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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TrojanWarrior on March 21, 2023, 04:21:18 PM
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The Friar board is saying some extra-curricula activities compelling the Cooley's quick exit. PC admin letting it roll given the issues, they say. Bynum now in the portal. At least one commit wants to be released. Providence picked Cooley because he was a local guy and he signed an extension last September. They now have to face two former coaches (Pitino and Cooley) at least 4 times a year. They are hoping for Billy Donovan to go back to college ranks. They are looking at a half decade (at least) pivot back to competitiveness.
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Lol man I thought that fanbase was delusional before. They really think Billy Donovan is going to coach Providence? If he really wants to chase 14-18 year old kids around and beg them to play for him, then pay them money that PC doesn't have, he'll probably be doing it for Texas or a program a bit better than Providence. Providence can get a decent coach. They cannot get a coach like Billy Donovan.
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The Friar board is saying some extra-curricula activities compelling the Cooley's quick exit. PC admin letting it roll given the issues, they say. Bynum now in the portal. At least one commit wants to be released. Providence picked Cooley because he was a local guy and he signed an extension last September. They now have to face two former coaches (Pitino and Cooley) at least 4 times a year. They are hoping for Billy Donovan to go back to college ranks. They are looking at a half decade (at least) pivot back to competitiveness.
What do you consider competitive and why do you assume it'll take over 5 years?
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What do you consider competitive and why do you assume it'll take over 5 years?
Shaka did it in 2 years, so any other coach would need 5.
Losing Bynum is a plus for PC. Only Curbelo at SJ was a better player for their team's opponent.
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Lol man I thought that fanbase was delusional before. They really think Billy Donovan is going to coach Providence? If he really wants to chase 14-18 year old kids around and beg them to play for him, then pay them money that PC doesn't have, he'll probably be doing it for Texas or a program a bit better than Providence. Providence can get a decent coach. They cannot get a coach like Billy Donovan.
They say Donovan wants out of the NBA and was a PC grad... just reporting what they are saying.
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What do you consider competitive and why do you assume it'll take over 5 years?
I am just curating what is being said on the PC board... I have no clue about the goings east of Federal Hill...
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Outside of Shaka leaving MU in the next month, there is nothing that would surprise me in college basketball. Would say PC landing Billy is a longshot, it would not shock me. It is the wild west and everything is in play, imo.
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Shaka did it in 2 years, so any other coach would need 5.
Losing Bynum is a plus for PC. Only Curbelo at SJ was a better player for their team's opponent.
I mean...Shaka really did it in 1.
Marquette was an 8 seed last year that was ranked in the Top25 for like half of Shaka's 1st season.
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I mean...Shaka really did it in 1.
Marquette was an 8 seed last year that was ranked in the Top25 for like half of Shaka's 1st season.
Shaka's success is two standard deviations from the mean... why he is a COY candidate... PC could be in for a few years of rebuilding... Guessing Kolek is really happy PC said we already have enough guards, kid.
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Outside of Shaka leaving MU in the next month, there is nothing that would surprise me in college basketball. Would say PC landing Billy is a longshot, it would not shock me. It is the wild west and everything is in play, imo.
Lot of money in Texas, not just Austin
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Did he kill anyone at an AutoZone?
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Rico
There is a lot of money everywhere today and I think it is going to going to be a spending free at a high level. Even in keeping coaches and players. I am looking forward to all of the action.
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Billy Donovan was over the NBA, the Bulls experiment isn’t going great and I’d imagine Artūras Karnisovas wouldn’t be too devastated if they amicably parted ways.
Might be a good way for Donovan to save face and head back home to coach his alma mater for the twilight of his coaching career, if he’s looking to make a move to that area and wants to be in the northeast.
Would seem like a huge surprise hire to everyone, but why not if they can splurge and make him happy financially?
It would be another awesome step forward for the conference, so I’m all for it.
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Billy Donovan is walking away from $6+ million a year in the NBA (on a recently extended contract) to spend his summers at AAU tournaments and Friday nights in high school gyms?
Interesting.
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Billy Donovan is walking away from $6+ million a year in the NBA (on a recently extended contract) to spend his summers at AAU tournaments and Friday nights in high school gyms?
Interesting.
Probably not this year but if the right job opens, *coughs kentucky*, I can see it
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I mean, I would probably be happy Cooley left as a providence fan if I got Donovan to replace him. And if I were a Georgetown fan I'd be jealous I only got Cooley when stj and prov got multiple national championship winning coaches.
But yeah being a tenured respected NBA coach (Not one of those guys who get to coach like charlotte or sacramento for 3 years then vanish) is likely a better gig than providence, so I don't think it would happen.
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Probably not this year but if the right job opens, *coughs kentucky*, I can see it
Kentucky pays more than the Bulls. Providence does not.
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Kentucky pays more than the Bulls. Providence does not.
