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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 27, 2014, 01:43:05 PM
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Marquette's Chances with Henry Ellenson
Rice Lake - After spending the day up here, I'd say they're pretty good.
It's just a coincidence that the Rice Lake Warriors wear Marquette-like uniforms, but every little thing helps when it comes to recruiting one of the best players in the country.
Henry Ellenson is that good. He might be the best basketball player to ever come out of Wisconsin, going back to Joe Wolf and, later, Latrell Sprewell. At almost 6-11, Ellenson handles the ball like a point guard and shoots the three like a two guard. He is freakishly quick defensively. You can't guard him with a big man because he'll take him outside and shoot. A smaller, quicker defender is going to get posted up.
Of course, it's a bonus that Marquette signed Ellenson's brother, Wally, to a scholarship. The family is very close. Steve Wojciechowski's shrewd move didn't hurt one bit. But the new coach still has to contend with Michigan State's Tom Izzo and Kentucky's John Calipari, two of the best closers in the business.
Izzo made his on-campus pitch last weekend. Ellenson will make his official visit to Marquette this weekend. He will go to Kentucky on Oct. 17. It's hard to compete with Kentucky and Michigan State offers, but to see the Ellenson family together - sister Ella, a 10th-grade Division I prospect, was working out with Henry on Thursday in the Rice Lake gym while both parents, former college players themselves, looked on - is to know how deep their family ties run.
Marquette also has an impressive track record of putting players in the NBA, which is what Henry is about. In fact, the Golden Eagles' have had a much better run at it than Michigan State. Ellenson might be good enough to be one-and-done, which happens to be Kentucky's specialty. Even if Ellenson is in school for only a year, it's interesting to project what he might do alongside center Luke Fischer, forward Gabe Levin, guard Duane Wilson and 2015 four-star recruit Haanif Cheatham.
If Wojo lands Ellenson, the '15 class, with Cheatham, center Matt Heldt and point guard Nick Noskowiak so far, just might be the best in the country. Cheatham is a big-time Florida prospect and in-state players Noskowiak and Heldt are four-star prospects, but Ellenson is off the charts.
Ellenson is a remarkable talent, but I was also impressed with his character and personality. Whoever gets him is going to be one lucky team for however long he stays.
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Rice Lake - After spending the day up here, I'd say they're pretty good.
It's just a coincidence that the Rice Lake Warriors wear Marquette-like uniforms, but every little thing helps when it comes to recruiting one of the best players in the country.
Henry Ellenson is that good. He might be the best basketball player to ever come out of Wisconsin, going back to Joe Wolf and, later, Latrell Sprewell. At almost 6-11, Ellenson handles the ball like a point guard and shoots the three like a two guard. He is freakishly quick defensively. You can't guard him with a big man because he'll take him outside and shoot. A smaller, quicker defender is going to get posted up.
Of course, it's a bonus that Marquette signed Ellenson's brother, Wally, to a scholarship. The family is very close. Steve Wojciechowski's shrewd move didn't hurt one bit. But the new coach still has to contend with Michigan State's Tom Izzo and Kentucky's John Calipari, two of the best closers in the business.
Izzo made his on-campus pitch last weekend. Ellenson will make his official visit to Marquette this weekend. He will go to Kentucky on Oct. 17. It's hard to compete with Kentucky and Michigan State offers, but to see the Ellenson family together - sister Ella, a 10th-grade Division I prospect, was working out with Henry on Thursday in the Rice Lake gym while both parents, former college players themselves, looked on - is to know how deep their family ties run.
Marquette also has an impressive track record of putting players in the NBA, which is what Henry is about. In fact, the Golden Eagles' have had a much better run at it than Michigan State. Ellenson might be good enough to be one-and-done, which happens to be Kentucky's specialty. Even if Ellenson is in school for only a year, it's interesting to project what he might do alongside center Luke Fischer, forward Gabe Levin, guard Duane Wilson and 2015 four-star recruit Haanif Cheatham.
If Wojo lands Ellenson, the '15 class, with Cheatham, center Matt Heldt and point guard Nick Noskowiak so far, just might be the best in the country. Cheatham is a big-time Florida prospect and in-state players Noskowiak and Heldt are four-star prospects, but Ellenson is off the charts.
Ellenson is a remarkable talent, but I was also impressed with his character and personality. Whoever gets him is going to be one lucky team for however long he stays.
Hunt made up for all his usual weak reporting with this fine effort.
