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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenEagleExchange on August 16, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
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If MU can't land Stone, I would love to land this kid from Rice Lake. Ranked 23 in the 2015 class.
http://midwestballers.com/?p=2100
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143158/henry-ellenson
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If MU can't land Stone, I would love to land this kid from Rice Lake. Ranked 23 in the 2015 class.
http://midwestballers.com/?p=2100
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143158/henry-ellenson
Well...he's big. Doesn't look like he could jump over a piece of paper, but he's big.
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His brother is going to Minnesota and is quite an athlete...I think he was the state high jump champion this past year. His dad played at MU (I believe under Majerus) before transferring to UW.
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That's as close to a Davante Gardner clone as I've ever seen in a recruit video. Don't know whether that means MU should go after him, but I pictured Davante doing every one of those moves (the 3-pointer and through-the-legs dribbling in the Pro-Am, similar to this kid doing it in AAU).
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He looks good. Sophomore to be, so keep that in mind when judging him. If he makes a decent progression over the next couple of years, then yes, he would be a good get.
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That's as close to a Davante Gardner clone as I've ever seen in a recruit video. Don't know whether that means MU should go after him, but I pictured Davante doing every one of those moves (the 3-pointer and through-the-legs dribbling in the Pro-Am, similar to this kid doing it in AAU).
Thought the same thing watching the video. He's big, skilled and 15 years old. What's not to like?
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His brother is going to Minnesota and is quite an athlete...I think he was the state high jump champion this past year. His dad played at MU (I believe under Majerus) before transferring to UW.
I was curious if he was related to the Ellenson who played at MU. Was it under Majerus or under Dukiet? Or did he leave when Ric did?
edit: Scoop Wiki says 87-88, so Dukiet.
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He already has an MU offer so I think he is more then somebody to just keep an eye on.
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C'mon, who DOESN'T have an offer from MU these days? ::)
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He already has an MU offer so I think he is more then somebody to just keep an eye on.
Yeah, that's not a bad list of offers for a kid just starting his sophomore year of high school (MU, Georgetown, Iowa State and Minnesota).
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Not too many from 2015 that's for sure.....
C'mon, who DOESN'T have an offer from MU these days? ::)
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C'mon, who DOESN'T have an offer from MU these days? ::)
Traditional bigs.
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Has UW written all over him.
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What surprises me is the lack of dunk clips. That's not in teal. If you're 6'8" and playing the Big East, you DUNK the ball.
This video doesn't show his all-around game, but he doesn't appear to have a lot of vert and his comp is usually undersized. He did stroke a three though, FWIW.
I'm sure he's probably been (or still is) on MU's radar but he doesn't make me wanna holler, "Sign him!"
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That's as close to a Davante Gardner clone as I've ever seen in a recruit video. Don't know whether that means MU should go after him, but I pictured Davante doing every one of those moves (the 3-pointer and through-the-legs dribbling in the Pro-Am, similar to this kid doing it in AAU).
"The Big White Ox."
Even has a Paul Bunyon-ish northwoods like theme.
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Has UW written all over him.
So, why did his brother go to Minnesota?
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What surprises me is the lack of dunk clips. That's not in teal. If you're 6'8" and playing the Big East, you DUNK the ball.
This video doesn't show his all-around game, but he doesn't appear to have a lot of vert and his comp is usually undersized. He did stroke a three though, FWIW.
I'm sure he's probably been (or still is) on MU's radar but he doesn't make me wanna holler, "Sign him!"
Hence the similarity many see with Gardner. Has Gardener ever dunked in a Big East game?
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His brother Wally puts it like this: "I thought about Wisconsin, but then I considered their style of play and it wasn't for me"
The family is in the Twin Cities a lot.. John played at MU, then actually went and played for Becky.
Wally is at Minnesota now as a freshman...he's ~6'5"... excellent athlete (and not just for a traditional). Ellwood (seriously) is the middle boy and is kind of a grinder/effort guy.. very athletic as well, but doesn't have the touch the other bros have.
Henry is the biggest.. big fricken kid. Game is far more than an interior traditional. Potential is ridiculous if he works hard. Does some amazing things.. I've watched him in person a lot and dude is the truth. NOT your traditional traditional and NOT a traditional 'big man'.
