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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 23, 2019, 03:24:03 PM

Title: Morris less
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2019, 03:24:03 PM
1.   When did Sacar turn into JuJuan.    Not playing defense.  Not hustling back on defense after another bad turnover.   Making dumb decisions on offense.    Scoring just enough that you can't complain too much.    My biggest disappointment so far. 
2.  Markus, time to get a little selfish.   It seems like he is trying so hard to not be selfish that he is instead becoming passive.
3.   A fifth year senior trying to throw a bounce pass through two defenders to another 5th year senior who isn't establishing his space.
4.  Nice to see Brendan contribute offensively.
5.  Honestly, I see a lot of the same mistakes that my 7th graders are making.    Sloppy with the ball.   Standing around on offense.    Telegraphing passes.   When pressed, running away from the ball instead of cutting to open spaces.   The obvious response is coaching, but you can tell them exactly what they need to do.   If they don't do it...   Just like 7th graders.
6.   Robert Morris never looked afraid of the moment.    Kudos.   
7.  I don't know how MU is ever going to play two bigs.   Jayce is still limping.    Theo jumps at everything on the perimeter.    Ed can only score from 1 foot. 
8.    But, MU didn't lose.    I shudder to thing what this place would be like if they hadn't pulled it out.     Time to go down to Orlando and find themselves. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: skianth16 on November 23, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
I get the game plan today, but the results were not good. This team needs Markus a little too much. This isn't what they needed heading into Orlando.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 23, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
Not sure I can remember a team being called for travelling so much.  Need to slow things down a bit.

We looked terrible against the press as well - I have to imagine we'll start seeing a lot more of that until we can prove we can beat the pressure. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 23, 2019, 03:30:03 PM
I’m surprised that you shudder about ‘this place’ if we lost. 

Much to work on.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 23, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
On the brightside

We got a couple of guards who can ice games at the line
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: PointWarrior on November 23, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
1 - for all the hype coming in to the season, Sacar has been the opposite. 

Gregg Elliot needs to play more, sacar needs to play less. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: shoothoops on November 23, 2019, 03:33:51 PM
15 turnovers, need to better handle and value the basketball.

Shot 25% from three. (4/16)  need better shooting.

Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: nyg on November 23, 2019, 03:35:38 PM
Just tired of watching the weave offense every possession.  Dribble, pass, dribble, pass, round and round outside the three point line. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 23, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
I think the most concerning aspect for me today was how easily we allowed dribble penetration, especially considering we do have length and athleticism. 

Lots to clean up but hopefully playing 3 games in 4 days next week can help the team get in more of a rhythm.

Today had to help Bailey's confidence - hopefully that makes a difference moving forward. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: nyg on November 23, 2019, 03:40:05 PM
15 turnovers, need to better handle and value the basketball.

Shot 25% from three. (4/16)  need better shooting.

That would be 21 turnovers, 14 by starters, with Sacar the leader in clubhouse with 5. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: geps on November 23, 2019, 03:48:34 PM
1 - for all the hype coming in to the season, Sacar has been the opposite. 

Gregg Elliot needs to play more, sacar needs to play less.

Sacar game high 14 with 5 boards and shot 60%.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2019, 03:57:36 PM
With 5 turnovers and matador defense. 

Another 7th grade mistake, Cain not knowing who he was guarding, then turning around and throwing a long, lazy bounce pass to the post.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2019, 04:16:26 PM
1.   When did Sacar turn into JuJuan.    Not playing defense.  Not hustling back on defense after another bad turnover.   Making dumb decisions on offense.    Scoring just enough that you can't complain too much.    My biggest disappointment so far. 
2.  Markus, time to get a little selfish.   It seems like he is trying so hard to not be selfish that he is instead becoming passive.
3.   A fifth year senior trying to throw a bounce pass through two defenders to another 5th year senior who isn't establishing his space.
4.  Nice to see Brendan contribute offensively.
5.  Honestly, I see a lot of the same mistakes that my 7th graders are making.    Sloppy with the ball.   Standing around on offense.    Telegraphing passes.   When pressed, running away from the ball instead of cutting to open spaces.   The obvious response is coaching, but you can tell them exactly what they need to do.   If they don't do it...   Just like 7th graders.
6.   Robert Morris never looked afraid of the moment.    Kudos.   
7.  I don't know how MU is ever going to play two bigs.   Jayce is still limping.    Theo jumps at everything on the perimeter.    Ed can only score from 1 foot. 
8.    But, MU didn't lose.    I shudder to thing what this place would be like if they hadn't pulled it out.     Time to go down to Orlando and find themselves.
We won. Davidson up next.

ps No need to sully the reputation of JJJ. He was a very effective player for us Jr and Sr season.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: shoothoops on November 23, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
That would be 21 turnovers, 14 by starters, with Sacar the leader in clubhouse with 5.

