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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 5DollarPitcher on January 02, 2021, 08:37:04 PM
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
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Meeeoooowww
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
It took a coach arguably worse than him to pull this one out of his a$$
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Maybe he's getting the meltdown out of the way early? Big win steak to carry us through the tournament?
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And a team more inept than we are at taking care of the ball.
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
A bit generous calling this a Lewis takeover
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This is the only thing that needs to be said about this game. Georgetown's incompetence was astounding. They started this game with 5 straight turnovers, and bookended it with 5 or so in the last couple minutes. Nova, Seton Hall, any team that wasn't playing like it just had a lobotomy would've run Marquette off the floor tonight.
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A bit generous calling this a Lewis takeover
He’s referring to the UW upset and this game...
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It was a turd of a game for MU (especially from 3). And a "normal" game for GT. Take the win and hope we play better next time.
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
He wasn’t going to be fired based on this game.
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lol. cant say ur wrong necessarily
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We were supposed to win by 5, won by 4, no style points in college basketball.
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It was a turd of a game for MU (especially from 3). And a "normal" game for GT. Take the win and hope we play better next time.
Wojo runs a turd of a program.
Georgetown’s “normal” should be a 10-20 point shellacking by our program. They allowed a 17-2 run with more turnovers than points for a stretch during crunch time. This is where it doesn’t make sense when people say sarcastically “you act like we’re Georgetown”. We’re pretty fecking close
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As opposed to another regurgitating, nauseating, fire Wojo thread, there’s like 85 of them. Don’t you guys get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over again?
I’d give credit to Wojo for adjusting at half. The team hardly took any outside shots and drove to the basket non stop. That was a coach telling the team what to do.
Wojo also kept the lineup of Torrence, Elliott, Garcia, Lewis and Cain on the floor for the run when they got the lead. Left Carton, Koby and Theo on the bench. When Koby returned he missed two free throws and then dribbled in the lane and picked up his dribble. Wojo sub him for Carton who made key basket. That was a coaching decision.
That was great comeback even though a lesser opponent, but still a comeback.
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We were supposed to win by 5, won by 4, no style points in college basketball.
The Vegas line is our program standard now? Just cuz Vegas is catching on that we kinda suck and are only a few points better than dumpster Gtown doesn’t mean we should be proud of that win. Or content.
That was an embarrassment that Wojo somehow turned into a feather in his cap to the bumbling rubes on the BOT and Lovell.
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Wojo runs a turd of a program.
Georgetown’s “normal” should be a 10-20 point shellacking by our program. They allowed a 17-2 run with more turnovers than points for a stretch during crunch time. This is where it doesn’t make sense when people say sarcastically “you act like we’re Georgetown”. We’re pretty fecking close
I'm not excusing the first half. It was awful, we couldn't find a pot to piss in, so shat our pants. But impressive grit in the 2nd half (even when I was ready to throw in the towel).
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Georgetown is a remarkably bad basketball team.
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As opposed to another regurgitating, nauseating, fire Wojo thread, there’s like 85 of them. Don’t you guys get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over again?
I really don’t. I’ll stop them the day he’s fired or the day we remove ourselves from the quagmire of mediocrity he has created.
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Chalk up another demoralizing victory.
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I'm not excusing the first half. It was awful, we couldn't find a pot to piss in, so shat our pants. But impressive grit in the 2nd half (even when I was ready to throw in the towel).
This is the problem. You somehow watched that game and came away impressed.
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I really don’t. I’ll stop them the day he’s fired or the day we remove ourselves from the quagmire of mediocrity he has created.
MU 64. Georgetown 60
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As opposed to another regurgitating, nauseating, fire Wojo thread, there’s like 85 of them. Don’t you guys get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over again?
I’d give credit to Wojo for adjusting at half. The team hardly took any outside shots and drove to the basket non stop. That was a coach telling the team what to do.
Wojo also kept the lineup of Torrence, Elliott, Garcia, Lewis and Cain on the floor for the run when they got the lead. Left Carton, Koby and Theo on the bench. When Koby returned he missed two free throws and then dribbled in the lane and picked up his dribble. Wojo sub him for Carton who made key basket. That was a coaching decision.
That was great comeback even though a lesser opponent, but still a comeback.
No I really don’t get sick of it as long as there are fans like you who offer praise after tonight instead of being honest how awful things are to need to come from 18 down to beat the team picked for last in conference.
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MU 64. Georgetown 60
Georgetown is a remarkably bad basketball team
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The Vegas line is our program standard now? Just cuz Vegas is catching on that we kinda suck and are only a few points better than dumpster Gtown doesn’t mean we should be proud of that win. Or content.
That was an embarrassment that Wojo somehow turned into a feather in his cap to the bumbling rubes on the BOT and Lovell.
Some people on this board need to be brought up on charges of General Slurpery. Georgetown is so bad that their coach drew up a freaking illegal inbound play for their last possession of the game. But hey, let's all beat our chests because the worst team in the conference handed us a game on a silver platter.
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As opposed to another regurgitating, nauseating, fire Wojo thread, there’s like 85 of them. Don’t you guys get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over again?
I’d give credit to Wojo for adjusting at half. The team hardly took any outside shots and drove to the basket non stop. That was a coach telling the team what to do.
Wojo also kept the lineup of Torrence, Elliott, Garcia, Lewis and Cain on the floor for the run when they got the lead. Left Carton, Koby and Theo on the bench. When Koby returned he missed two free throws and then dribbled in the lane and picked up his dribble. Wojo sub him for Carton who made key basket. That was a coaching decision.
That was great comeback even though a lesser opponent, but still a comeback.
Yes, well said. Thank you. People on this board can be nauseating even after a huge comeback win.
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This team is very talented. It’s also very poorly coached. Wojo is a hack.
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Why did I know someone would credit Nojo with great halftime adjustments. There’s no way he should be the one making adjustments to stage a huge comeback. His team was flat out of the gate. Yes, I’m tired of ripping the guy, but that doesn’t mean we should settle or accept it quietly either. He’s not a good coach. He’s a “C” coach who should have become a doctor.
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OP may end up being accurate, but it's far to early to tell. No one is getting fired from one performance in January. Wojo will be re-evaluated, as he always is, at season end.
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MU needs to go Texas Longhorn on his a&$!!
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MU 64. Georgetown 60
What am I supposed to do with this? Georgetown sucks completely.
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I didn’t think I’d ever see the day where MU won a game, on an 18 point comeback no less, and more people would be upset about it than happy about it.
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The Vegas line is our program standard now? Just cuz Vegas is catching on that we kinda suck and are only a few points better than dumpster Gtown doesn’t mean we should be proud of that win. Or content.
That was an embarrassment that Wojo somehow turned into a feather in his cap to the bumbling rubes on the BOT and Lovell.
Amen
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This team is very talented. It’s also very poorly coached. Wojo is a hack.
This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
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Georgetown is a remarkably bad basketball team
Yes they are and it would have been a terrible loss, but MU actually won the game after being down big time in second half. Yes, they won. Don’t care if MU won by 25 or by 4. Just get the win and no one in three weeks will remember this game.
Oh, and the team seemed pretty pumped up about the WIN, not how they played in the first half.
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Wojo will probably parlay that hot mess into an extension. Yippee ::)
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The only thing more embarrassing than how unprepared we looked in the first half is MUScoop. Had all these sarcastic posts about how great it’ll be to see the excellent adjustments Wojo makes down 16 at half. Then come back and win by 4 and Wojo made no adjustments it’s just Pat Ewing sucks. Our first half can suck, GTown can suck, and we can have played really hard in the second half. We got a road win while playing terrible basketball for 30 minutes.
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I didn’t think I’d ever see the day where MU won a game, on an 18 point comeback no less, and more people would be upset about it than happy about it.
Classic scoopers. More fun to be upset and complain than enjoy the moment.
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MU needs to go Texas Longhorn on his a&$!!
Sure. But that would required boosters with enough money to buy out wojo and pay for the new head coach. Does MU have those boosters? Have you offered your money?
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This is the problem. You somehow watched that game and came away impressed.
With the teams 2nd half effort? Yes!
I get it, Wojo (or the team) loses this one and it's easy to call for his firing. But wojo or not, the team won tonight. A game they were supposed to win. If you're a Marquette fan you should be at least relived, maybe even happy at that comeback.
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This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
Idiotic
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I didn’t think I’d ever see the day where MU won a game, on an 18 point comeback no less, and more people would be upset about it than happy about it.
We played like absolute ass tonight, but as always, Wojo does just enough to not quite reach the tipping point of obviously needing to be fired. This time, he benefited from Georgetown's complete and total incompetence. Arkansas Pine-Bluff was worse than Georgetown, but in terms of high majors, the Hoyas are bottom of the barrel.
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I didn’t think I’d ever see the day where MU won a game, on an 18 point comeback no less, and more people would be upset about it than happy about it.
Against the team picked for dead last in conference and who’s well on their way to meeting that expectation.
Also after a 9 day layoff to theoretically prepare and improve.
But don’t let any silly details get in the way of celebrating a great comeback.
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Y'all, the first half wasn't the result of bad coaching. We got open looks, we didn't make them. The defense wasn't great but it was passable. We adjusted at half time, started going inside every possession, clamped down on defense and won the game. Is it an impressive win? unnatural carnal knowledge no. But it's hardly a condemnation of Wojo. Oklahoma state was a condemnation of Wojo. Villanova was a condemnation of Wojo. This was just a game.
Believe it or not, not every bad performance is due to poor coaching. Unless you believe Wojo should be on the court taking the shots.
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MU needs to go Texas Longhorn on his a&$!!
Hire Shaka?
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I didn’t think I’d ever see the day where MU won a game, on an 18 point comeback no less, and more people would be upset about it than happy about it.
I didn’t think I’d ever see the 2,837th consecutive day without an NCAA tournament win but a significant portion of our fans are happy.
But hey we’re all being surprised.
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Against the team picked for dead last in conference and who’s well on their way to meeting that expectation.
Also after a 9 day layoff to theoretically prepare and improve.
But don’t let any silly details get in the way of celebrating a great comeback.
