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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: CrackedSidewalks on June 22, 2016, 08:00:02 PM
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The night before the NBA Draft - where does Ellenson go?
The NBA will conduct its annual draft tomorrow as 60 players from around the world will be selected for an opportunity to play in the NBA. Marquette's Henry Ellenson is a sure fire first round pick, but whether he is a sure fire lottery pick now has some experts uncertain. Last month we interviewed Jonathan Givony, founder of DraftExpress, for his predictions. Since that meeting, DraftExpress has had Ellenson move up a bit, but recently slipping all the way to number 18. They caution that the prediction ultimately could change based on a number of unknown variables, a trade, a team misses out on a "must have" player, a last minute piece of information that causes a player's stock to drop as we saw in the NFL draft this year. Ellenson could go as high as 9 per the site.
Other publications have Ellenson also in the 7 to 21 range. Several believe he will land locally with the Milwaukee Bucks and continue his presence in Cream City. Regardless of where he is drafted, tomorrow night will be one of the most important days in his life and mark another draft choice from the Marquette basketball program.
Henry Ellenson NBA Draft Mock predictions
Sports Cheat Sheet pick 7 - Denver Nuggets
Forbes pick 8 - Sacramento Kings
CBS pick 9 - Toronto Raptors
WalterFootball pick 9 - Toronto Raptors
Dick Vitale pick 9 - Toronto Raptors
NBA.com pick 10 - Milwaukee Bucks
Fox Sports pick 10 - Milwaukee Bucks
Draftsite pick 11 - Orlando Magic
Bleacher Report pick 12 - Utah Jazz
MyNBADraft pick 12 - Utah Jazz
Chad Ford pick 13 - Phoenix Suns
SB Nation pick 13 - Phoenix Suns
NBADraft.net pick 16 - Boston Celtics
Hoops Hype pick 16 - Boston Celtics
Draft Express pick 18 - Detroit Pistons
Washington Post pick 21 - Atlanta Hawks
Source: The night before the NBA Draft - where does Ellenson go? (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2016/06/the-night-before-nba-draft-where-does.html)
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Another couple predictions based on statistical analysis by members of the APRB (Association for Professional Basketball Research).
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-APBR-NBA-Draft-Statistical-Modeling-Showcase-5600/
One has Henry going 3rd (!), the other 17th. They both agree on Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Poeltl, and Murray as Top 10 picks. But they vary wildly on many others, including: Marquese Chris (32nd and 14th), Buddy Hield (44th and 6th), Skal Labissiere (30th and 16th), Denzel Valentine (28th and 10th), Taurean Prince (34th and 11th), Dejounte Murray (4th and 25th) and Domantas Sabonis (43rd and 8th).
I'll be glad when it's all done and we can finally stop reading about the dozens of mock drafts and projections. (Then it'll be on to the 2017 NBA draft.)
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So.......HE could go as high as 3..........OR he might slip to as low as 21. But, any and all movements can be pre-explained by team needs, trades, team roster movements. Awesome.
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So.......HE could go as high as 3..........OR he might slip to as low as 21. But, any and all movements can be pre-explained by team needs, trades, team roster movements. Awesome.
If anything, the differences between the mock drafts may indicate the differences in how NBA teams evaluate talent. It's not as though all scouts and GMs all see the exact same things in a player.
The general consensus I've seen is the talent at the top isn't as strong at the top as some drafts — i.e. Simmons and Ingram aren't at the same level as players like Lebron or Durant. But overall it's a relatively deep draft, with more talent throughout.
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FWIW (probably not much), the Charlotte NBA guy is predicting Hankster 10th to the Does.
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My source* says he loves college and his brother, and is staying four years.
*my source lives in New York.
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My source* says he loves college and his brother, and is staying four years.
*my source lives in New York.
+1. Then he'll spend a bunch of time getting paid as a top 10 pick to go to the D League.
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Deceptive headline....I thought this article was going to be about Henry's pre-draft nightclub itinerary.
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Deceptive headline....I thought this article was going to be about Henry's pre-draft nightclub itinerary.
I'd guess a pancake house. Henry seems like a flapjack kind of guy.
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Deceptive headline....I thought this article was going to be about Henry's pre-draft nightclub itinerary.
Well we'll know the answer if he meets up with Miles Plumlee while in the NYC/NJ area.
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So.......HE could go as high as 3..........OR he might slip to as low as 21. But, any and all movements can be pre-explained by team needs, trades, team roster movements. Awesome.
Sounds a lot like the cristal bowel, ainnna? Gathers a lot of website hits for the folks who through up mocks... past that? Ehhh
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Seems like a safe O/U is 10.5
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Sounds a lot like the cristal bowel, ainnna? Gathers a lot of website hits for the folks who through up mocks... past that? Ehhh
It does sound like Crystal Ball. I now have a general idea of where I can expect Henry to be drafted. He's not for sure going #10 but I know not to expect him to go #1 or undrafted. Just like crystal ball can tell me what schools are pursuing a certain recruit. Markus Howard wasn't for sure going to Marquette but I knew we were in play and many other schools weren't.
Both are fine as long as you don't treat them as gospel.
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I'm predicting he ends up in Toronto.
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Seems like a safe O/U is 10.5
I'll take the under. I think the Bucks like him and will take him at 10 if he's not snapped up earlier.
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I'll take the under. I think the Bucks like him and will take him at 10 if he's not snapped up earlier.
+1
I'd he surprided to see him slide past 9, and even more surprised to see him slide past 10
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Sounds a lot like the cristal bowel, ainnna? Gathers a lot of website hits for the folks who through up mocks... past that? Ehhh
You're as bad with the crystal ball as Chicos is when someone mentions Crean.
Mock drafts are fun and provide some context. Nothing wrong with that.
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If Henry slips out of the lottery he will be taken right away
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It does sound like Crystal Ball. I now have a general idea of where I can expect Henry to be drafted. He's not for sure going #10 but I know not to expect him to go #1 or undrafted. Just like crystal ball can tell me what schools are pursuing a certain recruit. Markus Howard wasn't for sure going to Marquette but I knew we were in play and many other schools weren't.
Both are fine as long as you don't treat them as gospel.
The cristal bowel sometimes tells you what schools are pursuing a certain recruit.. often times, that marketing toy does not. [for a recent, near home example, see Kostas this week]
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The cristal bowel sometimes tells you what schools are pursuing a certain recruit.. often times, that marketing toy does not. [for a recent, near home example, see Kostas this week]
The Kostas situation, to be fair here, is a rather unusual one. The CB generally has the major players listed, FBOW. CB is obviously often not very accurate, but it does usually have the schools involved in the recruitment. Just another tool for recruitniks.
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When considering Crystal Ball, the most important usage related to Scoop is verification of life. If anyone is concerned about Jay Bee's health, all they need to do is post the words "Crystal Ball says" and he will respond within an hour.
If Jay Bee's response does not include the "Cristal Bowel" spelling, call 911 and inform them he may be suffering from stroke or diabetic symptoms. If he does not respond at all within an hour, warn responders that he is likely dead.
Consider it to be the Scoop version of a health and welfare check.
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The cristal bowel sometimes tells you what schools are pursuing a certain recruit.. often times, that marketing toy does not. [for a recent, near home example, see Kostas this week]
Well yeah. Just like some mock drafts had Deyonta Davis going top 10 and he ended up second round. Sometimes they are completely off, and that's ok. Sometimes good hard analysis is off too. As long as you know what it is and don't treat it like more than it is, its fine.