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Author Topic: 2024 NFL Offseason and Draft Thread  (Read 95760 times)

MuggsyB

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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #150 on: September 07, 2023, 10:18:15 PM »
Why did KC go for it on 4th and 25 with three time outs?
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #151 on: September 07, 2023, 10:21:15 PM »
The Chiefs receiving box score is something tonight.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #152 on: September 07, 2023, 10:23:16 PM »
Needed Kelsey, not Toney.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2023, 10:23:56 PM »
Some really weird fourth down decisions on both sides tonight.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #154 on: September 07, 2023, 10:24:00 PM »
The NFC North has been decided.

Chicago, Green Bay, and Minneapolis are all playing for a Wild Card.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #155 on: September 07, 2023, 10:24:16 PM »
Impressive win by the Lions. Congrats to them and their fans.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #156 on: September 07, 2023, 10:27:09 PM »
That game felt like if Nagy had Mahomes in Chicago.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #157 on: September 07, 2023, 10:46:58 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on September 07, 2023, 10:23:56 PM
Some really weird fourth down decisions on both sides tonight.

Agree, although I loved Campbell's decision to go on 4th-and-2 with about 3 minutes left. You punt the ball to Mahomes with a 1-point lead and that much time on the clock, you're asking for trouble. Instead, you try to win the game by making 2 yards.

That the Lions failed to make the first down but then stopped Mahomes anyway ... outstanding for them.

Kinda related (and others have mentioned it, too) ...

It is unfathomable how many passes KC receivers dropped in this game, including one that literally gifted a TD to Detroit.

It wasn't the best any of us have seen Mahomes play, but he did more than enough to win that game without even needing heroics at the end. But Toney and the rest of Edward Bobblehands crew denied him. Saying KC missed Kelce is the understatement of the year.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #158 on: September 07, 2023, 10:54:21 PM »
Quote from: MU82 on September 07, 2023, 10:46:58 PM
Agree, although I loved Campbell's decision to go on 4th-and-2 with about 3 minutes left. You punt the ball to Mahomes with a 1-point lead and that much time on the clock, you're asking for trouble. Instead, you try to win the game by making 2 yards.

Chefs still had three timeouts and the two-minute warning, so a first down doesn't win the game there.
I don't think the risk-reward was worth it. Not converting basically put the Chefs within 20 yards of a GW field goal. Punt and make them go another 40.
Fortunately for the Lions, Mahomes" receivers don't like catching the ball.

Reid's decision to go on 4th and 20+ was even worse, given that they still had three timeouts.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #159 on: September 07, 2023, 11:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Pakuni on September 07, 2023, 10:54:21 PM
Chefs still had three timeouts and the two-minute warning, so a first down doesn't win the game there.
I don't think the risk-reward was worth it. Not converting basically put the Chefs within 20 yards of a GW field goal. Punt and make them go another 40.
Fortunately for the Lions, Mahomes" receivers don't like catching the ball.

Reid's decision to go on 4th and 20+ was even worse, given that they still had three timeouts.

No a first down doesn't win the game so I misspoke there, but you make a first down and KC has to burn all 3 time-outs. And if you make a second one, the game's over. Mahomes usually can go 40 yards in his sleep, but I definitely get where you're coming from. I'm certainly not saying it was a slam-dunk call, just one I liked.

Totally agree about Reid going for it on 4th-and-20 (and 4th-and-25). That's basically a Hail Mary, and it wasn't necessary there.

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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #160 on: September 08, 2023, 12:05:53 AM »
Big win for Lions

But KC basically handed them that game. Could not have possibly been worse.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #161 on: September 08, 2023, 05:42:39 AM »
The gimmick play on third and 1when they had been moving the ball changed the game.   Reid is an offensive genius, but that was the time to trust the offensive line.
But, hey, thanks!    A nice win.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #162 on: September 08, 2023, 06:59:38 AM »
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2023, 07:17:44 AM »
Quote from: tower912 on September 08, 2023, 05:42:39 AM
The gimmick play on third and 1when they had been moving the ball changed the game.   Reid is an offensive genius, but that was the time to trust the offensive line.
But, hey, thanks!    A nice win.