You are correct. 21.  Not sure why I typed 15. Point remains the same.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
Herman, I appreciate everything JjJ did.  But when Wojo announced every position would be determined by effort in practice, JjJ showed up late.   The antithesis of senior leadership.   Could not be trusted to get back on defense.   
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: PointWarrior on November 23, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
I guess you did not see his 5 turnovers and lack of defense.


[BBCBBC quote author=geps link=topic=59381.msg1174916#msg1174916 date=1574545714]
Sacar game high 14 with 5 boards and shot 60%.
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Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: DoctorV on November 23, 2019, 04:43:36 PM
Ive noticed Sacar lack of effort early this season as well *(I didn’t see today’s game)*

Not to dog the kid cause everyone goes through slumps over a long career, but it’s odd to see one of our main hustle and high effort guys throughout his career not get back on defense as a fifth year senior.

It’s that effort that got him into this starter and heavy minute position for this season and the team needs him to become a reliable and consistent go to guy. Hope he has an awesome year
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 23, 2019, 04:46:51 PM
We won. Davidson up next.

ps No need to sully the reputation of JJJ. He was a very effective player for us Jr and Sr season.

“Very effective”? Sorry but disagree.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: CountryRoads on November 23, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
I guess you did not see his 5 turnovers and lack of defense.


[BBCBBC quote author=geps link=topic=59381.msg1174916#msg1174916 date=1574545714]
Sacar game high 14 with 5 boards and shot 60%.

2 of which came at an absolutely critical time. He has been a major disappointment this year so far. Complete no show in last years NCAA game. Can’t be counted on.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2019, 05:42:39 PM
1 - for all the hype coming in to the season, Sacar has been the opposite. 

Gregg Elliot needs to play more, sacar needs to play less.

Hopefully, Sacar picks it up. He was awful in the first 6 games last year before he got it going. Let's hope...
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: BM1090 on November 23, 2019, 06:00:57 PM
“Very effective”? Sorry but disagree.

JJ was good as an upperclassman, especially his senior year. Still had some maddening moments but once his 3P shot developed he was a good offensive player.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2019, 06:04:55 PM
Lipstick on this pig:

1) It was ugly, but we won. Unlike Kentucky or UCLA, we survived our cupcake scare. We've had them before (Presbyterian last year, Omaha in 2014, Southern & Hampton in 2013, NC-Central in 2012) & winning is most important.

2) Bailey and Anim provided some offense & we won without major contributions from Howard or McEwen.

3) Bailey looked good in the middle of the zone.

4) Defense was generally okay. Kept us in it when we couldn't buy a bucket or even a look.

5) Theo is legit as a rim protector.

6) Jayce showed promise. He uses his size and length really well.

Brutal realities:

1) Scoring was a struggle. Even the open looks didn't fall. Today I felt we really missed Brett Nelson.

2) The turnovers were bad. Not just the number, but how many times did we seemingly bounce pass it right to a defender? More ball-handlers was supposed to help this.

3) The inability to finish made me want to poke my eyes out. Both at the rim and from three.

4) The sequence that pissed me off the most was a lazy bounce pass turnover by Sacar, then in transition he was lazy getting back on an easy layup for his guy. But what infuriated me most was him shooting and missing a three on the next possession. How did he not get yanked after that?

5) Wojo was outcoached today. Every time he figured something out, Toole had an answer. Credit to them, but that decisive run we needed was simply never there, never enough.

6) We looked lazy the entire first half. This team hasn't done enough to earn being entitled. Go win Orlando, then you can take a few plays off. But even then, if you want to accomplish something of note, you can't take plays off.

