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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ZiggysFryBoy on May 01, 2011, 09:55:53 PM
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per cnn and fox.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/01/national/main20058777.shtml
(CBS News)
The founder and spiritual figurehead for al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, is dead.
Several officials confirmed the report to CBS News, and say that his body is currently in U.S. hands.
CBS News correspondent David Martin reports that bin Laden was killed by forces in Afghanistan.
The long-lost terrorist mastermind had eluded an aggressive hunt by U.S. authorities for nearly ten years since the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. on Sept. 11, 2001.
Former State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said on Twitter: "#BinLaden's death does not eliminate the threat from #alQaeda, but it is hard to see anyone playing the same organizational role he did."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/01/usama-bin-laden-dead-say-sources/
Usama bin Laden is dead, multiple sources confirm to Fox News.
President Obama is expected to deliver a statement from the White House Sunday night to discuss the major development.
Sources said bin Laden was killed by a U.S. bomb a week ago. The U.S. had been waiting for the results of a DNA test to confirm his identity.
The announcement comes nearly a decade after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks which started a tireless hunt for the terrorist mastermind and Al Qaeda leader.
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Trump demands Obama show the body as proof.
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Boom
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*modified to appropriately express how proud I am of our troops that our mission of eliminating Bin Laden was accomplished.
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USA USA USA!!!
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FYI, find another forum to make your political jokes. I've already deleted posts from the usual suspects.
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And Victor McCormick steps up to be the first banned after SoCal's succinct warning. Folks, we're not joking here.
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FYI, find another forum to make your political jokes. I've already deleted posts from the usual suspects.
Then why isn't Mission Accomplished deleted....if that isn't meant to be a hit on the former President I'd love to know what is. Especially if someone actually READ what actually happened on that carrier that day (I had 2 friends on that carrier that specific day).
Perhaps it's just hard for some to separate the wheat from the chaff
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
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Then why isn't Mission Accomplished deleted....if that isn't meant to be a hit on the former President I'd love to know what is. Especially if someone actually READ what actually happened on that carrier that day (I had 2 friends on that carrier that specific day).
Perhaps it's just hard for some to separate the wheat from the chaff
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
get a life. can the US take this in before all the partisan BS begins, taking credit, placing blame.
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Kind of wished that MU celebrated OBL death this way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnhDK2j4yag
also through scott van pelts twitter bunch of campuses across the nation were out celebrating, especially at Ohio State, penn State, Iowa state
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Celebrations everywhere with the possible exception of Madistan. (Meant this to be in teal)
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Finally! Hey Osama, how did that work out for you?
USA!
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not to poop in the punchbowl, and i guess im posting it here because i feel the most comfortable opening up here and dont think anyone will take this the wrong way, but isnt celebrating the worlds biggest military industrial complex's assassination of a single terrorist who had been on the run for a decade and hiding in caves sort of counter-productive? we want to hold these thugs up as common criminals, but we take to the streets and chant USA at sporting events - it seems to only reinforce the jihadists' extreme recruiting message of martyrdom and glorification.
idk, maybe thats just my response because it seems weird to celebrate the death of a single person, and im not quite sure how to respond/how im supposed to respond.
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not to poop in the punchbowl, and i guess im posting it here because i feel the most comfortable opening up here and dont think anyone will take this the wrong way, but isnt celebrating the worlds biggest military industrial complex's assassination of a single terrorist who had been on the run for a decade and hiding in caves sort of counter-productive? we want to hold these thugs up as common criminals, but we take to the streets and chant USA at sporting events - it seems to only reinforce the jihadists' extreme recruiting message of martyrdom and glorification.
idk, maybe thats just my response because it seems weird to celebrate the death of a single person, and im not quite sure how to respond/how im supposed to respond.
Yeah, that's how most people felt after Hitler killed himself, too. All this so that one mass murder was eliminated? Wow!
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its not what was done SO a mass murderer was dead. i wasnt criticizing the military action or any of that lead up at all.
im not even criticizing the response.
i guess im just expressing that i dont understand or identify with that response after he is dead. the actions to bring a murderer to justice and the celebration of a discrete instance of death afterwards could not be more different. i guess im just saying that when people attend the executions of those responsible for murdering their loved ones, we don't see them throwing post execution parties, and many might think it odd if they did. the nationalistic response makes me uncomfortable and unsure of how to feel. thats all im trying to say.
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My 16 year old daughter completely sums up my attitude. When I came home from the station this morning, she was getting ready for school and humming "Ding dong, the witch is dead" from the Wizard of Oz. I chuckled, because this song was going through my head intermittently while I was running alarms last night. 20 minutes after I came home, after a few minutes on facebook, she came into the kitchen and said "I cannot BELIEVE how immature some of the boys in my class are." Apparently they were posting some stuff that was pretty out there. And I completely understood both impulses. I'm glad bin Laden is dead. It doesn't bring back any of his victims but closure is a good thing. But in the big picture/long term, I don't know what it changes. On a philosophical/theological aside, I wish I could somehow see where his soul is right now so that I would know if his theology was right or if ours is. And finally, thank you to all of the troops who accomplished this and other heroic deeds over there. Well done.
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Having a few helicopters kill a guy next to Pakistan's biggest military academy and then immediately dump the body to give him a quick sea burial seems fishy to me.
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Having a few helicopters kill a guy next to Pakistan's biggest military academy and then immediately dump the body to give him a quick sea burial seems fishy to me.
Photos will be released soon to verify the death and to show terrorist sympathizers that the face of world terrorism is deceased.
Quick burial was conducted within 24 hours as to abide by Islamic beliefs and burial at sea was not to make a homage terrorist burial site.