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Thanks for providing. Well-written and informative.
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Nice post. Only quibble is that we will not have the best class in the country. Under any circumstances. Longshot for top 5.
And we all should be ecstatic at that.
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Marquette's Chances with Henry Ellenson
Rice Lake - After spending the day up here, I'd say they're pretty good.
It's just a coincidence that the Rice Lake Warriors wear Marquette-like uniforms, but every little thing helps when it comes to recruiting one of the best players in the country.
Henry Ellenson is that good. He might be the best basketball player to ever come out of Wisconsin, going back to Joe Wolf and, later, Latrell Sprewell. At almost 6-11, Ellenson handles the ball like a point guard and shoots the three like a two guard. He is freakishly quick defensively. You can't guard him with a big man because he'll take him outside and shoot. A smaller, quicker defender is going to get posted up.
Of course, it's a bonus that Marquette signed Ellenson's brother, Wally, to a scholarship. The family is very close. Steve Wojciechowski's shrewd move didn't hurt one bit. But the new coach still has to contend with Michigan State's Tom Izzo and Kentucky's John Calipari, two of the best closers in the business.
Izzo made his on-campus pitch last weekend. Ellenson will make his official visit to Marquette this weekend. He will go to Kentucky on Oct. 17. It's hard to compete with Kentucky and Michigan State offers, but to see the Ellenson family together - sister Ella, a 10th-grade Division I prospect, was working out with Henry on Thursday in the Rice Lake gym while both parents, former college players themselves, looked on - is to know how deep their family ties run.
Marquette also has an impressive track record of putting players in the NBA, which is what Henry is about. In fact, the Golden Eagles' have had a much better run at it than Michigan State. Ellenson might be good enough to be one-and-done, which happens to be Kentucky's specialty. Even if Ellenson is in school for only a year, it's interesting to project what he might do alongside center Luke Fischer, forward Gabe Levin, guard Duane Wilson and 2015 four-star recruit Haanif Cheatham.
If Wojo lands Ellenson, the '15 class, with Cheatham, center Matt Heldt and point guard Nick Noskowiak so far, just might be the best in the country. Cheatham is a big-time Florida prospect and in-state players Noskowiak and Heldt are four-star prospects, but Ellenson is off the charts.
Ellenson is a remarkable talent, but I was also impressed with his character and personality. Whoever gets him is going to be one lucky team for however long he stays.
have not seen him play, but the best HS player from Wisconsin. That is a tough one. Have seen some great ones: Freddy Brown from Lincoln; Sewell from Grafton; Pieper from Wausaukee or wherever; Don Kojis from (Pius or Messmer), and Blanton Simmons from North. Tony Smith, etc.
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I agree with you willie. To say that Henry "might be the best basketball player to ever come out of Wisconsin" is a bit of a stretch and might set expectations too high.
Joe Wolf, Wes Matthews, Jim Chones, and the ones you mentioned. This state does not lack for high quality basketball talent.
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I'm down with Henry. If he's half the playa Chones was, we'll be cuttin' down some nets.
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Hunt made up for all his usual weak reporting with this fine effort.
Tough to be a reporter the last 5 or 6 years when the coach was cutting you off at the balls and knees, that being said he still wasn't very good. Maybe he's getting his second wind now that Burt is gone and their is a human being that isn't a psychotic mental case at the head of MU hoops that he can actually have conversations with now and again.
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Tough to be a reporter the last 5 or 6 years when the coach was cutting you off at the balls and knees, that being said he still wasn't very good. Maybe he's getting his second wind now that Burt is gone and their is a human being that isn't a psychotic mental case at the head of MU hoops that he can actually have conversations with now and again.
Agreed.
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Tough to be a reporter the last 5 or 6 years when the coach was cutting you off at the balls and knees, that being said he still wasn't very good. Maybe he's getting his second wind now that Burt is gone and their there is a human being that isn't a psychotic mental case at the head of MU hoops that he can actually have conversations with now and again.
Fixed that one for ya. ;)
Anyhow, the most annoying thing about Hunt from the past year was that he got easy facts wrong in every single article he wrote. He would write the wrong upcoming opponent's name in some articles. Maybe it was just to spite Bert, I don't know. But he just seems to be an incredibly lazy reporter.
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Fixed that one for ya. ;)
Anyhow, the most annoying thing about Hunt from the past year was that he got easy facts wrong in every single article he wrote. He would write the wrong upcoming opponent's name in some articles. Maybe it was just to spite Bert, I don't know. But he just seems to be an incredibly lazy reporter.
