Vaccinations & Antibodies

[Hards Alumni]

Yeah this is where I am as well.  Unless it is in heath care, I am not for a workplace requirement for vaccination either.

You know, we're living in a society.

[jesmu84]

You're opposed to requiring farmers that receive agricultural subsidies from abiding by certain land-use practices? Or corporations that receive economic incentives or credits from meeting hiring quotas?
Or do you mean individual benefits only?

Correct. Individual benefits.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

You know, we're living in a society.

Yep. One that I believe is best served by giving people choices within certain parameters.

[Pakuni]

Yep. One that I believe is best served by giving people choices within certain parameters.

Virtually nobody disagrees with this, and least not here. The difference is where we set the parameters.

[Hards Alumni]

Yep. One that I believe is best served by giving people choices within certain parameters.

George Costanza would be disappointed in you.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Virtually nobody disagrees with this, and least not here. The difference is where we set the parameters.

Right. I get that.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

When it comes to government requirements, I'm NOT pro vax mandate. I am pro vax OR regular testing mandate.

If a private organization wants to require vax (and not give a regular testing option) then that's their choice to make.

I further believe every government subsidy/benefit should be universal without means-testing or other requirements and that includes vaccines.

Technically, the Executive Order is mandated testing, with an exemption for vaccination.

[MU82]

COVID-19 surge in many states, especially in the southwest, and mostly among the unvaccinated.

[pacearrow02]

COVID-19 surge in many states, especially in the southwest, and mostly among the unvaccinated.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Mostly in the Southwest??

[MU82]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Mostly in the Southwest??

I had just heard an NPR report about how bad things were in Colorado and Arizona ... but thanks for supplying that link.

Yes, selfish and/or misinformed unvaccinated people from all across the United States -- but mostly from counties that voted for Trump -- continue to undermine efforts to return life to pre-pandemic normalcy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/briefing/covid-death-toll-red-america.html

In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from Covid, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened.

[tower912]

Putting ivermectin in the drinking water like fluoride would fix that.
Tough to get it into wells, though.

[MU82]

Got my booster yesterday. Went with Pfizer after having gotten Moderna for the first 2 last spring.

I read up on it extensively and most felt that the "mix and match" approach would either give the same protection vs serious covid or perhaps even a little more, so the advice was to just go with whatever was available. And at my local CVS, they had the Pfizer.

So far, no adverse reaction.

[forgetful]

In my state, Cops who contract COVID and die from it are deemed to have been killed in the line of duty. As a result they and their family get extensive benefits both from the state and federal level. All the while, most of them being anti-vax.

Meanwhile, teachers are vilified, and forced to teach regardless of prior health conditions, and in some cases and some states, are not allowed to even enforce a mask mandate. They contract and die of COVID and no one cares. Essentially shut up and teach.

Can anyone explain the logic of this to me.

[Hards Alumni]

In my state, Cops who contract COVID and die from it are deemed to have been killed in the line of duty. As a result they and their family get extensive benefits both from the state and federal level. All the while, most of them being anti-vax.

Meanwhile, teachers are vilified, and forced to teach regardless of prior health conditions, and in some cases and some states, are not allowed to even enforce a mask mandate. They contract and die of COVID and no one cares. Essentially shut up and teach.

Can anyone explain the logic of this to me.

Hero worship of police due to propaganda.  Not surprisingly because since 9/11 we treat them like members of the military.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.

We've been dragging teachers through the mud for 50 years, so that part isn't surprising.

[Pakuni]

Hero worship of police due to propaganda.  Not surprisingly because since 9/11 we treat them like members of the military.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.

We've been dragging teachers through the mud for 50 years, so that part isn't surprising.

87% of cops are male.
76% of teachers (and 89% of elementary school teachers) are female.

[tower912]

In my state, Cops who contract COVID and die from it are deemed to have been killed in the line of duty. As a result they and their family get extensive benefits both from the state and federal level. All the while, most of them being anti-vax.

Meanwhile, teachers are vilified, and forced to teach regardless of prior health conditions, and in some cases and some states, are not allowed to even enforce a mask mandate. They contract and die of COVID and no one cares. Essentially shut up and teach.

Can anyone explain the logic of this to me.

And it has killed more of them than anything else the last 18 months.

Yes, tearing down the teachers has been a recurring theme for a long time.   
And the anti-vaxxers are now doing it to health care workers.   

[Galway Eagle]

Hero worship of police due to propaganda.  Not surprisingly because since 9/11 we treat them like members of the military.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.

Except when they're in your way to stop the steal, then they're communist stormtroopers sent to put down real patriots.

[jesmu84]

Hero worship of police due to propaganda.  Not surprisingly because since 9/11 we treat them like members of the military.  Which is absolutely ridiculous.

We've been dragging teachers through the mud for 50 years, so that part isn't surprising.

Which is ironic given how we treat military members after they complete their service

[MU82]

Except when they're in your way to stop the steal, then they're communist stormtroopers sent to put down real patriots.

Hey man ... when you gotta get to Mike Pence to hang him, those commie cops better not get in the way. Law and order, don'tcha know?

[Lennys Tap]

87% of cops are male.
76% of teachers (and 89% of elementary school teachers) are female.

90% of those incarcerated in the US are male

10% are female.

[JWags85]

In my state, Cops who contract COVID and die from it are deemed to have been killed in the line of duty. As a result they and their family get extensive benefits both from the state and federal level. All the while, most of them being anti-vax.

Meanwhile, teachers are vilified, and forced to teach regardless of prior health conditions, and in some cases and some states, are not allowed to even enforce a mask mandate. They contract and die of COVID and no one cares. Essentially shut up and teach.

Can anyone explain the logic of this to me.

Better union positioning I would imagine.  Also, one is far more likely to die in the line of duty, thus provisions are more likely to be generous/standard for such a thing.

[Pakuni]

90% of those incarcerated in the US are male

10% are female.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Better union positioning I would imagine.  Also, one is far more likely to die in the line of duty, thus provisions are more likely to be generous/standard for such a thing.

While this is undoubtedly true, I think the prevailing political narrative has been pro-police, and while not anti-teacher, has certainly not been supportive of education in a similar manner. 

[JWags85]

While this is undoubtedly true, I think the prevailing political narrative has been pro-police, and while not anti-teacher, has certainly not been supportive of education in a similar manner.

I don't disagree.  Just more speaking to why the risk benefits are unequal.

[Lennys Tap]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur

My meaningless statistic following your two meaningless statistics.

Just having a little fun.