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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BM1090 on April 22, 2018, 09:01:45 PM
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#DoneDeal
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/988236078741098496
Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
Utah State transfer Koby McEwen is headed to Marquette, source told ESPN
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this is that kind of shiz that I like to see!
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so now we have a PG for when JC is gone after a year...nice.
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Wojo continues to crush the recruiting trail.
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YES!!!!!
Fantastic news!
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Yeeeeessss!
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/613/446/081.gif)
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Nice size for a guard. Well this is the size we have been looking for out of the guard spot. He clearly can score.... anyone know what kind of defensive player he is?
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Woah, that came out of nowhere.
Talk about a news dump. 9:00 on a Sunday.
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I was so focused on the grad transfer market, i didn't really pay much attention to the standard transfer market.
so, for those in the know... what can you tell me about this kids game?
Thanks
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Like golden just said. Scouting report needed!
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Top 50. I like the sound of that....
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-state-sports/2018/03/31/utah-state-star-point-guard-koby-mcewen-will-transfer-in-the-wake-of-new-coaching-hire/
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Would have to think he believes he's penciled in as starter for 2019 and 2020 seasons. Probably will scare off some 2019 top tier guys looking to start right away at PG. Like what I see and prefer the bird in hand approach though. Would have liked Carton, but would have to beat out everyone for him.
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Would have to think he believes he's penciled in as starter for 2019 and 2020 seasons. Probably will scare off some 2019 top tier guys looking to start right away at PG. Like what I see and prefer the bird in hand approach though. Would have liked Carton, but would have to beat out everyone for him.
Might be able to sell Carton on a 3rd guard role behind Howard and Koby in year one since he'd likely be penciled in as a starter in years 2-4
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I’ll take a proven mid major player over a highly ranked high school kid all day long.
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This signing should not be understated, McEwen can play. If Howard stays four years, could argue the ‘19-‘20 team will be real interesting.
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I’m excited about this but I’m a bit skeptical as it seems he’s really bad on defense, at least that’s what I remember reading. Also a lot of turnovers. Is that right?
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(https://media1.giphy.com/media/Jx9n9pSg9JUJi/200.gif)
Gonna be like a hockey game.
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By all accounts Wojo got both guys he was after. Awesome news!
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Oh Heldt yeah!
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I’ll take a proven mid major player over a highly ranked high school kid all day long.
I've been thinking the same. Not everyone can be Duke or UK, who fills their roster with 5 star, one-and-dones. Given the growing number of transfers each year, filling gaps in the roster with Grad and Trad Transfers seems like an innovative, low-risk approach to recruiting.
Guys like Morrow, Chartouny and McEwen are known commodities, mature, and expected to contribute from day one.
With freshmen you never know how long it will take to develop, if they will develop, if they will bolt after investing multiple years of coaching and prior to reaping the rewards, etc.
I like this approach, and feel it is a strategy that might just be here to stay!
Welcome aboard Joseph and Koby!!!
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Would have to think he believes he's penciled in as starter for 2019 and 2020 seasons. Probably will scare off some 2019 top tier guys looking to start right away at PG. Like what I see and prefer the bird in hand approach though. Would have liked Carton, but would have to beat out everyone for him.
Here's kinda how I see it. Wojo will know where Koby fits by next year at this time. And let's remember that Greg will be working hard to stay ahead of him in Kasten. In '19, both will be Juniors capable of delivering quality minutes. Let the better man win.
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Would have to think he believes he's penciled in as starter for 2019 and 2020 seasons. Probably will scare off some 2019 top tier guys looking to start right away at PG. Like what I see and prefer the bird in hand approach though. Would have liked Carton, but would have to beat out everyone for him.
They'll still have a scholarship available for Carton though, shouldn't write him off by any means yet.
Very happy with this news. Seems like he should actually be an upgrade as replacement for Chartouny, and that's taking nothing away from Chartouny pick up. Great job by Wojo and staff!
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What a big weekend for the program. Congratulations to the staff for their hard work and acquisitions of two strong transfers that will (combined) really help our team for the next several seasons.
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Are we full for 2019 now?
I'm a big fan of building through 4 year players, so I don't know how to feel about this + chartouny
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Here's another way to think about it. We traded Froling for McEwen.
Yes please.