We get it, you’re upset they won
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The only thing more embarrassing than how unprepared we looked in the first half is MUScoop. Had all these sarcastic posts about how great it’ll be to see the excellent adjustments Wojo makes down 16 at half. Then come back and win by 4 and Wojo made no adjustments it’s just Pat Ewing sucks. Our first half can suck, GTown can suck, and we can have played really hard in the second half. We got a road win while playing terrible basketball for 30 minutes.
Honest question did you watch the game?
The 17-2 run that lost Gtown the game was almost entirely Gtown incompetence. If you don’t agree you’re simply an apologist.
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We get it, you’re upset they won
We get it, you’re either clueless, or such a fan and non objective, you’re unable to see this for what it is.
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Yes they are and it would have been a terrible loss, but MU actually won the game after being down big time in second half. Yes, they won. Don’t care if MU won by 25 or by 4. Just get the win and no one in three weeks will remember this game.
Oh, and the team seemed pretty pumped up about the WIN, not how they played in the first half.
If you can take any team positives from this game, your name is either John Dodds or Michael Lovell.
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This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
No it's not. The roster is maybe the 30th to 50th best in the country. A great coach could probably get it to top 20 at most.
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Honest question did you watch the game?
The 17-2 run that lost Gtown the game was almost entirely Gtown incompetence. If you don’t agree you’re simply an apologist.
Yep. After the under 4 timeout, Georgetown turned the ball over 5 times. That's, like, all of their possessions. Hard to do if you're a high major.
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
The only way Wojo is going is if someone else hires him away. So we need him to keep winning as much as possible. The new school that hires him won't care if he wins ugly, they are just going to be looking for something to justify the hire.
The good news is these kids will give max effort so we can hopefully eke out enough of these wins to post a winning season. That should be enough to put Wojo in the top 5 of available coaches come the post covid coaching carousel.
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Idiotic
Deonte Burton leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Duane Wilson leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Joey is the best player on a Top 15 team
Sam is a top player on a ranked team
I’m the idiot... ha. The guy cannot utilize talent. Imagine All American Markus Howard being coached by someone else.
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
Hay...att leazt 4ever disguises hiz hate...you just hate all the time like a bitch.
$5 wanted Mu to lose that game.......baaaaad. Well they did just enough to win. In your mind.....Wojo is coaching. One more game.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
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Hay...att leazt 4ever disguises hiz hate...you just hate all the time like a bitch.
$5 wanted Mu to lose that game.......baaaaad. Well they did just enough to win. In your mind.....Wojo is coaching. One more game.
I want to get rid of Wojo any way possible because I am 10,000% convinced he isn’t bringing us anything more than .500 in conference seasons.
I don’t get off to that - no judgments if you do.
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Honest question did you watch the game?
The 17-2 run that lost Gtown the game was almost entirely Gtown incompetence. If you don’t agree you’re simply an apologist.
No it wasn't. We started attacking the paint every offensive possession which they couldn't stop. We also upped our defensive pressure and forced most of those turnovers. Georgetown incompetence helped but MU still had to step up and win the game.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
So dumb.
To clarify, I’m referring to your post.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
+1
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
This is awful. And pretty tone deaf on the part of MU's social media team.
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No it wasn't. We started attacking the paint every offensive possession which they couldn't stop. We also upped our defensive pressure and forced most of those turnovers. Georgetown incompetence helped but MU still had to step up and win the game.
I’m happy to have a Zoom where we watch the film and analyze every single Georgetown turnover during the 17-2 run. Marquette didn’t “force” anything.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
This is just a sad, sad post from a sad, sad person.
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MU played better with Theo on the bench, even though Lewis was horrible from the outside, he did some things that Theo can not do, drive to the hoop. Secondly, Carton and Koby dribble way to much. Secondly, the group as whole other than Cain were 1-17, can not win that way. Only played 7 again, not good
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Deonte Burton leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Duane Wilson leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Joey is the best player on a Top 15 team
Sam is a top player on a ranked team
I’m the idiot... ha. The guy cannot utilize talent. Imagine All American Markus Howard being coached by someone else.
Uhhh that Michigan State team is the worst sparty team I have possibly ever seen. And certainly not a top 15 team(currently or anytime soon.)
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I want to get rid of Wojo any way possible because I am 10,000% convinced he isn’t bringing us anything more than .500 in conference seasons.
I don’t get off to that - no judgments if you do.
What????? You wanted MU to lose tonight? Holy crap??? Why didn’t you say so in the last 500 posts? We get it.
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Are we really attacking the players for celebrating a win now? If anything this shows the sad, sad indictment of the quality of people that some of our "fans" claim to be.
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If you can take any team positives from this game, your name is either John Dodds or Michael Lovell.
I am neither and in my long time on the board I have never, never commented in the hundreds of Fire Wojo, Wojo Sucks, etc. threads until this one. Just a waste of breath. I don't care if they fire him, retain him or make him MU President. There are a lot who are just overly obsessed with it.
My point is the team WON the game and adjustments were made in second half as I pointed out. Maybe Killings made the adjustments, who knows and I don't care. Then come the Georgetown gave it away excuses as opposed to the heart the MU players showed in the second half. MU won and that's the positive I take from the game.
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This is just a sad, sad post from a sad, sad person.
Maybe those three should gather somewhere and drink their tears. After all, it seems their livelihood rests on MUBB and Wojo's performance.
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This is just a sad, sad post from a sad, sad person.
We didn’t win this game. Georgetown, the worst team in the conference, lost it.
Celebrating like we won conference, when in reality we only beat Georgetown is a sad scene.
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This is awful. And pretty tone deaf on the part of MU's social media team.
Why is it tone deaf??
The team was pumped up after coming back on the road down 18 and the social media team posted it.
It was a big comeback and hopefully based off how pumped up the team is, will lead to a turnaround.
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This is awful. And pretty tone deaf on the part of MU's social media team.
Lol what?
What do you think they should post? Just a grim picture and a final score?
Look it was a fun second half. They stepped up when they had to. Just enjoy it.
People always need to look for reasons to be miserable.
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Uhhh that Michigan State team is the worst sparty team I have possibly ever seen. And certainly not a top 15 team(currently or anytime soon.)
They’re 7-3 and ranked 17 in the country. You may think they suck but unfortunately for you you don’t get a Top 25 vote.
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We didn’t win this game. Georgetown, the worst team in the conference, lost it.
Celebrating like we won conference, when in reality we only beat Georgetown is a sad scene.
Imagine 18-22 year old kids playing during a pandemic wanting to celebrate a comeback win regardless of the quality of the opponent. How dare they.
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Are we really attacking the players for celebrating a win now? If anything this shows the sad, sad indictment of the quality of people that some of our "fans" claim to be.
This. The players played their asses off in the 2nd half and came back from 18 down. There's natural elation in a win in those circumstances regardless of opponent.
Horrible optics from the OP.
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We didn’t win this game. Georgetown, the worst team in the conference, lost it.
So so stupid.
They won. They’re happy they won. So am I. Not making it any greater than that. It was a fun second half.
You’re not obviously. Sad.
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They’re 7-3 and ranked 17 in the country. You may think they suck but unfortunately for you you don’t get a Top 25 vote.
Well, 17 isnt 15.
They also lost by 25 to Minny this week and survived Nebraska so they will drop further.
They are 1-3 in the BIg10 and their only "quality" win is a Duke team that has beaten nobody.
I'd suggest watching the games. MSU isnt good. They entered the year vastly overrated and are sliding from that perch.
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Negativity is something to behold.
The thing is that the negative people don't even know they are negative.
Furthermore, lacking character they don't recognize character when they see it.
I don't care what Georgetown did or didn't do, the M.U. team showed character.
Down 18 win by 4, what the hell do you want?
If you argue with a crazy person pretty soon people are going to wonder who the crazy person is.
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We didn’t win this game. Georgetown, the worst team in the conference, lost it.
Celebrating like we won conference, when in reality we only beat Georgetown is a sad scene.
So Marquette didn't make the shots they needed to? Georgetown removed points from the scoreboard?
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We didn’t win this game. Georgetown, the worst team in the conference, lost it.
Celebrating like we won conference, when in reality we only beat Georgetown is a sad scene.
OK Boss. There are like 5 people here tonight that want to sue the NCAA to make sure the record books show that Marquette did NOT win.
But you know what? They did. I don't give a rip whether Marquette keeps or fires Wojo. I do like to watch the team win.
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They’re 7-3 and ranked 17 in the country. You may think they suck but unfortunately for you you don’t get a Top 25 vote.
They are ranked #50 in kenpom (before tonight’s results). It’s 2 above Marquette.
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I want to get rid of Wojo any way possible because I am 10,000% convinced he isn’t bringing us anything more than .500 in conference seasons.
I don’t get off to that - no judgments if you do.
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I am neither and in my long time on the board I have never, never commented in the hundreds of Fire Wojo, Wojo Sucks, etc. threads until this one. Just a waste of breath. I don't care if they fire him, retain him or make him MU President. There are a lot who are just overly obsessed with it.
My point is the team WON the game and adjustments were made in second half as I pointed out. Maybe Killings made the adjustments, who knows and I don't care. Then come the Georgetown gave it away excuses as opposed to the heart the MU players showed in the second half. MU won and that's the positive I take from the game.
But the question is what is your hope or expectation? If this was Year 3 and we weren’t sure what Wojo’s teams were all about, I’d be overjoyed on this great comeback win. Unfortunately, these wins have defined his tenure. Close wins that barely keep the teams had at or above water followed by crushing losses that are a kick to the face back down. Up and down and up and down and up and down for 7 years just to end it all about at .500 (in conference) with no wins in the tourney and no conference titles.
Excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy over our razor thin win over the co-most-laughed-at program in the Big East. Wojo doesn’t build of these. He never has, he never will, the program is floundering in mediocrity and tonight is just another example of it - despite it going in the win column.
Hence the title of this thread - he does just enough to keep guys like you happy. And it seems like the BOT is made up of guys like you.
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Some people on this board need to be brought up on charges of General Slurpery. Georgetown is so bad that their coach drew up a freaking illegal inbound play for their last possession of the game. But hey, let's all beat our chests because the worst team in the conference handed us a game on a silver platter.