The kids played HS together this past year at Rice Lake WI, but have been in the Minnesota Pump N Run program... this year Ellwood played 17U and Henry has played 15U for a very strong team that's a ton of fun to watch - other notables on that team are Marshawn Wilson (2015 guard with springs under his feet) and 2016 Amir Coffey... very young and thin, but looong and his dad was a late bloomer who filled out and was a tough SOB at Minnesota back in his day. Amir could turn out stupid good as well - really like him.
Henry = will be NOTHING like Davante. Could be a big 3/4 if he plays it right. Now that I think of it.. and had to throw up a wild MU comp.. might say Chris Crawford. Potential to be better, though.
The family is very supportive, always around. Mom, dad, little sister... they spend a lot of time in the gym. If he says, "I'm heading to Marquette", be excited.
(PS - I also like Diamond Stone, but they are different players... )
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Hence the similarity many see with Gardner. Has Gardener ever dunked in a Big East game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mJ93HeZDlg
at 4:38 vs St Johns, and I thought he did in that road game vs Nova but didnt see that clip.
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Was that Tubby on the balcony at the end of the video? Rice Lake is only a short drive from the Twin Cities.
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Jay Bee, wish i had followed your advice and went to B Jefferson to see the tourney last month to see this kid.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mJ93HeZDlg
at 4:38 vs St Johns, and I thought he did in that road game vs Nova but didnt see that clip.
DG has dunked on more than one occasion.
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He will never come to MU. And we would be best off with our efforts elsewhere. Given the history with his father... There is a snowballs chance in hell that he attends MU
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Was that Tubby on the balcony at the end of the video? Rice Lake is only a short drive from the Twin Cities.
Yeah, that video is from Bloomington Jefferson HS (suburb of MPLS, less than 15 miles from Williams Arena); lots of AAU events there (activity center w~6 gyms, for certified events coaches are up on the running track above). Rice Lake, however, isn't that easy of a drive from Mpls... 100+ miles & 2 hours to get there.
Dimes - what more can you say about Ellenson MU experience? More of a coaching change issue than anything else or diff take?
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Reminds me a bit of Jack Cooley. Some blocking, solid space-eater and rebounder, decent knack for scoring on short shots and put-backs, but definitely a below-the-rim player. Still, he is the type that could really excel in college, and contribute immediately from day one simply because of his frame.
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Yeah, that video is from Bloomington Jefferson HS (suburb of MPLS, less than 15 miles from Williams Arena); lots of AAU events there (activity center w~6 gyms, for certified events coaches are up on the running track above). Rice Lake, however, isn't that easy of a drive from Mpls... 100+ miles & 2 hours to get there.
Dimes - what more can you say about Ellenson MU experience? More of a coaching change issue than anything else or diff take?
He was an end-of-the-bench role player at MU who saw little playing time. Not a big surprise he transferred. And its not exactly as if he screwed us by leaving.
Nonethless, when he transferred to Wisconsin and came back to Milwaukee for the MU game, our fans treated him pretty harsly--booing and catcalls and such.
It would be as if today's fans held a grudge against Erik Williams and booed him if he comes back to play against us. Its not as if he screwed us by leaving.
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He was an end-of-the-bench role player at MU who saw little playing time. Not a big surprise he transferred. And its not exactly as if he screwed us by leaving.
Nonethless, when he transferred to Wisconsin and came back to Milwaukee for the MU game, our fans treated him pretty harsly--booing and catcalls and such.
It would be as if today's fans held a grudge against Erik Williams and booed him if he comes back to play against us. Its not as if he screwed us by leaving.
This is interesting. I was a student back then, and I have no recollection of John Ellenson or the Badger game you reference.
Although I had to drink pretty heavily back then simply to watch the Dukiet-era Warriors...
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John was recruited by Rick Majerus and really liked Marquette a lot. However, he got caught in the coaching change that took place. Bob Dukiet was very disliked by many of the players. Ellenson left because of Dukiet, not because of the university. Roman Mueller was another one that left because of Dukiet. When I was coaching at Ball State, Roman told me stories about Dukiet that were unreal. He was not good to his players, and he drove most of them to the edge. Dukiet singlehandedly set the program back a few decades.
