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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUBigDance on March 17, 2017, 11:10:10 PM
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What do y'all think. Made the tourney? Some nice moments? Talent for the future?
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A minus. Good season.
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A Offense
D+ Defense.
The excellent offense got MU to exceed expectations, though. I'd figured we were NIT bound this year, RPI in the 80s.
Tough to predict next year. One would expect some progress, like improving RPI by 20 points, but .. we're losing a lot of solid talent .. freshmen are always a gamble to count on ..
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Knit must not have voted yet, eh?
No F, yet
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I gave a C final grade.
With the bubble so soft, MU did about what should have been expected.
Offense would get an A-
Defense gets an F
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B+ but going out like that. Sweet Christ.
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I gave it a B+, but the defense needs improvement.
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Gave them a C+ three games ago and now a C. Not angry about last two losses, but really shows how much work is left to be done. Coaching needs to improve, talent level improve and major need for athletic players.
IMO there is a lot more work needed to be done than most on here believe. Watching games the last two days and it is quite obvious to me that we are not in same league as many of the tourney teams.
Hate the fact that I still care so much that I will be up for two hours stewing over the overall place our program is at in big picture.
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B+
Expectation was bubble team, but NIT would've been progress. Making the tourney takes it from B- to B, and the Nova win (biggest we've had since 2003) kicks it up a notch.
Honestly, the Nova win alone, the atmosphere that game created and the energy downtown that night, that was a passing grade for the season. It was that big.
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I voted a B. I wasn't expecting a tourney run to start the year but thought it was possible. Our defense was atrocious but I am happy to see that Wojo is starting to create an identity with this team. That's my biggest takeaway and I'm happy to see that Wojo appears to have a vision for how his teams will play. I just hope to God that he can get even a servicable defense implemented because we can be really fun in the near future if that happens.
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Voted B+ as well only because I expected average at best, especially after losing Henry and playing younger guys. And the way we fought back to even make the tournament was worthwhile. I was pretty convinced for a while we were a bubble team destined for the NIT. Think what the guys accomplished without a bruiser big man, small guards, and a streaky shooting team was surprising.
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I'd give it a b+. Made the tourny with a good first half. I had fun at Jackson's behind some older people. So it was fun
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C because in almost half the games the Defense never really got better or stayed better.
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B. Preseason I picked them in the last four in. They ended up with a 10 seed. And I actually think they were underseeded based on advanced metrics. Also, picked them 7th in the BEast and they got 4th. Hence, the B. Better than expected but plenty of room for improvement.
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Reflecting on the season, I would have to say the sum was greater than the individual parts. In short, Coach Wojo got a lot out of a rather flawed team.
But, having the whole be better than its parts required the whole to work. When the whole team
did not function as planned it was beaten down.
The team was sort of like a watch. As long as all the parts are meshing together, it works. However, if one part stopped working, the watch goes haywire.
Coach Wojo got everything he could out of this team. This augers well for the future.
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I really struggle here because I thought NIT this year and they made the tourney. So from that standpoint a B+.
I would like to believe the advanced analytics, but the formula is broken for this team. Luck is the unexplained other in a regression formula and time and time again we proved the formula doesn't fit unless we are unconscious from three.
We still need a massive influx of length & athleticism and someone who can get the kids playing team defense on the bench. Hoping we make some nice adjustments and build from here. Last night was no disaster.
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I gave it a B+, but the defense needs improvement.
Wait, don't tell me your wife's name is warriorbabe? :D
Progress not perfection.
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Grade depends on context, in the annals of MU hoops history Id give them a B.
Relative to the talent level of this years team, no 4, and the fact that our talent is so young and the fact that they overcame all this to scrape out an NCAa birth i give them an A
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B+ Wojo was able to take a flawed, small, skinny, slow roster, play a brand of basketball that isn't his ideal vision, and get to the tourney.
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I gave them a B, I like what I saw this year from Wojo. We all agree we need a couple of bangers to shore up our D, and give us a more physical team. But all in all this team exceeded my expectations and I can't wait for next year.
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B- as the defense offset a really good offense.
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B+? B-? What is this?
