Will we retire #0?

[5DollarPitcher]

I think we will and should.

[We R Final Four]

What possible reason would they (or we) not?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

lol.  Is this a real question?

[dgies9156]

Not sure we “retire” any numbers any more.

We WILL place “0” in the rafters with Markus’ name on it.

Markus should be there, along with George, Dean, Glenn, Butch, Bo, Earl, Dwyane, Al and others. Needs to happen.

Period.

[marqfan22]

No question at all!

It should be retired whenever he can make it back to campus next year. Not even a question.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

[swoopem]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

Pretty sure 11 years since he’s a 2009 grad

[BrewCity83]

Yes, of course. 

The better question might be, "How soon can we put Markus' number in the rafters?"

[oldwarrior81]

Markus has scored 2700 points over his MU career.   He has scored 1,000 more points than all except 5 Warriors in history.
Hopefully a few more will be added to the tally this month.

[wadesworld]

Markus has scored 2700 points over his MU career.   He has scored 1,000 more points than all except 5 Warriors in history.
Hopefully a few more will be added to the tally this month.

And will be a BEPOY and 2 time All American.

[🏀]

This guy thinks so.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I don’t dismiss it.

The BEPOY, to me, is the better argument than the scoring record.

[Lennys Tap]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

McNeal no. Not clear to me that he was the best player on his own team for most of his career.

Markus yes.

[JWags85]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

Well

And will be a BEPOY and 2 time All American.

That’s the difference. He has accomplishments beyond McNeal ever had, beyond just scoring.

[harryp]

Also the youngest

[mileskishnish72]

Yes.

[lawdog77]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

It's not like he broke the record by 100. He broke it by 800. PRN, if you actually believe his jersey should not ve in the rafters, that says more about.you than him

[Billy Hoyle]

I think we will and should.

Even if he never wins a title of any kind or a NCAA tourney game?

[BM1090]

Even if he never wins a title of any kind or a NCAA tourney game?

Yep. But I sure hope we win a tourney game to end this silly debate.

[Goose]

Howard is a type of player that likely will never be seen at MU again. He destroyed the record books and set marks that likely will never come close to being touched. I would have to think retiring with his number would be a done deal.
Truthfully, if on a committee discussing or voting on this, it would be hard pressed to come up with a reason not do it. IMO, it is retired regardless of success this March.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I’m not saying it shouldn’t at some point, but I don’t understand the slam dunk nature and rush to do so.

Did you know it’s likely Travis Diener would’ve surpassed George Thompson’s scoring record had he not gotten hurt toward the end of his senior year? As you know Travis was a vital cog in our run to the Final Four. Should his number be retired?

And if we are talking about record holders, how about Jim McIlvaine, whose blocked shot record is likely more insurmountable than the scoring record? Oh, he was also a massive part of a Sweet 16 team run that revived the program...as was Tony Miller, whose assist record will certainly never be broken. How about those two?

Why does Howard warrant special treatment?

Even when Wade’s number went up there were those that felt it should’ve waited until he received a degree. I may have been in that camp...if I was I was wrong...but there were people who felt that way. Even so, #3 didn’t go up right away.

By the way, for that very reason, Davidson has not retired Steph Curry’s number.

Give it a few years for chrissakes.

[Billy Hoyle]

I’m not saying it shouldn’t at some point, but I don’t understand the slam dunk nature and rush to do so.

Did you know it’s likely Travis Diener would’ve surpassed George Thompson’s scoring record had he not gotten hurt toward the end of his senior year? As you know Travis was a vital cog in our run to the Final Four. Should his number be retired?

And if we are talking about record holders, how about Jim McIlvaine, whose blocked shot record is likely more insurmountable than the scoring record? Oh, he was also a massive part of a Sweet 16 team run that revived the program...as was Tony Miller, whose assist record will certainly never be broken. How about those two?

Why does Howard warrant special treatment?

Even when Wade’s number went up there were those that felt it should’ve waited until he received a degree. I may have been in that camp...if I was I was wrong...but there were people who felt that way. Even so, #3 didn’t go up right away.

By the way, for that very reason, Davidson has not retired Steph Curry’s number.

Give it a few years for chrissakes.

With you, Travis and Tony Miller. Nobody will ever beat Tony’s assist record. Plus, conference title, 3 NCAA’s, Sweet 16 and NIT Finals, key to bringing MU hoops back from the abyss.

I also believe one must graduate before their number is raised, but with the rush to honor Wade that ship has sailed.

[harryp]

I think he has an excellent academic record also, and this counts.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

McNeal also steals leader. Btw, I am not advocating Jerel’s number be retired.

Diener 3rd career assists. McNeal 7th and Jerel was not what I’d call a willing passer

[Galway Eagle]

The difference with Jerel and Howard is Jerel was the programs all time scoring leader which is a great accomplishment. Howard is shooting up the record book with some truly all time great players in CBB history.