As for the younger Ellenson, he seems to have a nice feel for the game from the clips, but at this point in his career (and he is young) he has very heavy legs! It will be interesting to watch his progress as a player, and an athlete. He looks like he has a nose for scoring. He should be fun to watch over the next three years.
GO MU!
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While dukiet was horrible... He did not set the program back a couple of decades. 4 years later we were in the tourney n 5 years later in the sweet 16.
With that said he was horrible!
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Why am I surprised that a die-hard MUer hasn't visited Dukiet's piano haunt and punched him in the face for the horrible years at MU.
He made himself persona non grata in just three years!
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Why am I surprised that a die-hard MUer hasn't visited Dukiet's piano haunt and punched him in the face for the horrible years at MU.
Because he died in 2009.
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While dukiet was horrible... He did not set the program back a couple of decades. 4 years later we were in the tourney n 5 years later in the sweet 16.
With that said he was horrible!
When he left the program we had recruits that were our worst in decades, the program was losing national attention, and we were on a course that set us back several decades. Now, with a new coach, energy, and an aggressive recruiting staff we were able to turn the program around rather quickly. However, I stand by the fact that "he" set the program back a few decades. What O'Neil did to turn the program back in the right direction was outstanding.
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IIRC, Ellenson was an end of the bench guy on a team that was around .500. Didn't play in front of Powell, Nethen, Grosse, Mueller, Foley, Flory. Seemed like a nice kid, but I don't blame anybody who left after being around Dukiet. The rumors were so bad you just assumed they were making it up.
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DG has dunked on more than one occasion.
But not often..... and he's been a very effective offensive player anyway. So I disagree with 77ncaachamps when he implies that Henry Ellenson can't play in the Big East. I'm with Jay Bee, I'll be excited if he comes to MU.
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IIRC, Ellenson was an end of the bench guy on a team that was around .500. Didn't play in front of Powell, Nethen, Grosse, Mueller, Foley, Flory. Seemed like a nice kid, but I don't blame anybody who left after being around Dukiet. The rumors were so bad you just assumed they were making it up.
Dukiet was before my time, what are some of these rumors? Why was he so bad?
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Brutal to his players, arbitrary, bi-polar, screamer..... yeah, that about covers it.
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When he left the program we had recruits that were our worst in decades, the program was losing national attention, and we were on a course that set us back several decades. Now, with a new coach, energy, and an aggressive recruiting staff we were able to turn the program around rather quickly. However, I stand by the fact that "he" set the program back a few decades. What O'Neil did to turn the program back in the right direction was outstanding.
I believe Kevin O'Neill is the 2nd most important coach in MU history thus far after Al. Where the program was when he came in, to where he left it was remarkable. We made another mistake in the Mike Deane hire - though not as bad as Dukiet - he was close. Crean deserves a lot of credit for rescuing us from where Deane was taking the program - though Deane didn't sabotage it as bad as Dukiet - it still wasn't good when TC took over...therefore I put Crean at #3 on the list of MU head coaches. Buzz, if he stays 10-15 years, in my opinion, will leapfrog TC and KO, and get right up alongside Al McGuire. Absolutely believe MU can win another national championship with Buzz at the helm, or at minimum get us to a couple of Final Fours in the next 10 years...
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You are correct Ners. When O'Neill got to MU, it was sitting in the MCC...the current Horizon League. If they make another poor hire after Dukiet, MU is the next Loyola.
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Dukiet was before my time, what are some of these rumors? Why was he so bad?
Maybe he swung from a different tee or played a lotta pocket pool or somethin'?
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KO was a game changer without a doubt.
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Brutal to his players, arbitrary, bi-polar, screamer..... yeah, that about covers it.
The really funny thing is when he was canned, his parting comment was something like; "Next time I'm not going to listen to what other people tell me to do, I'm gonna do it my way." Really makes you wonder who he was listening to, and how he ever had the success he had had at St. Peter or wherever.
I'm guessing that he was really a sweetheart who was coaching like an pretty boy* because Raymonds insisted on it.
* Pretty boy is, of course, a moderator substituted word of decorum.