There is much evidence to suggest that Hunt was a lazy reporter. But to his defense, he went from a long-time columnist to beat reporter. And I think the JS did that to force him to retire, but Hunt wasn't going to make it easy for him.
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have not seen him play, but the best HS player from Wisconsin. That is a tough one. Have seen some great ones: Freddy Brown from Lincoln; Sewell from Grafton; Pieper from Wausaukee or wherever; Don Kojis from (Pius or Messmer), and Blanton Simmons from North. Tony Smith, etc.
I hate these types of prognostications. Impossible for a kid to live up to that stuff. Hope he comes to MU, but he's a big and bigs take a few years to get going. People are already expecting way too much of Luke right now...he'll be good, but not very good for quite some time. Ellenson likely the same.
I truly feel bad for some of the expectations we put on these kids.
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I hate these types of prognostications. Impossible for a kid to live up to that stuff. Hope he comes to MU, but he's a big and bigs take a few years to get going. People are already expecting way too much of Luke right now...he'll be good, but not very good for quite some time. Ellenson likely the same.
I truly feel bad for some of the expectations we put on these kids.
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have not seen him play, but the best HS player from Wisconsin. That is a tough one. Have seen some great ones: Freddy Brown from Lincoln; Sewell from Grafton; Pieper from Wausaukee or wherever; Don Kojis from (Pius or Messmer), and Blanton Simmons from North. Tony Smith, etc.
Don Kojis, Notre Dame HS, Southside MKE!
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I'm down with Henry. If he's half the playa Chones was, we'll be cuttin' down some nets.
I love your optimism, but ...
Chones was 100% the playa Chones was, and he didn't cut down the nets in either of his two seasons at Marquette. And that was despite being surrounded by Lackey, Meminger, McNeill and Washington.
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I hate these types of prognostications. Impossible for a kid to live up to that stuff. Hope he comes to MU, but he's a big and bigs take a few years to get going. People are already expecting way too much of Luke right now...he'll be good, but not very good for quite some time. Ellenson likely the same.
I truly feel bad for some of the expectations we put on these kids.
Reminds me of brian Butch's high school coach comparing him to Bill Walton... And then he redshirted
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I love your optimism, but ...
Chones was 100% the playa Chones was, and he didn't cut down the nets in either of his two seasons at Marquette. And that was despite being surrounded by Lackey, Meminger, McNeill and Washington.
He only played in 1 1/2 seasons and lost one game to a ref that fouled Dean out, first time in 90 some games, 3 charging calls, are you kidding me, the ref apolgized to Al later in life.
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I agree that articles like this one might raise the expectations to high, but I think it is good when reporters make the program's future sound exciting. A positive buzz about the program will increase the fan base.
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I agree that articles like this one might raise the expectations to high, but I think it is good when reporters make the program's future sound exciting. A positive buzz about the program will increase the fan base.
This upcoming year as I see it will be a transition year, the following year they will be young and growing, but in 3 years when they have 12 players back they should be really good. A team
of Fisher a senior, Ellenson a soph, Burton a senior with JJJ a senior and Cheatham a soph, then Duane at the point or Dawson or even Nick add Heldt as a back-up, Levin as a back-up, that
is a good 10 players and Cohen and the other Ellenson might surprise, you are pretty deep, really deep.
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This upcoming year as I see it will be a transition year, the following year they will be young and growing, but in 3 years when they have 12 players back they should be really good. A team
of Fisher a senior, Ellenson a soph, Burton a senior with JJJ a senior and Cheatham a soph, then Duane at the point or Dawson or even Nick add Heldt as a back-up, Levin as a back-up, that
is a good 10 players and Cohen and the other Ellenson might surprise, you are pretty deep, really deep.
Agree this is a transition year of sorts....yet in my view it is a transition from what will be a good team (this year), to a VERY, VERY good, if not great team NEXT year. Think it can happen that quickly. Now if you go out 2 years from this year as you did above, and with the assumptions that Burton and Henry are both on the team that year (I have no idea if Henry is truly good enough to be a one and done..never seen him play..yet many Top 10 recruits often have that potential) - that team should be a National Championship contender. And that is no joke...