Ha. The last play that surely would have changed the outcome of a four point game with 2.3 seconds left. Whatever you're drinking is damaging your brain more than fans who simply know how to celebrate a comeback win and great performance from a senior. Enjoy the moment.
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Well, 17 isnt 15.
Good win.
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I can think that Wojo isn’t the right coach.
I can also be happy they came back to win and celebrated.
Those aren’t mutually exclusive thoughts.
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Deonte Burton leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Duane Wilson leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Joey is the best player on a Top 15 team
Sam is a top player on a ranked team
I’m the idiot... ha. The guy cannot utilize talent. Imagine All American Markus Howard being coached by someone else.
No your not the idiot.....you just keep bringing up Deonte Burton as evidence of your strong position.....in a close conference win...in 2021.
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And it seems like the BOT is made up of guys like you.
Could be worse, the BOT could all be geniuses like you: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59473.0
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I can think that Wojo isn’t the right coach.
I can also be happy they came back to win and celebrated.
Those aren’t mutually exclusive thoughts.
Unfortunately some people will forever be miserable. They will be the same ones complaining even if MU rebuilds the program to get deep into the tournament over their tenure. It will never be enough, no matter what.
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Deonte Burton leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Duane Wilson leaves and becomes a top player on a Top 15 team
Joey is the best player on a Top 15 team
Sam is a top player on a ranked team
I’m the idiot... ha. The guy cannot utilize talent. Imagine All American Markus Howard being coached by someone else.
Yes, you are the idiot. What does any of this blather have to do with our wins vs Wisconsin and Creighton?
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
Your next best recommendation is a GO FUND ME site with $ 6 million Ask. I think that is 1.2 million pitches at $5
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Could be worse, the BOT could all be geniuses like you: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59473.0
Ha you’re right Rocky - as always! Wojo’s banners far outnumber DePaul’s over the last 7 years!... wake up.
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But the question is what is your hope or expectation? If this was Year 3 and we weren’t sure what Wojo’s teams were all about, I’d be overjoyed on this great comeback win. Unfortunately, these wins have defined his tenure. Close wins that barely keep the teams had at or above water followed by crushing losses that are a kick to the face back down. Up and down and up and down and up and down for 7 years just to end it all about at .500 (in conference) with no wins in the tourney and no conference titles.
Excuse me if I’m not jumping for joy over our razor thin win over the co-most-laughed-at program in the Big East. Wojo doesn’t build of these. He never has, he never will, the program is floundering in mediocrity and tonight is just another example of it - despite it going in the win column.
Hence the title of this thread - he does just enough to keep guys like you happy. And it seems like the BOT is made up of guys like you.
Guys like me, love it. Did you actually read my post. I don't care about Wojo, I don't have a continuous hardon for what he does and doesn't do right like you. They could fire him tomorrow and I would not lose sleep, they could extend his contract and I would blink. Don't care. The team won, that's it.
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Guys like me, love it. Did you actually read my post. I don't care about Wojo, I don't have a continuous hardon for what he does and doesn't do right like you. They could fire him tomorrow and I would not lose sleep, they could extend his contract and I would blink. Don't care. The team won, that's it.
Amen
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Why do you people actually answer that idiot $5.... I have him on IGNORE for a reason, but u still need to quote him, much less answer him... Just put the POS on IGNORE, dont answer his stupid posts and he'll go away ! ! ! 8-)
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I can think that Wojo isn’t the right coach.
I can also be happy they came back to win and celebrated.
Those aren’t mutually exclusive thoughts.
This
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Winning is fun, let’s do it again!
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Yes, you are the idiot. What does any of this blather have to do with our wins vs Wisconsin and Creighton?
The post that I replied to was calling me an idiot for saying the talent on this team is a Top 10-15 team with a good coach.
Read the thread before posting moron.
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Your next best recommendation is a GO FUND ME site with $ 6 million Ask. I think that is 1.2 million pitches at $5
For the record I was singing this tune before we put ourselves in a position where we had to pay a multi-year buyout on this hack.
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Could be worse, the BOT could all be geniuses like you: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59473.0
You gotta keep calling these guys out, or they'll never learn.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59228.msg1167642#msg1167642
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Why do you people actually answer that idiot $5.... I have him on IGNORE for a reason, but u still need to quote him, much less answer him... Just put the POS on IGNORE, dont answer his stupid posts and he'll go away ! ! ! 8-)
Good point. Trolly troll gotta troll.
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Guys like me, love it. Did you actually read my post. I don't care about Wojo, I don't have a continuous hardon for what he does and doesn't do right like you. They could fire him tomorrow and I would not lose sleep, they could extend his contract and I would blink. Don't care. The team won, that's it.
Therein lies the entire problem. To say you don’t care if he’s extended for another 2, 4, 8 years whatever is to say that you’re content with the mediocrity that his program embodies.
If that’s the case that’s entirely fine - but you and I have FAR different expectations for this program and, therefore, having this conversation wouldn’t be fair to you or me.
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The post that I replied to was calling me an idiot for saying the talent on this team is a Top 10-15 team with a good coach.
Read the thread before posting moron.
My lord are you dense. So all the guys you mentioned that play/played for other teams are part of out top 10-15 roster this year? What the F does Deonte Burton have to do with this year’s team genius?
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I want to get rid of Wojo any way possible because I am 10,000% convinced he isn’t bringing us anything more than .500 in conference seasons.
I don’t get off to that - no judgments if you do.
Does “any way possible” including shouting all year on a board that nobody in the administration reads and has no consequence on the future of his job.
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For the record I was singing this tune before we put ourselves in a position where we had to pay a multi-year buyout on this hack.
We put ourselves in a positions where we....
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My lord are you dense. So all the guys you mentioned that play/played for other teams are part of out top 10-15 roster this year? What the F does Deonte Burton have to do with this year’s team genius?
No they’re examples of guys that Wojo had on teams that were unranked or mediocre that excelled on ranked, sometimes highly ranked, teams elsewhere.
Is this hard calculus for you?
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Could be worse, the BOT could all be geniuses like you: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59473.0
I pegged him for a dullard. I was wrong. He's a whiney twat.
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Does “any way possible” including shouting all year on a board that nobody in the administration reads and has no consequence on the future of his job.
I’m trying to change the sentiment. If you don’t want to read my pamphlet - put me on ignore. I really don’t mind.
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No they’re examples of guys that Wojo had on teams that were unranked or mediocre that excelled on ranked, sometimes highly ranked, teams elsewhere.
Is this hard calculus for you?
Depaul's message board has plenty of room, I'm sure.
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There is no such thing as a bad conference road win.
There is no such thing as a bad 18 point comeback.
There is no such thing as a bad career night from a role playing senior who stayed.
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There is no such thing as a bad conference road win.
There is no such thing as a bad 18 point comeback.
There is no such thing as a bad career night from a role playing senior who stayed.
My first thought post game was thank God he stayed. He persevered, he stayed, and he was the star tonight. God knows wojo didn’t make it easy for him to stay
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Therein lies the entire problem. To say you don’t care if he’s extended for another 2, 4, 8 years whatever is to say that you’re content with the mediocrity that his program embodies.
If that’s the case that’s entirely fine - but you and I have FAR different expectations for this program and, therefore, having this conversation wouldn’t be fair to you or me.
This is about tonights game, not about expectations for the program. It was about a team winning and then bashing on the coach. The Wojo expectations has been discussed to the point of no return and I have stayed out of that because it will certainly come up again after the next loss and maybe again after the next win. It is now apparent to a further degree that there are certain posters who have a devisive hatred of the coach and the continuous initiations of new "Subject" threads of his demise will just keep evolving. Thats why I lurk, read and don't comment on them. I'll take the win after being down to a lesser team and so will the players. Good for them.
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I agree. Way too much coddling of the Hausers and not enough Cain two years ago.
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I'm pretty sold that Wojo isn't the guy.
But there are some absolutely embarrassing posts in this thread.
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This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
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Porky shares your concern about WOJO but do you honestly think we're a top 10-15 team talent wise? Sure a better coach could get more out of our players but top 10-15 in talent? Porky simply can't get there. In Porky's humble opinion, our talent is about as average as average gets in the world of High Major D1 men's basketball rosters which is the world our program inhabits. Maybe we're slightly above average, but that's probably generous. Porky never got too excited about our 2 top 10 wins because both of them could have just as easily gone the other way. We won the UW game due to a fluke tip in and Creighton had an off night when we played them and we had a better game than average statistically. Not that Porky was unhappy we won those two games, but they were hardly convincing wins. Now if we won both by at least 8-10 points and the outcome of those games wasn't in doubt with less than 4:00 to play in the second half, then maybe Porky could come around to your POV on our talent, but in Porky's admittedly amateur opinion, this team isn't there yet and has a long way to go. Sure we have some promising youngsters but what high major D1 team doesn't? Hopefully they'll continue to get better but at the end of the day we're a mediocre team. Wish it weren't so. In no way is this a defense of Wojo. Like you, Porky believes he's had more than enough time to deliver and failed so he has to go regardless, but the idea that let's say, Buzz or someone else as competent can make this a top 10-15 team? Don't think so. Just one swine's opinion.
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Might as well enjoy the win because Wojos seat isn’t remotely warm, imo.
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Nope. Seated in snow.
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Porky shares your concern about WOJO but do you honestly think we're a top 10-15 team talent wise? Sure a better coach could get more of our players but top 10-15 in talent? Porky simply can't get there. In Porky's humble opinion, our talent is about as average as average gets in the world of High Major D1 men's basketball rosters which is the world our program inhabits. Maybe we're slightly above average, but that's probably generous. Porky never got too excited about our 2 top 10 wins because both of them could have just as easily gone the other way. We won the UW game due to a fluke tip in and Creighton had an off night when we played them and we had a better game than average statistically. Not that Porky was unhappy we won those two games, but they were hardly convincing wins. Now if we won both by at least 8-10 points and the outcome of of those games wasn't in doubt with less than 4:00 to play in the second half, then maybe Porky could come around to your POV on our talent, but in Porky's admittedly amateur opinion, this team isn't there yet and has a long way to go. Sure we have some promising youngsters but what high major D1 team doesn't? Hopefully they'll continue to get better but at the end of the day we're a mediocre team. Wish it weren't so. In no way is this a defense of Wojo. Like you, Porky believes he's had more than a enough time to deliver and has failed so he has to go regardless but the idea that let's say, Buzz or someone else as competent can make this a top 10-15 team? Don't think so. Just one swine's opinion.