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Just curious....what was the administration seeing/thinking that made them choose Dukiet? This was an interesting time for MU BBall, as it was the same admin who was in place when Majerus left....a coach who had a TON of potential, as evidenced by his current resume.
Did have one Dukiet experience.....met him when the WARRIORS were at Williams Arena. He was most gracious, seeking out all the alum who were at the post game event. He went out of his way to meet the younger alum that night....not hawking for donations. :)
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Remember that it was a very late search....I believe it was in the summer. Options were limited.
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Dukiet was a hasty fall-back selection after our first choice backed out. Happened late in the year, few options, Raymonds gambled.
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Thanks. Makes sense.
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Dukiet was a hasty fall-back selection after our first choice backed out. Happened late in the year, few options, Raymonds gambled.
Hank probably should have made himself an interim coach with a serious search the following spring. The first choice, Mike Newell, was not a great choice either as he has had a middling career since at UALR, UA-Monticello and a junior college. Majerus real left MU holding straws with his late departure.
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So, if Dukiet was the best available, due to the time of year, does the tailspin rest, in part, on Majerus' hasty departure in August?
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Hank offered to be the interim coach. The Athletic Board rebuffed him and insisted on hiring Dukiet. Dukiet's hiring is all on the Athletic Board and Billy Packer for recommending him. Dukiet was awful in every aspect of the job.
Hank probably should have made himself an interim coach with a serious search the following spring. The first choice, Mike Newell, was not a great choice either as he has had a middling career since at UALR, UA-Monticello and a junior college. Majerus real left MU holding straws with his late departure.
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As I remember it ...after Newell backed out somebody in power(not sure who) told Hank....."just offer it to Bob" since he was obviously the 2nd choice at the time.
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Hank offered to be the interim coach. The Athletic Board rebuffed him and insisted on hiring Dukiet. Dukiet's hiring is all on the Athletic Board and Billy Packer for recommending him. Dukiet was awful in every aspect of the job.
Agreed. Meant to say "they" should have made him interim coach. In any event, a sad juncture in MU history. (:
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The six who interviewed when Rick left were: Dick Versace, Moe Iba, Ric Cobb, Mel Hankinson, Newell and Dukiet. Quentin Quade was the VP of Admin running the Athletic Board review (also the guy who had run ins with Al). Newell thought he had a better chance of winning at UALR with a team led Pete Meyers and didn't want to leave as he saw MU as a stepping stone on the decline. Never bought the cover story of his contract buy-out as he made $50k and MU was offering $200k. Purportedly Dick Bennett wanted in but he was only in Year 1 at UWGB. Versace was under investigation at Bradley and bowed out. The committee wanted young but an experienced head coach. Dukiet had a good pedigree and good references from Brown, Packer, Heathcote, Carril (whom he worked for).
With the advent of the BE and ESPN, MU was shut out of NYC. With Al retiring and WGN and their cable reach, DePaul rose. Rick lost out on some key locals like Olson and Wolf, and was feeling the pressure. Plus, he was rough around the edges with alums, admin and press.
Hank wanted to step in but was vetoed. He retired as AD within a year, and Cords stepped in and slowly changed things for the much better, including dissolving the Athletic Board.
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Good post, Blackheart, but I do remember Newell accepting the position, talking on presser about wife excited to move here, and then crying on later presser when saying he can't leave LR.
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Good post, Blackheart, but I do remember Newell accepting the position, talking on presser about wife excited to move here, and then crying on later presser when saying he can't leave LR.
Thanks. I don't know that he ever accepted in public, although MU leaked it. I think the press coverage you are referring to was on the final visit here when he got the offer, they were then going back home to "sleep on it". Code for parlaying it into a bigger offer back in Little Rock. MU, with egg on its face with Rick up and quitting and with Newell rejecting, went to the Piano Man within a day.
Buck Rayner did a lot to bring in laity into the school administration, but this was an example of it run a muck with management by committee without specialized professional leadership that Cords eventually provided. Oversight is one thing, day to day is another. Why anyone would think a Poly Sci prof., alum or Jesuit was qualified to handle this specialized hiring successfully is still beyond me.