Seniors:
Fischer
Burton
JJJ
Dawson
Wally
(3 Top 50/75 guys above) and 2, 3-star players
Juniors:
Levin
Du Wilson
Cohen
(2 Top 100 guys and a proven contributor at D-1 level as a freshman in Levin)
Sophomores:
Henry
Haanif
Heldt
Nick
(4 Top 100 guys)
The above roster complexion has tons of flexibility and enough size/length to play with anyone.
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I hate these types of prognostications. Impossible for a kid to live up to that stuff. Hope he comes to MU, but he's a big and bigs take a few years to get going. People are already expecting way too much of Luke right now...he'll be good, but not very good for quite some time. Ellenson likely the same.
I truly feel bad for some of the expectations we put on these kids.
Agree with the commentary except for this. He's a big kid, but he's not a "big" with a long learning curve ahead of him. Different story here.
Source: Watching him in person many times over many years in many different situations (HS, USA Basketball, Travel 15U, 16U, 17U, etc.
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The 1 and Done part makes me nervous, if I wanted to be 1 and Done Kentucky would be the easy choice...right?
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He's a big kid, but he's not a "big" with a long learning curve ahead of him
Exactly. Fischer is that guy. Ellenson is just a tall guy with guard skills.
Bigs "with long learning curves" aren't typically at the top of a diamond press. They also aren't running pick and roles at the top of the key (with the ball in their hands initiating the action, not setting the pick). That is Ellenson.
Ellenson has guard skills and a very refined game for a high schooler. I've said it before, he reminds me of Jon Leuer at Wisconsin his senior year of college. And with that as the starting point, I don't think it's a stretch to say he could be one of, if not the best, WI high school players ever. It's not a #donedeal, but it's not as absurd as a few here might think.
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The 1 and Done part makes me nervous, if I wanted to be 1 and Done Kentucky would be the easy choice...right?
I would disagree, according to crystal ball predictions (not reliable I realize) Kentucky is in line to get the #2, #3, #16, #17, #56, and #60 players (rankings from 247 composite). They are also in on, but not leading in crystal ball predictions for #4, #5, #6, #7, #9, #12, #15, #18, and #41. Henry is #10. Henry is only the 8th highest ranked kid Kentucky is recruiting. Now they won't get 8 kids ranked in the top 10, that would be absurd. But once you factor in his competition for playing time with the other potential recruits...not to mention the upper classmen who are all former top 10 recruits, I don't think Henry would get off the bench his freshman year. If he wanted to be a one and done, he would have a better chance at Marquette.
However, not all recruits think that way. Many think they will be able to walk in and trounce the competition, even if the competition is older and ranked higher. Henry is a level headed kid. He also know from playing on USA basketball, that he has some catching up to do to the other recruits in his class. If I recall correctly, he was a bench player.
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Exactly. Fischer is that guy. Ellenson is just a tall guy with guard skills.
Bigs "with long learning curves" aren't typically at the top of a diamond press. They also aren't running pick and roles at the top of the key (with the ball in their hands initiating the action, not setting the pick). That is Ellenson.
Ellenson has guard skills and a very refined game for a high schooler. I've said it before, he reminds me of Jon Leuer at Wisconsin his senior year of college. And with that as the starting point, I don't think it's a stretch to say he could be one of, if not the best, WI high school players ever. It's not a #donedeal, but it's not as absurd as a few here might think.
I'm going in with mild expectations, especially against his HS competition. He's highly ranked for a reason, but too many bigs IMO struggle their first year. If he signs with MU, I hope he lives up to the billing, but also hope that fans will be patient if he's a little slow out of the gate. The one and done stuff, regardless if it is true, should be put on the back burner. Not fair to the young man and will just lead to fans being disappointed with wild expectations.
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It's not just his HS competition it's AAU & USA Basketball as well...
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It's not just his HS competition it's AAU & USA Basketball as well...
He knows that, just like he knows he's not really a "big" but he keeps calling him that. It just doesn't fit his agenda.
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It's not just his HS competition it's AAU & USA Basketball as well...
I'm hoping he comes to MU, I will have tempered expectations, though, just as I do for Luke and any other guy that is new to the program. I would think most here would have seen with Duane, Mayo, Vander, etc, etc. Just because you are highly ranked doesn't translate to ease of performance that first year. Some can do it, but it is tough. Usually you see moments of "WOW" along with moments of "he's a freshman", the typical ups and downs of making the adjustment. Hopefully he comes to MU and maybe he can instantly be one of those exceptions to the rule and consistently be a top player. When I hear things like a comparison to John Leuer in his SENIOR year, well that's saying a lot. Hope it is true, but my expectations will be tempered....we should be fair to the kid.