Your argument is valid. But I guess the way I see it - Buzz brought in diamonds in the mud. But I would credit him with scraping off the mud. Wojo has brought in diamonds (if recruiting rankings are to be believed) and has covered them in mud.
Carton, Garcia, Cain, Hausers, Ellenson? Were these not considered big time recruits nationally?
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Might as well enjoy the win because Wojos seat isn’t remotely warm, imo.
The saddest part of it all is - you’re probably absolutely correct.
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Good point. Trolly troll gotta troll.
Good idea, how does one block another poster?
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No I really don’t get sick of it as long as there are fans like you who offer praise after tonight instead of being honest how awful things are to need to come from 18 down to beat the team picked for last in conference.
Yeah what kind of awful program has to come back from down 18 to beat the team picked last in the conference? Obviously a competent program like, say, Villanova would never find itself in that situation. Oh wait...
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Your argument is valid. But I guess the way I see it - Buzz brought in diamonds in the mud. But I would credit him with scraping off the mud. Wojo has brought in diamonds (if recruiting rankings are to be believed) and has covered them in mud.
Carton, Garcia, Cain, Hausers, Ellenson? Were these not considered big time recruits nationally?
You're right to an extent as well. But have to look at it both ways. Buzz brought in a wide range of diamonds (and still did well with them). All of his Juco guys were big-time performers at that level. Ready to step in and make an immediate impact. Guys like Wilson and Blue were also big-time. I loved those teams and that era of MU ball. Certainly wasn't void of warts on the program or Buzz himself.
Ellenson did what he was expected to do. Put up big numbers and bolt for the league. Sam did as well and Joey played one season and acted like a whiny baby for some of it. Cain I would argue was not a "big time" recruit but a good one. Carton and Garcia? They've played 11 games so far for MU.
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This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
So wins are on the players but losses are on the coach? Got it.
The talent on this roster is nowhere near top 10-15. That's laughable. DJ is a quality high major D1 starter. Dawson is a talented freshman who still isn't used to the physicality of the game. Lewis is a talented freshman who plays like a talented freshman...looks great sometimes and totally lost other times. Beyond that? It's okay talent.
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So wins are on the players but losses are on the coach? Got it.
I didn’t say that exactly. The idea is - wins against highly ranked teams coupled with bad losses to not highly ranked teams means - in my opinion- that we have the talent to compete but our preparedness, gameplan, coaching, etc lets us down against teams we should be creaming.
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I didn’t say that exactly. The idea is - wins against highly ranked teams coupled with bad losses to not highly ranked teams means - in my opinion- that we have the talent to compete but our preparedness, gameplan, coaching, etc lets us down against teams we should be creaming.
So what is the conclusion from losses to highly ranked teams and wins to low ranked teams mean?
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This roster with a good coach is a Top 10-15 team team in the country and competing for the Big East title. Wins over Wisconsin and Creighton prove that. Losses to far inferior teams are on the coach.
Do the wins over Wisconsin and Creighton also "prove" that Wojo is a good coach? Why not? Did the players go rogue in those two games and do the exact opposite of what he coached them to do?
Not sure why I'm bothering. You finally have come out and admitted what everybody knew was true based on several years of inaccurate and incompetent posts:
YOU ARE ACTIVELY ROOTING FOR OUR ALMA MATER TO LOSE.
You are a joyless hack. You are irrelevant. And you obviously are not a Marquette fan. But I do appreciate the honesty:
You Aren't (clap-clap) ... Mar-quette (clap-clap)
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It's a miracle, a miracle I say. What a coach, what a coach. Just think in another 7 years Wojo will leave for Duke and then we will be sorry, that's it we will be sorry ...
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Yeah what kind of awful program has to come back from down 18 to beat the team picked last in the conference? Obviously a competent program like, say, Villanova would never find itself in that situation. Oh wait...
Well Wades, when Wojo has won two national championships, several conference titles, has our program a perennial top 10-15 school, etc., I will be more than happy, in fact I promise, to be completely unbothered and offer zero negativity after a game like tonight.
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Sad day when we win and the board is as negative as when we lose.
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Do the wins over Wisconsin and Creighton also "prove" that Wojo is a good coach? Why not? Did the players go rogue in those two games and do the exact opposite of what he coached them to do?
Not sure why I'm bothering. You finally have come out and admitted what everybody knew was true based on several years of inaccurate and incompetent posts:
YOU ARE ACTIVELY ROOTING FOR OUR ALMA MATER TO LOSE.
You are a joyless hack. You are irrelevant. And you obviously are not a Marquette fan. But I do appreciate the honesty:
You Aren't (clap-clap) ... Mar-quette (clap-clap)
Can we start a list of these posters?
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I didn’t say that exactly. The idea is - wins against highly ranked teams coupled with bad losses to not highly ranked teams means - in my opinion- that we have the talent to compete but our preparedness, gameplan, coaching, etc lets us down against teams we should be creaming.
It is not some phenomenon only exclusive to MU. I'm not excusing all of their lousy performances vs. lesser teams on paper. But that's the reality of college bball. And frankly, I'd much rather take some crappy losses to the dregs of the big east or a non-conference sh*tter if it means they beat Bucky and few other highly ranked opponents.
Talent needs experience. The experience on MU's team this year is comprised of guys who have largely been relied on as nothing more than a role player before. It's nice to see some of them stepping up to the challenge.
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They’re 7-3 and ranked 17 in the country. You may think they suck but unfortunately for you you don’t get a Top 25 vote.
They are ranked #50 in kenpom (before tonight’s results). It’s 2 above Marquette.
After tonight's results, Marquette is now ranked about Michigan State on KenPom ;D
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Do the wins over Wisconsin and Creighton also "prove" that Wojo is a good coach? Why not? Did the players go rogue in those two games and do the exact opposite of what he coached them to do?
Not sure why I'm bothering. You finally have come out and admitted what everybody knew was true based on several years of inaccurate and incompetent posts:
YOU ARE ACTIVELY ROOTING FOR OUR ALMA MATER TO LOSE.
You are a joyless hack. You are irrelevant. And you obviously are not a Marquette fan. But I do appreciate the honesty:
You Aren't (clap-clap) ... Mar-quette (clap-clap)
And you’re an apologist hack that just wants everyone to shut the heck up so I can enjoy my wins over Georgetown and my not-worst-in-the-Big-East finishes year over year.
I’m not, nor have I ever been, actively cheering against the team. I am actively cheering against Wojo. He’s a horrible coach that’s ACTIVELY chipping away at (and probably has destroyed at this point) the foundation that was built for this program from 2003 until his hiring. He’s a Duke hack that didn’t have to earn anything after he graduated from Duke. K took him in and let him lead warm-up stretches until he landed a job at a high major where he could make millions. We were the unfortunate suckers that took the bait.
I have season tickets every single year and cheer for the team louder than you probably do. I boo Wojo too. But, unlike you seem to be, I’m not interested in making it a fan pissing contest.
Enjoy your vapid MU product and continue to sit on your hands while an entitled Dookie pilots us to irrelevance.
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And you’re an apologist hack that just wants everyone to shut the heck up so I can enjoy my wins over Georgetown and my not-worst-in-the-Big-East finishes year over year.
I’m not, nor have I ever been, actively cheering against the team. I am actively cheering against Wojo. He’s a horrible coach that’s ACTIVELY chipping away at (and probably has destroyed at this point) the foundation that was built for this program from 2003 until his hiring. He’s a Duke hack that didn’t have to earn anything after he graduated from Duke. K took him in and let him lead warm-up stretches until he landed a job at a high major where he could make millions. We were the unfortunate suckers that took the bait.
I have season tickets every single year and cheer for the team louder than you probably do. I boo Wojo too. But, unlike you seem to be, I’m not interested in making it a fan pissing contest.
Enjoy your vapid MU product and continue to sit on your hands while an entitled Dookie pilots us to irrelevance.
Look, man, you effen admitted it. Finally, a little honesty from you. Don't ruin it.
You are a joyless hack and a troll who is obviously not a Marquette fan.
You Are (clap-clap) De-Paul (clap-clap)
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Look, man, you effen admitted it. Finally, a little honesty from you. Don't ruin it.
You are a joyless hack and a troll who is obviously not a Marquette fan.
You Are (clap-clap) De-Paul (clap-clap)
Admitted what? That I want Wojo gone any way possible? Yeah. I’ll continue to admit that. I never ever said I cheer against the team. If you want to put words in my mouth you can - but you’re playing a game of “gotcha” and losing.
You are (clap clap) a content with mediocrity (clap clap)
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Admitted what? That I want Wojo gone any way possible? Yeah. I’ll continue to admit that.
Yep. Thanks for again admitting that you want the team to lose. Don't ruin your one moment of honesty with the BS you're trying to peddle in its aftermath.
You're not a Marquette fan.
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Admitted what? That I want Wojo gone any way possible? Yeah. I’ll continue to admit that. I never ever said I cheer against the team. If you want to put words in my mouth you can - but you’re playing a game of “gotcha” and losing.
You are (clap clap) a content with mediocrity (clap clap)
Maybe you should start rooting for Wojo to do the Al--win a championship and retire? Then you can keep the interests aligned.
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Admitted what? That I want Wojo gone any way possible? Yeah. I’ll continue to admit that. I never ever said I cheer against the team. If you want to put words in my mouth you can - but you’re playing a game of “gotcha” and losing.
You are (clap clap) a content with mediocrity (clap clap)
Well you did indicate you thought it was dumb the players were celebrating their 18 point come from behind win
That alone indicates you don't really support the team/players.