We are Marquette.
I give this team a BC
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B-
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A couple of big holes to fill yet. Incomplete but trending toward the Big East bodies needed. However, let's not heap too many high expectations for a primarily freshman and sophomore team as of now. Sacar is vastly improved and is a forgotten piece.
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in general a fun team to watch, especially against finesse teams like Vanderbilt or Creighton. But let's not kid ourselves. We were healthy all year. We played Xavier once without Bluiett and Sumner, once without Sumner. We played Creighton twice without Watson. We went 4-0 in those games. I know, I know - we still had to win those games, injuries are part of the game, etc., but in assessing progress I assume a luck neutral even playing field - and with one, we're no better than an 8-10 Big East team who watches the big tournament on TV. A- for offense, D for defense, C+ overall.
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Our defense needs to really get better next season. The defense looked non existent at some times throughout the season
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B+? B-? What is this?
We are Marquette.
I give this team a BC
LOL
I went to MU in the early 80s and kinda assumed that bizarre grading system was a relic by now...but just looked it up and see that they're still using it. I'm changing my vote from B+ to AB.
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For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could grade this season above a C. I wouldn't want to be a boss for most of the people on this forum if our sights are set so low.
We barely made the tournament and flamed out in epic fashion in both BE tournament and big dance. We spend more than nearly every team in the country, have top notch facilities, and a great area from which to recruit.
Our expectations and results should be much higher. I think that's part of the problem. Half the stakeholders in this team thought getting into the tournament is good enough...
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For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could grade this season above a C. I wouldn't want to be a boss for most of the people on this forum if our sights are set so low.
We barely made the tournament and flamed out in epic fashion in both BE tournament and big dance. We spend more than nearly every team in the country, have top notch facilities, and a great area from which to recruit.
Our expectations and results should be much higher. I think that's part of the problem. Half the stakeholders in this team thought getting into the tournament is good enough...
Don't worry you are not the boss.
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All things considered, a B.
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For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could grade this season above a C. I wouldn't want to be a boss for most of the people on this forum if our sights are set so low.
We barely made the tournament and flamed out in epic fashion in both BE tournament and big dance. We spend more than nearly every team in the country, have top notch facilities, and a great area from which to recruit.
Our expectations and results should be much higher. I think that's part of the problem. Half the stakeholders in this team thought getting into the tournament is good enough...
And most wouldn't want you for a boss, so that's good, there is common ground.
From my perspective, 11 months ago, when Heisy/DPR was panicking again, I predicted that MU would be better this year and a fringe NCAA team. In my preseason predictions, I predicted problems with the pick and roll defense. I predicted that defensive rebounding deficiencies would cost MU 4 games and would be the difference between 18 wins and 22. IMO, with the make up of this roster, this team performed to it's ceiling. That is all I can ask of any given team, to maximize it's potential.
I would like MU to be on a par with Villanova. I understand that will take time. This season was a step in the right direction. There are still miles to go. B+
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For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could grade this season above a C. I wouldn't want to be a boss for most of the people on this forum if our sights are set so low.
We barely made the tournament and flamed out in epic fashion in both BE tournament and big dance. We spend more than nearly every team in the country, have top notch facilities, and a great area from which to recruit.
Our expectations and results should be much higher. I think that's part of the problem. Half the stakeholders in this team thought getting into the tournament is good enough...
Don't mistake commendation for satisfaction. All of us expect Marquette to be a Final Four contender every season. That is the level we are expecting to get to. We also understand that it will take time to get there. So will recognize and enjoy the milestones as Wojo gets to them. The expectation is that Wojo will continue to pass them. If he doesn't, his butt will be out on the street looking for a new job.
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I said B-. I figured we'd be a bubble team and ended up on the right side and in the tournament, so slightly better than average expectation, but as Lenny said, we were healthy all year and nothing out of our control went against us.
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4 year old in the back seat. "Are we there yet? I wanna be there. When are gonna get there? It's not fair. We should be there by now."
With about as much effect on actually getting there.
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I didn't say that I was unhappy with the progress the team has made, but grades are assigned on performance not expectation.
