2024 NFL Offseason and Draft Thread

[Herman Cain]

I'm curious how much roster control Belichick is requesting.

Too much, to get hired so far in this cycle

[Herman Cain]

https://sports.yahoo.com/as-falcons-pass-on-bill-belichick-its-clear-what-is-shutting-him-out-of-this-nfl-head-coaching-hiring-cycle-012324964.html

[Herman Cain]

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/25/trevor-lawrence-jaguars-contract-extension-deal-trent-baalke/

[Herman Cain]

Pro Football writers name Baker Mayfield  Most Improved Player

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/baker-mayfield-2023-nfl-most-improved-player-of-the-year-pfwa#

[Pakuni]

Apparently, teams in the NFL saw Brady as the GOAT - not Belichick.

Eh ... Belichick wanted full control over football ops and Blank didn't want to give it to him. Really didn't have anything to do with Belichick's coaching acumen.

[Jockey]

Eh ... Belichick wanted full control over football ops and Blank didn't want to give it to him. Really didn't have anything to do with Belichick's coaching acumen.

I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.

There’s plenty more evidence to suggest he’s a great coach.

[Pakuni]

I think there is plenty of evidence that BB would have never won a SB without Brady.

What's the evidence?

How many Super Bowls did Jimmy Johnson win without Aikman? Walsh without Montana? Reid without Mahomes? Noll without Bradshaw (and a half-dozen other HOFers)? Shanahan without Elway?

[tower912]

Didn't Walsh win with Young?

[Pakuni]

Didn't Walsh win with Young?

No, that was 1994 with George Seifert. Walsh retired five years earlier.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Didn't Walsh win with Young?

Pretty sure that was Siefert.

[MU82]

Didn't Walsh win with Young?

No sir. Seifert was the coach for Montana's last Super Bowl win and Young's only Super Bowl win.

[tower912]

Memory fades.  Acknowledged.

[WhiteTrash]

There’s plenty more evidence to suggest he’s a great coach.

Without a doubt. Plus he was, for a period of time, the best GM in the NFL. He had a great feel for when guys were losing ability and move on from them and he drafted well in later rounds.

I don't like Bill or the Patriots, so I don't take joy in admitting that, but you have to respect what he did.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Without a doubt. Plus he was, for a period of time, the best GM in the NFL. He had a great feel for when guys were losing ability and move on from them and he drafted well in later rounds.

I don't like Bill or the Patriots, so I don't take joy in admitting that, but you have to respect what he did.

Was he the best GM? Or did the front office grow inbred, like the coaching staff, by only promoting from within.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-patriots-front-office-brain-drain-has-impacted-bill-belichicks-rosters

[Pakuni]

Which team is going to spend $90 million for two years of Kirk Cousins?
Atlanta, maybe? They could probably sell themselves on the idea that they're a decent QB away from the playoffs, especially in that division. Denver won't have the cap space. Vegas seems more likely to draft someone or run it back with O'Connell than risk Jimmy G Part II. New England is in a rebuild. Steelers don't seem likely to have the cap.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/report-kirk-cousins-asking-price-will-be-too-much-vikings

[Herman Cain]

Which team is going to spend $90 million for two years of Kirk Cousins?
Atlanta, maybe? They could probably sell themselves on the idea that they're a decent QB away from the playoffs, especially in that division. Denver won't have the cap space. Vegas seems more likely to draft someone or run it back with O'Connell than risk Jimmy G Part II. New England is in a rebuild. Steelers don't seem likely to have the cap.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/report-kirk-cousins-asking-price-will-be-too-much-vikings

I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.

[Jockey]

I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.

Whose perception?

[WhiteTrash]

I think a lot of teams will bid on Kirk Cousins services. Perception is he is good enough to get a team into The Playoffs.

I don't think "a lot of teams" will bid at $45M a year.

[JWags85]

Was he the best GM? Or did the front office grow inbred, like the coaching staff, by only promoting from within.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/how-patriots-front-office-brain-drain-has-impacted-bill-belichicks-rosters

I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme.  Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.

That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it.  Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with.  And that caused the empire to crumble.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme.  Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.

That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it.  Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with.  And that caused the empire to crumble.

I've seen this in organizations outside football. Longtime leaders prefer people in roles they know they will get along with rather than newer people with outside ideas.

I have no doubt that NFL front offices are wary of hiring him due to this. They know way more than the general public or what is being reported.

[Jockey]

I don't think he was the best pure GM, but I think he was the absolute best at being a GM who perfectly filled his rosters/scheme.  Obviously that harmony is a lot easier when your GM/coach are on the same page...cause they are the same person.

That being said, he is/was a cautionary tale of what can happen to even the best to do it.  Both the FO and coaching staff got polluted by nepotism and inbred hiring, largely because BB, IMO, thought he was so great and smart that his staff could just be whoever he liked/felt comfortable with.  And that caused the empire to crumble.

I think you are spot on. It happens in every sport. A wise man once said it is better to get rid of a player one year too soon than one year too late. But I guess it is understandable since the team sinks a lot of $$$$ developing a player, so they are reluctant to get rid of him.

[tower912]

Ben Johnson staying in Detroit.

[Uncle Rico]

Ben Johnson staying in Detroit.

Good start to the off-season for Detroit

[tower912]

Just another Campbell enabler.