Shaka shaken; Wojo whipped

[MU82]

Legends Classic:

Northwestern 77, Texas 58

Colorado 68, Texas 54

Those must be typos, given that Shaka Smart couldn't possibly have lost those two games.

I mean, can you imagine what Scoopers would be saying if, in a preseason tournament, Wojo's Warriors had gotten smoked by an unranked Big Ten team in the opener and then had lost the third-place game to an unranked team that was picked to finish in the middle of the pack in its league?

Wait ... we don't have to imagine it? Numerous Scoopers were declaring our season over after 4 games and saying Wojo had to go? Come on! That can't be true!

[tower912]

The heck you say.

[Galway Eagle]

Yeah but Shaka looked good losing those games

[MerrittsMustache]

Legends Classic:

Northwestern 77, Texas 58

Colorado 68, Texas 54

Those must be typos, given that Shaka Smart couldn't possibly have lost those two games.

I mean, can you imagine what Scoopers would be saying if, in a preseason tournament, Wojo's Warriors had gotten smoked by an unranked Big Ten team in the opener and then had lost the third-place game to an unranked team that was picked to finish in the middle of the pack in its league?

Wait ... we don't have to imagine it? Numerous Scoopers were declaring our season over after 4 games and saying Wojo had to go? Come on! That can't be true!

Is Shaka coming off of two underwhelming seasons? Did he consistently struggle to make adjustments when the opposition went on a run? Was his team making the same mistakes and having the same breakdowns as in years past? Is the development of his players seemingly minimal up to this point?

I'm not calling for Wojo's head in any way, shape, or form. Simply pointing out that there's more to it than losing a couple of games.

[avid1010]

was thinking the same thing.  while i'm not overly thrilled with wojo...not sure who else we could have hired and been feeling much better about at this point. 

[Goose]

MU82

Did you forget to use teal?

[avid1010]

Is Shaka coming off of two underwhelming seasons? Did he consistently struggle to make adjustments when the opposition went on a run? Was his team making the same mistakes and having the same breakdowns as in years past? Is the development of his players seemingly minimal up to this point?

I'm not calling for Wojo's head in any way, shape, or form. Simply pointing out that there's more to it than losing a couple of games.

not sure there is anything other than winning or losing...when you say there's more to it than losing a few games...you couldn't be more correct, but i don't think there is anyone on this board that understands what the "more to it" means for MU over the last few years and how wojo has done in those areas.  i'm sure there's more to it than wojo failing to make adjustments, making the same mistakes, and failing to develop players. i don't agree with you on all of that, but when i do see areas of concern, my first thought is the guy hung out at duke/usa basketball for years.  he probably has an idea on how to develop talent, we might be seeing the same mistakes as he is unwilling to compromise long term growth for short term gains, and two years of underwhelming performance is really difficult to define when looking at comparable situations in the ncaa.

[GWSwarrior]

Legends Classic:

Northwestern 77, Texas 58

Colorado 68, Texas 54

Those must be typos, given that Shaka Smart couldn't possibly have lost those two games.

I mean, can you imagine what Scoopers would be saying if, in a preseason tournament, Wojo's Warriors had gotten smoked by an unranked Big Ten team in the opener and then had lost the third-place game to an unranked team that was picked to finish in the middle of the pack in its league?

Wait ... we don't have to imagine it? Numerous Scoopers were declaring our season over after 4 games and saying Wojo had to go? Come on! That can't be true!

+1

[Spotcheck Billy]

MU82

Did you forget to use teal?

Forgot? probably not

[MU82]

MU82

Did you forget to use teal?

Moi?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Shakaned but not stirred.

[wadesworld]

Shaka now 5-5.  Can't coach a lick, ai'na?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Northwestern isn't a bad loss to be fair, I think NU may be better than MU at the moment.

Interesting to see what Texas does in Big 12 play. Down year for the conference in comparison to what it has been recently.

[wadesworld]

They have losses to Northwestern, Colorado, UT-Arlington, Michigan, and Arkansas. Their wins are Incarnate Word, Louisiana Monroe, Eastern Washington, Alabama, and Long Beach State. They might be better than us, but they certainly have worse losses and worse wins than we do.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

They have losses to Northwestern, Colorado, UT-Arlington, Michigan, and Arkansas. Their wins are Incarnate Word, Louisiana Monroe, Eastern Washington, Alabama, and Long Beach State. They might be better than us, but they certainly have worse losses and worse wins than we do.

Sorry, meant Northwestern is better than NU, not Texas. Bad phrasing/grammar.

[D'Lo Brown]

They have losses to Northwestern, Colorado, UT-Arlington, Michigan, and Arkansas. Their wins are Incarnate Word, Louisiana Monroe, Eastern Washington, Alabama, and Long Beach State. They might be better than us, but they certainly have worse losses and worse wins than we do.

Marquette got absolutely smoked by Michigan. Texas lost to Michigan in the last seconds of the game.

Texas also lost to UT-Arlington, who recently beat #12 SMC by double digits, SMC was undefeated. I don't see how any of their losses are "certainly worse", those are all quality teams.

As much as we are all homers here, I think we'd all be pretty satisfied with Shaka as the coach. He was the more qualified hire and would have brought more excitement to MU.

[Golden Avalanche]

Shaka now 5-5.  Can't coach a lick, ai'na?

Came into season ranked and expectations were of a solid group. Seems the coach has missed all the buttons to put them into a mediocre position heading into conference play.

[wadesworld]

Marquette got absolutely smoked by Michigan. Texas lost to Michigan in the last seconds of the game.

Texas also lost to UT-Arlington, who recently beat #12 SMC by double digits, SMC was undefeated. I don't see how any of their losses are "certainly worse", those are all quality teams.

As much as we are all homers here, I think we'd all be pretty satisfied with Shaka as the coach. He was the more qualified hire and would have brought more excitement to MU.

UT Arlington, Michigan, Arkansas, Colorado, and Northwesern or Pitt, Michigan, and Wisconsin...

[brewcity77]

UT Arlington, Michigan, Arkansas, Colorado, and Northwesern or Pitt, Michigan, and Wisconsin...

Georgia, Vanderbilt, Fresno State, IUPUI, or Alabama, Long Beach State...uhh, Eastern Michigan?

[wadesworld]

Georgia, Vanderbilt, Fresno State, IUPUI, or Alabama, Long Beach State...uhh, Eastern Michigan?

Exactly.

[GGGG]

I don't think the point was to say that Wojo is better than Shaka.  Just that rebuilds are hard and Shaka would have struggled here too.  He's not a magic bullet. 

[wadesworld]

Sorry, meant Northwestern is better than NU, not Texas. Bad phrasing/grammar.

Ahh that makes sense. Will be interesting to see how they do against Dayton *since we obviously already beat them*.

I don't think the point was to say that Wojo is better than Shaka.  Just that rebuilds are hard and Shaka would have struggled here too.  He's not a magic bullet. 

True.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[JD]

Shaka's wife wears the pants, for that reason alone, I'd rather have wojo.

Wojo>shaka

[wadesworld]

Shaka's wife wears the pants, for that reason alone, I'd rather have wojo.

Wojo>shaka

Good call.