Scholarship table
I don't know what it is about this topic that gets my goat. Geez, MU82. You and I are about the same age. Back then people were just impressed that you were going to a four year college at all! Way more kids go to UConn or the state schools like Southern or Western or UMass than go to prestigious private schools so there must be an awful lot of "lookin' down the nose at". Sure, there are wealthy folks that think that way, but those people exist everywhere. I see little evidence from your upper middle-class families on down (my social circle, which is also 90+% of the population) that there is anything like that. Maybe I'm just hanging and working with the wrong (or right) people.
Again, I hate generalizing, and I probably just heard from the wrong few people. You probably have had a much more definitive "Connecticut experience" than I did all those years ago. I haven't been a New Englander since I was 18. So, I should have listened to my mom and not said anything at all if I couldn't have said anything nice!
This turn in the thread rubs me the wrong way too. The third Connecticut Yankee needs to chime in.
Appropriate for this thread ..Since 1999 / 18 years .. Americans have 137% more auto debt. 99% more mortgage debt. 23% more credit card debt.And 828% more student loan debt. Eight-hundred-Twenty-Eight Percent !!https://www.axios.com/american-household-debt-2458678450.html
This turn in the thread rubs me the wrong way too. The third Connecticut Yankee needs to chime in. Other than my 4 years at Marquette I've lived in New England my whole life. I never hear at the top of anyone's question list "what school did you go to?" either. I'm also more likely to volunteer I went to Marquette than to be asked about it, which is a thing that bothers my wife!
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Out of curiosity... why does it bother your wife? Would it bother your wife if you had gone to Harvard and volunteered the info?
1) Why? - It happens too frequently in her opinion. 2) Yes, it would still bother her.
A new report from student loan lender Sallie Mae found that families living in the Northeast are more likely than the rest of the US to consider the quality of a university's academic program when choosing a school, rather than the price tag.Notably, families in the Northeast spend about 70% more on college than those living in the West, Midwest, and South, borrowing money and using parent contributions at a higher rate to cover the cost.The typical family in the Northeast pays $35,431 for college. That's nearly twice the average amount spent by families in the West — $19,181 — while families in the Midwest and the South pay $21,577 and $20,953, respectively.https://finance.yahoo.com/news/families-northeast-spend-70-more-141200213.htmltl;dr: People on the East Coast love the name of the school, cost be damned. Where is MUFNY when you need him?
During my GA work in Straz Hall, I did some data compilation for a brand loyalty survey that identified respondents only by age, gender, and locale... I can say from experience that the Mid-Atlantic and New England regions (essentially everything east of Ohio and north of Maryland) were the most likely to strongly identify with high-end and luxury brands and the second most likely (behind California) to align themselves with a brand because of how they may be judged externally.So in defense of the New Englanders, for many it might not be so much an inherent desire to look down their noses at other people as it is not wanting to be looked down from the noses of their peers. And from there, it turns into stereotyping when observed from the outside.
I will add this. I've heard that until recent years Milwaukee felt somewhat 'closed' for outsiders and that the influx of educated outsiders say in the last 10-15 years has helped some. I can absolutely see that. Forever I have said how every Milwaukeean should be required to live somewhere else for two years before being allowed to return home. Maybe then they won't bitch about $5 parking downtown or that Summerfest is up to a ghastly $15. Too many in MKE don't know how absolutely great they've got it.
That is a great idea. I grew up in Santa Monica and have lived in Milwaukee since Marquette (2002) and I have given up trying to answer people from Milwaukee when they ask me why I live here. Everyone one from LA that comes to visit looses their mind about how much fun they have here without traffic and $15 bud light
Honestly, I have never heard that. And I would assume that I would be hearing that about other people.
We have good friends that we served on the Parents Board with who had a daughter that came to Marquette from Orange County. It was their first experience with MKE. She graduated about 3 years ago and they still travel here regularly and constantly gush about it. We've teased them suggesting that they buy a condo. I honestly wouldn't put it past them.And you know what? That mixing of blood from the outside is healthy. Folks like that are able to tell the 'forever locals' to STFU when they complain that it takes them a whole 20 minutes to drive downtown.
There is some practical basis in this analysis. The most populous state in the Northeast, New York , has a very mediocre state university that absolutely no one aspires to( with the exception of the ag department at Cornell which is public). As such many people would rather pay up for a private university or will bite the bullet and pay up for a decent out of state public.
So when and how does that "free college" start in New York.I can see some folks moving to the state just send their kid to college regardless of how "mediocre" it is.
They are only mediocre if you are a East Coast snob. 4 of the SUNY schools are ranked in the top 100 by USNWR.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
I'm guessing Binghamton, Stony Brook, Buffalo and....who? Albany?
This discusion is about why people pay higher tuition in the Northeast. Which is what I was responding too. Absolutely no one aspires to go to a SUNY in New York. It is simply not in the mindset. I have been on school boards at top ranked public high schools and have reviewed admissions patterns for years. It is not snobbishness at all. People would rather spend their money on some school like Denison or Dickinson or Getttysburg than send their kid to Binghampton. Or alternatively they will pay out of state Tuition to go to some place like Michigan , UNC , Cal, Virginia etc. I am not saying that is always a smart decision at all. In fact it is in many cases its a lousy economic decision. I actually think a lot of the people sending their kids to private schools should send their kids to Community College first, but that is another discussion. If New York had a reasonable flagship state school like U Conn, Penn State, Pitt, Vermont, New Hampshire and other states in the Northeast then maybe things would be different in terms of the willingness to pay higher tuition. In the midwest there are so many good state schools that people are proud to go to , the case has to be made for spending the additional money for private. This whole discussion is why I am so keen on MU reverse engineering its US News ranking. There is now way in the world that MU and SUNY Binghampton are remotely in the same league academically or , college experience wise, yet they both have the same US News ranking. As far as I am concerned MU should be in the same category as Villanova with aspiration to be moving toward BC level. The guy at Northeastern is a genius who reverse engineered their rankings from 147 to 39 and they became a self full filling prophecy where kids and families are now excited to go there, and as a result they have been able to build an incredible coop program that students and employers are flocking too. A virtuous circle.
Thank God Marquette doesn't care about acceptance rate. It's a meaningless stat. If kids go elsewhere because of it, fine by me. If those kids or their parents think it is indicative of "quality," then they're idiots. And if that means that they aren't viewed favorably in the northeast. Oh well...