And that has nothing to do with the program or Wojo
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Well you did indicate you thought it was dumb the players were celebrating their 18 point come from behind win
That alone indicates you don't really support the team/players.
And that has nothing to do with the program or Wojo
The embarrassing part of the video was Wojo. Why not say “Sit down - this isn’t something we celebrate. We can celebrate like this when we win NCAAT games. These are building block games that we need to have a baseline expectation to win”. Instead Wojo jumps in the mosh pit like a buffoon with a sigh of relief that he might be able to ink another extension tomorrow.
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Well you did indicate you thought it was dumb the players were celebrating their 18 point come from behind win
That alone indicates you don't really support the team/players.
And that has nothing to do with the program or Wojo
What do you expect? He can't find a lick of joy in anything the players do, he admitted to wanting the team to lose, and he has a seething, deeply personal hatred of the coach.
It goes way beyond wanting the coach replaced, something that wouldn't bother many of us, maybe even most of us. He's simply not a Marquette fan.
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The embarrassing part of the video was Wojo. Why not say “Sit down - this isn’t something we celebrate. We can celebrate like this when we win NCAAT games. These are building block games that we need to have a baseline expectation to win”. Instead Wojo jumps in the mosh pit like a buffoon with a sigh of relief that he might be able to ink another extension tomorrow.
Lol.
Team is waiting to jump on Wojo. Yeah, Wojo should've chewed them out for wanting to celebrate an 18 point comeback win on the road.
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Lol.
Team is waiting to jump on Wojo. Yeah, Wojo should've chewed them out for wanting to celebrate an 18 point comeback win on the road.
Bet you were also a fan of the “Play Angry” speech prior to the NCAAT a couple years back?
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The embarrassing part of the video was Wojo. Why not say “Sit down - this isn’t something we celebrate. We can celebrate like this when we win NCAAT games. These are building block games that we need to have a baseline expectation to win”. Instead Wojo jumps in the mosh pit like a buffoon with a sigh of relief that he might be able to ink another extension tomorrow.
You've clearly never been a coach, teacher or leader of kids/young adults.
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Bet you were also a fan of the “Play Angry” speech prior to the NCAAT a couple years back?
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. But since it’ll make you happy, I’ll go with yes! Huge fan!
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You've clearly never been a coach, teacher or leader of kids/young adults.
You’re entitled to your own coaching style. As, I suppose, Wojo is to his and I am to mine. Wojo’s results speak for themselves.
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Well Wades, when Wojo has won two national championships, several conference titles, has our program a perennial top 10-15 school, etc., I will be more than happy, in fact I promise, to be completely unbothered and offer zero negativity after a game like tonight.
Wait, what? GTFO. There’s no way in hell Nova has accomplished all of that. I mean, they were down 18 to the team picked last in the BE before they won! Takes a special kind of incompetence to do that!
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To state that this team should not have celebrated is just ridiculous to say the least. These young men work hard all year long whether it be academically, in the weight room, or on the hardwood they certainly should celebrate one of life’s easiest lesson “don’t give up”. No matter how good or bad they played, their perseverance is admirable. Life’s difficult enough and can prove to be very short. Enjoy the moment and learn from takeaways. To think there are not going to be some tough discussions and teaching moments about tonight’s performance tomorrow is being a bit naive.
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Also, how was Wojo’s post game presser? Any mentions of youth, inexperience, road games, long layoffs, rust, etc. I should be enraged over? (Seriously, I can’t even remember the last time I’ve watched any post game press conference for any sport other than when some odd highlight comes from one of them and goes viral.)
Also, since we’re discounting the Madison and Creighton wins because, you know, close games, down to the wire, fluke tip ins, etc., do I have to discount the Xavier and SHU losses because close games, buzzer beaters, unfavorable whistle, etc.? Or does that only count when we’re trying to downplay what Wojo has accomplished?
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To state that this team should not have celebrated is just ridiculous to say the least. These young men work hard all year long whether it be academically, in the weight room, or on the hardwood they certainly should celebrate one of life’s easiest lesson “don’t give up”. No matter how good or bad they played, their perseverance is admirable. Life’s difficult enough and can prove to be very short. Enjoy the moment and learn from takeaways. To think there are not going to be some tough discussions and teaching moments about tonight’s performance tomorrow is being a bit naive.
This, of course.
There are some joyless mopes around these parts who would deny college basketball players the right to celebrate an emotional comeback win on the road. Remarkable.
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Nope. Seated in snow.
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Don't you have a thread to start!?!
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Stop wasting your time on this...
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You’re entitled to your own coaching style. As, I suppose, Wojo is to his and I am to mine. Wojo’s results speak for themselves.
Got it. You're more Wolf Stansson and less Herb Brooks
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Got it. You're more Wolf Stansson and less Herb Brooks
Got it. Your understanding of effective coaching comes from movies.
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The embarrassing part of the video was Wojo. Why not say “Sit down - this isn’t something we celebrate. We can celebrate like this when we win NCAAT games. These are building block games that we need to have a baseline expectation to win”. Instead Wojo jumps in the mosh pit like a buffoon with a sigh of relief that he might be able to ink another extension tomorrow.
There are so many legitimate things to criticize Wojo for. This sh*t just hurts your cause.
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There is a reason why I stay out of the Wojo arguments.
For every reasonable poster, there are a half dozen or more clamoring to put their ignorance and pomposity on full display.
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I am really serious here: Why do u people egg this guy on??? Ya keep feeding the damn troll ! ! ! put him on IGNORE, Don't quote him, Don't answer him and he will go away ! ! ! 8-)
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I am really serious here: Why do u people egg this guy on??? Ya keep feeding the damn troll ! ! ! put him on IGNORE, Don't quote him, Don't answer him and he will go away ! ! ! 8-)
Thanks for stopping by my thread - can I get you a beer?
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A come from behind victory should be celebrated big time. It says a lot about a team and a so-called program.
We have many self-proclaimed college experts here. People who think themselves highly qualified to opine on coaches and the coach selection process. These people think they have a depth of understanding beyond the rest of us.
However, they have proven themselves unable to identify a team playing with rust from the holiday vacation, a team out of sync. A team a little out of game shape.
This demonstration of WOJO hate has shown them for what they are. Thanks guys for calling them out. Amen.
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A come from behind victory should be celebrated big time. It says a lot about a team and a so-called program.
We have many self-proclaimed college experts here. People who think themselves highly qualified to opine on coaches and the coach selection process. These people think they have a depth of understanding beyond the rest of us.
However, they have proven themselves unable to identify a team playing with rust from the holiday vacation, a team out of sync. A team a little out of game shape.
This demonstration of WOJO hate has shown them for what they are. Thanks guys for calling them out. Amen.
"so called program". ???????????
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A come from behind victory should be celebrated big time. It says a lot about a team and a so-called program.
We have many self-proclaimed college experts here. People who think themselves highly qualified to opine on coaches and the coach selection process. These people think they have a depth of understanding beyond the rest of us.
However, they have proven themselves unable to identify a team playing with rust from the holiday vacation, a team out of sync. A team a little out of game shape.
This demonstration of WOJO hate has shown them for what they are. Thanks guys for calling them out. Amen.
You forgot " tired team" Amen.
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Is 5dollar 4never’s alt account?
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Ners?
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There are so many legitimate things to criticize Wojo for. This sh*t just hurts your cause.
Agreed..if anything, it’s the one thing Wojo and his staff do quite well is the relationship and bonding with players. Wojo drives me nuts too, but for a coach with a weak NCAAT resume, his staff recruits pretty damn well. His players seem to love him for the most part, and that’s not a bad thing as long as they respect him, which his halftime talk seems to have supported.
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Sad day when we win and the board is as negative as when we lose.
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Very demoralizing to see those reactions, and takes some of the fun out of the win to read this stuff. Don’t understand the vitriol for a coach outweighing being a fan of your team and enjoying the entertainment of a comeback like that. Does it mean the team and program is where I want it to be? No, but the team had enough heart and fight in them to claw their way back a steal a W it looked like they weren’t going to get. There was some great hustle and clutch plays that showed fight and continued growth of some players. I am thankful to have MU games to watch and I am going to support the guys busting their asses in the jersey I root for. With all the other challenges in life right now, I sure as hell am not going to spew venom and be consumed with negativity after we stole a win on the road. While brutal to watch, there is almost always some level of sluggishness and ugly play coming off a break. Sometimes as fans I think people, myself included at times, can take things too personally as if the performance is a reflection of them in some fashion. Seems to be a lot of that going on here.
Can’t imagine how it would feel reading some of the stuff on here as a player, parent of a player, recruit, or yes, even a coach (though it comes with the territory and they are well compensated for it) after an exciting win.
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Ners?
No Ners has talking points that make him easy to figure out. 5dollar is so over the top, that he either has no clue what he is talking about and/or is a troll.
Imagine being so obsessed with Wojo that you can't celebrate that second half. So obsessed that you are upset that the players celebrated afterwards AND MU had the audacity to post it on their Twitter feed.
Some people need to put things in perspective. Everybody wants to win. Everybody wants to do better. It may not work out in the long run, but if you can't celebrate victories why even bother with sports?
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Don’t worry 5DollarPitcher, Wojo will continue to coach like a chump, this team will go nowhere, and you will be vindicated against these bandwagon slurpers.
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Ewing flat out sucks as a coach, aina?
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Ewing flat out sucks as a coach, aina?
Amen. I would take Wojo any day of the week ahead of him.
The good news for Georgetown is that this debacle will eventually allow them to move on from the Thompson era.
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Don’t worry 5DollarPitcher, Wojo will continue to coach like a chump, this team will go nowhere, and you will be vindicated against these bandwagon slurpers.
Actually most don't see a bright future for Wojo at MU. But bitching because they celebrated after the win is really dumb.
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This is where a school falls in love with an alum and deduces he/she can coach because they were terrific college players and therefore loyal to the program, hey?
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Halftime: “This team looks uninterested. Even they’ve figured out their coach is a dope.”
After coming back from 18 down to win on the road: “What an embarrassment the team mobbed Wojo in the locker room.”
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This is where a school falls in love with an alum and deduces he/she can coach because they were terrific college players and therefore loyal to the program, hey?
