.
So that's one way in which the defense was good.
F%cky is not easy to defend because they often make opponents work 20, 25, 28 seconds per possession. In general, we made them take difficult shots. Trice led the nation in 3-point shooting; he went only 1-for-6 against us. In what essentially was a 1-possession game, that's freakin' important.
I thought our D was darn good. Not great, not best-ever, but darn good, hard-nosed, make-em-work-for-most-everything D.
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Bizarre game statistically for us. Finally didn’t turn it over. TO’s & boards were key for us. Shot like complete crap.
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Much improved in the turnover department against a good defense. I liked that
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Bizarre game statistically for us. Finally didn’t turn it over. TO’s & boards were key for us. Shot like complete crap.
eFG% no matta eh?
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I will disagree slightly. The defense overall was solid. Box is skewed a bit, as there were some amazing defensive stands by Marquette that just resulted in lucky baskets. Sometimes the ball just bounces the other way. Really happy with the grit. Our guys played their hearts out today.
Yeah, after UW scored on several of those end of the shot clock prayers in the first half and we were only down by one, I felt like we were in pretty good shape because our defense had been so solid. Shots didn’t fall as well for them in the second half and we were able to climb back in.
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This is correct. 100 percent. Wojo really needs to get some elite athletes in here. Don’t like Markus chucking, but when Wojo took him out for a breather with about 6 left our offense looked absolutely lost
Not correct. Markus was on the bench and the team came back to take their first lead of the second half 52-51 on a pass/dunk combo between hauser and Theo.
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Wow .. UW shot 50% to our 34%. And we won somehow.
The graphic shows how .. utterly frigid Markus was.
(https://i.imgur.com/J3z3hju.gif)
Howard's supporting cast shot 44%. Happ's supporting cast shot 33%.
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Great ugly win!!!!!! I almost lost it during the six missed free throws.
Morrow looking much better out there finding his role.
I am the first one to vent negative stuff on here but there sure are posters that call out any negative comments as heresy............warrior dad ;)
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Great ugly win!!!!!! I almost lost it during the six missed free throws.
Morrow looking much better out there finding his role.
I am the first one to vent negative stuff on here but there sure are posters that call out any negative comments as heresy............warrior dad ;)
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=3983
You can decide why someone may come to the conclusion I did. These are yours, no one else. Read through them. Your comments in November, I don't know what to say so you can read them yourself.
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Not correct. Markus was on the bench and the team came back to take their first lead of the second half 52-51 on a pass/dunk combo between hauser and Theo.
As I said earlier in response to Jonny’s comment, I’m pretty sure we went on a 7-2 run with Markus on the bench.
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As I said earlier in response to Jonny’s comment, I’m pretty sure we went on a 7-2 run with Markus on the bench.
Yes that's true.
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As I said earlier in response to Jonny’s comment, I’m pretty sure we went on a 7-2 run with Markus on the bench.
Cheers. Sorry. I was working my way through the thread and hadn’t seen yours.
Stayed off Scoop for last night. Wanted to enjoy the W without reading any negativity. Which surprisingly, there has been very little.
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Cheers. Sorry. I was working my way through the thread and hadn’t seen yours.
Stayed off Scoop for last night. Wanted to enjoy the W without reading any negativity. Which surprisingly, there has been very little.
Still more than there should be.
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Youtube link for the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZrmcllIdnc
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Still more than there should be.
also, nothing brings out the negative folks like a 10 day break between games. plenty of BS to happen soon enough
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WINNER. I don't care how it happens. WINNER. Some of our so called fans are a complete joke.
Responding nearly the same thing within a minute of one of your numerous alt accounts? Seek help. Seriously.
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Great ugly win!!!!!! I almost lost it during the six missed free throws.
Morrow looking much better out there finding his role.
I am the first one to vent negative stuff on here but there sure are posters that call out any negative comments as heresy............warrior dad ;)
come on you write off the season already a few weeks back either stick to your claim that its going to be a long season or eat crow and admit you overreacted. Warriordad is right to call people out who only have been on to trash the team and don't give credit where it's due.
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Great great win, have to really credit the team and Wojo the last few weeks beating two top 15 teams. It was a great game but there’s just something about beating them in Madison that is so much sweeter, it was so fun watching that blowout last year in Madison. Looking forward to watching Markus and Sam in their senior years blow out a Happ-less Badgers team next year
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I heard people were getting kicked out for wearing red in the student sections ? If so that's a joke
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I heard people were getting kicked out for wearing red in the student sections ? If so that's a joke
I think that was a stunt, just like the guy in the front row that took off a MU shirt to reveal a UW-M shirt underneath, then got a pie in the face from the Golden Eagle. Shortly thereafter, he cleaned his face & was back in his MU sweatshirt.
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I think that was a stunt, just like the guy in the front row that took off a MU shirt to reveal a UW-M shirt underneath, then got a pie in the face from the Golden Eagle. Shortly thereafter, he cleaned his face & was back in his MU sweatshirt.
Not so sure about that. On big games, they have traditionally checked student IDs before they let kids into the student section. If they sneaked in and started acting obnoxious, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the students ratted them out.
Also, if it was a stunt, wouldn't they have done it during a timeout and showed it on the Jumbotron? IIRC correctlly, I saw it happening while there was a stoppage in play.
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The confetti after the game was silly, why not just treat it like any other win? Bad look
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The confetti after the game was silly, why not just treat it like any other win? Bad look
They had confetti against K-State as well.
My guess is that they will have it after conference games as well.
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They had confetti against K-State as well.
My guess is that they will have it after conference games as well.
Ah I did not know that, just saw a bunch of Badger fans whining about it. Assumed they did it cause it’s a “special” game. Shouldn’t have taken their word for it. Also I’ve seen that about 90% of them are defending Davison and saying it was unintentional, pretty pathetic
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People should really stop worrying about what Badger fans say.
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The confetti after the game was silly, why not just treat it like any other win? Bad look
Milwaukee Bucks do it after every win. Since, the Bucks lost Friday to the Warriors, it had to be used on Saturday. ;D
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Just watched the game again. The thing that really stands out to me is that the guys got good shots (for the most part, Markus did force some but even those are shots he can make) they just didn’t make them. Shooting is streaky and they are in a bad streak and yet are winning. If the shots start falling again they could be good. I am sure there will be some fun streaks this year.
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“Between the flipping and dirty play, Davison makes me embarrassed to be a Badger fan”
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Not so sure about that. On big games, they have traditionally checked student IDs before they let kids into the student section. If they sneaked in and started acting obnoxious, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the students ratted them out.