7) Bailey was better. But Elliott should absolutely be starting over Anim & I'd be fine with Cain starting too.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2019, 06:09:38 PM
JjJ's jumper improved.  I really liked when they ran the curl for him off the screens at the foul line.   He got a lot of points that way.   Same play worked for Haanif.   They run it for Sacar now, but he won't finish.
     JjJ acknowledged at the postseason banquet that he had been a knucklehead.  And I can't get past a senior, after being told that all positions would be determined by effort in practice, showing up late and earning a DNP/CD.     
   I want Sacar to step up his defense and effort.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: mileskishnish72 on November 23, 2019, 06:19:45 PM
Hate to say it but I think we’re looking at a .500 Be team.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: We R Final Four on November 23, 2019, 06:20:32 PM
Not sure I can remember a team being called for travelling so much.  Need to slow things down a bit.

We looked terrible against the press as well - I have to imagine we'll start seeing a lot more of that until we can prove we can beat the pressure.
Very disappointed in that press breAk. Again.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: MUDPT on November 23, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
Anybody know what’s up the fast break? Seems like a guy runs to the corner, and the ball automatically goes to him. 90%, that guy is covered and the ball gets cycled back out and the break is over.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: jonny09 on November 23, 2019, 06:38:09 PM
Hate to say it but I think we’re looking at a .500 Be team.

This team very well could just miss the tourney. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: PointWarrior on November 23, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
.500 in the BE maybe the ceiling for this team...

Hate to say it but I think we’re looking at a .500 Be team.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Johnny B on November 23, 2019, 07:02:04 PM
.500 in the BE maybe the ceiling for this team...
If there isn't serious improvement on offense you may be right
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 23, 2019, 07:37:25 PM
You're never as good as your best win or as bad as your worst loss. Sure, this team could fall flat, but it's too early to say and judging them DOA after a win where no one got hurt is silly.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 23, 2019, 08:10:10 PM
That was the third worst turnover % game in Wojo’s tenure. That won’t continue.

#WinOrlando
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: 79Warrior on November 23, 2019, 08:14:48 PM
This team very well could just miss the tourney.

Early yet for that call. Looking forward to see how we play in Orlando.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 23, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
Not sure I can remember a team being called for travelling so much.  Need to slow things down a bit.

We looked terrible against the press as well - I have to imagine we'll start seeing a lot more of that until we can prove we can beat the pressure.

NCAA is finally starting to emphasise the traveling call - long overdue in my opinion.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 23, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
JjJ's jumper improved.  I really liked when they ran the curl for him off the screens at the foul line.   He got a lot of points that way.   Same play worked for Haanif.   They run it for Sacar now, but he won't finish.
     JjJ acknowledged at the postseason banquet that he had been a knucklehead.  And I can't get past a senior, after being told that all positions would be determined by effort in practice, showing up late and earning a DNP/CD.     
   I want Sacar to step up his defense and effort.

And is a horrible ft shooter
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2019, 09:57:49 PM
I think the most concerning aspect for me today was how easily we allowed dribble penetration, especially considering we do have length and athleticism. 


I lamented this several times.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 23, 2019, 10:02:15 PM
Ugly, ugly, ugly game. Not many positives to take from that one. If this is our new normal then we are in serious trouble. Fortunately, I don't think that's what will happen.

Four data points so far. 2 positive, 2 negative. The 2 negative ones were worse than the positive ones were good in my opinion, so it starts to temper my expectations a bit. But sample size of four is pretty small. Come out and win the first two in Orlando and I'm feeling pretty okay with where we are at. Win three and I won't even remember this game.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 23, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
JjJ's jumper improved.  I really liked when they ran the curl for him off the screens at the foul line.   He got a lot of points that way.   Same play worked for Haanif.   They run it for Sacar now, but he won't finish.
     JjJ acknowledged at the postseason banquet that he had been a knucklehead.  And I can't get past a senior, after being told that all positions would be determined by effort in practice, showing up late and earning a DNP/CD.     
   I want Sacar to step up his defense and effort.

JJJ was likely a bigger "knucklehead" than Sacar. He was also a better basketball player.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: MU82 on November 23, 2019, 10:07:01 PM
Come out and win the first two in Orlando and I'm feeling pretty okay with where we are at. Win three and I won't even remember this game.

Yessir.

