Markus

[brewcity77]

Interesting to note that the only senior on the first, second or third team is Happ.

I wonder how many are back. Donation
Winston, Howard, Guy? Anyone else?

[martyconlonontherun]

To me, I always think if you are not going to get drafted get your degree.  A guy like Markus would have a great chance at coaching and there are going to be positions that require the college degree.  Maximize your options.  Going back to school and paying for it later is a pain in the neck.  He'll only be 21 if he stays another year anyway.  If you think you are going to get drafted in the second round it is a tougher choice and either option would be reasonable.  If you are going to be a first round choice, unless you REALLY love college, go.  If you are a lottery pick, if you REALLY love college, go anyway.

Are you talking about getting a degree for a coaching position or for a real job? If you were talking about a real job, I would agree it is hard to go back and get a degree with a major/school you are proud to show off. But it sounds like you are talking about coaching and I assume Howard is 30 credits or less away from graduating. I'm sure he could transfer credits and take some online classes to finish up the degree. If a big-time school wants him, a degree won't hold him back. He's a smart kid and could get it.

[martyconlonontherun]

Completely disagree. 

He can get a lot better.  Look no further than Markus' good friend and roommate at the Chris Paul basketball camp Ja Morant.

If Markus wants to be a PG, he can work on getting strong, faster, a better distributor of the basketball. In short lots of things he can do to improve.

As much as NBA scouting is portrayed as a highly technical science ... a postseason run matters a lot if you want to get drafted.

Just Ask Donte DiVincenzo, you think he would still have been the 17th pick in the draft if Nova bombed out in the second round last year?  Every player has a run of three or four really good games in a year.  Instead of having it January, Donte picked the NCAA tourney and shining in the National Championship game.  His reward is millions from the Bucks to sit on the bench.

So here's how Markus gets drafted in the first round next year.  Average 31 in next year's NCAA and drop 40 to get MU in the FF.

I think you are really underrating DDV. He may not have been the 17th pick, but DDV has NBA size and athleticism (42 inch vertical).  He is "sitting" on the bench due to injury. He started the season in the best NBA's team rotation before the injury set in. You don't get that given to you because of a good tourney run.

Ja Morant also doubled his PPG and didn't prove anything last year. MH has proven everything but a few tourney wins. I don't think a few tourney wins will make NBA scouts over look his defense and flaws.
 

[onepost]

MH has proven everything but a few tourney wins. I don't think a few tourney wins will make NBA scouts over look his defense and flaws.

NO. HE. HASN'T.  How is this so hard for some of you to comprehend?
If Markus has any hope at a long-term career in the NBA, it will be as a PG.  On that front, he has a LONG way to go.

[Jockey]

GoooooMarquette has had a really tough showing in this thread.

I didn't mean my post as a criticism. Goo is a good poster here.

[Marcus92]

Markus is the 10th player in the 100+ year history of Marquette men's basketball to be named a First, Second or Third Team All-American by the AP. Pretty good company:

Dean Meminger (1st team, 1971)
Jim Chones (1st team, 1972)
Butch Lee (1st team, 1978; 2nd team, 1977)
Dwyane Wade (1st team, 2003)
Earl Tatum (2nd team, 1976; 3rd team, 1975)
Jerel McNeal (2nd team, 2009)
Jae Crowder (2nd team, 2012)
Bo Ellis (3rd team, 1977)
Sam Worthen (3rd team, 1980)

FYI, the AP began naming its team selections in 1948.

[GooooMarquette]

Not much of a sense of humor? I don’t know how to be more obvious when making a joke.

James Breeding was officiating my response....

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Markus is the 10th player in the 100+ year history of Marquette men's basketball to be named a First, Second or Third Team All-American by the AP. Pretty good company:

Dean Meminger (1st team, 1971)
Jim Chones (1st team, 1972)
Butch Lee (1st team, 1978; 2nd team, 1977)
Dwyane Wade (1st team, 2003)
Earl Tatum (2nd team, 1976; 3rd team, 1975)
Jerel McNeal (2nd team, 2009)
Jae Crowder (2nd team, 2012)
Bo Ellis (3rd team, 1977)
Sam Worthen (3rd team, 1980)

FYI, the AP began naming its team selections in 1948.

bUt He'S nOt A pOiNt GuArD!!!!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Markus is the 10th player in the 100+ year history of Marquette men's basketball to be named a First, Second or Third Team All-American by the AP. Pretty good company:

Dean Meminger (1st team, 1971)
Jim Chones (1st team, 1972)
Butch Lee (1st team, 1978; 2nd team, 1977)
Dwyane Wade (1st team, 2003)
Earl Tatum (2nd team, 1976; 3rd team, 1975)
Jerel McNeal (2nd team, 2009)
Jae Crowder (2nd team, 2012)
Bo Ellis (3rd team, 1977)
Sam Worthen (3rd team, 1980)

FYI, the AP began naming its team selections in 1948.