Well he was a longtime NBA assistant who was thought of pretty highly and was mentioned for head coaching gigs.
But in retrospect, there was likely a reason he was a longtime assistant.
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Think about it, isn't just about everyone a flyer until they are really a head coach at the level they will be coaching at?
Maybe Wojo is a master at keeping his job. Got to give him credit about being brilliant at something.
A much better than average recruiter and ability to get high level transfers.
A fair game coach although we can hope he can continue to improve.
An excellent coach to represent the university.
A very good coach to keep the team a close family and unified when there is a bunch of noise outside.
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The only thing more embarrassing than how unprepared we looked in the first half is MUScoop. Had all these sarcastic posts about how great it’ll be to see the excellent adjustments Wojo makes down 16 at half. Then come back and win by 4 and Wojo made no adjustments it’s just Pat Ewing sucks. Our first half can suck, GTown can suck, and we can have played really hard in the second half. We got a road win while playing terrible basketball for 30 minutes.
It's true, there were some posts about adjustments, one of which was mine. As nyg pointed out, there were adjustments. They started going to the hoop and cutting down on last-second heaves from downtown. OK, maybe not genius, but a tactical change for sure - and Wojo gets the credit.
You can't be ragging on a guy when things are going badly and then ignore his input when things change/improve.
As for the win coming because of GT's incompetence, there may be a kernel of truth in the argument, but to chalk the result up to only that is to denigrate the kids' effort and the coach's
direction. GT's miscues down the stretch may very likely be at least partly due to the fact that our team's hard work and the adjustments made by the staff erased a sizeable lead and made things tight.
I find it incomprehensible that people would bad-mouth the team for celebrating a victory. I was certainly happy to see us pull it out, but I'm just a fan who gets to see MU ball 20-30 times a year. Think of all the man-hours that get put into the program by these young men. Training, practices, study halls, film work. They are a well-defined group and spend a lot of time together.
That's true every year, but more so this year given Covid. They've made sacrifices to give up a lot of other social contact to put in the hard work so we have basketball this year. They deserve to celebrate each and every win.
Personally, I don't feel that Wojo has demonstrated satisfactory progress in his developmental curve as a head coach. There seems to have been some progress, but slowly, slowly. The BOT is apparently happy, and carping posters will not have any significant input. I wish him success be-cause I want success for MU, but it's hard to argue that this thread is not aptly named.
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Y'all, the first half wasn't the result of bad coaching. We got open looks, we didn't make them. The defense wasn't great but it was passable. We adjusted at half time, started going inside every possession, clamped down on defense and won the game. Is it an impressive win? unnatural carnal knowledge no. But it's hardly a condemnation of Wojo. Oklahoma state was a condemnation of Wojo. Villanova was a condemnation of Wojo. This was just a game.
Believe it or not, not every bad performance is due to poor coaching. Unless you believe Wojo should be on the court taking the shots.
While I agree we missed some makeable shots, we did not get a ton of good looks in the first half. Standing around while one guy dribbled and letting the clock run. We really attacked the hoop in the last 10-12 minutes and that opened everything up and got us in a better flow. I think ball movement needs to be better for this team.
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It's true, there were some posts about adjustments, one of which was mine. As nyg pointed out, there were adjustments. They started going to the hoop and cutting down on last-second heaves from downtown. OK, maybe not genius, but a tactical change for sure - and Wojo gets the credit.
You can't be ragging on a guy when things are going badly and then ignore his input when things change/improve.
As for the win coming because of GT's incompetence, there may be a kernel of truth in the argument, but to chalk the result up to only that is to denigrate the kids' effort and the coach's
direction. GT's miscues down the stretch may very likely be at least partly due to the fact that our team's hard work and the adjustments made by the staff erased a sizeable lead and made things tight.
I find it incomprehensible that people would bad-mouth the team for celebrating a victory. I was certainly happy to see us pull it out, but I'm just a fan who gets to see MU ball 20-30 times a year. Think of all the man-hours that get put into the program by these young men. Training, practices, study halls, film work. They are a well-defined group and spend a lot of time together.
That's true every year, but more so this year given Covid. They've made sacrifices to give up a lot of other social contact to put in the hard work so we have basketball this year. They deserve to celebrate each and every win.
Personally, I don't feel that Wojo has demonstrated satisfactory progress in his developmental curve as a head coach. There seems to have been some progress, but slowly, slowly. The BOT is apparently happy, and carping posters will not have any significant input. I wish him success be-cause I want success for MU, but it's hard to argue that this thread is not aptly named.
This is really an excellent post.
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https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1345565985613488131?s=21
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
I look at is as being really happy for pulling out a game they had no right to win after a dismal 30 minutes of basketball. More fun to pull a game like that out than to win coast to coast by 20. Life is too short not to celebrate the positive.
I'm not terribly happy with how they played, but I was very happy that they pulled it out (or that Georgetown gave us the game back, if you prefer).
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I look at is as being really happy for pulling out a game they had no right to win after a dismal 30 minutes of basketball. More fun to pull a game like that out than to win coast to coast by 20. Life is too short not to celebrate the positive.
I'm not terribly happy with how they played, but I was very happy that they pulled it out (or that Georgetown gave us the game back, if you prefer).
I have no problem for a team to let off some steam and have some fun after a victory, particularly after 3 loses. Playing in a cracker box gym with no fans, has to be
challenging to get up for. They finally woke up in the second half and somehow won considering there poor shooting performance. Lewis was given the shot at the top
of the key all night and went 0-6. Other than Cain they shot the ball like 4th graders, bad. 1-17, they should not have even won. You can blame the coach but bad
shooting is on the players as well. They were not much better from the free throw line, 9-17, basically a bad night. But it is better to win ugly, then to lose. UConn
game can be building block for a better season, we will see.
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I am really serious here: Why do u people egg this guy on??? Ya keep feeding the damn troll ! ! ! put him on IGNORE, Don't quote him, Don't answer him and he will go away ! ! ! 8-)
Exactly what I have said over the years about engaging with Chico.
These guys, for lack of a better word, are just jerks. As you say, ignore them.
As has been said numerous times: don’t argue with a fool, people will not be able to tell the difference.
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I look at is as being really happy for pulling out a game they had no right to win after a dismal 30 minutes of basketball. More fun to pull a game like that out than to win coast to coast by 20. Life is too short not to celebrate the positive.
I'm not terribly happy with how they played, but I was very happy that they pulled it out (or that Georgetown gave us the game back, if you prefer).
Agree 100%. You ALWAYS celebrate a comeback or improbable win even if you played poorly. The most iconic photo of Al (maybe with the exception of him weeping on the sidelines at the end of the National Championship game) was of him standing on the scorer’s table after Mo Lucas hit a 20 footer at the buzzer to beat UW. In the background, the Hughes twins Father giving Al the finger, Hank dancing on the court, etc. Didn’t matter that we were a huge favorite of that we played a poor game. Victories like that need to be celebrated.
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
Basically how I feel about the Bears. I want the Packers to crush them today so ownership might actually clean house which is what is needed for long term success
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
I wanna dance
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
A without a doubt. If MU continues to make the dance we could always have a hot run or just luck into a win or two. For those who actively root against Wojo he might get hired away which would make their day.
There is no plus side for B other than all of the MU “fans” can say they were right that a Duke guy wasn’t a good fit which is really all they care about. There is no guarantee the next coach will be any better. Take the Bears analogy, they have had 7 coaches since they last won a Super Bowl (Ditka, Wannstedt, Jauron, Smith, Trestman, Fox, Nagy). Each had a season at most which gave some hope but in the end it has been 35 years of mediocrity.
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Y'all, the first half wasn't the result of bad coaching. We got open looks, we didn't make them. The defense wasn't great but it was passable. We adjusted at half time, started going inside every possession, clamped down on defense and won the game. Is it an impressive win? unnatural carnal knowledge no. But it's hardly a condemnation of Wojo. Oklahoma state was a condemnation of Wojo. Villanova was a condemnation of Wojo. This was just a game.
Believe it or not, not every bad performance is due to poor coaching. Unless you believe Wojo should be on the court taking the shots.
Sometimes MU’s 3’s are not in rhythm. Flat footed, chucking 3’a by players that need to take less 3’s less often happens sometimes with this team as well. It isn’t a great shooting team. Greg is our best shooter, 3’s FT’s etc...We need more players that can shoot at his level. I’d like to see MU’s front court players establish inside first, get to the line, knock em down, and then draw defenders out towards the perimeter after that. Too often MU is doing the opposite.
How many games this year have we seen early 3 clanks from Lewis, Garcia, etc that aren’t the best option those times down the floor?
Making the extra pass, less dribble pound, with good spacing happens sometimes but not often enough.
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It's true, there were some posts about adjustments, one of which was mine. As nyg pointed out, there were adjustments. They started going to the hoop and cutting down on last-second heaves from downtown. OK, maybe not genius, but a tactical change for sure - and Wojo gets the credit.
You can't be ragging on a guy when things are going badly and then ignore his input when things change/improve.
As for the win coming because of GT's incompetence, there may be a kernel of truth in the argument, but to chalk the result up to only that is to denigrate the kids' effort and the coach's
direction. GT's miscues down the stretch may very likely be at least partly due to the fact that our team's hard work and the adjustments made by the staff erased a sizeable lead and made things tight.
I find it incomprehensible that people would bad-mouth the team for celebrating a victory. I was certainly happy to see us pull it out, but I'm just a fan who gets to see MU ball 20-30 times a year. Think of all the man-hours that get put into the program by these young men. Training, practices, study halls, film work. They are a well-defined group and spend a lot of time together.
That's true every year, but more so this year given Covid. They've made sacrifices to give up a lot of other social contact to put in the hard work so we have basketball this year. They deserve to celebrate each and every win.
Personally, I don't feel that Wojo has demonstrated satisfactory progress in his developmental curve as a head coach. There seems to have been some progress, but slowly, slowly. The BOT is apparently happy, and carping posters will not have any significant input. I wish him success be-cause I want success for MU, but it's hard to argue that this thread is not aptly named.
Sticky this post and lock the thread. This take is irrefutable.