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Wojo said he wanted to get old and stay old.
Might not always be possible but looks like we are on the right track.
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Wojo: De-motivating recruits for 5 years.
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Excellent news! Let's keep this Canadian pipeline open. Lots of good talent in the frozen north.
This is doubly great because we can wrap up transfer recruitment season pretty early. All energy should now be poured into our 2 man class of 2019. Get those two nailed down by the early signing period and we can get a jump start on a loaded 2020 class.
Dominoes are falling gentlemen (and mom, chick, and jutwu). One leads to the next. The fruits of the golden power point will be ready for harvest soon.
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I've been thinking the same. Not everyone can be Duke or UK, who fills their roster with 5 star, one-and-dones. Given the growing number of transfers each year, filling gaps in the roster with Grad and Trad Transfers seems like an innovative, low-risk approach to recruiting.
Guys like Morrow, Chartouny and McEwen are known commodities, mature, and expected to contribute from day one.
With freshmen you never know how long it will take to develop, if they will develop, if they will bolt after investing multiple years of coaching and prior to reaping the rewards, etc.
I like this approach, and feel it is a strategy that might just be here to stay!
Welcome aboard Joseph and Koby!!!
Agree. Solid recruiting at HS level will be lifeblood to keep program winning year in and year out.
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Are we full for 2019 now?
I'm a big fan of building through 4 year players, so I don't know how to feel about this + chartouny
We're full for '18-'19. We have TWO open scholarships for rising HS Seniors replacing Matty and Chartouny.
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Outstanding!
Welcome to Marquette, Koby!
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Guesses on projected starting lineup for 2018 vs. 2019?
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Good look...
https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/988239104037945344
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Good look...
https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/988239104037945344
Guard with a lot of size and muscle....looks like Wojo and the staff are learning
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For those not on twitter (sorry about the size):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbbuOZHU8AA8lgq.jpg)
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Damn!
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Guard with a lot of size and muscle....looks like Wojo and the staff are learning
Haven’t seen the kid play, but like the look..we need a few more guys who are physically built for Big East Ball.
A good spring for Wojo and the program. Well done.
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Think guys we've sent to NBA made an impression in his recruitment? All 5 pictured are currently in the league. Highly doubt that's an accident or coincidence on his part.
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Think guys we've sent to NBA made an impression in his recruitment? All 5 pictured are currently in the league. Highly doubt that's an accident or coincidence on his part.
I’m guessing it’s a Wojo PowerPoint presentation special.
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Phenomenal weekend for MU!!!! :)
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He did forget Buycks though. :D
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I’m guessing it’s a Wojo PowerPoint presentation special.
Sure, definitely should be.
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Are we full for 2019 now?
I'm a big fan of building through 4 year players, so I don't know how to feel about this + chartouny
I don't understand how you could feel anything other than really good about these commitments. PG was the only real hole on the roster the next two years, at least as it stands today, and we just filled it with two quality, proven players.
We should still have a nice potential nucleus of 4 year players as well.
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Seems like a nice fit. Transfers in are good.
Utah State cycling through the coaches after the retirement of The Legend, eh?
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Are we full for 2019 now?
I'm a big fan of building through 4 year players, so I don't know how to feel about this + chartouny
About 40 percent of D-I players transfer at least once these days. So if you're going to build exclusively with high school kids, expect to be dealing with a consistently young and inexperienced roster. Because two out if every five high school kids you bring in won't be four-year players.
That's OK if you're Duke and Kentucky landing 3-5 top 40 kids every, but it doesn't seem a recipe for success at Marquette.
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I'm very psyched for next season and already trying to figure out if I can make it to Brooklyn and a few other games.
But I think I'm already even more psyched for 2019-2020. Looking so far ahead isn't usually like me, but that could be a Final Four team if every player plays close to his potential.
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I don't think this affects DJ Carton at all. McEwen has been Utah State's PG but he seems to be more Markus Howard than Joseph Chartouny (scorer over distributor). I'd imagine Wojo tells him his role year 1 would be to split PG minutes with McEwen, then to take over PG duties starting year 2 with McEwen as his off-guard. If we'd gotten Marcus Carr THEN I would worry we'd lose out on Carton, seeing as we'd already have a true PG with 3 years left.