Correct. Providence will not be hiring Billy Donovan
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Billy Donovan is walking away from $6+ million a year in the NBA (on a recently extended contract) to spend his summers at AAU tournaments and Friday nights in high school gyms?
Interesting.
Exactly.
Not to mention, even if that’s his dream, he could let just about any athletic director in the country know he wants their job and that job would open up for him. There are maybe 5 schools in the country that wouldn’t cut their coach to bring in Billy Donovan. Alum or not, I can’t see any way Billy is coaching at Providence.
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Exactly.
Not to mention, even if that’s his dream, he could let just about any athletic director in the country know he wants their job and that job would open up for him. There are maybe 5 schools in the country that wouldn’t cut their coach to bring in Billy Donovan. Alum or not, I can’t see any way Billy is coaching at Providence.
Just in the big east I dont think us, X, Creighton, STJ, or Georgetown would. Uconn might not either. That's before we get to the likes of Kansas, Baylor, Gonzaga, etc. But the point being he could more or less pick a job remains, however.
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Did he kill anyone at an AutoZone?
Bo blew that dumping ground.
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I feel bad for Providence. But free country and free market.
Hope we can hang on to Shaka. It would be a gut punch if like Shaka jumped to Wisky.
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I feel bad for Providence. But free country and free market.
Hope we can hang on to Shaka. It would be a gut punch if like Shaka jumped to Wisky.
They're a football school. Shaka has already gone through this.
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Zero chance of Donovan. He's going to stay in the NBA, or go to a major job if he comes back. If he ever goes to a job like Providence, it will be Pitino style in 15 years.
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Providence may be in a freefall, but we might not be too far away from a Villanova last place finish. It is possible.
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The Friar board is saying some extra-curricula activities compelling the Cooley's quick exit. PC admin letting it roll given the issues, they say. Bynum now in the portal. At least one commit wants to be released. Providence picked Cooley because he was a local guy and he signed an extension last September. They now have to face two former coaches (Pitino and Cooley) at least 4 times a year. They are hoping for Billy Donovan to go back to college ranks. They are looking at a half decade (at least) pivot back to competitiveness.
What type of activities?
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What type of activities?
Fornication
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3460582/i-just-dont-think-its-a-good-look-providences-ad-delivered-a-great-rant-firing-shots-at-georgetown-for-hiring-ed-cooley
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3460616/i-dont-care-what-jeff-goodblum-says-ed-cooley-is-satan
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What type of activities?
Alleged indiscretions of Cooley. Not the first time by what the some on the board say. Feel sorry for the players, they seemed to like playing for him.
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I'm positive Bulls fans will help Billy move his stuff. Maybe kick in for the relocation. Possible help pay in his first year salary at PC.
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The NBA pays you more to work 8 months a year
The NCAA pays you less to work 13 months a year
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Billy Donovan was over the NBA, the Bulls experiment isn’t going great and I’d imagine Artūras Karnisovas wouldn’t be too devastated if they amicably parted ways.
Might be a good way for Donovan to save face and head back home to coach his alma mater for the twilight of his coaching career, if he’s looking to make a move to that area and wants to be in the northeast.
Would seem like a huge surprise hire to everyone, but why not if they can splurge and make him happy financially?
It would be another awesome step forward for the conference, so I’m all for it.
He's 57. He could easily coach another 15-20 years.
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Kim English, btw
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Kim English, btw
Things seems to be going that way. I hope he gets a bit of a leash there. Going to be a tough gig for a few seasons with momentum at UConn and seemingly GTown now. Couple that with Pitino at St. John’s and the Dence starting over
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He has one sweet sixteen in 12 years. Sorry but that’s not that great. If Shaka has one sweet sixteen after 12 years we’d be calling for his head. Thankfully I think he’ll have plenty but people acting like Cooley is Phil Jackson
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He has one sweet sixteen in 12 years. Sorry but that’s not that great. If Shaka has one sweet sixteen after 12 years we’d be calling for his head. Thankfully I think he’ll have plenty but people acting like Cooley is Phil Jackson
He’s also had more success than any other Providence coach. He hasn’t been to a Final Four but the sustained winning of his tenure hasn’t been something they’ve had in the modern era.
I’m always torn on him. I think he’s done great work at Providence but you’re right, they haven’t taken a next step.
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He’s also had more success than any other Providence coach. He hasn’t been to a Final Four but the sustained winning of his tenure hasn’t been something they’ve had in the modern era.
I’m always torn on him. I think he’s done great work at Providence but you’re right, they haven’t taken a next step.
Personally, I always thought that where he got them was basically their ceiling.
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Personally, I always thought that where he got them was basically their ceiling.
You could be right. There’s a lot of competition in their neck of the woods and they had this stretch with a clueless St. John’s and UConn debacle with Ollie and the AAC.