Also, if it was a stunt, wouldn't they have done it during a timeout and showed it on the Jumbotron? IIRC correctlly, I saw it happening while there was a stoppage in play.
Usually it's a celebratory cream pie. We won so I guess we can file it under that.
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People should really stop worrying about what Badger fans say.
Do what I do. Use it for entertainment purposes only.
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There’s some really entertaining posts in the game thread of their 247 board, worth the read
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There’s some really entertaining posts in the game thread of their 247 board, worth the read
Hook us up with the link
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Hook us up with the link
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Board/103802/Contents/Wisconsin-Marquette-live-game-day-chat-126077495/
Lot of crying about the refs when the game was called pretty evenly, they must have forgotten the NC State Davison flop game already
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also Eric the Red called MU a mid major, must have forgotten their conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000 and ours has 2 of the last 3
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also Eric the Red called MU a mid major, must have forgotten their conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000 and ours has 2 of the last 3
That dude is an utter tool.
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also Eric the Red called MU a mid major, must have forgotten their conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000 and ours has 2 of the last 3
A mid-major that the Big 10 has an annual challenge with, that has their annual tournament in the arena the Big 10 had to change their entire schedule just to play in on low-major weekend, and a mid-major that has beat them three of the last four times we've seen them. If we're a mid-major, then I assume Wisconsin must be a low-major.
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That dude is an utter tool.
you meant "udder tool" right?
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Not so sure about that. On big games, they have traditionally checked student IDs before they let kids into the student section. If they sneaked in and started acting obnoxious, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the students ratted them out.
Also, if it was a stunt, wouldn't they have done it during a timeout and showed it on the Jumbotron? IIRC correctlly, I saw it happening while there was a stoppage in play.
The thing with the pie was a total stunt. That was during a timeout and had the camera on the jumbotron before he switched shirts, then the pie came. It was a clear stunt, though I thought was still quite well done.
I think there were other examples of students wearing red getting kicked out of the student section. I get why they don't want them in the student section, it's generally not a good idea. I do hope they were able to relocate them elsewhere and they didn't have to completely leave the FF.
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Adding to my strong dislike of John Dodds, I’m 95% sure he gave the Badger fans in front of me tickets to the game. The Badger fan had the text size on his phone set to maximum and I could see him and “John Dodds” texting back and forth. I guess it’s possible there is another a-hole out there with the name John Dodds.
Dodds gets quoted in articles saying “it’s five times bigger than the Super Bowl” (which is stupid) then gets tickets for opposing fans.
I will always dispise that man.
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also Eric the Red called MU a mid major, must have forgotten their conference hasn’t won a natty since 2000 and ours has 2 of the last 3
EricTheRed is a borderline psychopath. His level of self-loathing is off the charts. He made that “mid-major” jab by saying that Strickland’s game dominates against “Fla HS competition” but cant suffice against us. So, in the same breath he is ripping apart his own player while miserably failing at simple logic. Surely Florida HS stardom prepares one to play mid-major competition.
He and others go on to say that Theo John could have, probably should have been a Badger (they must’ve cooled on him) but that he is nothing special. Classic UW ex-post-facto logic. More double-talk from a conflicted fan base.
He then brings up how unwelcome MU makes Badger fans.....he even references Bill Cords rolling up the UW Hockey banners at the old Bradley Center. As if one can imagine MU banners being allowed to hang at the KOHL hole.
He chalks up the powerful Morrow rebound bucket (amongst 4 Badgers) to.....drum roll.....“crap-ass luck”.
If EricTheRed were an isolated anomaly amongst Badger fans, one could understand. However, much of the fan base exhibits similar pathology.
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A couple thoughts I had from this game:
Joey was described somewhere on this board last year as a little bigger, a little better and a little more athletic than Sam. I think we're starting to see this and it's gonna be good.
Ed "found himself".
Marcus needs to be more efficient himself and needs to play more of a team game.
Sam just had a Sam game. Again. which is no surprise at all. I predict at least 10 more double doubles for him and it will just be the expectation.
Heldt looks injured. He wasn't that slow last year.
When was the last MU team that played D and out-rebounded opponents?
I'll say the same thing I said about KState... Bucky is not worthy of a 12 ranking. That's not bias either. I've watched them a couple times and they just aren't that good. They'll finish 19-24 ish - probably.
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EricTheRed is a borderline psychopath. His level of self-loathing is off the charts. He made that “mid-major” jab by saying that Strickland’s game dominates against “Fla HS competition” but cant suffice against us. So, in the same breath he is ripping apart his own player while miserably failing at simple logic. Surely Florida HS stardom prepares one to play mid-major competition.
He and others go on to say that Theo John could have, probably should have been a Badger (they must’ve cooled on him) but that he is nothing special. Classic UW ex-post-facto logic. More double-talk from a conflicted fan base.
He then brings up how unwelcome MU makes Badger fans.....he even references Bill Cords rolling up the UW Hockey banners at the old Bradley Center. As if one can imagine MU banners being allowed to hang at the KOHL hole.
He chalks up the powerful Morrow rebound bucket (amongst 4 Badgers) to.....drum roll.....“crap-ass luck”.
If EricTheRed were an isolated anomaly amongst Badger fans, one could understand. However, much of the fan base exhibits similar pathology.
Also claiming that MU went out of their way not to sell any tickets to UW fans. It’s been at least 10 years since there were any public tickets for this game. Only STHs or mini plans...
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The thing with the pie was a total stunt. That was during a timeout and had the camera on the jumbotron before he switched shirts, then the pie came. It was a clear stunt, though I thought was still quite well done.
I think there were other examples of students wearing red getting kicked out of the student section. I get why they don't want them in the student section, it's generally not a good idea. I do hope they were able to relocate them elsewhere and they didn't have to completely leave the FF.
Oh, I knew that the pie thing was a total stunt. I was referring to the other kids getting kicked out.
And I like the choreographed stunts and think they should do more. At Bulls games, Benny has a bit were he "accidentally" spills a 40-gallon bag of popcorn on someone in the crowd. It would be hilarious if the Golden Eagle did this every game to an unsuspecting fan of the other team.
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A couple thoughts I had from this game:
Joey was described somewhere on this board last year as a little bigger, a little better and a little more athletic than Sam. I think we're starting to see this and it's gonna be good.
Ed "found himself".
Marcus needs to be more efficient himself and needs to play more of a team game.
Sam just had a Sam game. Again. which is no surprise at all. I predict at least 10 more double doubles for him and it will just be the expectation.
Heldt looks injured. He wasn't that slow last year.
When was the last MU team that played D and out-rebounded opponents?