If an imbecile is given an algebra test and is expected to fail, but instead exceeds expectations and gets a 70%....what is the grade? The grade is 70%, not 90% for exceeding expectations.
Certain aspects of this season are B+, but as an objective whole, this was an average season at best.
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B-.
This was a successful season on the whole: we got in the Big Dance, got ourselves back in the national conversation, showed we have the young components to build for the next 3 seasons. Largely, this team played to its talent level on offense and defense.
Minus for pissing down our leg on the national scene.
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I didn't say that I was unhappy with the progress the team has made, but grades are assigned on performance not expectation.
If an imbecile is given an algebra test and is expected to fail, but instead exceeds expectations and gets a 70%....what is the grade? The grade is 70%, not 90% for exceeding expectations.
Certain aspects of this season are B+, but as an objective whole, this was an average season at best.
Well sure. But my guess is that you don't give a college level algebra test to a high schooler. Like it or not, each season is not graded on the same scale.
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Poll bump...last one
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Well sure. But my guess is that you don't give a college level algebra test to a high schooler. Like it or not, each season is not graded on the same scale.
Algebra is a high school course. It shouldn't be being taken in college. Not sure that is a good example.
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Does MU still give out grades such as AB, BC, and CD? If so, going with BC. Offense was very good when three-pointers were falling, but as has been noted, defense needs lots of work.
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Algebra is a high school course. It shouldn't be being taken in college. Not sure that is a good example.
It's like giving an ACT to Derrick Rose. Better?
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Algebra is a high school course. It shouldn't be being taken in college. Not sure that is a good example.
Can you tell I was a comm major? ;D
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Gave it a B.
Pros:
Met or exceeded expectations overall
Made the postseason, and NCAA tournament at that
Two very promising freshmen
Hit the transfers quite well. Rowsey in particular, and he'll be back
First MU team in a long time that could shoot
Exceeded conference place projection
Got a court storming in
Cons:
Multiple players regressed, and dramatically. Cheatham expected to take the next step to becoming a star, yet regresses to the bottom of the rotation. Wilson, a guy who could go for 30 and who you wanted to take the last shot, becomes a role player. Cohen was off track ending last year, which continued until he was out
Team was abysmal defensively
Several very hard to watch meltdowns, either with the lead or after competing for a half
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Gave them a C+ three games ago and now a C. Not angry about last two losses, but really shows how much work is left to be done. Coaching needs to improve, talent level improve and major need for athletic players.
IMO there is a lot more work needed to be done than most on here believe. Watching games the last two days and it is quite obvious to me that we are not in same league as many of the tourney teams.
Hate the fact that I still care so much that I will be up for two hours stewing over the overall place our program is at in big picture.
Agree much work needs to be done. That's almost always the case for every team.
I drove the 2 hours from Greenville to Charlotte, got home at 2:48 a.m., my head hit the pillow at 2:58 a.m. and I'm guessing I was sound asleep by 2:58:30 a.m.
No stewing. It's basketball. Besides, I enjoyed the season, and I like the direction Wojo is taking the program.
I gave a solid B.
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in general a fun team to watch, especially against finesse teams like Vanderbilt or Creighton. But let's not kid ourselves. We were healthy all year. We played Xavier once without Bluiett and Sumner, once without Sumner. We played Creighton twice without Watson. We went 4-0 in those games. I know, I know - we still had to win those games, injuries are part of the game, etc., but in assessing progress I assume a luck neutral even playing field - and with one, we're no better than an 8-10 Big East team who watches the big tournament on TV. A- for offense, D for defense, C+ overall.
The X win at home was definitely a fortuitous situation because they didn't have Blueitt. By the time we played X the second time, Blueitt was back, they had had a full month to adjust to playing without Sumner and it was at their place. It was close to a must win for us, and our lads delivered. Ask Maryland and Florida State how crappy X is without Sumner.
The Watson situation was kind of similar. We were very lucky in that the first meeting with Creighton was in the first game after Watson's injury. But again, the rematch came more than a month later. They have a good coach and plenty of time to adjust. They had won at Butler in the interim. Etc. I don't discount our second win over them even one iota.