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This is pretty cool:
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2011/05/02/heres-the-guy-who-unwittingly-live-tweeted-the-raid-on-bin-laden/
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+1 tower.
I am very happy but in a solemn way. Cheering and chanting seems a little misplaced to me but I guess others must feel differently.
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not to poop in the punchbowl, and i guess im posting it here because i feel the most comfortable opening up here and dont think anyone will take this the wrong way, but isnt celebrating the worlds biggest military industrial complex's assassination of a single terrorist who had been on the run for a decade and hiding in caves sort of counter-productive? we want to hold these thugs up as common criminals, but we take to the streets and chant USA at sporting events - it seems to only reinforce the jihadists' extreme recruiting message of martyrdom and glorification.
idk, maybe thats just my response because it seems weird to celebrate the death of a single person, and im not quite sure how to respond/how im supposed to respond.
I 2nd your sentiment. I grew up in NY and have been on active duty since 83. I was on duty on 9/11. I have many reasons to feel otherwise but this is just another sad chapter to a terrible story. Nothing to celebrate ... worse yet, I suspect that there will be retaliation.
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+1 tower.
I am very happy but in a solemn way. Cheering and chanting seems a little misplaced to me but I guess others must feel differently.
I am not cheering, but I do not begrudge those that do. I worked for a company that lost hundreds of people on 9-11. Worked with some of them. Knew some of the survivors. Horrific story and many who lived it are happy to see obl dead. I can understand some of their celebrations today.
Images are still etched in my mind of the celebrations in some Middle Eastern Countries when they learned of our tragedy. Yes, I think some who are celebrating are venting against those images.
We have made bin laden to be THE enemy. He was an evil man who met his fate, albeit far too late. Some may think this is the end of al queda. But I am guessing some are celebrating this as the end of the conflict against al queda. I doubt it is, far from it.
A tip of the cap to the brave soldiers who went into the belly of the beast and cut off the head!
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Quick burial was conducted within 24 hours as to abide by Islamic beliefs and burial at sea was not to make a homage terrorist burial site.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks :)
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I'm not criticizing those who are celebrating. It just found it odd. Funny that some FB friens who I thought would be celebrating feel the same way I do...and vice versa. I guess people just have different emotional reactions.
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google news
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*deleted to appease Chicos who apparently thinks my comment was politically motivated rather than a statement of how proud I am of our troops that our mission of eliminating Bin Laden was accomplished.
I'm proud as well. Perhaps your comments were meant the way you intended, but based on what I saw last night on Facebook, on the media, and elsewhere, there were plenty of really pathetic shots being taken using those exact words in a mocking tone. If that wasn't your intent, fine. It has been the intent of many other people, commentators, etc trying to somehow score cheap points.
I had two buddies on that carrier and the amount of BS that came from that sign over the years has been incredible. Last night a lot of folks felt they had to get one more sip at that well....if your intent wasn't that, than I apologize. For many others, it was exactly their intent and one need do a search that would take 1 nanosecond for 1000's of examples to show you what I'm talking about.
More importantly, I hope people don't think this ends everything. Listening to our Sec of State this morning I really think some people feel this means the game is over. That is naive thinking.
Congrats to our US Military in a hunt that lasted many years. Death is the ultimate punishment for this animal and it was served. Proud I am
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My 16 year old daughter completely sums up my attitude. When I came home from the station this morning, she was getting ready for school and humming "Ding dong, the witch is dead" from the Wizard of Oz. I chuckled, because this song was going through my head intermittently while I was running alarms last night. 20 minutes after I came home, after a few minutes on facebook, she came into the kitchen and said "I cannot BELIEVE how immature some of the boys in my class are." Apparently they were posting some stuff that was pretty out there. And I completely understood both impulses. I'm glad bin Laden is dead. It doesn't bring back any of his victims but closure is a good thing. But in the big picture/long term, I don't know what it changes. On a philosophical/theological aside, I wish I could somehow see where his soul is right now so that I would know if his theology was right or if ours is. And finally, thank you to all of the troops who accomplished this and other heroic deeds over there. Well done.
I'm in the same camp.
Glad we finally found him (although, the conspiracy side of me thinks we knew where he was for a long time).
Anyways, I'm not sure that outward or public celebrating is really the "right thing". When we see stories on the news with people in the middle east celebrating by shooting guns in the air, most Americans write them off as a group of crazy MFers.
The proverbial shoe is on the other foot now I suppose.
With all of this said, USA has had a rough handful of years (war, economy, natural disasters, etc. etc.)
People are just looking for something positive and patriotic. If this is it, then so be it, worse things could be celebrated I suppose.
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Celebrations everywhere with the possible exception of Madistan. (Meant this to be in teal)
walking a fine line...i love it!!
hope our bullets and/or missles were dipped in pigs blood those muderers deserve nothing. note hamas is critical of our take down of bin loser and we GAVE them how much of OUR money and for what?? we are broke right now. these people(used loosely) want world-wide sharia law. hello NOW!!
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I am happy that some victims' families can get closure after this.
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Glad we finally found him (although, the conspiracy side of me thinks we knew where he was for a long time).
I have heard some stories that said we learned of the curriers name by a Gitmo detainee (and through some of the measures that have subsequently been banned). It took several years to track the guy down. We knew of this location, per the attached article, since August. Aparently we thought about bombing it in March, but Obama wanted the body - for identification purposes.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html)
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I have heard some stories that said we learned of the curriers name by a Gitmo detainee (and through some of the measures that have subsequently been banned). It took several years to track the guy down. We knew of this location, per the attached article, since August. Aparently we thought about bombing it in March, but Obama wanted the body - for identification purposes.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html)
Well, that's not nearly as long as I figured.