Davidson game is huge, huge, huge.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: CountryRoads on November 24, 2019, 12:02:05 AM
Why is Howard the 2G on this team? Last year he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time on a top 10 team. McEwen is a decent player but can barely dribble the ball. Imo howard needs to take over PG duties and shoot 25+ times for this team to have a chance. Can't wait for some new faces in this program.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: WarriorFan on November 24, 2019, 12:53:41 AM
Why is Howard the 2G on this team? Last year he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time on a top 10 team. McEwen is a decent player but can barely dribble the ball. Imo howard needs to take over PG duties and shoot 25+ times for this team to have a chance. Can't wait for some new faces in this program.
McEwen sees the pass.  Howard only sees the basket.  When he tried to pass, it was so late that the guy who had been open was already covered.  McEwen could turn out to be a very complete player.  He could also see over and pass out of the double team, which Howard cannot.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: tower912 on November 24, 2019, 05:28:16 AM
JJJ was likely a bigger "knucklehead" than Sacar. He was also a better basketball player.
When he wanted to be.   He was/is a prototype Buzz switchable.   6'5, long arms, versatile offensively, could guard multiple positions.  Miles of talent.  Fun to watch when he was engaged.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: connie on November 24, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
I find the Kentucky rationalizations extremely frustrating.  That model seems to accept early season troubles as the year's collection of alphas works out their roles.  At best, the model produces something really special. At worst, the collection of talent is usually sufficient to play for a conference championship and rack up a win or two in the tourney.  We certainly don't have the athletes to play to this model, and I think it is becoming evident that we don't have the coaching power to compensate.  I thought our model was going to be to get a core of smart players with a good amount of talent and let them develop together, then add in a transfer or talented underclassman to fill the weaknesses.  Guess that didn't work out as planned, leaving us with mediocrity. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 24, 2019, 09:38:31 AM
I haven’t been on scoop much lately and so not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere and frankly this is purely conjecture, but....

It appears from social media that Markus and his gf May have broken up within the last week or so (not sure if before or after Wisco game), and could be a reason why it appears he’s been a little off.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Goose on November 24, 2019, 09:54:20 AM
Connie
Spot on. I wish we were ranked number one and lost a game like Kentucky did. Many on here hate the Al era comparisons, yet throw out comparisons to this program and elite programs of today.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
I find the Kentucky rationalizations extremely frustrating.

Sometimes good teams struggle to beat bad teams.

1) Duke was tied with kenpom #134 Georgia State at halftime.
2) Louisville was trailing kenpom #344 USC Upstate 43-40 in the second half.
5) North Carolina led kenpom #213 Gardner-Webb by just 51-47 with 10 minutes to play & was trailing kenpom #327 Elon 33-32 at halftime.
9) Kentucky lost to kenpom #172 Evansville.

That's just teams in the current top-10, not to mention previous MU close calls such as Presbyterian in 2018, Southeastern Louisiana & NC-Central in 2012, Norfolk State in 2011, and more going back. Or close calls this year by other top-25 teams like Seton Hall, Arizona, Utah State, Xavier, VCU, Texas, and Washington.

That doesn't mean we will end up being a great team, but the idea that having a poor result against a weaker opponent is somehow indicative a team is doomed to mediocrity would mean about half of the top-25 is mediocre at best.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: connie on November 24, 2019, 10:08:09 AM
My fear of mediocrity is based upon the past 5 years, not a pair of disappointing performances against athletically inferior but better coached teams.  Pointing out that we share one problem with Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina only makes me want to ask you to compare our successes over the same time period.  "We beat Villanova at home" is nice, but not at all comparable.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: skianth16 on November 24, 2019, 10:11:41 AM
That doesn't mean we will end up being a great team, but the idea that having a poor result against a weaker opponent is somehow indicative a team is doomed to mediocrity would mean about half of the top-25 is mediocre at best.

I tend to agree that yesterday's performance isn't necessarily some kind of ominous writing on the wall, foreshadowing a terrible season. But it did certainly highlight some things Wojo and the team need to work on. The biggest thing for me is that the team hasn't looked prepared for any of the games yet. I feel like all the first halves we've played so far have been pretty sub-par, and then the guys get going a little more in the second half.