We were healthy but we had plenty of bad luck this season, too. I think I remember reading on some threads this season that we were near the bottom of NCAA "luck rankings," whatever they are.
I am not one who says we "should have won" this game or that game. If we should have won 'em, we would have. Similarly, I am not one to say we "should have lost" to Nova or whomever. Our record was 10-8 because that's what we earned and that's what we deserved.
Solid B for Wojo and the lads.
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A solid B+. A tourney bid after wandering in the wilderness earns at least a B. Wojo's changing things up after we got stuck in quicksand, as well as a crazy offense and a few great wins, have to raise the grade. Progress, and excitement for next year give the plus despite the defense and the few games we let slip by.
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LOL
I went to MU in the early 80s and kinda assumed that bizarre grading system was a relic by now...but just looked it up and see that they're still using it. I'm changing my vote from B+ to AB.
The ironic thing is that they are changing it to '+,-' next year to be consistent with other universities.
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I'd give it a b+. Made the tourny with a good first half. I had fun at Jackson's behind some older people. So it was fun
You were there and didn't come over to introduce yourself?
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A Big B +
Overcame a lot of Warts. Proud of the Overachievers.
The program continues to show improvement from the previous year.
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For the life of me I can't figure out how anyone could grade this season above a C. I wouldn't want to be a boss for most of the people on this forum if our sights are set so low.
We barely made the tournament and flamed out in epic fashion in both BE tournament and big dance. We spend more than nearly every team in the country, have top notch facilities, and a great area from which to recruit.
Our expectations and results should be much higher. I think that's part of the problem. Half the stakeholders in this team thought getting into the tournament is good enough...
Check out Texas
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Gave 'em a B-.
Going into the season, I thought we were a marginal NCAA team. I was going to be very disappointed if we didn't make the tournament. We made it, though we were a bit of a bust once we got there.
For my generation of Warriors, the expectation is to be in the NCAAs every year. We view ourselves in the same vein Indiana views basketball. We hope to be an elite team. In this vein, while I gave some thought to a higher grade due to the inadequacies on this team, I passed because our objectives should and again will be higher.
I'm happy with Wojo and with our direction. I also understand it takes time given the dumpster fire we inherited. But we are getting there, which is a solid B-.
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The ironic thing is that they are changing it to '+,-' next year to be consistent with other universities.
Good to hear
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Wanted to wait a few days on this one.
A big (https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2328288/grade_b_plus.0.png)
Beat preseason expectations of NIT and went over .500 in league play so that moves them off a C.
Beat the #1 team in the country leading to a court storming.
Yes, the defense was bad but of course that was more than offset by the offense.
Finally, and importantly, the "average" fan in our family was really excited watching this team play. Don't discount the "fun"factor in the style of play and how that excites the average fan. This was a fun team to follow and it has been a fun season. That's what moved this from a B to a B+.
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The ironic thing is that they are changing it to '+,-' next year to be consistent with other universities.
My first year at Marquette (78-79) we had the standard A, B, C, D, F. The AB, BC, CD arrived my sophomore year. I hated them.
I was (and still am) a schmoozer. If I had an 88.5 average in high school and then my freshman year at MU, I got bumped up to an A because the professor/instructor/teacher liked me and thought I had a lot to offer the class.
As soon as AB came along, that "advantage" of mine ended. 88.5 = AB. Case closed.
I somehow survived the tragedy, though!
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The ironic thing is that they are changing it to '+,-' next year to be consistent with other universities.
Interesting. I always thought the MU system was bizarre.
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Voted B-
A- Offense, C- Defense.
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Don't discount the "fun"factor in the style of play and how that excites the average fan. This was a fun team to follow and it has been a fun season. That's what moved this from a B to a B+.
I have "fun" watching my team play intelligent fundamental basketball and hard nosed defense.
"Play a style that will excite the average fan" has never been a goal for any athletic team that I root for.
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B+ for me. Enjoyed being in the mix again and having the offensive firepower from deep despite all of the defensive struggles. Patience is key and we've had to endure for a few years, but I think we've turned a corner and the transition period from Buzz's program to Wojo's is completed.
Looking forward to next year.