I'll say the same thing I said about KState... Bucky is not worthy of a 12 ranking. That's not bias either. I've watched them a couple times and they just aren't that good. They'll finish 19-24 ish - probably.
Yes he was. (And the milkman is among my favorite players. ;D)
Let me add, I hate Bucky and some of their players (Davison) more than just about anything. But I've got to give total props to Ethan Happ. The dude is absolutely incredible at the collegiate level. With the exception of free throws and a need to improve his rebounding perhaps, I can't remember seeing a big guy with that skill set. Passes as well as most guards, runs the floor very effectively, and has the best big man footwork and soft touch that I can remember. Truly a joy to watch. And kudos to our guys in keeping everyone else in check because he was clearly the best player on the floor Saturday.
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I'll say the same thing I said about KState... Bucky is not worthy of a 12 ranking. That's not bias either. I've watched them a couple times and they just aren't that good. They'll finish 19-24 ish - probably.
They have one stud AA, After that, a bunch of role players and just guys. They will really struggle without Happ next year, though Iverson may be a case of addition by subtraction. And they are somehow expecting the #302 ranked freshman to be a major contributor.
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They have one stud AA, After that, a bunch of role players and just guys. They will really struggle without Happ next year, though Iverson may be a case of addition by subtraction. And they are somehow expecting the #302 ranked freshman to be a major contributor.
True dat. They look like they will really struggle next year. But we've been prematurely calling for their demise for years so there's that to consider.
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People should really stop worrying about what Badger fans say.
And about confetti and other silliness.
We have a very good, fun-to-watch team that's very easy to root for. I can't figure out why folks are searching for negatives like effen confetti (if it even is a "negative").
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They have one stud AA, After that, a bunch of role players and just guys. They will really struggle without Happ next year, though Iverson may be a case of addition by subtraction. And they are somehow expecting the #302 ranked freshman to be a major contributor.
I'm not there yet. Trice, Davison, & Reuvers will all be juniors and they have some decent depth around them. I think Reuvers could the next in that line of Leuer/Berggren/Kaminsky/Happ bigs that contributes in multiple ways and is a star upperclassman. We should be the better team next year, but it will be on the road against a team that can compete for a NCAA bid, and when they come back to the FF they'll have an experienced squad of seniors. I think writing them off because of Happ is premature. They're in okay shape (not great, but not the total end of an era).
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I'm not there yet. Trice, Davison, & Reuvers will all be juniors and they have some decent depth around them. I think Reuvers could the next in that line of Leuer/Berggren/Kaminsky/Happ bigs that contributes in multiple ways and is a star upperclassman. We should be the better team next year, but it will be on the road against a team that can compete for a NCAA bid, and when they come back to the FF they'll have an experienced squad of seniors. I think writing them off because of Happ is premature. They're in okay shape (not great, but not the total end of an era).
Agreed on Reuvers. He has a lot more game than I thought, and the confidence to go with it. He's gonna be a pain in our backside next year and will likely have to go small to guard him (or just have Joey do it).
2020 class is going to determine how it shakes out for both teams. Would love to get some early commits for our own 2020 class to ensure we are in good standing.
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Oh, I knew that the pie thing was a total stunt. I was referring to the other kids getting kicked out.
And I like the choreographed stunts and think they should do more. At Bulls games, Benny has a bit were he "accidentally" spills a 40-gallon bag of popcorn on someone in the crowd. It would be hilarious if the Golden Eagle did this every game to an unsuspecting fan of the other team.
Gotcha, I misinterpreted your post then.
And agreed, I think they're well done. A few of the Badger fans went nuts when the guy ripped off the MU shirt and had the badger shirt on underneath, but then the pie came and it was great.
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I'm not there yet. Trice, Davison, & Reuvers will all be juniors and they have some decent depth around them. I think Reuvers could the next in that line of Leuer/Berggren/Kaminsky/Happ bigs that contributes in multiple ways and is a star upperclassman. We should be the better team next year, but it will be on the road against a team that can compete for a NCAA bid, and when they come back to the FF they'll have an experienced squad of seniors. I think writing them off because of Happ is premature. They're in okay shape (not great, but not the total end of an era).
I'm the other way, granted I have watched almost no Badger basketball this year, but that team looks like it's gonna be driving the struggle bus next year. I think they are gonna have to go back to a pure swing offense which will mitigate some of the issues but they are just not going to have much talent next year and likely the year after that.
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And about confetti and other silliness.
We have a very good, fun-to-watch team that's very easy to root for. I can't figure out why folks are searching for negatives like effen confetti (if it even is a "negative").
I can tell you exactly. It's because we have a subset of scoopers that would rather we fail in any way imaginable so they can reinforce their own ego about how right they are that Wojo is a terrible coach and should never have been hired in the first place.
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I'm the other way, granted I have watched almost no Badger basketball this year, but that team looks like it's gonna be driving the struggle bus next year. I think they are gonna have to go back to a pure swing offense which will mitigate some of the issues but they are just not going to have much talent next year and likely the year after that.
I'm with Eng on this. I really don't see enough talent to effectively compete. When you ask former complimentary players to become the lead dog, that's an entirely different level. Trice and Reuvers are 'fine' but not guys that can be the focus of a team's scouting report in my opinion.
I mean, look at Markus. Every team has him at the top of its pregame chart. Especially as it pertains to his shooting, you think it hasn't had an impact?
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The Badgers are not a very good team. If the last two Saturday's were against top 15 teams in the country, I will up my expectations for this team. That said, I want to watch a few more weeks to see how things shape up. At the moment, I am not not overly impressed with the teams ranked #12 in the country that have have visited MU.
NOTE---not a bash on Wojo or MU. They beat both teams and job well done.
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I'll answer you this way goose. Maybe not #12 but another NCAA 'lock' team. In those games this year we're a very solid 3-2 with our only losses against the presumptive #1 in an hour and on the road in a gym where very few have succeeded through the years.
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The Badgers are not a very good team. If the last two Saturday's were against top 15 teams in the country, I will up my expectations for this team. That said, I want to watch a few more weeks to see how things shape up. At the moment, I am not not overly impressed with the teams ranked #12 in the country that have have visited MU.
NOTE---not a bash on Wojo or MU. They beat both teams and job well done.
That's fair, Goose.
Rankings are a fun conversation piece, but they don't mean a whole lot in the big picture, especially this early in the season. Who really knows how good Kansas State or Wisconsin or Buffalo are yet? For that matter, who knows how good our Warriors are?