They've had a ton of time to prepare for both of the last 2 games, but the guys just don't seem to be ready to go when the games tipped off. This is a trend I'd love to see reversed in Orlando.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 24, 2019, 10:12:41 AM
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Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
My fear of mediocrity is based upon the past 5 years, not a pair of disappointing performances against athletically inferior but better coached teams.  Pointing out that we share one problem with Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina only makes me want to ask you to compare our successes over the same time period.  "We beat Villanova at home" is nice, but not at all comparable.

I get that argument, but it's completely different than the argument I responded to. And last year, we had a top-10 team (despite similar struggles with Presbyterian and UTEP) before Markus' injury sank our season.

Yesterday sucked and revealed a number of issues with this team, most notably on the offensive end and creating live ball turnovers, but a bad win is still better than losing the same game. Last year's team followed that Presbyterian game by winning 20 of their next 23. Too early to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2019, 12:07:42 PM
I tend to agree that yesterday's performance isn't necessarily some kind of ominous writing on the wall, foreshadowing a terrible season. But it did certainly highlight some things Wojo and the team need to work on. The biggest thing for me is that the team hasn't looked prepared for any of the games yet. I feel like all the first halves we've played so far have been pretty sub-par, and then the guys get going a little more in the second half.

They've had a ton of time to prepare for both of the last 2 games, but the guys just don't seem to be ready to go when the games tipped off. This is a trend I'd love to see reversed in Orlando.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Texas Tech down at halftime to Long Island. Creighton down to North Florida. No plans yet for either school to cancel their seasons.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mutaman on November 24, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
Texas Tech down at halftime to Long Island. Creighton down to North Florida. No plans yet for either school to cancel their seasons.

If,like Texas Tech, Wojo had gone 8-2 in the last two post seasons, I think we'd all be a bit more patient.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 02:46:02 PM
If,like Texas Tech, Wojo had gone 8-2 in the last two post seasons, I think we'd all be a bit more patient.

Patently false. After back-to-back Sweet 16s, Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash after losing at Green Bay. A track record of success has never led to this site being patient in the past.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 24, 2019, 02:48:41 PM
Patently false. After back-to-back Sweet 16s, Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash after losing at Green Bay. A track record of success has never led to this site being patient in the past.

Was that the year where Buzz hadn’t installed the offense yet?  Maybe Wojo just hasn’t got around to that.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mutaman on November 24, 2019, 04:28:45 PM
Patently false. After back-to-back Sweet 16s, Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash after losing at Green Bay. A track record of success has never led to this site being patient in the past.

"patently". i like it.
But Link please. A post by one or two fans does equate to  "Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash" 
Considering Wojo's track record, fans have been remarkably patient.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mutaman on November 24, 2019, 04:30:50 PM
. A track record of success has never led to this site being patient in the past.


Its been so long since we had any success, I don't remember how this site reacted.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: wiscwarrior on November 24, 2019, 04:32:09 PM

Its been so long since we had any success, I don't remember how this site reacted.

Really?  ::)
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: brewcity77 on November 24, 2019, 04:42:12 PM
"patently". i like it.
But Link please. A post by one or two fans does equate to  "Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash" 
Considering Wojo's track record, fans have been remarkably patient.

As I said, patently false.

Link: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=37122.msg469619#msg469619
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mutaman on November 24, 2019, 04:43:06 PM
Really?  ::)
 

I suspect we define "success" differently. A year without a post season win
(or at least one competitive effort) is not a success for this program.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Mutaman on November 24, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
As I said, patently false.

Link: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=37122.msg469619#msg469619

Well i guess you showed me-kudos. But none of those posts criticized Buzz.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2019, 10:35:05 PM
As I said, patently false.

Link: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=37122.msg469619#msg469619

This is great stuff.

I'm not proud of my over-reaction, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Marcus92 on November 26, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
Was out of town and didn't have a chance to see this one. While I can't comment on the game itself, this subject line is outstanding. Well done, Tower!

What I can comment on are the turnovers, which have been atrocious so far this season. It's not limited to just a few players, either:

Markus (19.9 TO% per KenPom, highest since his freshman year)
Koby (23.8%, career high)
Sacar (26.7%, career high)
Greg (28.7%, career high)
Jamal (20.4%, a career low but still way too high)
Brendan (23.9%, 4x higher than last season)
Ed (28.8%, career high)
Symir (65.2%!!!!!!!!)
Jayce (26.6%, career high)

We're only 4 games in. I get that it can take some time for this team to integrate all the new pieces (Koby, Greg, Symir, Jayce) and find their groove. But they need to start figuring it out soon.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: CountryRoads on November 26, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
Was out of town and didn't have a chance to see this one. While I can't comment on the game itself, this subject line is outstanding. Well done, Tower!