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But Duane didn't play and Mayo wasn't highly ranked.......
I do agree that it is best to temper expectations because until they start playing you just don't know how long it will take them to adapt.
Top 10 kids are usually productive quickly but not always....
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He knows that, just like he knows he's not really a "big" but he keeps calling him that. It just doesn't fit his agenda.
He's not a big?
What agenda would that be, that I want him to come to MU and hope are fans don't have too inflated of expectations which could lead to tearing the kid down (done here all the time). What a terrible agenda to think of the kid....terrible
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He's not a big?
What agenda would that be, that I want him to come to MU and hope are fans don't have too inflated of expectations which could lead to tearing the kid down (done here all the time). What a terrible agenda to think of the kid....terrible
There's a difference between being "big" and being "a big." Once again, you know this. You like to tell us all about the number of great schools you went to and the number of intelligent people you work with and know. If you are as smart as you like to sound, don't play so stupid.
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I'm going in with mild expectations, especially against his HS competition. He's highly ranked for a reason, but too many bigs IMO struggle their first year. If he signs with MU, I hope he lives up to the billing, but also hope that fans will be patient if he's a little slow out of the gate. The one and done stuff, regardless if it is true, should be put on the back burner. Not fair to the young man and will just lead to fans being disappointed with wild expectations.
You keep going back to calling Ellenson a "big" which doesn't accurately reflect his game. It would be similar to calling Novak a big just because he is 6' 10". I can't tell if you're doing this to agitate the masses, or have never seen him play. The guy is rated in the top 5-10 because of his AAU and U17 play against top competition, not high school.
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Calling him a one & done is managing fan expectations. You should never plan on having a top 5 talent for multiple years. Beyond that, I'll take the under on Deonte staying for 4 seasons.
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Calling him a one & done is managing fan expectations. You should never plan on having a top 5 talent for multiple years. Beyond that, I'll take the under on Deonte staying for 4 seasons.
I think I'd take that bet. We'll see.
Read an interview recently with six NBA scouts and their opinion was that Ben Simmons is the only one-and-done in the class, which they also consider to be quite a bit below last year's.
But, again we'll see. Guys develop at different speeds.
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Ellenson isn't a big. 6'11" is big no matter if he can play all positions. Was hoping he would commit before leaving campus this weekend. He wi be an incredible Warrior!
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But Duane didn't play and Mayo wasn't highly ranked.......
I do agree that it is best to temper expectations because until they start playing you just don't know how long it will take them to adapt.
Top 10 kids are usually productive quickly but not always....
Exactly, Duane didn't play despite being highly ranked (yes, he was injured but Burt also said he wasn't playing well, couldn't get the defense down). Novak was a bit sporadic...highs and lows freshman year. Burton, the same. DJ, the same. Vander....definitely sporadic. So on and so forth. It's an adjustment to the college level.
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There's a difference between being "big" and being "a big." Once again, you know this. You like to tell us all about the number of great schools you went to and the number of intelligent people you work with and know. If you are as smart as you like to sound, don't play so stupid.
Of course I know it....Steve Novak was big, but not a big. Plenty of big guys on Wisconsin over the years that play on the perimeter. Maybe I'm missing something, but I suspect Ellenson, if he comes to MU, will be playing in the low post as a 4 or a 5 and not ranging around the perimeter like Novak did. To me, that's playing as a big. If I'm wrong, by all means tell me. I know he has very good ball handling skills (I believe he was a PG until high school) and he has a nice stroke from 3 in high school, comparisons to Nowitzki and such. I hope that is true. However, I thought I had read that his like position in college is the power 4 he won't be "merchandised" as a 3 point shooter like Novak was. I have no doubt that he will pick and pop, hit some deep balls, keep the defense honest as a result. Feel free to correct me, but you are correct I'm not calling him a big just because of his size....I'm calling him a big because it was my understanding that is where he will play in college, in the post at the 4 (albeit with the ability to roam and create to a degree).
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I think Ellenson will not go to MU, if he feels he will playing strictly the traditional power positions. I envision Wojo selling him on being a player like Singular(sp) who played for Duke.
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I think Ellenson will not go to MU, if he feels he will playing strictly the traditional power positions. I envision Wojo selling him on being a player like Singular(sp) who played for Duke.