If he comes back, he likely becomes the third player to do it twice

[GooooMarquette]

I didn't mean my post as a criticism. Goo is a good poster here.

It's all good.

And congrats to Markus!!

[Herman Cain]

Markus is the 10th player in the 100+ year history of Marquette men's basketball to be named a First, Second or Third Team All-American by the AP. Pretty good company:

Dean Meminger (1st team, 1971)
Jim Chones (1st team, 1972)
Butch Lee (1st team, 1978; 2nd team, 1977)
Dwyane Wade (1st team, 2003)
Earl Tatum (2nd team, 1976; 3rd team, 1975)
Jerel McNeal (2nd team, 2009)
Jae Crowder (2nd team, 2012)
Bo Ellis (3rd team, 1977)
Sam Worthen (3rd team, 1980)

FYI, the AP began naming its team selections in 1948.

One notable player was not on that list. His obituary tells the story.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-nov-02-la-me-maurice-lucas-20101102-story.html

[Loose Cannon]

NO. HE. HASN'T.  How is this so hard for some of you to comprehend?
If Markus has any hope at a long-term career in the NBA, it will be as a PG.  On that front, he has a LONG way to go.

I agree and a nice start would be cutting down those 134 TO's from last year.

[Goose]

Herman

Luke was a very good man. Thanks for sharing.

[willie warrior]

Markus is the 10th player in the 100+ year history of Marquette men's basketball to be named a First, Second or Third Team All-American by the AP. Pretty good company:

Dean Meminger (1st team, 1971)
Jim Chones (1st team, 1972)
Butch Lee (1st team, 1978; 2nd team, 1977)
Dwyane Wade (1st team, 2003)
Earl Tatum (2nd team, 1976; 3rd team, 1975)
Jerel McNeal (2nd team, 2009)
Jae Crowder (2nd team, 2012)
Bo Ellis (3rd team, 1977)
Sam Worthen (3rd team, 1980)

FYI, the AP began naming its team selections in 1948.

Man. Reading that list brings back a lot of memories
And Sam Worthen, there was a wizard.

[GooooMarquette]

Man. Reading that list brings back a lot of memories
And Sam Worthen, there was a wizard.

Ball on a string....

[Marcus92]

It's also a reminder of just how much talent MU landed in those days: 8 consensus AP All-Americans between 1971 and 1980. Pretty amazing.

[Galway Eagle]

I'm surprised neither Kojis or Rand were All Americans. Did they only do 1 team back then?

[MU82]

Da only similarity shared by Kemba and Markus is der first names begin wit "M," aina?

No'a. Both All-Americans. Both among nation's leading scorers.

[Aircraftcarrier]

Who is the only first team AP All American at Marquette whose jersey is not retired?Wake up Marquette.Inexcusable!!!

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Who is the only first team AP All American at Marquette whose jersey is not retired?Wake up Marquette.Inexcusable!!!

Especially they got rid of the “get your degree” requirement with Rivers and Wade.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Especially they got rid of the “get your degree” requirement with Rivers and Wade.

He has his degree.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-05-24-9905240024-story.html

[Herman Cain]

I'm surprised neither Kojis or Rand were All Americans. Did they only do 1 team back then?

Kojis was honorable mention. He unfortunately came along at a time as several of the all time greats . Jerry West , Oscar Robertson , Jerry Lucas , Dave Debusschure etc. Rand was also AP honorable mention and made some All America teams

[GooooMarquette]

I am surprised Lloyd Walton is not on that list, and that Bo only made 3rd team. Both may have been slighted by having too many other good players around them.

[Herman Cain]

I am surprised Lloyd Walton is not on that list, and that Bo only made 3rd team. Both may have been slighted by having too many other good players around them.

One thing to remember is back in the pre internt pre cable era, a lot of the All Americans were a function of the Sports Information Directors and Journalism schools. Same goes true for some of the real turkeys that were named Heisman Trophy winners. Case in point Jim Brown never won Heisman trophy.

[Nukem2]

Kojis was honorable mention. He unfortunately came along at a time as several of the all time greats . Jerry West , Oscar Robertson , Jerry Lucas , Dave Debusschure etc. Rand was also AP honorable mention and made some All America teams

All those guys were in the 60s after Kojis, other than West