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Kim English might end up doing well, but that would he an uninspiring hire. Two mediocre years at George Mason. His assistant track record is 2 years at Tulsa, 2 at Colorado, and 2 at Tennessee. Always climbing the ladder but not sticking around very long.
That track record looks very risky. He either fizzles out at Providence or moves on to a better job in 4-5 years.
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Kim English might end up doing well, but that would he an uninspiring hire. Two mediocre years at George Mason. His assistant track record is 2 years at Tulsa, 2 at Colorado, and 2 at Tennessee. Always climbing the ladder but not sticking around very long.
That track record looks very risky. He either fizzles out at Providence or moves on to a better job in 4-5 years.
Keno Davis?
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Keno Davis?
Keno Davis would be a good example of fizzling out.
Rick Barnes would be a good example of parlaying modest success into a new job. 3 NCAA appearances in 6 years, zero tourney wins, left Providence for Clemson.
While researching Barnes' history, I discovered that he coached one year at George Mason before being hired at Providence. So, not only did Kim English coach 2 years under Barnes, he might mimic Barnes going to George Mason for a brief stay and then to Providence.
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Keno Davis would be a good example of fizzling out.
Rick Barnes would be a good example of parlaying modest success into a new job. 3 NCAA appearances in 6 years, zero tourney wins, left Providence for Clemson.
While researching Barnes' history, I discovered that he coached one year at George Mason before being hired at Providence. So, not only did Kim English coach 2 years under Barnes, he might mimic Barnes going to George Mason for a brief stay and then to Providence.
Scoop favorite Pete Gillen also did a stint at Providence.
Interestingly, he left Xavier to take the job--I think today it would be more likely that a move in the opposite direction would be the career upgrade.
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Scoop favorite Pete Gillen also did a stint at Providence.
Interestingly, he left Xavier to take the job--I think today it would be more likely that a move in the opposite direction would be the career upgrade.
I think X was still in the MCC when he took the job
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There's a long-seen contrast between Providence and UConn: both are never good for long at the same time. When PC was up in the 1970s and mid 1980s, UConn was generally down. The years of UConn's dominance came at a period when PC was not doing well.
The Huskies are back in the Big East and are ascendant. PC could easily be the next Butler without an impact coaching hire.
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He’s also had more success than any other Providence coach. He hasn’t been to a Final Four but the sustained winning of his tenure hasn’t been something they’ve had in the modern era.
I’m always torn on him. I think he’s done great work at Providence but you’re right, they haven’t taken a next step.
I view Cooley's track record and move to GU as very comparable to Willard and his move to Maryland. I don't remember everyone getting so worked up about the Willard hire though. I guess it's different given the Cooley's roots and the intra-conference move.
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I view Cooley's track record and move to GU as very comparable to Willard and his move to Maryland. I don't remember everyone getting so worked up about the Willard hire though. I guess it's different given the Cooley's roots and the intra-conference move.
That shouldn't be a guess.
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I view Cooley's track record and move to GU as very comparable to Willard and his move to Maryland. I don't remember everyone getting so worked up about the Willard hire though. I guess it's different given the Cooley's roots and the intra-conference move.
Of course it's the fact that he moved to a conference rival. But not only that, it appears this was in the works while the team was both struggling down the stretch and trying to win games both in the BET and NCAA Tournament. Their fans have every right to loathe him.
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Of course it's the fact that he moved to a conference rival. But not only that, it appears this was in the works while the team was both struggling down the stretch and trying to win games both in the BET and NCAA Tournament. Their fans have every right to loathe him.
Agree. No problem at all with a coach moving to another team (wish he went to a different conference), but I think Cooley knew perfectly well that Georgetown would come calling.
A 50-something SH fan behind me at the BET said that he heard about the impending hire and that was why, he opined, that the PC team was beaten so badly. I thought "this is just BS speculation". I doubt that he had inside info. It was not on the web yet, but obviously (20/20 hindsight) the news was out.
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Of course it's the fact that he moved to a conference rival. But not only that, it appears this was in the works while the team was both struggling down the stretch and trying to win games both in the BET and NCAA Tournament. Their fans have every right to loathe him.
"worked up" was a poor choice of words given all the drama with Cooley. I meant that I don't remember everyone considering the Willard hire to be a homerun hire the way the Cooley hire at GU is and I think they have similar track records and moving to similar caliber of jobs, but understandable given the position GU is in and desperately needing a shot of life into that program.
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Kim English might end up doing well, but that would he an uninspiring hire. Two mediocre years at George Mason. His assistant track record is 2 years at Tulsa, 2 at Colorado, and 2 at Tennessee. Always climbing the ladder but not sticking around very long.
That track record looks very risky. He either fizzles out at Providence or moves on to a better job in 4-5 years.
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That’s what young coaches do. They get experience at different places and move up the ladder.
Some dude named Shaka Smart was an assistant coach at FOUR different places within TEN years, before being hired as HC at VCU.