I have no doubt Wojo will sell him on his versatility and what he can do at MU. Makes total sense. I'll have to find the posts, but thought a number of people here said in college he would play the power 4. Again, could be totally wrong and if I am, will happily admit it.
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Of course I know it....Steve Novak was big, but not a big. Plenty of big guys on Wisconsin over the years that play on the perimeter. Maybe I'm missing something, but I suspect Ellenson, if he comes to MU, will be playing in the low post as a 4 or a 5 and not ranging around the perimeter like Novak did. To me, that's playing as a big. If I'm wrong, by all means tell me. I know he has very good ball handling skills (I believe he was a PG until high school) and he has a nice stroke from 3 in high school, comparisons to Nowitzki and such. I hope that is true. However, I thought I had read that his like position in college is the power 4 he won't be "merchandised" as a 3 point shooter like Novak was. I have no doubt that he will pick and pop, hit some deep balls, keep the defense honest as a result. Feel free to correct me, but you are correct I'm not calling him a big just because of his size....I'm calling him a big because it was my understanding that is where he will play in college, in the post at the 4 (albeit with the ability to roam and create to a degree).
It is clear, you have never seen him play.
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Tough to be a reporter the last 5 or 6 years when the coach was cutting you off at the balls and knees, that being said he still wasn't very good. Maybe he's getting his second wind now that Burt is gone and their is a human being that isn't a psychotic mental case at the head of MU hoops that he can actually have conversations with now and again.
Very fair and balanced assessment. No innuendo, no playing doctor, no made up stuff, just plain, hard, verifiable facts. Like always. How phony. How hypocritical. How typical.
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Stretch 4s are now wanted by everyone. Position is defined by who you can guard and Steve could never guard the 3......to tell the truth he couldn't guard 4s very well either but they couldn't guard him on the perimeter so it all worked out.
Ellenson will not just be a low post guy at MU(or wherever he goes). He will guard mostly 4s but will play all over the place on offense.
I doubt he plays much center with Fischer, Heldt and Taylor here but he could play there some if needed.
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I agree with you willie. To say that Henry "might be the best basketball player to ever come out of Wisconsin" is a bit of a stretch and might set expectations too high.
Joe Wolf, Wes Matthews, Jim Chones, and the ones you mentioned. This state does not lack for high quality basketball talent.
pardon me if i missed this one somewhere in the replies-mickey crowe? he was a unique character, but one helluva a shooter before glass backboards and 3-point lines. a one man show, aka pistol pete. if he would have had a little guidance, who knows how good he could've become. oh, our anthony pieper broke crowes state scoring record, but had the 3-point shot to help
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/basketball-former-prep-standout-mickey-crowe-to-have-book-signing/article_895853c3-d9c3-5f29-ac42-5be5bc792eeb.html
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I've always thought of Ellenson as a Crowder type of player. He's much taller than Crowder. I pictured him as a guy that could mix it up down low, but also had some strong perimeter skills. I don't think he's going to be a down low guy exclusively. He sounds like the guy that if there's a small guy on him, he'll go down low, but if there's a big guy, he'd bring him to the perimeter.
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It is clear, you have never seen him play.
In person, I have not. Seen some video highlights. Thought I captured it well to say he has very good ball handling skills, nice touch from the outside in high school. That's based on what video I have seen. Am I wrong?
The part about him playing the power 4 I read here on Scoop as his likely position in college...perhaps they were wrong and by default, I am as well for believing them.
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Stretch 4s are now wanted by everyone. Position is defined by who you can guard and Steve could never guard the 3......to tell the truth he couldn't guard 4s very well either but they couldn't guard him on the perimeter so it all worked out.
Ellenson will not just be a low post guy at MU(or wherever he goes). He will guard mostly 4s but will play all over the place on offense.
I doubt he plays much center with Fischer, Heldt and Taylor here but he could play there some if needed.
Thank you, good write up. Appreciated.
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Ellenson isn't a big. 6'11" is big no matter if he can play all positions. Was hoping he would commit before leaving campus this weekend. He wi be an incredible Warrior!
With all the Smart posters on this Board, can someone coin a word or phrase that distinguish a “Big” (Players Height) from “Big + (Players Height plus other gifts)
Thanks
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I've always thought of Ellenson as a Crowder type of player. He's much taller than Crowder. I pictured him as a guy that could mix it up down low, but also had some strong perimeter skills. I don't think he's going to be a down low guy exclusively. He sounds like the guy that if there's a small guy on him, he'll go down low, but if there's a big guy, he'd bring him to the perimeter.
