Sju spread

[Marquette4life]

MU-2.5

[tower912]

That will generate some money.

[BM1090]

I would have guessed MU -1.

Guessing that will slide down closer to even before tomorrow night.

[MuMark]

That line is incorrect......opens at a pick

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/

[Mr. Nielsen]

That line is incorrect......opens at a pick

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/

My scores & odds app also open at MU at -2.5. That Vegas link is slow at the open.

[BM1090]

https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/marquette-st-johns-odds-january-1-2019-1051088

Oddsshark indicating it opened at 2.5 but Betonline has it as even, so who knows?

[tominsalem]

SJU now laying 2.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/ncaa-basketball/

[fjm]

SJU now laying 2.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-odds/ncaa-basketball/

Whoa. 4.5 point swing?

[🏀]

Whoa. 4.5 point swing?

SJU fix is in.

[Carl]

MQ +1.5 on my site.  +110 Moneyline

[skianth16]

MQ +1.5 on my site.  +110 Moneyline

that's what I'm seeing too

[🏀]

that's what I'm seeing too

Bovada just went +2/110

[fjm]

Bovada just went +2/110

Started at MU -2.5

[muwarrior69]

SJU fix is in.

Who is in on the fix?

[MuMark]

Who is in on the fix?

Nobody.......obviously

[tower912]

New York money coming in moving the line?

[Loose Cannon]

SJU fix is in.

Make Up calls for last game.

[🏀]

Make Up calls for last game.

No doubt.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is a weird game. In a vacuum, I think Marquette should win. But when I look at the conference schedule as a whole, I think this is the 3rd or 4th hardest game on the schedule and I expect 4-6 conference losses. If we lose, we are still on track for 12-6 or better, if we win then we give ourselves some breathing room.

[vogue65]

New York money coming in moving the line?

That's why it's called the BIG EAST.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

This is a weird game. In a vacuum, I think Marquette should win. But when I look at the conference schedule as a whole, I think this is the 3rd or 4th hardest game on the schedule and I expect 4-6 conference losses. If we lose, we are still on track for 12-6 or better, if we win then we give ourselves some breathing room.

T Rank projects Marquette,  Butler, and Villanova to tie for first at 11-7.

St. John's is favored by 1.6 on T Rank for tonight.

[BM1090]

75% of money is on SJU

[Floorslapper]

Went to MU +1.5 this AM, to now MU +2. 

[vogue65]

75% of money is on SJU

So, MU should be a big underdog. 
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action.  The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game. 
We all know that.

Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca  Arena.   One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases. 

[BM1090]

So, MU should be a big underdog. 
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action.  The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game. 
We all know that.

Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca  Arena.   One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases.

Well the line has moved 4 points,  and 75% of the money is on SJU.

I am aware of how it works I was just stating a fact

[GGGG]

So, MU should be a big underdog. 
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action.  The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game. 
We all know that.

Problem is the St. Johns Long Island Alumni and the Carnessecca  Arena.   One of the most enthusiastic fan bases around, not the students they are 65% Asian and really don't care, also they are one of the most knowledgeable and sportmanslike fan bases. 

The SJU student base is not 65% Asian.

[vogue65]

The SJU student base is not 65% Asian.

Not according to my former chief, who is an adjunct professor of actuarial science, who told me the number. 

[vogue65]

Well the line has moved 4 points,  and 75% of the money is on SJU.

I am aware of how it works I was just stating a fact

A 4 point move is a step in the right direction for the book.

[spartan3186]

So, MU should be a big underdog. 
Not so, that is not how the book works, it balances the bets and makes money on the action.  The vig. and the ties....it does not want skin in the game. 
We all know that.

This is a common misconception. Books take sides ALL the time. Not every dollar is created equal. Todd Fuhrman has a fascinating blog. One of the posts talks about sharp money. If books wanted balance,  Reverse Line Movement wouldn't be a thing.

http://www.toddstake.com/2013/11/26/deconstructing-sharp-money/

[BM1090]

This is a common misconception. Books take sides ALL the time. Not every dollar is created equal. Todd Fuhrman has a fascinating blog. One of the posts talks about sharp money. If books wanted balance,  Reverse Line Movement wouldn't be a thing.

http://www.toddstake.com/2013/11/26/deconstructing-sharp-money/

Yep. Good way to make money if you can identify RLM.

[GGGG]

Not according to my former chief, who is an adjunct professor of actuarial science, who told me the number. 

Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.

https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.

https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf

Hey, he was only off by 51.3%

[vogue65]

Well he's wrong according to their published enrollment data.

https://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/files/documents/ir/fact-book/combined_fall_2017_fact_book_enrollment.pdf

Thank you for the interesting data.  Note the number of students from Queens.  Yes, probably most of those students were born in Queens.  I did not catch the number of Asians. 

In the center of their campus they have a pagoda.  We have the Joan of Arch chapel, ND has TD Jesus and the golden dome, they have a pagoda.  They knew the changing demographics 40 years ago.  The pagoda is their School of Asian Studies.  I probably should have said, Asian Americans.....