Having said that, I do have to admit that I like it when the national spotlight gets focused positively on our program, and the rankings do contribute to that. And I do like it when I see Marquette on the bottom score scrawls at ESPN and FS1, something that happens more frequently when we're ranked.
As far as not being impressed with Wisconsin and Kansas State, is it at all possible that our lads made them look worse than they are by outplaying them? I suppose K-State having lost to Tulsa takes some shine off, but F%cky's only other loss was to the No. 4 team in the country, and they do have some nice wins.
Remind me ... what were your expectations for our team?
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I can tell you exactly. It's because we have a subset of scoopers that would rather we fail in any way imaginable so they can reinforce their own ego about how right they are that Wojo is a terrible coach and should never have been hired in the first place.
This is so perfectly well stated.
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The Badgers are not a very good team. If the last two Saturday's were against top 15 teams in the country, I will up my expectations for this team. That said, I want to watch a few more weeks to see how things shape up. At the moment, I am not not overly impressed with the teams ranked #12 in the country that have have visited MU.
NOTE---not a bash on Wojo or MU. They beat both teams and job well done.
The Badgers have one truly great player and enough of a supporting cast to probably make the tournament. They need Trice to step up and be a consistent legit second threat to be more than they are now. That said they have a good body of work and beating UW is a very good quality win MU had to work hard to get. Proud of MU for coming through in the clutch.
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MU82
My expectations had them a bubble team. Aside from the last few wins, Wojo has surprised me a tad with guys playing time. My expectations were based off Cain and Heldt playing more minutes this season. Wojo has played the better players and I like that. If he starts to play Morrow more minutes than John, I think the team will be better than I expected.
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I'm not there yet. Trice, Davison, & Reuvers will all be juniors and they have some decent depth around them. I think Reuvers could the next in that line of Leuer/Berggren/Kaminsky/Happ bigs that contributes in multiple ways and is a star upperclassman. We should be the better team next year, but it will be on the road against a team that can compete for a NCAA bid, and when they come back to the FF they'll have an experienced squad of seniors. I think writing them off because of Happ is premature. They're in okay shape (not great, but not the total end of an era).
Berggren wasn't bad but his name doesn't belong in the same stratosphere with Leuer, Kaminsky, and Happ.
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Have said it many times, do not care how we beat better teams or style of play used to beat those teams. You can only beat the teams you play. My point is, if they are lock NCAA teams, it should be pretty ugly March. They both look like bubble teams to me.
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MU82
My expectations had them a bubble team. Aside from the last few wins, Wojo has surprised me a tad with guys playing time. My expectations were based off Cain and Heldt playing more minutes this season. Wojo has played the better players and I like that. If he starts to play Morrow more minutes than John, I think the team will be better than I expected.
Interesting. I felt we were a top-3 in the Big East team, and nothing so far has changed that.
Totally agree about minutes. In his first season, IMHO, Wojo gave too many minutes to guys he felt comfortable with or indebted to or whatever ... still can't really explain it except that he was a rookie coach who was learning on the fly. But since then, I think he has done a good job apportioning minutes, and I think he especially has had a good feel for the 5 position.
Theo has earned his minutes, and it appears Morrow is earning more minutes, too. They have fairly similar skill sets. If memory serves, one reason Morrow wanted out of Nebraska is they wanted him to play 5, but it's his obvious position for our team, too.
I have long felt that the fewer minutes Heldt plays, the better the outlook for our team is. That isn't because I "hate" Matt or even because I think he is an awful player. It's because if he is playing 10 mpg or fewer, it simply means we have better players at the 5 -- and that's a good thing.
Cain's lack of playing time has surprised me compared to what I felt he'd get going into the season, but again, it means that others are producing. I mean, how many games would it have helped our team to have less Sacar (or less Sam or less Joey, because they're the other players who would lose time) and more Jamal?
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MU82
I am not going to bash Cain, but I do not think he is a contributor on a top 20 team. Role player, yes. IMO, John falls into the same camp. Morrow is a more polished basketball player. John is a bruiser and everyone likes that. I feel Morrow brings much more to the table than any of the big men.
We are in agreement, Wojo is giving the minutes to the guys that can help them win. I will give Wojo this, his playing time per player is reflecting an urgency to winning this year. I was concerned that he was going to give 8-9 guys a lot of minutes. IMO, there are not 8-9 guys who deserve a lot of playing time.
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MU82
I am not going to bash Cain, but I do not think he is a contributor on a top 20 team. Role player, yes. IMO, John falls into the same camp. Morrow is a more polished basketball player. John is a bruiser and everyone likes that. I feel Morrow brings much more to the table than any of the big men.
We are in agreement, Wojo is giving the minutes to the guys that can help them win. I will give Wojo this, his playing time per player is reflecting an urgency to winning this year. I was concerned that he was going to give 8-9 guys a lot of minutes. IMO, there are not 8-9 guys who deserve a lot of playing time.
Have to agree with you, Goose. RIGHT NOW, no he’s not. However, Cain would be like the quintessential ‘80s ‘90s Cub who is traded (forced to transfer) and goes on to kill it with his new team. Hope he channels any anger and frustration into taking his game to another level RIGHT HERE. I think the defensive lapses have really hurt him re playing time, as one of the main reasons he and Greg were recruited was to help amp-up the D and exhibit toughness. Mental lapses on D can be fixed. Would hate to lose this guy...but think the transfer rumor is, if not ridiculous, totally premature.
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Have to agree with you, Goose. RIGHT NOW, no he’s not. However, Cain would be like the quintessential ‘80s ‘90s Cub who is traded (forced to transfer) and goes on to kill it with his new team.
At a P6 type of school? I really doubt that. I can see him crafting out a Sacar-like role here, but the only level I see him "killing it" would be at a MAC or Horizon type school.
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MU82
My expectations had them a bubble team. Aside from the last few wins, Wojo has surprised me a tad with guys playing time. My expectations were based off Cain and Heldt playing more minutes this season. Wojo has played the better players and I like that. If he starts to play Morrow more minutes than John, I think the team will be better than I expected.
The minutes for Matt and Jamal have been surprising for sure, but the team seems to be carving out its identity, so I'm OK with this for now. As it relates to Ed and Theo, I don't know that we've seen enough consistency from Ed just yet for him to be getting more minutes than Theo. Both guys seem to do well in the rim protector role, but I think Theo has been more effective so far this year. We got to see some of what Ed is capable of down the stretch against UW, but until he's able to bring that level of play for 20+ minutes, I still like Theo as our primary big.
That being said, with our offense performing well at times from inside the arc this year, there could be some good scenarios to play both guys together and push for more points in the paint.