What I can comment on are the turnovers, which have been atrocious so far this season. It's not limited to just a few players, either:

Markus (19.9 TO% per KenPom, highest since his freshman year)
Koby (23.8%, career high)
Sacar (26.7%, career high)
Greg (28.7%, career high)
Jamal (20.4%, a career low but still way too high)
Brendan (23.9%, 4x higher than last season)
Ed (28.8%, career high)
Symir (65.2%!!!!!!!!)
Jayce (26.6%, career high)

We're only 4 games in. I get that it can take some time for this team to integrate all the new pieces (Koby, Greg, Symir, Jayce) and find their groove. But they need to start figuring it out soon.

I’d agree on the older guys, but Symir is a pretty small sample size. He had a rough first game with 4 TOs but hasnt turned it over in his (very) limited minutes in the next 3 games. The team travels way too much though.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Its DJOver on November 26, 2019, 12:05:11 PM
Jayce; career high TO %.  Actually look at the totals, 10 minutes, 1 TO.  Yea I'm not going to read anything into that.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Marcus92 on November 26, 2019, 12:51:46 PM
Take Jayce and Symir out of the equation, and that's still waaaayyy too many turnovers by waaaayyy too many players. Gotta improve.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Its DJOver on November 26, 2019, 12:58:07 PM
Also not sure where you're getting your data because I see Koby with a TO% of 21.3.  Still a career high, but a number I can live with when you also look at his career high assist %, 64% 3 point shooting percentage on over 4 attempts per game, and an overall ORtg of 122.6.  Considering the amount of time transfers usually take to make an impact, he's overachieved in almost every facet.  Still a very small sample size though.

Edit: TO% at this point can be misleading because of sample size issues.  BB, Sacar, and Greg have almost 40% of our TOs, they absolutely need to tighten up the handle.  Others, I'm less worried about.  We're also only averaging 12 TOs against high majors, rather than the 21 against low majors, so the silver lining is that, iirc, similar to the start of the season last year, when we're playing inferior opponents we turn it over more, which may be attributed to more experimenting with line-ups, knowing that we have a larger margin for error etc.  Something to keep an eye on for sure, but somewhat misleading (again because of the sample size).
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Marcus92 on November 26, 2019, 01:32:45 PM
Numbers are all from KenPom. Agree that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions based on just 4 games. But it's definitely concerning -- especially with so many experienced players on the roster.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: MU82 on November 26, 2019, 01:37:40 PM
With Morrow, I'm a little surprised when he doesn't travel, especially if he catches the ball more than 3-4 feet from the hoop. Love the energy he brings and the rebounding, but I sure wish he could make a move without shufflin' off to Buffalo so often!

Otherwise ... yikes ... I knew the turnovers were bad but this is even worse than I thought. Gotta get that fixed. Our margin of error is not that large this season.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: CountryRoads on November 26, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
With Morrow, I'm a little surprised when he doesn't travel, especially if he catches the ball more than 3-4 feet from the hoop. Love the energy he brings and the rebounding, but I sure wish he could make a move without shufflin' off to Buffalo so often!

Otherwise ... yikes ... I knew the turnovers were bad but this is even worse than I thought. Gotta get that fixed. Our margin of error is not that large this season.

Speaking of Morrow, here is a video of him traveling in practice that the MU twitter account just posted :

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1199397086158053376?s=21

Maybe a silly discussion, but you wonder if the coaching staff should emphasize those fundamentals a bit more during practice.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 26, 2019, 01:44:00 PM
Speaking of Morrow, here is a video of him traveling in practice that the MU twitter account just posted :

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1199397086158053376?s=21

Maybe a silly discussion, but you wonder if the coaching staff should emphasize those fundamentals a bit more during practice.

Ugh I mean I know it might not be what they were focusing on but that should be called every time till they fix it
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Its DJOver on November 26, 2019, 01:45:30 PM
Speaking of Morrow, here is a video of him traveling in practice that the MU twitter account just posted :

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1199397086158053376?s=21

Maybe a silly discussion, but you wonder if the coaching staff should emphasize those fundamentals a bit more during practice.