I just figured that the CIA or Special Ops had known for a long time, but for political and some sort of secret agenda reasons they hadn't really gone after him.
I have no proof, just thinking that if the US Military really, really, really wanted somebody, they could find him in less than 10 years.
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Well, that's not nearly as long as I figured.
I just figured that the CIA or Special Ops had known for a long time, but for political and some sort of secret agenda reasons they hadn't really gone after him.
I have no proof, just thinking that if the US Military really, really, really wanted somebody, they could find him in less than 10 years.
Why? What would their motivation be?
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http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-600490
An ireport from campus.
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I had two buddies on that carrier
I am pretty sure we read the fighter pilot who flew Bush, and landed him to the deck of the carrier was an MU alum...how cool for him, especially as to the rarity of having the life of a sitting president, one on one in your control, during the flight/landing. For him..that was a special mission accomplished.
I only wished he would have used the moment to ask Bush (or threaten, him under penalty of ditching the plane--lol), for an executive order requiring MU to change back its team name to the Warriors.
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Why? What would their motivation be?
it's all political, but we can't go there or will get a spankin and a time out like victor
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I am pretty sure we read the fighter pilot who flew Bush, and landed him to the deck of the carrier was an MU alum...how cool for him, especially as to the rarity of having the life of a sitting president, one on one in your control, during the flight/landing. For him..that was a special mission accomplished.
I only wished he would have used the moment to ask Bush (or threaten, him under penalty of ditching the plane--lol), for an executive order requiring MU to change back its team name to the Warriors.
YES!!!! well done!!!
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Well, that's not nearly as long as I figured.
I just figured that the CIA or Special Ops had known for a long time, but for political and some sort of secret agenda reasons they hadn't really gone after him.
I have no proof, just thinking that if the US Military really, really, really wanted somebody, they could find him in less than 10 years.
no
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I am pretty sure we read the fighter pilot who flew Bush, and landed him to the deck of the carrier was an MU alum...how cool for him, especially as to the rarity of having the life of a sitting president, one on one in your control, during the flight/landing. For him..that was a special mission accomplished.
I only wished he would have used the moment to ask Bush (or threaten, him under penalty of ditching the plane--lol), for an executive order requiring MU to change back its team name to the Warriors.
LOL
Yes, you are correct, it was the first and only time in history that NAVY ONE became the call sign of the transport for the President of the United States. Marine One and Air Force One are obvious, but Marquette graduate Commander Skip Lussier had control of the flight stick for the only time in US history as a US President was aboard NAVY ONE.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Navy_One.jpg/800px-Navy_One.jpg)
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Fair enough. I have no inside information, no political agenda... just some random speculation on my behalf.
Satellites, spy planes, special ops, millions of dollars to purchase key information, I guess I figured they could find him sooner.
Not really a big deal.
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Fair enough. I have no inside information, no political agenda... just some random speculation on my behalf.
Satellites, spy planes, special ops, millions of dollars to purchase key information, I guess I figured they could find him sooner.
Not really a big deal.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-inside-the-raid-that-killed-bin-laden-59898.html
Here you go. This is the best concise article I have come across and answers numerous questions.
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Having a few helicopters kill a guy next to Pakistan's biggest military academy and then immediately dump the body to give him a quick sea burial seems fishy to me.
I know you acknowledged your oversight, and a lot of information has come out today. Really though, some people are so anxious to buy into conspiracy theory it amazes me.
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note hamas is critical of our take down of bin loser and we GAVE them how much of OUR money and for what?? we are broke right now. these people(used loosely) want world-wide sharia law.
Apparently Glenn Beck has found a new home on MU Scoop.
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insightful obituary in the Times today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/02osama-bin-laden-obituary.html?pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/02osama-bin-laden-obituary.html?pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig)
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http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-inside-the-raid-that-killed-bin-laden-59898.html
Here you go. This is the best concise article I have come across and answers numerous questions.
This article already has some serious holes in it.Bin Laden did not use wife as a human shield, that was already debunked earlier today by the Seals. "One of the most gutsiest calls of any president”...could there be any more cheer leading with that statement. Gutsy is dropping an A-Bomb on a city that will kill 100,000 people and having to live with the decision. There are even some stories tonight that those secret prisons that so many people despised and wanted closed down were actually the venues where the key information was gathered in 2005, 2006, and 2008. Some are even claiming waterboarding was the key.
The stories keep changing and I'm sure through the years we will hear from folks off the record as well. I'm thrilled Osama is gone. God Bless Bush and Obama for setting up the process and sticking to it until he was dead. I can't say the same thing about when all this stuff happened 13 years ago and nothing was done because it was a "law enforcement" issue.
Al Queda isn't dead and will want to show the world they are not. They are also a patient bunch and could wait months or years to decide to say hello again. We must remain ever vigilant but unfortunately we don't. We get smug, lazy, let down our guard as human nature often dictates will happen. That is when we will be at our most vulnerable.
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Not related to the discussions here, but the first 10 minutes of the Daily Show tonight were spectacular. I'm sure there will be video up tomorrow. Worth a view.
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Not related to the discussions here, but the first 10 minutes of the Daily Show tonight were spectacular. I'm sure there will be video up tomorrow. Worth a view.
Spectacular in what way? I can only assume Stewart is in a full cheerleading outfit with pompoms at this point. It's amazing how many people get their 'news' from the Daily Show
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There are even some stories tonight that those secret prisons that so many people despised and wanted closed down were actually the venues where the key information was gathered in 2005, 2006, and 2008. Some are even claiming waterboarding was the key.