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At a P6 type of school? I really doubt that. I can see him crafting out a Sacar-like role here, but the only level I see him "killing it" would be at a MAC or Horizon type school.
I can see justification for your doubt, but I really feel that maybe it’s the dynamics of this team that is limiting his time a bit too. Right now, Brendan can do everything Jamal can and more. There is a lot of versatility on this team, and that’s a good thing. Jamal is a thin perimeter player exhibiting mental lapses on D...not a good recipe for playing time. He can and will develop. Hope it’s here. I just have a feeling his ceiling is higher than people realize. I do see your point.
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MU82
I am not going to bash Cain, but I do not think he is a contributor on a top 20 team. Role player, yes. IMO, John falls into the same camp. Morrow is a more polished basketball player. John is a bruiser and everyone likes that. I feel Morrow brings much more to the table than any of the big men.
We are in agreement, Wojo is giving the minutes to the guys that can help them win. I will give Wojo this, his playing time per player is reflecting an urgency to winning this year. I was concerned that he was going to give 8-9 guys a lot of minutes. IMO, there are not 8-9 guys who deserve a lot of playing time.
All of this is analysis I can respect, Goose.
Not sure I've seen evidence of Morrow being more polished or more anything else than Theo, but I haven't seen evidence to the contrary, either. I'm guessing they will play based upon matchups, who is doing well in a given game, etc.
I also am glad that Wojo is giving the most minutes to the most deserving guys and the guys most likely to help us win. That's his job.
My surprise with Cain comes from the production we were getting from him down the stretch last season. He was a good 3-point shooter and I figured he'd improve defensively and with his decisions as he got experience. So far, that hasn't panned out. Maybe it will later this year, maybe next year, maybe at a different school ... who knows?
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I think Cain's lack of playing time actually illustrates something about LAST YEAR's team. Two small guards. Three freshmen getting minutes force fed them, especially after Haanif left. 8 players in the rotation when Froling flamed out. We all gave Cain credit for working his butt off and not getting overwhelmed as often as we feared, as well as making the open 3, getting the skying rebound and making the occasional stop. And we should have. He did as much as any 3 star freshman getting big minutes in a tough league can be asked to do. He hasn't regressed. Better players have arrived. Last year, he got minutes at the 3/4. This year, there are taller players with more complete games in front of him.
Just another reason I thought Wojo squeezed as much as he could have out of last year's team.
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I actually think Cain has improved on the defensive side. It's his offense that didn't develop. I think he has some good upside but just got passed up for now. Keep in mind he's the second youngest scholarship player on the team.
And people wonder why I suggested redshirtting him
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TAMU
I was in your camp on redshirt for Cain. While I am not high on him, but thought it was good call on your part.
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I was against it, thinking he could play some 2 this year. I was thinking Theo, giving him a chance to develop a complete game with Heldt and Eke picking up his minutes. Hmmmmm, completely bolluxed that up.
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I actually think Cain has improved on the defensive side. It's his offense that didn't develop. I think he has some good upside but just got passed up for now. Keep in mind he's the second youngest scholarship player on the team.
And people wonder why I suggested redshirtting him
Based on last year, I thought a redshirt was a silly suggestion. I now bow to your superior knowledge, sir!
When one looks at the way Wojo is apportioning minutes, the only way to give Cain more time is to take it away from Joey, Sam or Sacar, or take some of BB's few minutes away, or to bolt JCS to the bench.
I think most of us will agree that taking minutes away from Joey, Sam or Sacar wouldn't be the best thing. BB is very similar to Cain but looks like the better player so far. And while I'm guessing there are plenty of folks who would favor the latter option JCS is the only Warrior who can give Markus some relief from PG duties. It will be interesting to see how things develop if and when Elliott returns.
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I actually think Cain has improved on the defensive side. It's his offense that didn't develop. I think he has some good upside but just got passed up for now. Keep in mind he's the second youngest scholarship player on the team.
And people wonder why I suggested redshirtting him
I rewatched the portion of the game last night that Cain was in and didn't see him make any glaring mistakes. He seemed to be very focused on staying in front of his guy on defense when he had the ball. Maybe a little uncertain on defense when his guy was on the weakside, but nothing significant. Interesting that he got pulled and never made it back in, but I guess that indicates Wojo's overall trust in a tight game.
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I'm not there yet. Trice, Davison, & Reuvers will all be juniors and they have some decent depth around them. I think Reuvers could the next in that line of Leuer/Berggren/Kaminsky/Happ bigs that contributes in multiple ways and is a star upperclassman. We should be the better team next year, but it will be on the road against a team that can compete for a NCAA bid, and when they come back to the FF they'll have an experienced squad of seniors. I think writing them off because of Happ is premature. They're in okay shape (not great, but not the total end of an era).
Not writing them off beyond next year with the loss of Happ. He does everything for them. If he is not scoring, he is finding the open man for an clean look, as well as apparently being the only one interested in rebounding.
Trice no doubt improved his shooting and surprised a bunch of teams, but I didn't see the ability to create his own shot. Markus Howard, of all people, who no one will claim is an elite defender, had plenty of quickness to shut Trice down other than when he got pinched in the double screen.
I agree, in two years the shoe might be on the other foot as they'll have a older team and we'll be faced with trying to replace both Markus and Sam, a monumental task for a non-blue blood. But unless Gard really improves his recruiting, they look to be on the Hank Raymonds trajectory. That said, their team defense was very solid and that alone could forestall a major decline.
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I actually think Cain has improved on the defensive side. It's his offense that didn't develop. I think he has some good upside but just got passed up for now. Keep in mind he's the second youngest scholarship player on the team.
And people wonder why I suggested redshirtting him
Keep in mind, though, that his minutes increased as the season went on. He was getting more minutes in conference play last year than against cupcakes, so he was playing against better competition. His minutes this year have been primarily against cupcakes, making it a little harder to tell where he's at compared to last year.
Given our roster makeup, redshirting Cain made total sense. I'm surprised there was much pushback there. Even so, I'm still surprised at his limited minutes so far. Hopefully the increased competition for minutes at the wing pushes all those guys to get better as the season goes on.
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MU82
My expectations had them a bubble team. Aside from the last few wins, Wojo has surprised me a tad with guys playing time. My expectations were based off Cain and Heldt playing more minutes this season. Wojo has played the better players and I like that. If he starts to play Morrow more minutes than John, I think the team will be better than I expected.
I think Theo is showing really solid growth, and if he continues he'll be a very good BEast starting center as an upper classman. But it is also great being able to switch between the more experienced Morrow and Theo. As well as Morrow played in the 2nd half, his 1st half was no bueno.