Contrary to belief that we're out on 2019 PGs, the fact that we were able to wrap up transfer recruiting by April 22nd would lead me to believe Wojo and staff are about to give Carton/Wilson/etc. the Joey Hauser full-court press in recruiting like we saw last summer. Only 2 spots to fill so he can hone in on his 3/4 top guys and full-staff as many games as possible: where Wojo is really dangerous on the recruiting trail.
As for McEwen, could not be more excited with this news. This guy can flat out play and I can't wait to see him with the rest of our guys. Awesome awesome weekend for MUBB.
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Are we full for 2019 now?
I'm a big fan of building through 4 year players, so I don't know how to feel about this + chartouny
This of this as continuing to build through 4-year players. I know...these aren't 4-year guys for us, but here's my rationale:
First, both of these guys will be 5 year collegiate players when they are done. At this point in the recruiting cycle, we were not going to add an impact PG to the 2018-19 roster from the collegiate ranks. Those players simply aren't there. Chartouny gives us the bridge to 2019 and will have no negative impact recruiting guys like Carton, Watts, McKinney, or Mannion.
Second, we then look at the McEwen addition. With him added to Markus and Elliott, that gives us 3 guards in 2019-20. Wojo seems to favor a 4-guard rotation when personnel allows. Howard, Rowsey, Duane, and Cheatham in 2016-17, then Howard, Rowsey, Elliott, and Anim last year. When a 2019 freshman comes in, they will likely be immediately penciled into the rotation with Markus, Elliott, and McEwen.
Third, Wojo has shown a tendency to play his freshmen. Henry and Sam led their teams in minutes as freshmen. Duane, Markus, and Elliott all received significant minutes as freshmen. Whomever is that fourth guard is going to play early.
Fourth, after their freshman year, Howard will be gone, opening up more minutes and the chance for someone new to be "the man". The next year, Elliott and McEwen leave, which means the guy that had that sophomore year opportunity now will likely run the show for two years.
If you like four-year players, Chartouny and McEwen are actually paving the way for four-year players to come on board. Here's hoping it works.
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I like the lower risk approach of recruiting a guy who has two years of college under his belt rather than a high school kid who may not transition well. Also like the built in redshirt year for the transfer to develop as a player.
Also like guards taller than 6'3".
Well done Wojo and staff!
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Fantastic news.
Those that slam the program after losses sure are quiet these days. Great job Coach Wojo.
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According to ESPN, he was a 4-star recruit out of high school listed at 6-3/175.
This season, he was listed at 6-4/200. So he's definitely matured physically and gained some strength. Looks like he has the frame to add even more muscle over the course of the next year plus.
For comparison, Greg Elliott was listed at 6-3/170 this season.
Welcome to Marquette, Koby!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/190921/koby-mcewen (http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/190921/koby-mcewen)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066755/koby-mcewen (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066755/koby-mcewen)
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Fantastic job by Wojo and staff.... we've been down the road of being excited by rosters on paper before - but very hopeful this leads to some really exciting seasons.
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1SE
I agree. I hope it pans out, but kudos to Wojo for getting the guys he wanted to get.
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I’m excited about this but I’m a bit skeptical as it seems he’s really bad on defense, at least that’s what I remember reading. Also a lot of turnovers. Is that right?
What I remember reading was that he was strong on defense his freshman year, but slipped quite a bit his sophomore year. I have a feeling that that will be addressed once he's officially on board and the coaching staff can comment.
I also am thinking that with Utah State being in an area that Stan knows well that MU probably had a very good read on this guy.
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Fantastic job by Wojo and staff.... we've been down the road of being excited by rosters on paper before - but very hopeful this leads to some really exciting seasons.
1SE
I agree. I hope it pans out, but kudos to Wojo for getting the guys he wanted to get.
Come on , guys, you can er, goose up your enthusiasm a little more than that.
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Two guards with size and experience. Nicely done.
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Sure, definitely should be.
No, I’m quite sure it is. Every recruit that commits shortly after his visit has a similar image up very shortly after. Chartouney had a similar image up himself. My guess is that those pictures are in MU’s pitch and that’s where they’re getting them.
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Excellent and unexpected news! Lots of complaining this year that it seems like Wojo teams have been perpetually young and that we wish he pulled more Buzz-like moves to get more immediate impact players. Well, Wojo just did that twice in one weekend. Super exciting.