I'm undecided on retirement but the comparison to Jerel isn't really a good one.

[Hards Alumni]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

Seriously?

Marcus is at 2700 points (and he isn't done yet), Jerel finished at 1985.

So a top 25 all time scorer vs a guy who scored a lot.

[Hards Alumni]

The difference with Jerel and Howard is Jerel was the programs all time scoring leader which is a great accomplishment. Howard is shooting up the record book with some truly all time great players in CBB history.

I'm undecided on retirement but the comparison to Jerel isn't really a good one.

And is doing it against much better competition than some of the other guys on the list.

[Silent Verbal]

Syracuse hasn’t retired Lawrence Moten’s number.  Boston College hasn’t retired Troy Bell’s number.  And BC doesn’t exactly have a wealth of good basketball talent in their history.

I think the speed at which we retire Markus’ number will be relative to whether or not Wojo stays.  If Wojo remains at Marquette, it’ll be retired in the next year or two for program optics and reasons of general slurpiness.  If Wojo leaves, MU will retire it at some point, but may sit on it for a few years.

[BM1090]

Syracuse hasn’t retired Lawrence Moten’s number.  Boston College hasn’t retired Troy Bell’s number.  And BC doesn’t exactly have a wealth of good basketball talent in their history.

I think the speed at which we retire Markus’ number will be relative to whether or not Wojo stays.  If Wojo remains at Marquette, it’ll be retired in the next year or two for program optics and reasons of general slurpiness.  If Wojo leaves, MU will retire it at some point, but may sit on it for a few years.

Were either of those guys 2X All-Americans and conference player of the year at least once?

[MUBBau]

Syracuse hasn’t retired Lawrence Moten’s number.  Boston College hasn’t retired Troy Bell’s number.  And BC doesn’t exactly have a wealth of good basketball talent in their history.

I think the speed at which we retire Markus’ number will be relative to whether or not Wojo stays.  If Wojo remains at Marquette, it’ll be retired in the next year or two for program optics and reasons of general slurpiness.  If Wojo leaves, MU will retire it at some point, but may sit on it for a few years.

False

[Silent Verbal]

False

Is it?  I went on BC’s athletics website and he wasn’t listed under “retired men’s basketball” numbers.

[Billy Hoyle]

Is it?  I went on BC’s athletics website and he wasn’t listed under “retired men’s basketball” numbers.

It happened in January.  https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleges/2020/01/23/boston-college-men-basketball-honor-troy-bell-with-retirement-his-jersey/e6cXDaHzEoM3rSZPDYcJHI/story.html

He graduated from BC 16 years ago.

[Silent Verbal]

It happened in January.  https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/colleges/2020/01/23/boston-college-men-basketball-honor-troy-bell-with-retirement-his-jersey/e6cXDaHzEoM3rSZPDYcJHI/story.html

He graduated from BC 16 years ago.

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification.  Seems they waited a goodly while to retire it.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I would also like to clarify that I’m not anti retiring 0. I should also say I think there are a few numbers in our rafters that should not be there.

I think it should probably just be Lee, Ellis, Kojis, GT, Wade and a banner for Al. I am a huge fan of Doc Rivers but his jersey doesn’t belong up there. The others (Tatum, Meminger, Lucas) are debatable. All great! I just don’t think they rise to that level.

[Hards Alumni]

I would also like to clarify that I’m not anti retiring 0. I should also say I think there are a few numbers in our rafters that should not be there.

I think it should probably just be Lee, Ellis, Kojis, GT, Wade and a banner for Al. I am a huge fan of Doc Rivers but his jersey doesn’t belong up there. The others (Tatum, Meminger, Lucas) are debatable. All great! I just don’t think they rise to that level.

lol

[Afroman]

No. 34 should be retired for the TSmith, Mac and Diener trio.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Maybe the dumbest question ever posed on this board.  Just think about that!

[33vikes]

Yes. Team and conference scoring honors, great ambassador for MU, will graduate in May. If not him, then you shouldn't do it for anyone.
I'm fine with banner idea as opposed to "retirement" of the number.

[Jay Bee]

Why? McNeal had the scoring record for, what, 8 years? Why is his number not retired?

49.0%

(vs. 55.6%)

It's not even sort of close. Worlds apart. (Not to mention the shots that No Matta).

[4everwarriors]

Taught #0 wuz alreddy retired in hounor of Oliver Lee, hey?

[connie]

Inconceivable that his banner is not in the rafters.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

No. 34 should be retired for the TSmith, Mac and Diener trio.

Not really.

[BrewCity83]

Taught #0 wuz alreddy retired in hounor of Oliver Lee, hey?

Oliver Lee and Jamil Wilson.

[Stretchdeltsig]

This really a dumb post and should not be a question

[94Warrior]

This really a dumb post and should not be a question

+1

5DollarPitcher might be the dumbest person on the internet!