Crowder very rarely ran the break, caught the ball on the perimeter and broke his man down with the dribble, etc. If I had to compare his game to the type of player player we have seen at Marquette I would say he's what we all hoped Jamil Wilson would be. Long, athletic, can take his man off the dribble, shoot from the outside, or use his height to his advantage in the post. In my opinion, he's not a "stretch 4" because when I think "stretch 4" I think a guy who can either shoot the 3 or post up, but isn't much of a slasher or someone who can break his defender down off the dribble. Ellenson has the ability to slash and break his man down off the dribble. He's a 6'10" wing/slasher/shooter.
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I think you'd be handcuffing someone with the skillset that Ellenson has by just saying, "Hey, you're 6'11" so you're a post." Or even making him into a stretch 4. He's the kind of player you get the ball to anywhere on the court and can say, "Go make something good happen." Whether that is creating off the dribble, finding a shot for himself, or finding a shot for a teammate, he can make something good happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iE7ukktN9E
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It really is hard to translate high school and AAU highlight videos to college. For instance, I am not sure Henry would be leading the break often at MU. I actually think the Crowder comparison isn't a bad one...but he's a taller and slightly more athletic version. For instance when he played on the U17 team, he didn't do much from the outside. Mid-range and at the basket stuff.
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He only played in 1 1/2 seasons and lost one game to a ref that fouled Dean out, first time in 90 some games, 3 charging calls, are you kidding me, the ref apolgized to Al later in life.
OK ... but did he cut the nets down?
And aren't people talking about Henry being a 1-and-done or at most a 2-and-done?
Hey, people can make all the projections they want about Henry. I already almost feel sorry for him given how difficult it will be for him to live up to the hype ... and he hasn't even played his senior season of high school ball.
But I've been wrong many times before. Maybe Henry really will be a first-team All-American and we'll win national titles in each of his four seasons. And yes, I said four, because he'll love the Marquette culture so much he won't be able to bear to leave!
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OK ... but did he cut the nets down?
No, but MU was 50-1 in his 1.7 seasons and the lone loss was an a the very least controversial one point one.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I suspect Ellenson, if he comes to MU, will be playing in the low post as a 4 or a 5..To me, that's playing as a big. If I'm wrong, by all means tell me.
Playing in the low post as a 4 or 5 is playing as a big. Is that how Ellenson will play, as a big in the low post? No. You are wrong.
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Playing in the low post as a 4 or 5 is playing as a big. Is that how Ellenson will play, as a big in the low post? No. You are wrong.
Fair enough, I guess I wonder why some posters were saying here that is where he would be playing at MU. Since Kentucky is part of our competition, when are you going to share with us the official Kentucky recruiting offer list....we've been asking for over a month now....tick tock
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Fair enough, I guess I wonder why some posters were saying here that is where he would be playing at MU. Since Kentucky is part of our competition, when are you going to share with us the official Kentucky recruiting offer list....we've been asking for over a month now....tick tock
What's your obsession with this Kentucky offer list? You listed out certain players and held it to be an accurate list of Kentucky's offers. Your list was wrong and I told you so. End of story. Never did I say I'd offer detailed corrections - only that your information was off the mark.
Anything more on that subject would cost you.
...and to think after I gave you Crean's contract you never got back to me with your thoughts or reached back out to your boy Glass to get his explanation. Sheesh.
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What's your obsession with this Kentucky offer list? You listed out certain players and held it to be an accurate list of Kentucky's offers. Your list was wrong and I told you so. End of story. Never did I say I'd offer detailed corrections - only that your information was off the mark.
Anything more on that subject would cost you.
...and to think after I gave you Crean's contract you never got back to me with your thoughts or reached back out to your boy Glass to get his explanation. Sheesh.
Several of us here asked you since you said we were wrong and requested what the proper list was. It would have been common courtesy that since you said the list was wrong, to provide the correct list.
Don't worry about it, we really were hoping to see it, but no need to have to pay for it since no one here works in that realm. Next time just tell us we're wrong, but you can't tell us why or the correct answer without payment and that way we won't be so excited the last few weeks waiting for it. Thanks.
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Several of us asked here you since you said we were wrong what the proper list was. It would have been common courtesy that since you said the list was wrong, to provide the correct list.