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TSmith
Similar to my comments on Hekdt and Cain not playing much this year, I hope the same holds true for John next season. That means the program is taking steps in the right direction. Getting better players is the name of the game, and they have better players on this years team. Hope to see the trend continue.
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Really good discussion here, but I kind of took the thread off-topic, so....the track/rails are back in sight...
Harold Baines elected to the Hall of Fame today. He of “Winning Ugly” White Sox fame.
When winning ugly involves us beating Bucky, can the outcome be anything but pretty? UW defends at a high level and excels at taking away what you do best. By definition, if you beat them, you’re probably doing it “ugly.” If you beat a Dick Bennett-coached UW team, well...you prolly just “won hideously”
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TSmith
Similar to my comments on Hekdt and Cain not playing much this year, I hope the same holds true for John next season. That means the program is taking steps in the right direction. Getting better players is the name of the game, and they have better players on this years team. Hope to see the trend continue.
Fair enough. Are we even pursuing a big, though?
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Fair enough. Are we even pursuing a big, though?
Most are 2020s.
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Fair enough. Are we even pursuing a big, though?
The hope is that Ike's back heals, I think.
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The hope is that Ike's back heals, I think.
Even if it does, Ike is pretty much the definition of a project big I think. With his (pre-injury) athleticism it makes sense to take a flyer on a guy like that, but with the expectations for the program I think you need to aim a lot higher.
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Have to agree with you, Goose. RIGHT NOW, no he’s not. However, Cain would be like the quintessential ‘80s ‘90s Cub who is traded (forced to transfer) and goes on to kill it with his new team. Hope he channels any anger and frustration into taking his game to another level RIGHT HERE. I think the defensive lapses have really hurt him re playing time, as one of the main reasons he and Greg were recruited was to help amp-up the D and exhibit toughness. Mental lapses on D can be fixed. Would hate to lose this guy...but think the transfer rumor is, if not ridiculous, totally premature.
Please stop. There is no rumor. There is one poster giving his un-informed/non-insider opinion.
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Even if it does, Ike is pretty much the definition of a project big I think. With his (pre-injury) athleticism it makes sense to take a flyer on a guy like that, but with the expectations for the program I think you need to aim a lot higher.
Assuming he is healthy and everyone returns, Ike does not need to produce much next year. In two years, he needs to produce.
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Really good discussion here, but I kind of took the thread off-topic, so....the track/rails are back in sight...
Harold Baines elected to the Hall of Fame today. He of “Winning Ugly” White Sox fame.
When winning ugly involves us beating Bucky, can the outcome be anything but pretty? UW defends at a high level and excels at taking away what you do best. By definition, if you beat them, you’re probably doing it “ugly.” If you beat a Dick Bennett-coached UW team, well...you prolly just “won hideously”
Note to Jesmu...I DID stop. Just got scared by the (unsubstantiated) thought of an unhappy Jamal.
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Wisconsin will have the best player on the court in just about every single game they play in, and quite often it will be by a pretty wide margin. That goes a long, long way in college basketball. I have very little doubt they end the season as one of the 20 best teams in college basketball. Disciplined, well coached in terms of knowing they aren't going to outgun teams so they slow the game down, make you guard for 25+ seconds, and then make it very tough for you to score, and have one of, if not the, best players in college basketball. It's really hard for college teams to be comfortable playing late in the shot clock. Wisconsin is very comfortable there, and makes sure that both teams are consistently playing that game.
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The Badgers are not a very good team. If the last two Saturday's were against top 15 teams in the country, I will up my expectations for this team. That said, I want to watch a few more weeks to see how things shape up. At the moment, I am not not overly impressed with the teams ranked #12 in the country that have have visited MU.
NOTE---not a bash on Wojo or MU. They beat both teams and job well done.
Why is it whenever MU does something good, you downplay it? Every time. The competition is bad, or we are lucky, always something. Is there no joy? Wisconsin is a top 20 team for a reason and will remain so throughout most of the season.
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WarriorDad
My post had zero to do with MU performance. It had to do with the two opponents noted. You obviously only read what you want to read. On numerous posts I have stated positives shown over the past couple of weeks.
Did you read my last line in the quote you noted? Did you read any other posts in this thread from me?
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I think Theo is showing really solid growth, and if he continues he'll be a very good BEast starting center as an upper classman. But it is also great being able to switch between the more experienced Morrow and Theo. As well as Morrow played in the 2nd half, his 1st half was no bueno.
Theo had a sweet block last year against the Badgers as well.
https://youtu.be/kvgOfL0bezM?t=112
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Wisconsin will have the best player on the court in just about every single game they play in, and quite often it will be by a pretty wide margin. That goes a long, long way in college basketball. I have very little doubt they end the season as one of the 20 best teams in college basketball. Disciplined, well coached in terms of knowing they aren't going to outgun teams so they slow the game down, make you guard for 25+ seconds, and then make it very tough for you to score, and have one of, if not the, best players in college basketball. It's really hard for college teams to be comfortable playing late in the shot clock. Wisconsin is very comfortable there, and makes sure that both teams are consistently playing that game.
I agree with this analysis
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Marquette - Back to Back Super Bowl Champs!!!
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Theo had a sweet block last year against the Badgers as well.
https://youtu.be/kvgOfL0bezM?t=112
Forgot that play. Thank you.
Marquette - Back to Back Super Bowl Champs!!!
And boy does it feel good!
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Theo had a sweet block last year against the Badgers as well.
https://youtu.be/kvgOfL0bezM?t=112
Wow—Reuvers really filled out in just one year. Man he was a skinny frosh.
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Yes it was! It comes right after the Maurice Lucas last second prayer that put Al on the scorer's table and the rest of us on the roof. Ed Morrow's put back and block will be remembered a long time.
Glad you posted this! I said this same thing to a fellow 74 alum. We both agreed had Marcus hit that shot at he end of regulation and we had a 16" snow storm outside it would have been exactly the same!
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Ah I did not know that, just saw a bunch of Badger fans whining about it. Assumed they did it cause it’s a “special” game. Shouldn’t have taken their word for it. Also I’ve seen that about 90% of them are defending Davison and saying it was unintentional, pretty pathetic
UW fan here. Davison should have been kicked out of the game. No place for that BS...
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Agreed. The question I have for Badger fans in general is this..... if the situation had been reversed and a few years earlier when so many Wisconsin fans were labeling MU players as thugs, and one of those 'thugs' had done the exact same thing to a Badger, what would your reaction have been? Whatever the answer is, that should be your reaction to Davison.