That had Matt Nagy written all over it. He loves sweep plays that don’t work
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2023, 07:23:25 AM »
Quote from: swoopem on September 08, 2023, 07:17:44 AM
That had Matt Nagy written all over it. He loves sweep plays that don’t work

Exactly. Matt thinks he's smarter than the league when in fact he is a box of rocks.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2023, 02:34:43 PM by Dr. Blackheart »
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #165 on: September 08, 2023, 12:54:15 PM »
Sneak the ball with the 250 lb tight end behind the jumbo package or let the best quarterback in the game make a play.
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« Reply #166 on: September 08, 2023, 03:09:48 PM »
Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC?  Goff?  Dak?  Geno?  Daniel Jones?  Cousins?  Bagent?  (Sorry, had to)

And who's the third best team?  Cowboys?  Giants?  Lions?

Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #167 on: September 08, 2023, 03:14:05 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC?  Goff?  Dak?  Geno?  Daniel Jones?  Cousins?  Bagent?  (Sorry, had to)

And who's the third best team?  Cowboys?  Giants?  Lions?

Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.

And who is the 5th best WR?...I'm not sure the jury is clear on who the best NFC QB is, or who are the top 2 teams, nonetheless other who is 3rd etc.
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« Reply #168 on: September 08, 2023, 03:16:10 PM »
Quote from: forgetful on September 08, 2023, 03:14:05 PM
And who is the 5th best WR?...I'm not sure the jury is clear on who the best NFC QB is, or who are the top 2 teams, nonetheless other who is 3rd etc.

I think Hurts is pretty significantly better than anyone else.  And I think the Eagles are the best team with a decent gap between them and the 49ers.  I think the 9ers are definitely the second best, but with their QB play you never know.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #169 on: September 08, 2023, 03:19:17 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Who's the second best quarterback in the NFC?  Goff?  Dak?  Geno?  Daniel Jones?  Cousins?  Bagent?  (Sorry, had to)

And who's the third best team?  Cowboys?  Giants?  Lions?

Feels like the NFL is more unbalanced than what the NBA used to be between the Eastern and Western Conferences.

One game has been played.   None of those questions have a definitively right answer at the moment.

As far as AFC vs NFC, you may be right, but these things are cyclical.   Wait a couple of years.
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« Reply #170 on: September 08, 2023, 03:27:16 PM »
Quote from: tower912 on September 08, 2023, 03:19:17 PM
One game has been played.   None of those questions have a definitively right answer at the moment.

As far as AFC vs NFC, you may be right, but these things are cyclical.   Wait a couple of years.

I realize that.  Projecting ahead for this season.
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Re: 2023-24 NFL Thread
« Reply #171 on: September 08, 2023, 03:39:04 PM »
Quote from: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2023, 10:27:09 PM
That game felt like if Nagy had Mahomes in Chicago.
Nagy was in Chicago?

Due to my human instinct for emotional well being, Lovie and Ditka were the last two coaches I remember. 
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« Reply #172 on: September 08, 2023, 05:13:59 PM »
Marc Trestman is just a toll booth attendant to me
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« Reply #173 on: September 08, 2023, 07:19:59 PM »
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« Reply #174 on: September 08, 2023, 08:48:17 PM »
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2023, 03:16:10 PM
I think Hurts is pretty significantly better than anyone else.  And I think the Eagles are the best team with a decent gap between them and the 49ers.  I think the 9ers are definitely the second best, but with their QB play you never know.

I'm notoriously bad at predicting anything about NFL leaders, so my opinion is worth pretty much nothing. But I'm not as high on Hurts right now.

Also, I'm expecting the 49ers at the very least (and maybe Philly) to take serious steps backwards. I'm not sold on the 49ers as the 2nd best team at all. I'd put Philly up there though.
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