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There is no plus side for B other than all of the MU “fans” can say they were right that a Duke guy wasn’t a good fit which is really all they care about.
The plus side is that we expedite our needed rebuild and separate ourselves from a guy that has proven (to some or most on this board) that he can’t win at the level that we expect (no not Kansas, Nova but much better than what we are now).
There is no plus side to A besides adding a year to the “NCAA tournament appearances” banner. We’ll remain in this quagmire until we actually get some confidence and change something. Wojo is probably not taking us to a Sweet Sixteen, DEFINITELY not an Elite Eight or Final Four and he’s not winning the Big East regular season or conference tourney any time soon. Anybody that wants to continue to play “wait and see” is free to have that opinion but don’t shift the goalposts when we continue to fall short at every season’s end.
This is not about me being “right” and saying haha I told you so. If anything people that are hanging onto Projo are praying for that day. I just want to be able to watch an MUBB program that can legitimately compete for something of value. Wojo’s teams can’t.
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Basically how I feel about the Bears. I want the Packers to crush them today so ownership might actually clean house which is what is needed for long term success
Aren’t you the person that was helping crucify me for not being an MU fan?? Does this make you not a Bears fan?
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
If only there was a way they could change the trajectory by winning the next two games against two pretty tough opponents in UCONN and Nova. UCONN is a long, athletic team with a certified stud in Bouknight. That will be a tough game, and it's a must win going into Nova, which they'll almost surely lose. Drop both and they'll be 2-5 in the BE with rematches against UCONN, Seton Hall, and Creighton still to be played. They'll have very little margin for error against the bottom of the conference.
If MU can't beat UCONN on Tuesday, it truly seems like we'll be trending towards another .500 finish in conference. Very frustrating.
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There is no guarantee the next coach will be any better.
Come on. This is the worst reason to keep a coach. Even the slurpiest of Wojo slurpers will admit that.
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Aren’t you the person that was helping crucify me for not being an MU fan?? Does this make you not a Bears fan?
Yeah that post was definitely a head scratcher.
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Aren’t you the person that was helping crucify me for not being an MU fan?? Does this make you not a Bears fan?
I can say I'm ready for the program to move on from Wojo. Whatever results get us to that point is fine by me.
I can also say it's perfectly fine for the players to celebrate a come from 18 points behind road conference win.
You're a bad MU fan if you denigrate the players for celebrating last night's victory.
You're not a bad MU fan if you would have preferred a loss so the program moved toward new leadership.
See the difference?
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Yeah that post was definitely a head scratcher.
See below.
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I can say I'm ready for the program to move on from Wojo. Whatever results get us to that point is fine by me.
I can also say it's perfectly fine for the players to celebrate a come from 18 points behind road conference win.
You're a bad MU fan if you denigrate the players for celebrating last night's victory.
You're not a bad MU fan if you would have preferred a loss so the program moved toward new leadership.
See the difference?
Go and find me the post where I “denigrated the players for celebrating a win”. I said, in my opinion, Wojo’s response to it should’ve been different to keep a long-term perspective about this season.
Some of you that hate my posts play telephone with the things I say to create an ludicrous strawman that’s not even close to what I said in the first place.
See how that’s different?
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Go and find me the post where I “denigrated the players for celebrating a win”. I said, in my opinion, Wojo’s response to it should’ve been different to keep a long-term perspective about this season.
Some of you that hate my posts play telephone with the things I say to create an ludicrous strawman that’s not even close to what I said in the first place.
See how that’s different?
Agreed. Your posts are sh*tty all on their own. No need for people to exaggerate.
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I can say I'm ready for the program to move on from Wojo. Whatever results get us to that point is fine by me.
I can also say it's perfectly fine for the players to celebrate a come from 18 points behind road conference win.
You're a bad MU fan if you denigrate the players for celebrating last night's victory.
You're not a bad MU fan if you would have preferred a loss so the program moved toward new leadership.
See the difference?
I think a loss would've been better for the program in the long term. We didn't deserve to win that game, and only pulled it out because of Georgetown's poor play, which was some of the worst I've seen from a supposed high major in all my years watching basketball. Marquette was never going to get rid of Wojo after this season, but losses like last night (if we had lost) would make it harder for the BOT to justify keeping him around. But we won, and Wojo has once again done just enough to skate by. Now, if he was able to win the next two (not just UCONN), I might start getting excited again about the prospects for this season. But it seems like we're again headed for .500ish and middle of the pack in conference.
I don't have a problem with the players celebrating a come-from-behind win, even if it was against a team playing grade school level basketball. The whole "we haven't won anything yet, so stop celebrating" approach might've worked for Joe Paterno in 1975, but Wojo hasn't earned the right to take that kind of stance with his players. So the celebration was what it was. However, I think it's kind of busch league for the social media team to be posting it on Twitter like it was the biggest win we've had in ten years. I felt the same way when MU posted tweets begging to be let into the NIT during the Ellenson year. I get it, posting positive stuff on social is the PR team's job, but the product they're trying to sell us is just so...Arby's.
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Great.
So now we have fans who are openly rooting for the team to lose because they think it’s in the beat long term interests of the program.
What a bunch of buffoons.
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Great.
So now we have fans who are openly rooting for the team to lose because they think it’s in the beat long term interests of the program.
What a bunch of buffoons.
Someone (one of the moderators) posed the question. At this point in Wojo’s tenure, with the results he’s had and the way the team’s performed this year, it’s probably a valid one to ask. It would be awesome if Marquette could win the next two and change the trajectory of the season. We’ll see if they can make it happen.
What’s it like up there on that high horse, btw?
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I will never understand why people choose to invest their time in something they know will make them miserable. If your two options are MU wins so you’re miserable because the other team sucks and Wojo won’t be fired or MU loses and you’re miserable because you’re sick of what you see from Wojo, why not pick up a hobby or invest your time elsewhere? I just never understand why people would choose to be miserable.
I also don’t understand why people would be expecting anything other than middle of the pack in the BE this year and on the bubble. We lost 3 of the top 4 scorers (1 of which was the all time leading scorer in the history of the BE) from a sub .500 BE bubble team. What did you think this year would be?
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Someone (one of the moderators) posed the question. At this point in Wojo’s tenure, with the results he’s had and the way the team’s performed this year, it’s probably a valid one to ask. It would be awesome if Marquette could win the next two and change the trajectory of the season. We’ll see if they can make it happen.
What’s it like up there on that high horse, btw?
I’m on my high horse for wanting my alma mater to win a basketball game?
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The poster of this thread needs to find more meaning in life than depending on 18-20 year olds playing basketball
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I will never understand why people choose to invest their time in something they know will make them miserable. If your two options are MU wins so you’re miserable because the other team sucks and Wojo won’t be fired or MU loses and you’re miserable because you’re sick of what you see from Wojo, why not pick up a hobby or invest your time elsewhere? I just never understand why people would choose to be miserable.
I also don’t understand why people would be expecting anything other than middle of the pack in the BE this year and on the bubble. We lost 3 of the top 4 scorers (1 of which was the all time leading scorer in the history of the BE) from a sub .500 BE bubble team. What did you think this year would be?
There’s actually three options Wades which is what you can’t seem to grasp:
1. MU loses a lot, Wojo fired, rebuild starts (generally happy and hopeful after we get through the mud of several losses)
2. MU wins some, loses several, finishes .500 in conference, first four out or last four in, no tourney run (big time misery, alma mater is now irrelevant nationally, Sisyphus pushing the boulder up the hill)
3. MU wins a lot, wins a conference tourney OR wins NCAAT games OR is consistently finishing in the top 3 OR wins the Big East regular season title outright (big time happiness, content with the program, MU rah rah)
As you can see option 3 is preferable to all (myself included). Option 3 is impossible for Wojo to pull off, as he’s shown. Next best scenario in terms of general sentiment is option 1 with hope for the future. If option 2 equals happiness for you - then our standards for this program do not align which would explain why we are consistently at odds.
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The poster of this thread needs to find more meaning in life than depending on 18-20 year olds playing basketball
Yet here you are browsing through and posting on a message board largely to discuss 18-20 year olds playing basketball. Introspection might be needed?
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There’s actually three options Wades which is what you can’t seem to grasp:
1. MU loses a lot, Wojo fired, rebuild starts (generally happy and hopeful after we get through the mud of several losses)
2. MU wins some, loses several, finishes .500 in conference, first four out or last four in, no tourney run (big time misery, alma mater is now irrelevant nationally, Sisyphus pushing the boulder up the hill)
3. MU wins a lot, wins a conference tourney OR wins NCAAT games OR is consistently finishing in the top 3 OR wins the Big East regular season title outright (big time happiness, content with the program, MU rah rah)
As you can see option 3 is preferable to all (myself included). Option 3 is impossible for Wojo to pull off, as he’s shown. Next best scenario in terms of general sentiment is option 1 with hope for the future. If option 2 equals happiness for you - then our standards for this program do not align which would explain why we are consistently at odds.
Option 1 isn’t an option this year. Sorry.
I don’t know how you can say option 3 is impossible when we are 2 years removed from being right in the thick of a conference title race, which is what you want. But okay. It’s impossible this year, yes. So the only real option for this year seems to be option 2, which you’re obviously miserable with. So maybe take the year off and check back next year. Maybe a mass exodus of players happens and option 1 becomes possible. Then you can have something to look forward to. Rah rah MU let’s finish last!
I’m not sure MU has ever been first four in or last four out. And if they’re .500 in conference this year, they’ll be solidly in.
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Go and find me the post where I “denigrated the players for celebrating a win”. I said, in my opinion, Wojo’s response to it should’ve been different to keep a long-term perspective about this season.
Some of you that hate my posts play telephone with the things I say to create an ludicrous strawman that’s not even close to what I said in the first place.
See how that’s different?
+1
That's you saying "+1" to this:
Seeing the team celebrate like this after beating Georgetown is just a sad, sad indictment on where the program is at.
So, yes, you did denigrate the players for celebrating the win.