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Agreed. The question I have for Badger fans in general is this..... if the situation had been reversed and a few years earlier when so many Wisconsin fans were labeling MU players as thugs, and one of those 'thugs' had done the exact same thing to a Badger, what would your reaction have been? Whatever the answer is, that should be your reaction to Davison.
Don't disagree with that. A number of years ago in Madison, Dominic James and Traevon Hughes got into it, right in front of where my son and I were sitting. Tempers get heated, things happen but what Davison did is a flagrant foul and is indefensible. My reaction would be the same whether it be a Marquette player or a player for any other team. Not sure how anyone could endorse what he did..
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UW fan here. Davison should have been kicked out of the game. No place for that BS...
Undercover Badger?
Hope I'm wrong here but not really feelin' it...hopefully Howard does his thing again and erases all doubt! 8-)
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WarriorDad
My post had zero to do with MU performance. It had to do with the two opponents noted. You obviously only read what you want to read. On numerous posts I have stated positives shown over the past couple of weeks.
Did you read my last line in the quote you noted? Did you read any other posts in this thread from me?
I'm trying to get over your opening line that the Badgers are not a very good team. That seems to be a way of slapping down MU's accomplishment.
Wisconsin is top 20 in every major rating in the country. When you say not very good, does that mean there are 5 good teams and 345 not very good teams?
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WarriorDad
The Badgers are not a very good team. They have one exceptional player and nothing else. If that is a slap at MU, you are looking to argue. How are things out in LA?
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Undercover Badger?
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Who me? 8-)
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WarriorDad
The Badgers are not a very good team. They have one exceptional player and nothing else. If that is a slap at MU, you are looking to argue. How are things out in LA?
UW is #13 in KenPom. #11 in NET.
Like them or not, they are a very good team and this was a great win for MU, especially come selection Sunday time.
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UW is not a great team and perhaps not a "very good" team, depending upon one's definition of "very good."
But they obviously are a good team. They have an outstanding road win at Iowa, and their 2 losses were close defeats on the road against ranked teams. They have quality wins against teams from the ACC, Big East, Big 12 and Pac 12. They are ranked high, both by observers (sportswriters/coaches) and by every computer-based service that uses metrics to rank teams. In most games they have had and will have the best player on the court, and they also have decent role players who would get significant minutes at most D1 schools. They seem well-coached.
They are a good team ... and they lost a few days ago to a better one.
How many "great" teams are there? For that matter, how many "very good" teams are there?
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WarriorDad
The Badgers are not a very good team. They have one exceptional player and nothing else. If that is a slap at MU, you are looking to argue. How are things out in LA?
Ken Pom says they are a good team, 13th in the nation. They may not be very good, but to say they are not a very good team is indefensible in my opinion unless your definition is everyone but a few teams are not very good.
Do not very good teams make the NCAA tournament as an at large bid? This Badgers team is extremely likely to make the NCAA tournament with an at large bid.
The new NCAA NET system has them 11th. The Associated Press Poll 16th. Coaches poll at 19th. ESPN power rankings, 13th. USA Today power rankings 15th. They are currently in first place in the Big Ten.
What is it that you see that the rest of the nation doesn't? Before you answer, I am in agreement that they have one very good player, but they also have some good supporting cast in Trice and others. There have also been a successful teams in NCAA that have a dominant player that go a long way. They are not a great team, I'm not sure they are very good, but to say they aren't a very good team as you have just defies all the data out there.
LA? Los Angeles? Louisiana? I'm in neither location, but why do you ask?
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MU82
The lack of very good teams definitely has my expectations higher for this season. My gut says, that about 20-30 teams all fall into that UW, KState camp. Overall, it appears that there are 5-6 very good or better teams out there. Based on a decent sample size, MU has opportunity to make some noise if they take care of business.
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MU82
The lack of very good teams definitely has my expectations higher for this season. My gut says, that about 20-30 teams all fall into that UW, KState camp. Overall, it appears that there are 5-6 very good or better teams out there. Based on a decent sample size, MU has opportunity to make some noise if they take care of business.
Does this mean in your evaluation of NCAA teams?
5-6 VERY GOOD TEAMS
20-30 NOT VERY GOOD TEAMS
330 BAD TEAMS
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Does this mean in your evaluation of NCAA teams?
5-6 VERY GOOD TEAMS
20-30 NOT VERY GOOD TEAMS
330 BAD TEAMS
1 MARQUETTE (VERY GOOD TEAMS)
352 NOT VERY GOOD TEAMS
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WarriorDad
How many very good teams in the BE this year?
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WarriorDad
How many very good teams in the BE this year?
Right now, none. Many good teams, none today that are very good. Are you trying to say there are only two categories? Very good and not very good? That is quite a spot to land on if that is what you are implying.
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MU82
The lack of very good teams definitely has my expectations higher for this season. My gut says, that about 20-30 teams all fall into that UW, KState camp. Overall, it appears that there are 5-6 very good or better teams out there. Based on a decent sample size, MU has opportunity to make some noise if they take care of business.
Seems reasonable, Goose.
Semantically, when one calls another team "not very good," some immediately interpret that to mean "bad."
"The Panthers? Oh man, they're not very good." That means: "They suck!"
I'm going to assume you weren't using that version of "not very good" when talking about Wisconsin, a team that certainly doesn't look like it sucks. I'm assuming you were saying they simply weren't among those you deem to be "very good." And that's an opinion, and it's fair. If you were saying Wisconsin is "bad," that's also an opinion but it would seem to be a not very sound one.
I have a very high bar for "great" teams; I think that means a championship-level team that folks will remember (for the right reasons) for a long time. As such I don't know if there is a single great team this year. Duke is the most likely team to emerge as such IMHO, as they have several very-high-ceiling freshmen.
I do think there are a half-dozen, maybe even 10, "very good" teams - teams that might be flawed in some way but otherwise would be top-3 NCAA seeds most seasons. I'd love for MU to join that list, but I don't think we're quite there yet. Maybe by this time next month I'll put them there.
After that, lots of good teams. I think we're one of them, and I also think Wisconsin is. When you've played 10 games, avoided "bad" losses, have a number of "good" wins and are ranked high by all the rating systems, you are pretty much by definition "good."
Based on what we've seen from Nova, X and other BEast teams, I definitely have raised my expectations of where our alma mater should finish in the conference standings. I think a conference title is very realistic, and anything lower than third would be disappointing. (Barring a huge injury or two, or some other unforeseen situation.)
Have a good very good one.