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Has anyone heard anything further about the potential changes to the transfer rules that would allow kids to play immediately if they have a specified GPA (reportedly considering between 3.0 and 3.5)? Last I heard, it might be up for a vote in June. Is there any realistic chance that McEwen could be on the floor next year?
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Big Week!
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Congratulations Coach for your outstanding recruiting!
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Legendary, aina?
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I am as stoked as I can be about this news...Chartouny and McEwen are just what the doctor ordered. NOW, we should see MU's ascent up the college basketball ranks, and regain their rightful place. I don't think anyone can say expectations are too high for next year...They should be SKY high.
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Great job Wojo, I can’t wait to watch our warriors in the new arena.
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Fabulous news! Looks like Wojo and Stan are getting the guys they want!
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I am as stoked as I can be about this news...Chartouny and McEwen are just what the doctor ordered. NOW, we should see MU's ascent up the college basketball ranks, and regain their rightful place. I don't think anyone can say expectations are too high for next year...They should be SKY high.
Tourney for sure, top 3 BEast and challenge for title through the last week or two, S16 run base case (obviously a lot can happen with injuries, matchups). Good spot to be in!
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The little things:
Drive with both hands......
Finish with both hands....
EuroStep....Shooting....Big East Guard body at 6'4" (think Kamar Baldwin type).....
Both McKewen and Chartouny were their conference freshman of the year in their respective conferences.....
McKewen took a step back last year because he was the focus of continuous double teams.....only 16 5 5.....
This kid has a chance to be "real" "real" good......Playing on a "balanced" team with go to team-mates.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv6XWudHrEk
Good luck.....Koby......
PS....This will have no influence on our 19 recruiting.....If anything.....Instead of just recruiting a PG from a list of 3.....We can now recruit a PG, SG, or Combo guard from a list of 10....
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Another 2 star unatheltic (sic) Scottish kid. Great - JohnnyB (probably)
I'm very psyched for next season and already trying to figure out if I can make it to Brooklyn and a few other games.
But I think I'm already even more psyched for 2019-2020. Looking so far ahead isn't usually like me, but that could be a Final Four team if every player plays close to his potential.
Did Ben Steele get ahold of your Scoop log-in or did you hack his Twitter acct?
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/988252475336556551 (https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/988252475336556551)
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I have watched a ton of his college videos. Love this kids offense. Dont want over hype because its such a diificult job but i think he could be an NBA PG. Great range, trenendous handle, good vision, goes left and right and finishes with strength with each hand. Big strong athletic kid, if he doesnt defend well its of his choosing, all the tools. Reminds me of Kris Dunn, but better shooter at this point.
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Koby reminds me of a 6'4" Duane Wilson.
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Did Ben Steele get ahold of your Scoop log-in or did you hack his Twitter acct?
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/988252475336556551 (https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/988252475336556551)
We are both sportswriters (at least I used to be). As such animals, we love sports and we want to appreciate things we observe, but we retain a little bit of skepticism.
At this point, there is every reason to believe 2019-20 will be the best year of MU hoops since the E8 team - or maybe even the D-Wade team.
But again, super excited about next season, too. I am planning to go to Brooklyn and hope to get to the new arena if my travels and schedule allow.
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I am as stoked as I can be about this news...Chartouny and McEwen are just what the doctor ordered. NOW, we should see MU's ascent up the college basketball ranks, and regain their rightful place. I don't think anyone can say expectations are too high for next year...They should be SKY high.
I feel really good for you after seeing this post, guru. I wish you'd let yourself enjoy the little (and big) triumphs a little more often.
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Koby reminds me of a 6'4" Duane Wilson.
Omg in what possible manner?
Im sorry but absolutely no way
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Koby reminds me of a 6'4" Duane Wilson.
I thought the same thing watching the video, a Duane that is healthy which I am not sure Duane was in his career, hope Koby stays healthy. I really like kids who
seat a year in a program, they improve. The Sacar improvement was impressive. I was never sure he would get off the bench.
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That was a great weekend! I think we are at Buzz level for next few seasons. Starting to feel optimistic that Wojo is getting it rolling. Best mix of players since he's been here.
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Omg in what possible manner?