Enjoy the game, last game I saw there was with Buzz and we won in overtime.  The alumni were very informed, and fun.  Can't say the same for the Seton Hall alumni.

[vogue65]

Yep. Good way to make money if you can identify RLM.

You can't because there is no RLM.

[BM1090]

You can't because there is no RLM.

What?

[vogue65]

What?

You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about.   Remember I'm old.

[muwarrior69]

Make Up calls for last game.

So they (the refs) screwed STJ so now they have to screw MU and I thought College basketball was on the up and up. I don't believe it; they'll call the game fairly.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I did not catch the number of Asians. 

Across all campuses there are 2,920 Asian students against a total student population of 21,346 for a % of 13.679%

[Jay Bee]

Across all campuses there are 2,920 Asian students against a total student population of 21,346 for a % of 13.679%

Rounds up to 65%.

My sources show the game started as a pick em then moved to St.J -2.. (I just hopped in on MU +2... usually don't mess with MU games, but burning time before tip off)

[ilikevanderblue69]

That was so wrong. Ponds is a god. Is Marquette like the packers because they can't win on the road?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Thank you for the interesting data.  Note the number of students from Queens.  Yes, probably most of those students were born in Queens.  I did not catch the number of Asians. 

In the center of their campus they have a pagoda.  We have the Joan of Arch chapel, ND has TD Jesus and the golden dome, they have a pagoda.  They knew the changing demographics 40 years ago.  The pagoda is their School of Asian Studies.  I probably should have said, Asian Americans.....

Enjoy the game, last game I saw there was with Buzz and we won in overtime.  The alumni were very informed, and fun.  Can't say the same for the Seton Hall alumni.

Extremely bizarre fixation here.

The correct response instead: "Huh, guess I was wrong."

[vogue65]

Extremely bizarre fixation here.

The correct response instead: "Huh, guess I was wrong."

Not a fixation.  Just a Queens kid sharing a little information with his country cousins from Wisconsin.  Consider, I lived in Milwaukee for 5 + years, and worked at a Minnesota Company for 7,  I know the thought process of my midwest friends. 

You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid.

Mullin plays city ball, some call it playground ball, we play sophiscated ball, some call it prep school ball.  This time the ballers won, next time we may fair better.

I am retired, gave up analysis of data 8 years ago.  Nevertheless, in the center of St. Johns campus is a pagoda, that is not a fixation, it is a fact.  They knew the changing demographics of Flushing back in the 80's.  My closest friend is married to a Chinese doctor and they live in Flushing.  Population in 2010, 72,000, 70% Asian. 

Watching the game the other night, I could see the heavy alumni support and the few students. 

Oh, I also have been noticing how many dairy farms have been closing in Wisconsin and how many fewer cows, not a fixation, just an intetest.

[barfolomew]

Not a fixation.  Just a Queens kid sharing a little information with his country cousins from Wisconsin.  Consider, I lived in Milwaukee for 5 + years, and worked at a Minnesota Company for 7,  I know the thought process of my midwest friends. 

You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid.

Mullin plays city ball, some call it playground ball, we play sophiscated ball, some call it prep school ball.  This time the ballers won, next time we may fair better.

I am retired, gave up analysis of data 8 years ago.  Nevertheless, in the center of St. Johns campus is a pagoda, that is not a fixation, it is a fact.  They knew the changing demographics of Flushing back in the 80's.  My closest friend is married to a Chinese doctor and they live in Flushing.  Population in 2010, 72,000, 70% Asian. 

Watching the game the other night, I could see the heavy alumni support and the few students. 

Oh, I also have been noticing how many dairy farms have been closing in Wisconsin and how many fewer cows, not a fixation, just an intetest.

For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html

[Herman Cain]

For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html

Tells you everything you need to know about The Johnnie mentality.

[vogue65]

For all of you country bumpkins not familiar with this story, it's both fascinating and f*cked up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/a-quick-descent-for-cecilia-chang-dean-at-st-johns.html

What can I say? 
However, I did say, country cousins and not country bumpkins.

No direct relationship between Coach Mullin and the pagota mentality other than that they play very HARD BALL in Queens.

The effort of the Big East leadership to turn the league into some kind of intellectual basketball icon is doomed to fail.  I hope our guys learned their lesson last week. 

And just think, a few days ago some of you guys were debating giving or getting a few points.  Hope nobody lost their tuition money.

I'm not proud, in fact I feel guilty, that I took book at the Vogue, across the street from the library, and saw too many student gamblers lose their tuition money to the thugs.  The statute of limitation has long ago passed.  I was young and foolish, but there was a lesson learned. 
You never beat the book, no matter how smart you think you are.  No matter how much inside information you think you have.  No matter how sophiscated your algorithm.
Who do you think paid for Vegas?  The losers, and all gamblers are losers. As our goodfather Al  said, the only people you find in bars are losers.  And his family owned a bar in Queens.