Shaka as an assistant:
California (PA) 2 years.
Akron 3 years.
Clemson 2 years.
Florida 1 year.
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Personally, I always thought that where he got them was basically their ceiling.
Yea, I have nothing against PC, but they have 3 second weekend appearances in 50 years. One of those was with a top 5 college coach of all time who isn't coming back.
Fun fact, that 1987 PC FF team had Herb Sendek, Stu Jackson, and Jeff Van Gundy as assistants to Pitino. Pretty wild.
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That’s what young coaches do. They get experience at different places and move up the ladder.
Some dude named Shaka Smart was an assistant coach at FOUR different places within TEN years, before being hired as HC at VCU.
Shaka as an assistant:
California (PA) 2 years.
Akron 3 years.
Clemson 2 years.
Florida 1 year.
Right on cue ;D ;D ;D ;D
Though you're not wrong. His assistant track isn't risky. His mild performance at GMU is though.
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That’s what young coaches do. They get experience at different places and move up the ladder.
Some dude named Shaka Smart was an assistant coach at FOUR different places within TEN years, before being hired as HC at VCU.
Shaka as an assistant:
California (PA) 2 years.
Akron 3 years.
Clemson 2 years.
Florida 1 year.
I understand a lot of assistant coaches have similar experiences. But Shaka didn't leave VCU at his first opportunity. He stuck around to prove he was more than a flash in the pan. He really had to earn that next job.
Kim English doesn't have a lot on his head coaching resume. He doesn't have a natural tie to Providence or the NE. He doesn't have a long track record at any of his assistant coaching stops. For a team that has been in the top half of the BE lately, it's an underwhelming hire. Who knows, maybe he'll do great, but as of today I see it as a very risky hire.
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I understand a lot of assistant coaches have similar experiences. But Shaka didn't leave VCU at his first opportunity. He stuck around to prove he was more than a flash in the pan. He really had to earn that next job.
Kim English doesn't have a lot on his head coaching resume. He doesn't have a natural tie to Providence or the NE. He doesn't have a long track record at any of his assistant coaching stops. For a team that has been in the top half of the BE lately, it's an underwhelming hire. Who knows, maybe he'll do great, but as of today I see it as a very risky hire.
“Always climbing the ladder and not sticking around for long.” is what you said, and you listed several assistant stops in support of it.
What if I told you Tom Crean coached at 4 different places in 8 years prior to Michigan St. What if I told you Mime Deane coached at 4 different places in 8 years prior to Michigan St. What if I told you Kevin O’Neill coached at 5 different places in 7 years before Arizona.
Now the goalposts have moved to be head coaching stops and not young assistants:
Buzz Williams, 1 year New Orleans.
Rick Barnes 1 year George Mason.
All of this Rick Pitino Providence talk, and he coached there all of 2 years before leaving.
The list is pretty long here.
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Fine, you win. Your argument is stronger than mine. We'll see how it works out.
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"worked up" was a poor choice of words given all the drama with Cooley. I meant that I don't remember everyone considering the Willard hire to be a homerun hire the way the Cooley hire at GU is and I think they have similar track records and moving to similar caliber of jobs, but understandable given the position GU is in and desperately needing a shot of life into that program.
The program flatlined the past two years. The rent in that building is only surpassed by MSG.
(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_414.jpg)
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Mime Deane
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Fine, you win. Your argument is stronger than mine. We'll see how it works out.
It’s not a contest. I think the point is that it’s common to move around as you move up as a young coach. There are a variety of ways to do it and still be successful.
English may or may not be successful but taking it seems to make sense.
You can skip down to the money part or you can read the other stuff too.
As for why the interest in him. The coaches he played against, worked for, worked against, all think he’s a multi threat, total package in a variety of areas instead of just good at one thing. He’s particularly close with Barnes, Anderson, Boyle, etc…as well several others.
He has experience in the Pac 12, SEC, AAC, A10, Big 12 as a player, and now the Big East.
I’m not sure what was expected in 2 seasons at George Mason considering the last time they were competitive, Jim Larranaga was coaching them in the Colonial.
I think he knows what he is getting into at Providence. He played prep ball up the road about 50 miles and he’s friends with some coaches on the area.
George Mason hoops expenses:
$5 Million.
Providence hoops expenses:
$14 million.
The previous head coach at Providence made in the $4 million range. It shows they are willing to pay competitively. He made $925k at George Mason plus bonuses.
If he has success, he’ll get Power 5 opportunities and he may leave. If he doesn’t he won’t.
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His assistant track isn't risky. His mild performance at GMU is though.
There isn't much resume to judge, but it seems concerning that four of his top-five rotation players for 2023 were 2022 returnees and he had a ton of high-major down-transfers, yet despite improving the W/L record, his adjusted efficiency margin and predictive ranks were significantly worse. He had roster consistency and an on-paper talent advantage, yet his team performed significantly worse.