The loosest of connections at best to waterboarding and it seems a huge stretch. http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/05/02/the-osama-bin-laden-trail-shows-waterboarding-didnt-work/
Your general point about how we need to wait for all the facts though, is probably right.
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The loosest of connections at best to waterboarding and it seems a huge stretch. http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/05/02/the-osama-bin-laden-trail-shows-waterboarding-didnt-work/
Your general point about how we need to wait for all the facts though, is probably right.
Most definitely agree. Yesterday we first heard that the wife was used as a shield and killed - later, she was not used as a shield, was injured and survived. We also heard that waterboarding of khalid sheikh mohammed first gave us the courier's information. Later that was disproved. Who knows right now, as much of the information is still being scrubbed anyway.
What we know is the bad man is dead, but the organization and other leaders survive. I hope we as a Country are willing to see this through and do not believe it is over just because bin laden is dead.
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Spectacular in what way? I can only assume Stewart is in a full cheerleading outfit with pompoms at this point. It's amazing how many people get their 'news' from the Daily Show
How about watch it, then respond? Just sayin'
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How about watch it, then respond? Just sayin'
Judge Dredd has spoken Reinko.
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STORY CHANGED: OSAMA DIDN'T HAVE GUN, DIDN'T USE WIFE AS HUMAN SHIELD...
Click to view story:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html
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OK...so it sounds as though some details were mixed up in the "fog of war." Apparently some woman was used as a human shield during the raid.
You make it sound as if it's a huge conspiracy of some sort.
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Spectacular in what way? I can only assume Stewart is in a full cheerleading outfit with pompoms at this point. It's amazing how many people get their 'news' from the Daily Show
Jeez. I didn't say it was news. It was entertaining.
Lighten up Francis.
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Chicos- Here are the videos. Mind you, I don't agree with his take on Al Qaeda at the end of the second video, I think he's underestimating them. But the rest of it I thought was pretty good.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/big-deady
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-2-2011/to-kill-a-mockingturd
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Interesting Op-Eds in the Wall Street Journal today. Essentially saying that the "Arab street," while still not pro-American by any means, is much less "pro-violence" than they were a decade ago. That most Muslims had basically viewed bin Laden as a burden, and even though AQ made a huge effort to impact what went on in Egypt, they were largely ignored.
So while I agree with you that it will never be "over," I think the world is safer than it used to be.
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Oh, yeah, the Daily Show .. The audience actually gets less informed for having watched, bunch of dumb asses they are.
Oh, wait.
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/pewtv.GIF)
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Jeez. I didn't say it was news. It was entertaining.
Lighten up Francis.
+1. I don't usually watch Daily Show but caught it last night, thought it was really good. Thanks for that topper. Chicos, posting well after midnight, I thought lights out at the home was 8 p.m.
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Stewart's leanings get a bit tiresome at times, but last night was hysterical.
"So we shouldn't have killed Bin Laden cause the terrorists might attack us? You know who won't see that? Bin Laden, cause she shot out his eyes and now he lives in a pineapple under the sea..."
Politics aside, thats just hilarious and some of those movie posters were brilliant. I was dying
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Does topper actually want to cite a source there?
Caught Stewart this morning on a few blogs. thought he was pretty good. Thats usually the only way I watch the show. Usually its only when Stewart is "on." Colbert was pretty good too. Colbert has waned on me though. the more I watch the daily show the more I see Colbert is the left over jokes.
On a personal note, I'm jealous of the SEAL who got to pull the trigger.
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OK...so it sounds as though some details were mixed up in the "fog of war." Apparently some woman was used as a human shield during the raid.
You make it sound as if it's a huge conspiracy of some sort.
I didn't make it sound like that all. In fact, in a previous post I said things will change, the stories always do. No conspiracy theory, but any of these things there will be a version that doesn't size up with what comes out of the spin machine and that's true for any administration.
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Sure chicos. All caps wasn't meant for effect at all. (Gimme a break...)
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This article already has some serious holes in it.Bin Laden did not use wife as a human shield, that was already debunked earlier today by the Seals. "One of the most gutsiest calls of any president”...could there be any more cheer leading with that statement. Gutsy is dropping an A-Bomb on a city that will kill 100,000 people and having to live with the decision. There are even some stories tonight that those secret prisons that so many people despised and wanted closed down were actually the venues where the key information was gathered in 2005, 2006, and 2008. Some are even claiming waterboarding was the key.
The stories keep changing and I'm sure through the years we will hear from folks off the record as well. I'm thrilled Osama is gone. God Bless Bush and Obama for setting up the process and sticking to it until he was dead. I can't say the same thing about when all this stuff happened 13 years ago and nothing was done because it was a "law enforcement" issue.
Al Queda isn't dead and will want to show the world they are not. They are also a patient bunch and could wait months or years to decide to say hello again. We must remain ever vigilant but unfortunately we don't. We get smug, lazy, let down our guard as human nature often dictates will happen. That is when we will be at our most vulnerable.
It seems like you are looking for reasons to be mad and/or ways that this is a partisan issue.
I'm just not sure that it is.
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Oh, yeah, the Daily Show .. The audience actually gets less informed for having watched, bunch of dumb asses they are.
Oh, wait.
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/pewtv.GIF)
Hmmm, don't recall ever saying someone got dumb by watching the Daily Show. I watch the Daily Show, I like the Daily Show, but I don't rely on it as my sole news sources.