I remember thinking that both Otule and Juan traveled just about every time they touched the ball, and just left it up the fact that the refs weren't going to call it every time.  Juan traveling on his jab step was almost a free space in MU BINGO.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Aughnanure on November 26, 2019, 02:02:34 PM
Patently false. After back-to-back Sweet 16s, Marquette fans were ready to throw the 2012-13 team in the trash after losing at Green Bay. A track record of success has never led to this site being patient in the past.

Disagree completely. Wojo has earned none of the trust Buzz nor Beard have. Comparing the poor/overreaction/unfair criticisms of them after poor games does not make criticisms of Wojo after a similar poor game(s) unfounded.

The only thing similar between those three scenarios is all have had a bad game. While Wojo has provided zero evidence needed to give him the trust those two have after a bad game or even run of games. This is year 6 now. He has to actually show us something now. 
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: StillWarriors on November 26, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
Ugh I mean I know it might not be what they were focusing on but that should be called every time till they fix it

This is exactly the type of thing he's been doing in games. Maddening and discouraging in that it truly appears to be a habit that is unlikely to go away easily. It's bizarre how smooth he looks sometimes on those reverse layups where he uses the rim to shield the defender and then in just about every other instance in the post where he shuffles his feet first. Yikes.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 26, 2019, 03:55:51 PM
Disagree completely. Wojo has earned none of the trust Buzz nor Beard have. Comparing the poor/overreaction/unfair criticisms of them after poor games does not make criticisms of Wojo after a similar poor game(s) unfounded.

The only thing similar between those three scenarios is all have had a bad game. While Wojo has provided zero evidence needed to give him the trust those two have after a bad game or even run of games. This is year 6 now. He has to actually show us something now.

There's a difference between giving up on a coach and giving up on a team. We have 5 years of data on Wojo so any criticisms or praise sent his way have a large sample size to back it up. The 2019-2020 team only has a sample size of 4 games.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Johnny B on November 26, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
We will learn ALOT about this team from this tournament
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Eldon on November 26, 2019, 07:18:05 PM
Speaking of Morrow, here is a video of him traveling in practice that the MU twitter account just posted :

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1199397086158053376?s=21

Maybe a silly discussion, but you wonder if the coaching staff should emphasize those fundamentals a bit more during practice.

Ok whatever.

And Crean's players? Did none of them ever travel? And as already mentioned, Juan (a Buzz player) traveled all the time. Coach K has had players travel. Jay Wright? Brunson traveled in the National Championship game!! ALL the greats have (and had) players who travel.

You Wojo haters want him fired because of a few run-of-the-mill, commonplace travel violations? Get a grip. Get. A. Grip.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Speaking of Morrow, here is a video of him traveling in practice that the MU twitter account just posted :

https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1199397086158053376?s=21

Maybe a silly discussion, but you wonder if the coaching staff should emphasize those fundamentals a bit more during practice.

How can you tell he traveled when the clip doesn’t show his pivot foot?
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Eldon on November 26, 2019, 07:25:34 PM
Numbers are all from KenPom. Agree that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions based on just 4 games. But it's definitely concerning -- especially with so many experienced players on the roster.

Hmm.

What if I told you that Roy Williams's first four games of his sixth season were half losses?

And what if I told you that Mark Few was 1-3 in in his sixth season's first four games?

What if I told you that Big East LEGEND Jay Wright went 0-4 in his first four games in his sixth season?

You should say "it's not concerning. At all. It's normal in fact. At least for coaching legends it is."

You Wojo haters are ridiculous. A little persepctive please?

Name one coach out there right now who we could replace Wojo with who does NOT have a concerning first four games?

I'll hang up and wait.
Title: Re: Morris less
Post by: Cheeks on November 26, 2019, 07:30:09 PM
Numbers are all from KenPom. Agree that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions based on just 4 games. But it's definitely concerning -- especially with so many experienced players on the roster.

Did you look at TO% for our guys same 4 games in last few years and normalize it to whom we played?

Not only is sample size at issue here in games, but also in possessions.  It’s like the guy who has three home runs in his first 4 games and is on pace to hit 120+ home runs.  Two Big Ten teams in our first four games, too.