The Three Man Weave folks also aren't very high on him, and as 2/3 of that group are Mizzou alums (like English) that seems a little concerning. Maybe he'll kill it, maybe he's that undiscovered great coach who PC wouldn't be able to lure in 5 years, but I'm hard pressed to think he's a better hire than a Pat Kelsey or Matt Langel would've been.
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They should’ve hired Brian Wardle
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There isn't much resume to judge, but it seems concerning that four of his top-five rotation players for 2023 were 2022 returnees and he had a ton of high-major down-transfers, yet despite improving the W/L record, his adjusted efficiency margin and predictive ranks were significantly worse. He had roster consistency and an on-paper talent advantage, yet his team performed significantly worse.
The Three Man Weave folks also aren't very high on him, and as 2/3 of that group are Mizzou alums (like English) that seems a little concerning. Maybe he'll kill it, maybe he's that undiscovered great coach who PC wouldn't be able to lure in 5 years, but I'm hard pressed to think he's a better hire than a Pat Kelsey or Matt Langel would've been.
Yea I feel this is a hire based of the buzz he had as an assistant up to his time under Barnes at Tennessee as opposed to factoring his actual performance at GMU.
Unless he turned down approaches, shocked Langel didn’t land somewhere this cycle
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They should’ve hired Brian Wardle
Nah - they know he’s holding out for the Marquette job.
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Nah - they know he’s holding out for the Marquette job.
Wardle heads to Providence and then we poach him in 3-5 years. Providence loses two coaches in-conference back to back.
The English hire is ehh to me - Barnes did it from GM 30 years ago and Barnes likes English seems to be the thought. I would have liked to see Archie come up the street from RI but his year 1 results were underwhelming. Besides wanting to pound the crud out of GTown every year, Providence could have brought that NE temper to their Xavier H2H as well.
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Steve Napolillo:
"I thought the AD at Georgetown was a mentor to me and a friend."
"I understand the business, but I thought, at the Big East, we had something different."
"We had respect. We had integrity."
"That's been completely thrown out the door."
https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1639021475809116162?s=20
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Steve Napolillo:
"I thought the AD at Georgetown was a mentor to me and a friend."
"I understand the business, but I thought, at the Big East, we had something different."
"We had respect. We had integrity."
"That's been completely thrown out the door."
https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1639021475809116162?s=20
He is speaking to and for a PC audience. He did not say anything that is untrue so let him vent. Good to see passion from a fellow BE school. This (losing a coach) would be a big "nothing burger" to an AD and fan base of the Horizon League but BE basketball matters.
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Nah - they know he’s holding out for the Marquette job.
Then Wardle will be an old man because I'm confident Coach Shaka will be our's for years to come.
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Then Wardle will be an old man because I'm confident Coach Shaka will be our's for years to come.
I'm going to disagree with you on that.
Shaka will retire in 7 years after winning 3 NCs. ;D
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I can live with that…😁
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Then Wardle will be an old man because I'm confident Coach Shaka will be our's for years to come.
#sarcasm 😊
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Steve Napolillo:
"I thought the AD at Georgetown was a mentor to me and a friend."
"I understand the business, but I thought, at the Big East, we had something different."
"We had respect. We had integrity."
"That's been completely thrown out the door."
https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1639021475809116162?s=20
Lightweight stuff from Napolillo, he comes across like a baby. It's just business, there is no loyalty in business.
Also, the velocity with which they moved on Kim English leads me to believe Napolillo (among others) knew for some time what was about to transpire. GU is a clear upgrade, it's not that hard to understand.
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Steve Napolillo:
"I thought the AD at Georgetown was a mentor to me and a friend."
"I understand the business, but I thought, at the Big East, we had something different."
"We had respect. We had integrity."
"That's been completely thrown out the door."
https://twitter.com/IanSteeleABC6/status/1639021475809116162?s=20
(https://i.imgur.com/BMrsdCj.jpg)
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Given how quickly this all transpired at PC, I wonder what kind of search they could have done before they hired English. It all only took about three days. PC may not be the most elite job in the country, or even in the BE, but it is a really good, solid job at an established basketball school with sustained recent success. You would think a number of successful mid-major coaches would jump at that chance as well as some top assistants at power programs. But in just three days, t hey decide that English is exactly what they want.
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Given how quickly this all transpired at PC, I wonder what kind of search they could have done before they hired English. It all only took about three days. PC may not be the most elite job in the country, or even in the BE, but it is a really good, solid job at an established basketball school with sustained recent success. You would think a number of successful mid-major coaches would jump at that chance as well as some top assistants at power programs. But in just three days, t hey decide that English is exactly what they want.
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If Mike Tranghese was involved, his voice still resonates at Providence
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Lightweight stuff from Napolillo, he comes across like a baby. It's just business, there is no loyalty in business.