Don't worry about it, we really were hoping to see it, but no need to have to pay for it since no one here works in that realm. Next time just tell us we're wrong, but you can't tell us why or the correct answer without payment and that way we won't be so excited the last few weeks waiting for it. Thanks.
I think the use of the word "we" implies more than one person has been obsessing over that list while in actuality it's just been you.
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Lenny
Right on regarding the Chones record. If he would have played the last 1.5 seasons it might have been two net cutting parties held by MU. He was that good.
All of that said, this is the biggest recruiting battle for MU since Wolf. IMO landing Henry is even more important than the Wolf recruiting battle. Land him and we have something to build on for the long haul. No moral victories in this battle.
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I wonder if Ellenson ruled out Wisconsin because of how good Happ is going to be there and a year ahead of him.
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I wonder if Ellenson ruled out Wisconsin because of how good Happ is going to be there and a year ahead of him.
Whatever helps Badger fans sleep at night.
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I wonder if Ellenson ruled out Wisconsin because of how good Happ is going to be there and a year ahead of him.
Yes, I'm sure HE crossed Wisconsin off his list because he was afraid that he would lose playing time to Ethan Happ, a former 3 star who is as skinny as rail. But he's definitely not afraid of going toe to toe with all the top 15 players who Kentucky signs every year. ::)
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Yes, I'm sure HE crossed Wisconsin off his list because he was afraid that he would lose playing time to Ethan Happ, a former 3 star who is as skinny as rail. But he's definitely not afraid of going toe to toe with all the top 15 players who Kentucky signs every year. ::)
(http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/troynos-albums-blah-picture23583-do-not-feed-trolls.jpg)
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Lenny
Right on regarding the Chones record. If he would have played the last 1.5 seasons it might have been two net cutting parties held by MU. He was that good.
All of that said, this is the biggest recruiting battle for MU since Wolf. IMO landing Henry is even more important than the Wolf recruiting battle. Land him and we have something to build on for the long haul. No moral victories in this battle.
Agreed. This is MU's first real shot at a top 10 player in forever. All the stars are aligned - Wisconsin kid, brother goes to MU, very close with another MU recruit in his class. Don't win this one? Means we can't compete at the top level even with the deck somewhat stacked in our favor. Landing Henry would be a huge plus - losing him would be an even bigger minus. Wojo knows this and he's devoted a ton of time and effort to Henry. The "whatever" crowd who say brilliant, smug things like "We'll still field a team" may not get it but I'm glad you do.
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Agreed. This is MU's first real shot at a top 10 player in forever. All the stars are aligned - Wisconsin kid, brother goes to MU, very close with another MU recruit in his class. Don't win this one? Means we can't compete at the top level even with the deck somewhat stacked in our favor. Landing Henry would be a huge plus - losing him would be an even bigger minus. Wojo knows this and he's devoted a ton of time and effort to Henry. The "whatever" crowd who say brilliant, smug things like "We'll still field a team" may not get it but I'm glad you do.
+1.
Well put. There's more at stake here than just Henry.
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I wonder if Ellenson ruled out Wisconsin because of how good Happ is going to be there and a year ahead of him.
Youre right, im sure Bo "Cooled" on Ellenson because of Ethan friggen Happ. Give me a break.
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Youre right, im sure Bo "Cooled" on Ellenson because of Ethan friggen Happ. Give me a break.
No, if you read the Badger boards. The Ellenson family suddenly became "high maintenance" and Henry or Henry's dad "has baggage" or Henry likes to be "the man" a little too much. By coincidence this happened shortly after Henry trimmed UW off his list. Shortly before that Henry and his family were solid and Henry was a good kid.
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No, if you read the Badger boards. The Ellenson family suddenly became "high maintenance" and Henry or Henry's dad "has baggage" or Henry likes to be "the man" a little too much. By coincidence this happened shortly after Henry trimmed UW off his list. Shortly before that Henry and his family were solid and Henry was a good kid.
Go figure right? Scoop can get pretty nutty but I know for me at least when we lose out on a recruit I never said, x coach cooled on him or started making excuses about his family.
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It really is hard to translate high school and AAU highlight videos to college. For instance, I am not sure Henry would be leading the break often at MU. I actually think the Crowder comparison isn't a bad one...but he's a taller and slightly more athletic version. For instance when he played on the U17 team, he didn't do much from the outside. Mid-range and at the basket stuff.
Hmm what MU player was a more athletic crowder? Hayward!