That study say where else they are getting their info, or if so it would be nice to see that. I watch the Daily Show, I know my current events better than most. I would come up rating very high on that list but under what category...I also get news from many other places, too. I'd have to ask if this study is saying audiences of Daily Show that DO NOTHING ELSE score that way? Or is it a combination of many news outlets, liberal, conservative, moderate, that happen to be Daily Show viewers. That's a significantly different premise.
Two, because someone can "identify" who Putin is that determines of they are intelligent? Furthermore, HOW do they view Putin, or Palin, or Obama, or whomever. The Daily Show just like any of these other shows may tell you who they are but then they also insert their point of view in shaping who these people, events, etc are to fit their agenda. Is it the proper agenda, the proper viewpoint...or even the COMPLETE picture?
Two, if you receive all of your news from only one slanted perspective, you are cheating yourself IMO. All one is doing is reaffirming their position, looking for an attaboy from the talking head to put their views on a plate, cleansed and ready to be chomped down.
Those that get all their news from MSNBC, the NY Times and Huff Post have a decidedly different collection of events to view their news because of what is offered and the prism it is offered through. No different than if you only receive your news from Fox, Wall Street Journal and National Review. People should taste from multiple perspectives. Every day I read the NY Times front page, LA Times, Wash Post, WSJ, and watch CNN and Fox, listen to NPR driving home. Diehard Real Clear Politics reader that has stories broken out by genre and brings in articles on a topic with vastly different viewpoints. Good stuff. Same issues, many different perspectives.
I think Stewart is a cheerleader, I know what I'm getting into when I watch him. He's funny but no way am I going to get all my worldly views from him or Bill Maher, or Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. Some people that's their deal...I believe their cheating themselves.
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Does topper actually want to cite a source there?
Pew Research Center:
http://people-press.org/2007/04/15/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/
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It seems like you are looking for reasons to be mad and/or ways that this is a partisan issue.
I'm just not sure that it is.
As usual, Chicos is looking to prove to everybody that he's the smartest guy in the room. That is his only objective - ever.
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Not only the smartest guy in the room, but the guy who says something...BUT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING BY IT!!
Like the annoying little brother who contantly annoys everyone.
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Sure chicos. All caps wasn't meant for effect at all. (Gimme a break...)
Sigh. If you must know, and perhaps the moderators can prove this, it was a cut and paste from a headline link from another source sent through my iPhone. In other words, I didn't type any of it...that was all cut and paste.
I didn't capitalize any of it. I got it either from RCP, Drudge Retort (liberal version of Drudge) or Drudge Report
Sorry, but you're just wrong on this accusation
UPDATE: Like I indicated, it was just a cut and paste fro one of those sites but I couldn't remember which one. Look at the middle of the page on the graphic below...EXACT replica...I simple cursored it on the iphone, pasted it and the link into MuScoop. Nothing sinister. Glad I was able to GIVE YOU A BREAK (purposely put in caps ;D )
(http://i56.tinypic.com/qxte87.jpg)
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It seems like you are looking for reasons to be mad and/or ways that this is a partisan issue.
I'm just not sure that it is.
The only thing that has me mad about this whole thing are the folks that are so naive to think this ends terrorism. I see those reports, mostly on liberal sites and such, and I wonder what utopian, marshmellow, unicorn world they live in. That would be the only thing that makes me mad. Unfortunately there are a few of these naive folks that actually reside in our gov't today, and that affects us all. There are some hard core right wingers that feel this way at all. Maybe they are right. Maybe the world is ready to do a big kumbaya
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+1. I don't usually watch Daily Show but caught it last night, thought it was really good. Thanks for that topper. Chicos, posting well after midnight, I thought lights out at the home was 8 p.m.
Little League didn't end until well after 8:00pm. Worked late on a number of things for work. Most important reports of my day come out at 12:07am so I'm usually up each early morning to see those reports on how the day went.
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Why do I feel like I am in a Mad Libs reading of a Buzz vs Crean argument from a few months back?
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K, you didn't get my joke. You're an old curmudgeon who is clearly partisan towards this and apparently all other issues, but feel the need to try to convince us all that you're not, ad nauseum. What I've seen is constant reinforcement that the war on terror is not over (across news sources) even though the figure head is gone, not a liberal spin that the war on terror is over.
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K, you didn't get my joke. You're an old curmudgeon who is clearly partisan towards this and apparently all other issues, but feel the need to try to convince us all that you're not, ad nauseum. What I've seen is constant reinforcement that the war on terror is not over (across news sources) even though the figure head is gone, not a liberal spin that the war on terror is over.
Why was my response deleted moderators? I gave a number of concrete examples of 5 Senators and Congressmen that are now talking about pulling out because Bin Laden is dead. I did not disparage anyone, did not call out anyone...why was it deleted?
Hoosier, I didn't think your joke was funny, otherwise I would have noted it. How am I being partisan on this issue? Please explain. I'm THRILLED Osama is dead. I am thrilled and proud of our US Military and thrilled that Obama kept after this guy and finished what the previous regime had started. Thrilled. Please tell me what I'm partisan about.
I'm glad you have seen constant reinforcement, I've been reading the words and watching the videos of both Republican and Democrat lawmakers ready to high tail it out of there. Barney Frank, Mike Honda, Dick Lugar, Carl Levin, etc, etc. Some asking for IMMEDIATE withdrawl. I provided quotes and links, but for some reason that was deleted. WOW.
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Sigh. If you must know, and perhaps the moderators can prove this, it was a cut and paste from a headline link from another source sent through my iPhone. In other words, I didn't type any of it...that was all cut and paste.