Also, the velocity with which they moved on Kim English leads me to believe Napolillo (among others) knew for some time what was about to transpire. GU is a clear upgrade, it's not that hard to understand.
Remember that lightweight baby Bo Schembechler railing on his basketball coach for leaving. What else can you expect from second tier programs like Michigan and PC?
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
Guess the Dence doesn’t understand 2A
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
Hope he wasn’t trying to Breed illegally, that’s an entirely separate charge.
The court system spells it out in plain English that you can’t do that.
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I am bullish on English Enterprises .
Retaining Hopkins and Carter , plus the addition of All A 10 Oduro and other another promising recruit, Fernandez. from George Mason is a very good foundation .
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I am bullish on English Enterprises .
Retaining Hopkins and Carter , plus the addition of All A 10 Oduro and other another promising recruit, Fernandez. from George Mason is a very good foundation .
I’m not.
Hopkins and Carter is an amazing start, but a patch job for a year 1 that will have some powerhouse opponents in UConn, Marquette, Creighton.
After that, I can see him being in trouble long term.
Not that I don’t think he’s a capable head coach, more so that I just think he will be vastly overmatched.
Smart, Miller, Hurley, McDermott, Pitino, Cooley. That’s an elite top 6.
Holloway, English, Matta, Neptune, Stubblefield. Good luck against those top 6.
Sure, it’ll take a bit of time for Cooley and maybe a year or two for Pitino, but I expect Ricks impact to be quick because mother time will make him rush and reach compared to Ed.
Notice my top 6- I listed them in order of my expected BE success going forward.
Shaka gets the nod via COY this season, but imo there is a clear top 3 with Shaka, Miller, and Hurley. McDermott will always be in play, including this upcoming season.
Ed and Pitino have to prove it but they will show their brass barring unexpected circumstances.
That then leaves the others. This is a pretty extreme take but I don’t expect Neptune to make it more than 2 more seasons, same with Stubblefield. They will try, but competition is too tough. Matta is a complete wildcard- this season made him look cooked but he’s got the chops to figure something out and make himself relevant again, he’s just an unknown.
English I think will have a decent season this year with the holdovers (NCAA bid, lower seed), but I think he runs into tough sledding after that. No science to that thought, just instinct.
Holloway I am probably way higher on than most- I think he has a great career at SH and makes it a long successful tenure. Defense travels, and he has and will continue to coach it successfully.
At the end of the day if I had to handicap I’d say Coaches Smart, Miller, and Hurley are the cream of the crop in the BE for years to come, order unknown at this point.
Hurley is working on a big leg up right now
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Someone start a poll for coaches success over the next 5 years, since I don’t know how.
Takes 5 years to judge
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I’m not.
Me neither. Hopkins and Carter are nice, but by and large it's those two and the backups to a team that barely made the tournament. Maybe they're a bubble team again, but if bubble is the best they could do with Bynum, Croswell, and Locke, why would we expect better from the guys who couldn't take their minutes?
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... but I expect Ricks impact to be quick because mother time will make him rush and reach...
This has been Rick's problem wherever he's coached, hey!
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kim english has a little history with marquette...
As a freshman, English worked his way into the starting lineup, starting 13 out of 16 Big 12 games.[2] In the second round of the 2009 NCAA tournament, with Missouri tied 79–79 with Marquette, English came off the bench to replace an injured J.T. Tiller and hit two free throws to give Missouri an 81–79 lead en route to an 83–79 victory.[4]
scratching my head on the hire however-anyone have any insight? ties to providence except he's from baltimore and went to notre dame prep(fitchberg, mass) 2 full seasons with head coaching experience 34-29
is dusty may untouchable? or is there going to be a bigger program calling?
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kim english has a little history with marquette...
As a freshman, English worked his way into the starting lineup, starting 13 out of 16 Big 12 games.[2] In the second round of the 2009 NCAA tournament, with Missouri tied 79–79 with Marquette, English came off the bench to replace an injured J.T. Tiller and hit two free throws to give Missouri an 81–79 lead en route to an 83–79 victory.[4]
scratching my head on the hire however-anyone have any insight? ties to providence except he's from baltimore and went to notre dame prep(fitchberg, mass) 2 full seasons with head coaching experience 34-29
is dusty may untouchable? or is there going to be a bigger program calling?
Why would Dusty May leave a team that just went to the Final 4 that has all its starters scheduled to be back next year to go to Providence? Why would he go to a league he has never coached in when the majority of his experience is in the south/southeast and his alma mater is Indiana?