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Thanks. I don't know that he ever accepted in public, although MU leaked it. I think the press coverage you are referring to was on the final visit here when he got the offer, they were then going back home to "sleep on it". Code for parlaying it into a bigger offer back in Little Rock. MU, with egg on its face with Rick up and quitting and with Newell rejecting, went to the Piano Man within a day.
Buck Rayner did a lot to bring in laity into the school administration, but this was an example of it run a muck with management by committee without specialized professional leadership that Cords eventually provided. Oversight is one thing, day to day is another. Why anyone would think a Poly Sci prof., alum or Jesuit was qualified to handle this specialized hiring successfully is still beyond me.
A lengthy time reading the majority of MUScoop posts has taught me that any thought will eventually find believers.
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Per Evan Daniels, Marquette visting Ellenson today
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Looks like a Badger to me. I'd stick to recruiting Diamond.
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Looks like a Badger to me. I'd stick to recruiting Diamond.
"Looks" like a Badger?
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Traditional
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Looks like a Badger to me. I'd stick to recruiting Diamond.
Based on the number of times you have seen him play???
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Well...he's big. Doesn't look like he could jump over a piece of paper, but he's big.
Let's be fair. Are we talking about standard printer paper or resume paper?
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Sultan
Based on who the Badgers have successfully recruiting in WI vs who we have successfully recruited of late. Plus the family hisory.
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Based on who the Badgers have successfully recruiting in WI vs who we have successfully recruited of late.
Again...what does that mean?
Plus the family hisory.
His father apparently holds no grudges toward Marquette whatsoever. So you can cross that off your list.
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His father apparently holds no grudges toward Marquette whatsoever. So you can cross that off your list.
I didn't know the background here so I looked it up in case anyone else is interested.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19871110&id=1UMxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nxIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6604,1882869 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19871110&id=1UMxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nxIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6604,1882869)
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Take the first one to sign. I don't care if Stone is number 1 right now. Ellenson may end up being the better player or at least pretty close. It would be a mistake waiting for Stone I think. We've been down that road before. Think York/Dunn.
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Sultan
Thanks for update on Dad not holding a grudge, glad to hear. Do you think we have legit shot at him or do Badgers have insight track? He is mentioned often on UW recruiting sites.
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Take the first one to sign. I don't care if Stone is number 1 right now. Ellenson may end up being the better player or at least pretty close. It would be a mistake waiting for Stone I think. We've been down that road before. Think York/Dunn.
You can take both. Their games are compatible to being on the floor at the same time.
Do you think we have legit shot at him or do Badgers have insight track? He is mentioned often on UW recruiting sites.
I have no clue.
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You can take both. Their games are compatible to being on the floor at the same time.
I'm pretty sure if Buzz landed Henry Ellenson, he'd still manage to find a spot for Diamond Stone on the roster.
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Stone and Ellenson are completely different.
See my comments on page 1 of this thread... and also here (http://latenighthoops.com/recruiting-notes-usa-basketball-mini-camp-for-2015-2016-classes-oct12/)
You may hear Ellenson called a center by some, but that’s selling him short. Physically he looks the part and he can certainly battle on the blocks, but his skill and athletic ability sets him far apart from other kids his size........
PS - Rice Lake will be playing in MN this Saturday. They'll go against Prior Lake (MN) who has a 7-footer that is headed to Utah State. It's a good, all day event, btw... MN/WI Border Battle.. Rice Lake is the 6th game of the day.. the finale is Madison Memorial vs. Tyus Jones & Apple Valley.
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My question would be that right now it is almost impossible to watch the Badgers, so who in there right mind would want to play for them. I sure hope he puts the ball in Koenigs hand
right away, and says son we are going to do some runiing, I am even tired of less than 50 points a game. I forgot he scored 51 against MU. Of course, another big white kid fits the mold.
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If Dukiet was the HC, I'd think about transferring too.
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If Dukiet was the HC, I'd think about transferring too.
There wouldn't be much to think about, just go. Bob Knight minus the coaching skills.
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I know he's very young, but there is nothing going on with the left hand. Hopefully he has time to develop.
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Ellenson can play. If Stone is No. 1 in his class, he should be dominating now.
I hope Stone gets Ellenson's enthusiasm for the game.