I didn't capitalize any of it. I got it either from RCP, Drudge Retort (liberal version of Drudge) or Drudge Report
Sorry, but you're just wrong on this accusation
UPDATE: Like I indicated, it was just a cut and paste fro one of those sites but I couldn't remember which one. Look at the middle of the page on the graphic below...EXACT replica...I simple cursored it on the iphone, pasted it and the link into MuScoop. Nothing sinister. Glad I was able to GIVE YOU A BREAK (purposely put in caps ;D )
Normally I would apologize, but you're kind of being insufferable today....or more insufferable than usual...
I love the victimization in your latest post. Classic Chicos...
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1) Plugging the movie Restrepo for anyone who hasn't seen it. It is an incredible glimpse into the realities of counterinsurgency warfare in Afganistan and is the work of the late Tim Hetherington.
Watch it FREE (if you have Netflix): http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Restrepo/70129360?trkid=2361637
2) Anyone who is saying terrorism is over is guilty of hyperbole. However, this is the closest to a VA Day that we are going to get and $2,000,000,000.00 per week is going to be harder to justify with Osama on the floor of the Arabian Sea.
Edit: Just realized it took me about 5 minutes to write this and did the math on that = $1,000,000.00 per 5 minutes...wild
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Normally I would apologize, but you're kind of being insufferable today....or more insufferable than usual...
I love the victimization in your latest post. Classic Chicos...
Kind of a douchey move on your part Sultan. He got you on this one. You called him out, he proved you wrong and you still don't apologize. On top of that there are people here insinuating the guy is not happy Osama is dead? That's douchey, no other way to call it.
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Mods, a sincere sorry for posting that pic. I just thought it was funny. I didn't think before posting. Wasn't trying to make your life difficult.
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I didn’t get a chance to read your response before it was deleted, but I’m guessing it was deleted for good cause, as all inappropriate posts are. Here I’m assuming it was due to a political rant. You want examples of your partisanship? Thanks for asking. Here are some specifics:
1) Whining about “mission accomplished”, enough said.
2) “I see those reports, mostly on liberal sites and such, and I wonder what utopian, marshmellow, unicorn world they live in.” I dare you to defend this as non-partisan.
3) Calling Jon Stewart, a well known liberal COMEDIAN, a cheerleader. And what prompted your characterization of Stewart? A post, applauding the show last night. The show is supposed to be funny, and it is most definitely slanted politically. You also created the idea that Daily Show viewers watch that show for their news to the exclusion of all other news sources. When someone calls The Daily Show “spectacular”, they’re saying its funny, but you decided to spin that to your liking. If you actually watched it, you would’ve seen it wasn’t political at all, it was just making fun of bin Laden.
But I would say it mostly has to do with your tone, after decrying liberal sites that -to paraphrase your words- naively think this (bin Laden’s death) ends the war on terror, you sarcastically say the world is ready for a big kumbaya. I can read between the lines. This is really all I care to say about this, as its completely off topic go figure, but I expect a defense of your non-partisanship until you're blue in the face.
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The only thing that has me mad about this whole thing are the folks that are so naive to think this ends terrorism. I see those reports, mostly on liberal sites and such, and I wonder what utopian, marshmellow, unicorn world they live in. That would be the only thing that makes me mad. Unfortunately there are a few of these naive folks that actually reside in our gov't today, and that affects us all. There are some hard core right wingers that feel this way at all. Maybe they are right. Maybe the world is ready to do a big kumbaya
Chicos, I think you are a smart, well-read guy, but I think you are really looking for something to be pissed about.
It seems like you are reading some stuff, internalizing it, and then making a broad conclusion based upon your political slant.
(MY CHICO'S IMPRESSION)
"Liberal" news sources are claiming the war on terror is over, so the libs must be in spin mode and now Obama will take FULL credit (even though republication-backed water torture was a key element), get reelected and continue to run this country into the ground!
(Chico's throws hands up in the air in disgust).
(END SCENE)
Obviously I'm taking some poetic license here, but this is what it seems like you are doing.
It seems like you are hunting around for a reason that this is bad. I'm just not sure that it's there.
(edit: shortened up, I was ranting before).
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I wish I could have read the whole rant. :D
Good stuff
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I am very happy that Bin Laden was taken out. I applaud President Obama and his advisors for a courageous plan. Kudos to the Seals for brilliantly executing the plan. This was an outcome that should be celebrated by Americans of all political persuations.
I'm also grateful to hear glowing, not grudging, praise for our military. I'm glad people aren't critical about the go it alone "cowboy diplomacy" nature of the mission. I'm glad that virtually no one is grousing about the mission violating international law or worrying out loud that this will "cause them to hate us" or be used as a recruitment tool for the terrorists. In short, I'm glad we stand unified. Wish it had happened years ago. Hope it lasts.
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Restrepo is great. I have my own take/messages drawn from this very compelling work, but you should watch it, and reach your own. The news of the photog being killed is more sad, having seen his incredible skill in doing this docu.His work is a memorial.
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Restrepo is great. I have my own take/messages drawn from this very compelling work, but you should watch it, and reach your own. The news of the photog being killed is more sad, having seen his incredible skill in doing this docu.His work is a memorial.
+1, excellent documentary. Too bad that the filmmaker was killed recently while making a film in Libya :(
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I am very happy that Bin Laden was taken out. I applaud President Obama and his advisors for a courageous plan. Kudos to the Seals for brilliantly executing the plan. This was an outcome that should be celebrated by Americans of all political persuations.