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Why would Dusty May leave a team that just went to the Final 4 that has all its starters scheduled to be back next year to go to Providence? Why would he go to a league he has never coached in when the majority of his experience is in the south/southeast and his alma mater is Indiana?
why would ed cooley leave a program he has built for 12 years with a 242-153 record, hero status and essentially keys to the city to a huge rival right up the road pissing off quite a few million people?
going to a league he has never coached in? what does that have to do with anything? oh, they must play b-ball with a football down there in south/southeast? i am pretty sure many up in providence have heard of dusty by now and quite frankly, would probably soothe some of the open, oozing wounds left by the departure of eddy
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scratching my head on the hire however-anyone have any insight? ties to providence except he's from baltimore and went to notre dame prep(fitchberg, mass) 2 full seasons with head coaching experience 34-29
is dusty may untouchable? or is there going to be a bigger program calling?
Hiring Final Four coaches is really difficult because by the time their season ends, you are 3 weeks into the portal. Unless you know who you are getting (Shaheen Holloway to SHU) it's not as common for people to go directly off that big run. I imagine May will be a hot commodity in the years to come, but in the past we've seen guys like Jim Larranaga, Shaka Smart, and Porter Moser stay at their jobs for a few years beyond that initial Final Four run before moving on.
As far as why English, sounds like the new Providence AD read a 75-word capsule about him in Sports Illustrated and decided that was karma so he hired him. There's some talk that English has the right personality and people really like him. Seems like his strength is probably recruiting, and some of the talk around him was that Providence probably wouldn't be able to get him in 5 years so might as well get him now.
Personally, I think that's incorrect. The Three Man Weave guys follow Mizzou closely (English's alma mater) and they are not high on him, basically indicating he's charismatic but doesn't have much substance as a coach. His on-court results showed improvement in terms of record, but decline in terms of efficiency with most of the same team back. I don't think he's a very good coach. Maybe he'll develop into one, but if I were ranking the Big East coaches 1-11 he would be 11 and I'm not sure it's particularly close now that Ewing is gone.
I think Matt Langel at Colgate would've been a much better and more substantial hire, but English was the guy who would win the press conference.
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Carter and Hopkins have already transferred once. The NCAA sent out a notice that players transferring a 2nd time will likely have to sit out a year. Grad transfers wouldn't, but all others would be subject to a strict waiver process. And coaching changes do not meet the threshold to qualify for a waiver, as the notice explicitly stated.
So that made it a lot easier for English to retain Carter and Hopkins. How English recruits will determine the rest of the roster quality. So far, I haven't been impressed with his roster additions.
As others have mentioned, the league has a strong group of coaches at the top. English definitely has his work cut out for him.
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
First PC had a player's brother who was on probation walking onto the court. Now, if convicted (and with maybe eligibility left after completing his sentence), maybe we will see a convicted player on the court.
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why would ed cooley leave a program he has built for 12 years with a 242-153 record, hero status and essentially keys to the city to a huge rival right up the road pissing off quite a few million people?
going to a league he has never coached in? what does that have to do with anything? oh, they must play b-ball with a football down there in south/southeast? i am pretty sure many up in providence have heard of dusty by now and quite frankly, would probably soothe some of the open, oozing wounds left by the departure of eddy
Because Georgetown has a higher ceiling
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Hiring Final Four coaches is really difficult because by the time their season ends, you are 3 weeks into the portal. Unless you know who you are getting (Shaheen Holloway to SHU) it's not as common for people to go directly off that big run. I imagine May will be a hot commodity in the years to come, but in the past we've seen guys like Jim Larranaga, Shaka Smart, and Porter Moser stay at their jobs for a few years beyond that initial Final Four run before moving on.
As far as why English, sounds like the new Providence AD read a 75-word capsule about him in Sports Illustrated and decided that was karma so he hired him. There's some talk that English has the right personality and people really like him. Seems like his strength is probably recruiting, and some of the talk around him was that Providence probably wouldn't be able to get him in 5 years so might as well get him now.
Personally, I think that's incorrect. The Three Man Weave guys follow Mizzou closely (English's alma mater) and they are not high on him, basically indicating he's charismatic but doesn't have much substance as a coach. His on-court results showed improvement in terms of record, but decline in terms of efficiency with most of the same team back. I don't think he's a very good coach. Maybe he'll develop into one, but if I were ranking the Big East coaches 1-11 he would be 11 and I'm not sure it's particularly close now that Ewing is gone.
I think Matt Langel at Colgate would've been a much better and more substantial hire, but English was the guy who would win the press conference.
all good stuff here brew, but me thinks if (big IF) dusty may were to come over to providence post season, it would turn quite a few heads and catch the attention of some pretty good players wanting to play for the guy coming off an eye opening season despite it being late in the portal
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
Candidate to transfer to Alabama where he’ll be welcomed with open “arms”?
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Candidate to transfer to Alabama where he’ll be welcomed with open “arms”?