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
Unfortunately a poll would not allow us to see how individuals voted. While Wojo has not been stellar, people were also seriously wanting Crean and Buzz gone. So what is to say the next fellow would fair any better especially with the fans. All it would be is the next coach with fans targeting his removal. Gets old and certainly detracts from enjoying the season and team.
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That's you saying "+1" to this:
So, yes, you did denigrate the players for celebrating the win.
It’s a sad indictment of where the program is at. That’s true. Not denigrating the players denigrating the state of the program.
Also funny that me saying “+1” to a post devolved into what you made it.
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Option 1 isn’t an option this year. Sorry.
I don’t know how you can say option 3 is impossible when we are 2 years removed from being right in the thick of a conference title race, which is what you want. But okay. It’s impossible this year, yes. So the only real option for this year seems to be option 2, which you’re obviously miserable with. So maybe take the year off and check back next year. Maybe a mass exodus of players happens and option 1 becomes possible. Then you can have something to look forward to. Rah rah MU let’s finish last!
I’m not sure MU has ever been first four in or last four out. And if they’re .500 in conference this year, they’ll be solidly in.
Yes MU rah rah to 6th in conference just ahead of DePaul, Gtown, and St John. If you don’t like that you don’t like MU basketball!
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How do you really feel?
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Here is an interesting question.
Ray Meyers the former DePaul Coach during and after Al.
Never seemed to be an over achiever. Also a person who seemed to do enough to be around.
Then one year he gets Mark Aguirre and Terry Cummings and they were in elite status.
Would one want Wojo if this is what he achieves?
If he had achieved this as quickly as Crean with Wade, would everyone be happy with Wojo?
As I recall, Crean didn't make the NCAA the following two years without Wade and it took the Three Amigos and Novak before he returned to the dance.
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Here is an interesting question.
Ray Meyers the former DePaul Coach during and after Al.
Never seemed to be an over achiever. Also a person who seemed to do enough to be around.
Then one year he gets Mark Aguirre and Terry Cummings and they were in elite status.
Would one want Wojo if this is what he achieves?
If he had achieved this as quickly as Crean with Wade, would everyone be happy with Wojo?
As I recall, Crean didn't make the NCAA the following two years without Wade and it took the Three Amigos and Novak before he returned to the dance.
Wojo had a transcendent college talent for 4 years already. We’re going to put a number in the rafters (rightfully so) without putting any team success in the rafters. Make that make sense.
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Here is an interesting question.
Ray Meyers the former DePaul Coach during and after Al.
Never seemed to be an over achiever. Also a person who seemed to do enough to be around.
Then one year he gets Mark Aguirre and Terry Cummings and they were in elite status.
Would one want Wojo if this is what he achieves?
If he had achieved this as quickly as Crean with Wade, would everyone be happy with Wojo?
As I recall, Crean didn't make the NCAA the following two years without Wade and it took the Three Amigos and Novak before he returned to the dance.
Ray built up quite an impressive national resume immediately out of the gate at DePaul. He was hardly just doing enough to keep his job. His first few years at DePaul is considerably better than Wojo.
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Ray built up quite an impressive national resume immediately out of the gate at DePaul. He was hardly just doing enough to keep his job. His first few years at DePaul is considerably better than Wojo.
Meyer made the Final Four in 1979 and lost to Larry Bird in the semis. In 1981, he had the number one team in the country and lost to St Joseph’s in the second round of the tourney.
If Wojo accomplished either of these things, I would be fine.
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How long will you people let this guy play you?
Amazing!!
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Great.
So now we have fans who are openly rooting for the team to lose because they think it’s in the beat long term interests of the program.
What a bunch of buffoons.
This may get me tossed into Dr. Pepper fanville jail but after all these years I have found it doesn't really matter to the final outcome if someone roots for or against MU to win...
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This may get me tossed into Dr. Pepper fanville jail but after all these years I have found it doesn't really matter to the final outcome if someone roots for or against MU to win...
Ten Marquette game days without Dr. Pepper.
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Don’t worry 5DollarPitcher, Wojo will continue to coach like a chump, this team will go nowhere, and you will be vindicated against these bandwagon slurpers.
Vindication for hoping Marquette loses? No.
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Probably should have a poll:
Would you rather ..
A) Continue onward with this season's trajectory, a .500 season, maybe with the right combination of wins get into the dance (or no post-season.)
B) Lose an unequivocal amount of games that MU makes a change and parts ways with Wojo
Short term vs. long term.
I'm gonna add a little nuance to this ...
If we have one game to go and a win might or might not push us to the right side of the bubble, and somebody is convinced Wojo isn't the right coach for our program and that a loss would result in him being fired, I could maybe -- maybe -- see a fan "rooting" for a loss.
To me, that's similar to hoping your NFL team loses its last game so it can secure the No. 1 overall draft pick.
But on Jan. 2 -- with a 5-5 record, two top-10 wins already on the resume and most of the season still ahead of us -- hoping for a loss to Georgetown and then a whole bunch of future losses so that maybe, just maybe, Wojo will get fired (and he might not be)?
To me, that's similar to wanting a 3-3 NFL team to go 0-10 to improve its draft position.
That makes no sense, and IMHO it's not something a real fan does.
BTW, in the first scenario I describe, knowing myself, I doubt I'd root for Marquette to lose ... but I'd have had no problem rooting for the Panthers to lose their final game or two if doing so would have gotten them Trevor Lawrence.
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Yet here you are browsing through and posting on a message board largely to discuss 18-20 year olds playing basketball. Introspection might be needed?
Its merely a casual purpose for me. To have such purposeful negativity takes a new level of obsession. Talk about projection...
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Its merely a casual purpose for me. To have such purposeful negativity takes a new level of obsession. Talk about projection...
If you think my 600 or so posts on here over 4 years constitute an obsession that takes over my whole life, you’re delusional. I come here to bitch about our terrible coach and vent after crapty games. Deal with it.
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If you think my 600 or so posts on here over 4 years constitute an obsession that takes over my whole life, you’re delusional. I come here to bitch about our terrible coach and vent after crapty games. Deal with it.
Very cool.
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If you think my 600 or so posts on here over 4 years constitute an obsession that takes over my whole life, you’re delusional. I come here to bitch about our terrible coach and vent after crapty games. Deal with it.
You'd hate to use a fan site to express joy when things are going well. Because then you might actually be confused with being a Marquette fan.
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You'd hate to use a fan site to express joy when things are going well. Because then you might actually be confused with being a Marquette fan.
What?
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Very cool.
Not even remotely a brag. Nice 13,000 posts tho.
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Just when you thought we had reached a tipping point loss, Wojo gets bailed out by a Lewis takeover and embarrassing incompetence from Georgetown.
I’ve never seen a coach so apt at doing the bare minimum to keep his job. Bravo Steve, bravo.
You sound like negative nanny.
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You sound like negative nanny.
0% chance he isn't a Karen in real life
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Not even remotely a brag. Nice 13,000 posts tho.
Thank you! I don’t come onto an internet message board only when the team I claim to be a fan of loses or plays poorly. But hey, to each their own I guess.
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Thank you! I don’t come onto an internet message board only when the team I claim to be a fan of loses or plays poorly. But hey, to each their own I guess.
Do we need to go down this road Wades? Will you ever grow up?
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I really don’t. I’ll stop them the day he’s fired or the day we remove ourselves from the quagmire of mediocrity he has created.
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Hire Shaka?
...reference to TX dumping a high-priced football coach rather than continue to wallow in mediocrity as MU does with Wojo.
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Do we need to go down this road Wades? Will you ever grow up?
Will I grow up? Sorry. I forgot that I was the one trying to burn someone by bringing up their number of posts? After coming on here and telling everyone they just come on here to let off some heat and vent when their “favorite team” sucks.
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Will I grow up? Sorry. I forgot that I was the one trying to burn someone by bringing up their number of posts? After coming on here and telling everyone they just come on here to let off some heat and vent when their “favorite team” sucks.
Is that not what a fan message board is about? You say it as if it’s absurd. I’m not hurting anybody - besides maybe your feelings?
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Is that not what a fan message board is about? You say it as if it’s absurd. I’m not hurting anybody - besides maybe your feelings?
Yes, it’s pretty absurd to only come on a message board when the team you claim to like sucks.
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Yes, it’s pretty absurd to only come on a message board when the team you claim to like sucks.
I’m here after good wins too. You even acknowledged it in a thread after the UW game. I don’t plan my life around posting on MUScoop as someone with 13,000 posts might, but I’m around.
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I’m here after good wins too. You even acknowledged it in a thread after the UW game. I don’t plan my life around posting on MUScoop as someone with 13,000 posts might, but I’m around.
Don’t take it from me. These aren’t my words.
If you think my 600 or so posts on here over 4 years constitute an obsession that takes over my whole life, you’re delusional. I come here to bitch about our terrible coach and vent after crapty games. Deal with it.
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Don’t take it from me. These aren’t my words.
Did I say exclusively that? No I didn’t. You’re pretty good at trying to play semantics though - I’ll give you that.
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...reference to TX dumping a high-priced football coach rather than continue to wallow in mediocrity as MU does with Wojo.
Better do some fundraising.
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Did I say exclusively that? No I didn’t. You’re pretty good at trying to play semantics though - I’ll give you that.
Sorry for reading what you wrote. Your take is you only have 600 posts (I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with the number of posts people have, but congrats on that) so it’s obviously not an obsession, you just vent after the team you claim to be a fan of sucks. If that’s not what you meant, I apologize for what you wrote.
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Sorry for reading what you wrote. Your take is you only have 600 posts (I don’t know why you’re so obsessed with the number of posts people have, but congrats on that) so it’s obviously not an obsession, you just vent after the team you claim to be a fan of sucks. If that’s not what you meant, I apologize for what you wrote.
Are we really doing this right now? Lol. You are a sad person.
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Are we really doing this right now? Lol. You are a sad person.
Says the guy who tells everyone how many posts he has and how he just comes here to blow off steam when we suck. Yes. I’m the sad person.
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Says the guy who tells everyone how many posts he has and how he just comes here to blow off steam when we suck. Yes. I’m the sad person.
Just so sad
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Hey, at least A Dollar Short soon will be able to say he has 700 posts!