I'm also grateful to hear glowing, not grudging, praise for our military. I'm glad people aren't critical about the go it alone "cowboy diplomacy" nature of the mission. I'm glad that virtually no one is grousing about the mission violating international law or worrying out loud that this will "cause them to hate us" or be used as a recruitment tool for the terrorists. In short, I'm glad we stand unified. Wish it had happened years ago. Hope it lasts.
+1 It is also rather ironic that the complaints registered for so many years against one Pres are not to be found now. Makes me chuckle at the flip flopping going on, but if this is what it takes for some of these folks to finally get on board...amen.
Three cheers for waterboarding as well!! Hip hip, hooray. Hip hip, hooray. Drip drip, hooray. ;)
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you just cant unnatural carnal knowledgeing help yourself, can you?
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Rabble rabble rabble
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Restrepo is great. I have my own take/messages drawn from this very compelling work, but you should watch it, and reach your own. The news of the photog being killed is more sad, having seen his incredible skill in doing this docu.His work is a memorial.
For anyone who enjoyed the documentary, I strongly recommend you pick up Sebastian Junger's companion book, 'War.'
It's like the movie, but better.
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+1 It is also rather ironic that the complaints registered for so many years against one Pres are not to be found now. Makes me chuckle at the flip flopping going on, but if this is what it takes for some of these folks to finally get on board...amen.
Three cheers for waterboarding as well!! Hip hip, hooray. Hip hip, hooray. Drip drip, hooray. ;)
Probably because this President was actually successful at something the prior one let himself get too distracted to accomplish. Just sayin ;)
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Look everybody I am sure he has a buddy who was at Gitmo for all the waterboardings and told him that it works; and any research or bother testimony to the contrary are just damn lies because people who toe the line of torture are under no pressure to justify their behavior. Regardless, I think it is clear that Julian Assange is Bizarro Chicos.
Pakuni, thanks for the tip! I'll check it out next time I get a chance.
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+1 It is also rather ironic that the complaints registered for so many years against one Pres are not to be found now. Makes me chuckle at the flip flopping going on, but if this is what it takes for some of these folks to finally get on board...amen.
Three cheers for waterboarding as well!! Hip hip, hooray. Hip hip, hooray. Drip drip, hooray. ;)
See, you just confirm what I posted before.
A victory for the U.S., and you search out the partisan comments and get yourself worked up.
This is not a democrat vs republican issue.
The reason you are getting pissy is that you strongly identify with one political party, so even when something good happens, you find something to get worked up about. The democrats are hypocrites. Shocking. So are republicans. It's the nature of modern politics, and it's sucks.
Partisan politics are stupid.
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The reason you are getting pissy is that you strongly identify with one political party, so even when something good happens, you find something to get worked up about. The democrats are hypocrites. Shocking. So are republicans. It's the nature of modern politics, and it's sucks.
Partisan politics are stupid.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZTgth0_rClg/TbksjWiuqJI/AAAAAAAACTY/ZE9DsshaAJ8/s1600/facepalm.jpg)
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See, you just confirm what I posted before.
A victory for the U.S., and you search out the partisan comments and get yourself worked up.
This is not a democrat vs republican issue.
The reason you are getting pissy is that you strongly identify with one political party, so even when something good happens, you find something to get worked up about. The democrats are hypocrites. Shocking. So are republicans. It's the nature of modern politics, and it's sucks.
Partisan politics are stupid.
I don't disagree with you, but do you hold the same view of AtlWarrior's post?
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I don't disagree with you, but do you hold the same view of AtlWarrior's post?
Not really.
Obama and his administration should get the appropriate amount of credit, while keeping in mind the previous regime did a lot of leg work as well.
I'm an independent voter, so I have no problem giving credit to both administrations, no matter how polarizing they may be.
My beef in this thread has more to do with people searching for partisan politics, when in reality, this is an issue we all can unite on.
Kum ba ya M.F.er's!
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Not really.
Obama and his administration should get the appropriate amount of credit, while keeping in mind the previous regime did a lot of leg work as well.
I'm an independent voter, so I have no problem giving credit to both administrations, no matter how polarizing they may be.
My beef in this thread has more to do with people searching for partisan politics, when in reality, this is an issue we all can unite on.
Kum ba ya M.F.er's!
So partisan political jabs only bother you one way? Yeah, real independent there. Real independent. ::)
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The killing of Osama bin Laden is an occasion for deep reflection. It must become a turning point in our nation's nearly decade-long wars in response to the tragedy of 9/11. As people of faith, and as Catholics who, only days ago, celebrated Christ's victory over condemnation, torture and death, we pause in this moment in a posture of prayer and repentance. As Christians we are troubled by the displays of celebration and call upon all people of good will to pause and reflect rather than rejoice and exalt. We pray for the victims of that terrible day in September: for their families and loved ones, whose lives were changed forever; we pray for the first responders whose sacrifice and heroism inspired a shocked and grieving nation and who laid down their lives in an effort to save others; and for the countless volunteers who spent weeks amidst the rubble, dust and death at Ground Zero and who continue to suffer serious health effects today. However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.
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I feel like I've had about a million different emotional reactions since this news came across. First it was excitement at the news, then worry over potential backlash, and following that a mix of pride, contemplation, hope, and acknowledgment of the need for vigilance at this time. But today a buddy of mine showed me the picture (or at least one of them) that apparently the government won't release, or at least one of them. And at that point, all I felt was a sense of justice for what that sumbitch did to 343 brothers I never had the chance to know on 9/11/2001.