Buzz would take him at A&M
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why would ed cooley leave a program he has built for 12 years with a 242-153 record, hero status and essentially keys to the city to a huge rival right up the road pissing off quite a few million people?
going to a league he has never coached in? what does that have to do with anything? oh, they must play b-ball with a football down there in south/southeast? i am pretty sure many up in providence have heard of dusty by now and quite frankly, would probably soothe some of the open, oozing wounds left by the departure of eddy
Rocket:
It is alleged that Cooley had some extra marital Hanky Panky going on . Had to get out of town . G Town a nice landing spot with good coin .
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Rocket:
It is alleged that Cooley had some extra marital Hanky Panky going on . Had to get out of town . G Town a nice landing spot with good coin .
that's funny...well not for his present wife, but not really a place to get into witness protection. his present wife is probably all for the extra money part of the deal.
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why would ed cooley leave a program he has built for 12 years with a 242-153 record, hero status and essentially keys to the city to a huge rival right up the road pissing off quite a few million people?
going to a league he has never coached in? what does that have to do with anything? oh, they must play b-ball with a football down there in south/southeast? i am pretty sure many up in providence have heard of dusty by now and quite frankly, would probably soothe some of the open, oozing wounds left by the departure of eddy
Didn't think this through did you.
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Didn't think this through did you.
sully? that you sully? only kidding ( i think) about that badger fan thingy
yes i did think it thru harda$$, but as with many message boards, an exchange of thoughts and ideas are always nice conversation. it usually brings up things maybe other people are privy to for example.
i know in your world however, you already know everything and you were just itching to get a jab in and another post # to your resume. unfortunately most of them are horse hockey anyway, but carry on buddy
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Hiring Final Four coaches is really difficult because by the time their season ends, you are 3 weeks into the portal. Unless you know who you are getting (Shaheen Holloway to SHU) it's not as common for people to go directly off that big run. I imagine May will be a hot commodity in the years to come, but in the past we've seen guys like Jim Larranaga, Shaka Smart, and Porter Moser stay at their jobs for a few years beyond that initial Final Four run before moving on.
As far as why English, sounds like the new Providence AD read a 75-word capsule about him in Sports Illustrated and decided that was karma so he hired him. There's some talk that English has the right personality and people really like him. Seems like his strength is probably recruiting, and some of the talk around him was that Providence probably wouldn't be able to get him in 5 years so might as well get him now.
Personally, I think that's incorrect. The Three Man Weave guys follow Mizzou closely (English's alma mater) and they are not high on him, basically indicating he's charismatic but doesn't have much substance as a coach. His on-court results showed improvement in terms of record, but decline in terms of efficiency with most of the same team back. I don't think he's a very good coach. Maybe he'll develop into one, but if I were ranking the Big East coaches 1-11 he would be 11 and I'm not sure it's particularly close now that Ewing is gone.
I think Matt Langel at Colgate would've been a much better and more substantial hire, but English was the guy who would win the press conference.
I don’t know if Kim English will do well or not at Providence. Time will tell over the next several years.
Then how do you explain Brian Wardle? You advocated for Marquette to hire him even though his efficiency numbers worsened from the year prior, and had done so multiple times in that 4 year stretch. It took him 3 seasons to get to 124 KenPom, and then it went to 161, 107, and 146 at the time.
“I would be on board with Wardle now.”
“No one realistic will have a markedly better resume.”
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Where’s Ziggy
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sully? that you sully? only kidding ( i think) about that badger fan thingy
yes i did think it thru harda$$, but as with many message boards, an exchange of thoughts and ideas are always nice conversation. it usually brings up things maybe other people are privy to for example.
i know in your world however, you already know everything and you were just itching to get a jab in and another post # to your resume. unfortunately most of them are horse hockey anyway, but carry on buddy
You could have just said "no, I didn't think this through"
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https://www.abc6.com/providence-college-student-athlete-facing-gun-domestic-assault-charges/
Ruh roh
If he played for the Johnnies DA Katz or Bragg just might look the other way.
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Where’s Ziggy
Here. What's up?
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Here. What's up?
Someone is getting pretty worked up defending a Mizzou grad
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Someone is getting pretty worked up defending a Mizzou grad
No. The only person getting worked up (unsurprisingly) is you. Others are replying to posts on a thread topic.
You could insert Buzz Williams too besides Wardle. His 213 KenPom at New Orleans was not an improvement upon the prior season.
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Someone is getting pretty worked up defending a Mizzou grad
I'll let Archman have some run here.
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Because Georgetown has a higher ceiling
Because these programs rely on the "crack fix". Thus Georgetown has a higher ceiling because they can deliver more NIL!
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Because these programs rely on the "crack fix". Thus Georgetown has a higher ceiling because they can deliver more NIL!
No, Georgetown has a higher ceiling
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Interview with talented freshman Jayden Pierre on his decision to return to English Enterprises
https://www.wpri.com/sports/college/pc-hoops/1-on-1-jayden-pierre-reveals-decision-to-return-to-friartown/amp/