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MU82
Well said. My comments, or grading, really is based off comparison to years past. I do not see the quality of teams this year, and hope it is just an overall down year. My optimism for MU having success this year is much higher than a month ago. As an MU fan, I could not care less if we succeed in up or down year in college ball. You can only beat teams to you play. My bar for success this year is no longer a bubble team in March.
That said, regardless of outcome, I would grade performance based off season, and compare this season/team to past seasons/teams.
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MU82
My bad. To answer your question on "not a very good team", in today's game, The Badgers would be considered a good team. By standards 3-4 years ago, they probably suck.
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MU82
My bad. To answer your question on "not a very good team", in today's game, The Badgers would be considered a good team. By standards 3-4 years ago, they probably suck.
Where would you have categorized Wisconsin's team 3-4 years ago (when Gard was showing up Wojo by coaching an entire roster of Bo's players to back to back Sweet 16s)?
In my opinion, if you're a Sweet 16 team you're a good team, so Wisconsin would've been considered a "good team" in those years. And in my opinion this year's Wisconsin team is better than those years' Wisconsin teams. Happ this year is far and away better than either Koenig or Hayes was those years, and while those 2 are better than UW's 2nd best player this year (Trice), I think Trice and Davison are both better than Showalter was.
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I can see it now. This team comes together and goes 13-5/14-4 and wins the Big East. The narrative will be 'the Big East was down' and 'Wojo only wins the easy Big East Championships.'
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wades
What are you smoking? Four years ago the Badgers played for national championship.
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wades
What are you smoking? Four years ago the Badgers played for national championship.
Okay, sorry. Remove the "-4." Where would you classify the Wisconsin team from 3 years ago, the one that went to the Sweet Sixteen.
Not smoking anything. Just thought common sense would kick in, you'd read "the team that made the Sweet Sixteen" and the players referred to (Hayes, Koenig, Showalter) and know which team I was referring to.
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MU82
My bad. To answer your question on "not a very good team", in today's game, The Badgers would be considered a good team. By standards 3-4 years ago, they probably suck.
I disagree that this Wisconsin team would have "sucked" 3-4 years ago. They'd have been in the top half of the Big 14 and would have made the tournament, IMHO. Every bit as good as, say, some of the Butler, Texas or NC State teams that made the tourney.
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MU82
My bad. To answer your question on "not a very good team", in today's game, The Badgers would be considered a good team. By standards 3-4 years ago, they probably suck.
Los Angeles is fine.
Why wouldn’t you compare this year’s teams to this year’s teams, rather than teams of the past? They cannot compete against teams of the past, only those that play this year. Just my opinion.
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Dis chit is just two good ta put down, hey?
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WarriorDad
My post had zero to do with MU performance. It had to do with the two opponents noted. You obviously only read what you want to read. On numerous posts I have stated positives shown over the past couple of weeks.
Did you read my last line in the quote you noted? Did you read any other posts in this thread from me?
Last year I called MU in a blowout. This year, my confidence level is not high for a victory. I feel that we will struggle scoring points. I wish we could have carried over some of the fireworks from last season. My only hope for victory is home cooking. Very much hoping that MU faithful are loud and into the game.
I think where the confusion comes in is that going into the game you seemed to think we didn’t have much of a chance. Which would seem to suggest either you thought Wisconsin was good and this would be tough to beat or you think Marquette is so bad that we can’t even beat a not very good team at home.
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wades
No confusion on my side. If I thought we didn't have much of a chance, I would not have added home court advantage. As I noted, I thought MU would have trouble scoring points, and believe they will all season. As for UW, my opinion on their team changed a great after watching them in person.
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wades
No confusion on my side. If I thought we didn't have much of a chance, I would not have added home court advantage. As I noted, I thought MU would have trouble scoring points, and believe they will all season. As for UW, my opinion on their team changed a great after watching them in person.
Fair. I don’t agree because I think Ethan Happ is as good of a college basketball player as any this year and having a true star in the college game goes a long way. But I am very interested to see what they look like next year without him. I don’t think the guys behind Happ are very good, but it’s possible that they’re simply taking a back seat to their star senior and with more opportunity they’ll show more consistency.
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wades
No confusion on my side. If I thought we didn't have much of a chance, I would not have added home court advantage. As I noted, I thought MU would have trouble scoring points, and believe they will all season. As for UW, my opinion on their team changed a great after watching them in person.
I think that's fair, though that was also the worst performance I've seen from the Happ supporting cast outside maybe the Virginia game. Against Xavier, NC State, Oklahoma and others they've had far more significant contributions from Trice, Davison, Reuvers, Pritzl, and others. Last Saturday may have been a great Happ performance, but it wasn't a great Wisconsin team performance.
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brew
You might be right, but the supporting cast really is not special. If it was, no one on here but be making comments about Badger prospects for next season in just a negative tone.
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I think that's fair, though that was also the worst performance I've seen from the Happ supporting cast outside maybe the Virginia game. Against Xavier, NC State, Oklahoma and others they've had far more significant contributions from Trice, Davison, Reuvers, Pritzl, and others. Last Saturday may have been a great Happ performance, but it wasn't a great Wisconsin team performance.
Isn't at least some of that on MU?
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brew
You might be right, but the supporting cast really is not special. If it was, no one on here but be making comments about Badger prospects for next season in just a negative tone.
Still don’t understand why you are comparing current teams to different era teams, one can only compete against current competition....right?
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brew
You might be right, but the supporting cast really is not special. If it was, no one on here but be making comments about Badger prospects for next season in just a negative tone.
There doesn't seem to be a star there, though Reuvers has the kind of high efficiency that guys like Leuer and Kaminsky flashed before they emerged on the national stage.
I think Gard has built a nice complimentary team around Happ. Losing Happ will be a big blow, losing an All American always is, but I'm not as low on Bucky's future as I was even a few months ago. I think they'll be a mini-version of their old selves under Bo, but I think he can build a competitive team that still earns tourney bids even if they don't compete for league or national titles. Their system is great at masking those deficiencies.
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WarriorDad
The Badgers are not a very good team. They have one exceptional player and nothing else. If that is a slap at MU, you are looking to argue. How are things out in LA?
Over the course of time in college basketball , it has consistently been proven that an exceptional Big Man can carry a team a long way. There are enough supplemental players with basic skills that Happ can put that UW team on his back and take it places. So while they not be a very good team in the sense they are loaded with very good players, they are still going to get the same net result as a very good player with the mix of players and style they have. I am delighted we beat them and the win will definitely work in our favor when it comes time for the committee to decide whether or not to let MU in the tournament.
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Holy crap, just realized that Trice is a 22-year old RS Sophomore vs. 19-year old Junior M. Howard.