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The killing of Osama bin Laden is an occasion for deep reflection. It must become a turning point in our nation's nearly decade-long wars in response to the tragedy of 9/11. As people of faith, and as Catholics who, only days ago, celebrated Christ's victory over condemnation, torture and death, we pause in this moment in a posture of prayer and repentance. As Christians we are troubled by the displays of celebration and call upon all people of good will to pause and reflect rather than rejoice and exalt. We pray for the victims of that terrible day in September: for their families and loved ones, whose lives were changed forever; we pray for the first responders whose sacrifice and heroism inspired a shocked and grieving nation and who laid down their lives in an effort to save others; and for the countless volunteers who spent weeks amidst the rubble, dust and death at Ground Zero and who continue to suffer serious health effects today. However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.
Of all the left wing wussie bin Laden apologist responses I've seen, this one takes the cake! Nice job, lady.
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So partisan political jabs only bother you one way? Yeah, real independent there. Real independent. ::)
Hmmm...
Well, I've really only engaged Chico's specifically because it was about 3 posts into this thread that it started to become partisan.
Mac, your point is fair however, so I hate you too, ATL Warrior. Blind partisanship is for suckers.
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This is not a democrat vs republican issue.
Could not agree with you more...hate both parties...always will. It's an issue between right and wrong, however.
It's funny, I bring up water boarding and immediately people make it a partisan thing...why? Plenty of Republicans were against it (McCain, etc) and some Democrats for it....some of you guys went there, not me.
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However, we also mourn our nation's misguided response to the events of 9/11, the carnage and mayhem unleashed, the distortion of our deepest values, the abandonment of our highest principles and ultimate subversion of our national character. And so our prayers extend beyond those victims of September 11th and focus also on the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and across the globe as a direct result of our response.
Afghanistan and Pakistan in particular were havens of peace and prosperity prior to the U.S. response to 9/11.
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Look everybody I am sure he has a buddy who was at Gitmo for all the waterboardings and told him that it works; and any research or bother testimony to the contrary are just damn lies because people who toe the line of torture are under no pressure to justify their behavior. Regardless, I think it is clear that Julian Assange is Bizarro Chicos.
Pakuni, thanks for the tip! I'll check it out next time I get a chance.
Nope....no friends at Gitmo. I just believe what the CIA interrogators that actually do it say about it, especially the ones that aren't scrubbed politically to say one thing while still under the employment of the gov't (and thus their opinions are not truly free without potential recourse).
http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/04/did-torture-get-the-us-osama-bin-laden/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8491509/Osama-bin-Laden-killed-CIA-admits-waterboarding-yielded-vital-information.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-owes-thanks-and-an-apology-to-cia-interrogators/2011/05/03/AFka7tlF_story.html
So you can throw all your "research and testimony" in the trash can as far as I'm concerned....the proof is in the pudding and the experts are stating so. Even Panetta, CIA Director, had to back down today and for once wasn't able to rule it didn't help (a huge back down from what he's said in the past).
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Afghanistan and Pakistan in particular were havens of peace and prosperity prior to the U.S. response to 9/11.
you forgot the teal.
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This pretty much says it all for me
(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz050411dAPR20110504014517.jpg)
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So you can throw all your "research and testimony" in the trash can as far as I'm concerned....the proof is in the pudding and the experts are stating so. Even Panetta, CIA Director, had to back down today and for once wasn't able to rule it didn't help (a huge back down from what he's said in the past).
Of course they are stating so, but thats not the point I want to make. I don't care if it did lead to crucial information or not. Once the debate on torture started becoming about whether or not it worked, we were already missing the real point, imho. Shepard Smith said it best (and thats something I will likely never say again)
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Hmmm...
Well, I've really only engaged Chico's specifically because it was about 3 posts into this thread that it started to become partisan.
Mac, your point is fair however, so I hate you too, ATL Warrior. Blind partisanship is for suckers.
MuMac and 2002,
My post was NOT "blind partisanship" as I am disgusted by either party equally.
Chicos asked why there were people who now seemed ok with the means used to get bin laden who had objected earlier. I stated that people's objections were diminished (probably only for the short term) because we actually found him. Sudden success in a difficult long-term endeavor has a way of making people forget the sacrifices required to get there.
As far as the previous administration changing course before accomplishing this particular mission, that's a matter of history, not partisanship.
Chicos over the top almost rapturous support of torture is an entirely different question and one that is hard to reconcile for a guy that received a fine Jesuit education and probably takes his family to church frequently.
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"Of all the left wing wussie bin Laden apologist responses I've seen, this one takes the cake! Nice job, lady."
Name calling's a start, I guess.
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Hey mods...kind of wondering why this hasn't been locked. You were the ones saying people should be careful...
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MuMac and 2002,
My post was NOT "blind partisanship" as I am disgusted by either party equally.
Chicos asked why there were people who now seemed ok with the means used to get bin laden who had objected earlier. I stated that people's objections were diminished (probably only for the short term) because we actually found him. Sudden success in a difficult long-term endeavor has a way of making people forget the sacrifices required to get there.
As far as the previous administration changing course before accomplishing this particular mission, that's a matter of history, not partisanship.
Chicos over the top almost rapturous support of torture is an entirely different question and one that is hard to reconcile for a guy that received a fine Jesuit education and probably takes his family to church frequently.
I don't disagree with your statement (above), but your last post came off as a shot at Bush, which I feel immediately puts some people on the defensive, and then the partisanship starts/continues.
To be honest, I've posted too much in this thread and wasted too much time on it. My initial point was that some people are too hardcore about their own politics that it gets in the way of seeing the actual point.
It's not any different than the Buzz vs Crean junk, so I suppose I just need to ignore this stuff too.
Bin Laden is gone. Team America. F. Yeah.
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And..... Scene.
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This is why we can't have nice things.