Im sorry but absolutely no way
Look how he takes his outside shot, puts both feet together before shooting much like Duane. The rest of his game is better for sure. Cocky kid it looks like, much
like Duane as well, which I love in a player.
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Reminds me of a black Jerry West, hey?
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I thought the same thing watching the video, a Duane that is healthy which I am not sure Duane was in his career, hope Koby stays healthy. I really like kids who
seat a year in a program, they improve. The Sacar improvement was impressive. I was never sure he would get off the bench.
In all fairness sacar was playing in large part due to default and did nothing particularly well on a 7th place team. While he did improve he is no where near the player MU needs to compete at a significantly higher lever. Hopefully next year or by his senior year he can approach that level.
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Look how he takes his outside shot, puts both feet together before shooting much like Duane. The rest of his game is better for sure. Cocky kid it looks like, much
like Duane as well, which I love in a player.
Ok i will give u “shoots with feet together”. I see nothing else similar, recall duane was the point guard that had zero point guard skills sans the occasional nice dish. Very different players. Someone else had used Butlers baldwin, which i can see but i think hes bigger n stronger n maybe not as quick as a baldwin. Body and motions reminded me of Dunn
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MU82 and I both mentioned it in this thread, and it's getting ahead of ourselves, but the 19-20 team has potential to be scary Top 10 preseason good. With that being in the back of the program's mind, I'd like to see MU try to secure a tough home and home with someone this year, knowing the return game is set for the following season.
If everyone sticks around and is healthy, that 19-20 roster is an absolute monster.
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In all fairness sacar was playing in large part due to default and did nothing particularly well on a 7th place team. While he did improve he is no where near the player MU needs to compete at a significantly higher lever. Hopefully next year or by his senior year he can approach that level.
He did something particularly well in (at the time) our biggest victory of last season.
And he defended pretty well most of the season - which, given how many people beyotch about our lousy defense, shouldn't be dismissed.
But I think I do agree with what I think you're trying to say in your own unique ("Luke is the worst player in the history of mankind") way:
Sacar should be a role player who sees relatively little time on the court. One sign that we are a much better team is if Sacar plays 15 or so mpg - not because he has taken a step backward but because we have better options. I feel the same about Heldt; we'll be a better team next season if he's playing 10-15 mpg because others prove their superiority.
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MU82 and I both mentioned it in this thread, and it's getting ahead of ourselves, but the 19-20 team has potential to be scary Top 10 preseason good. With that being in the back of the program's mind, I'd like to see MU try to secure a tough home and home with someone this year, knowing the return game is set for the following season.
If everyone sticks around and is healthy, that 19-20 roster is an absolute monster.
Agree and like this roster and the kids involved. Should be really good even when, unfortunately, the 10-13 kids see no light at the end of the tunnel. However, and i think wojo stresses this from everything i have heard him say is he wants to build a program where the juniors n seniors play alot and the freshman n sophomore play a little. This takes trmendous buy in from the players and targeting kids that can accept this. Winning helps everything. If he can do this and get old and stay old its MUs best approach to being consitantly good.
Unless there is a big change there is no real way our freshman and sophs to compete with the freshman and sophs of the blue bloods. However, our juniors and seniors, provided they have the talent, can compete with the freshman and sophs of the blue bloods. See 1994, 1996, 3 amigos and some of buzzs last teams
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He did something particularly well in (at the time) our biggest victory of last season.
And he defended pretty well most of the season - which, given how many people beyotch about our lousy defense, shouldn't be dismissed.
But I think I do agree with what I think you're trying to say in your own unique ("Luke is the worst player in the history of mankind") way:
Sacar should be a role player who sees relatively little time on the court. One sign that we are a much better team is if Sacar plays 15 or so mpg - not because he has taken a step backward but because we have better options. I feel the same about Heldt; we'll be a better team next season if he's playing 10-15 mpg because others prove their superiority.
Tallest midget award 👏
Never said luke was terrible. Said two things ... slowing our offense to post him hurt us offensively and that we were a better team with Heldt on the court. I think when people step back and remove their emotion they will realize i was right. Glad our coaching staff recognized it anyway.
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Agree and like this roster and the kids involved. Should be really good even when, unfortunately, the 10-13 kids see no light at the end of the tunnel. However, and i think wojo stresses this from everything i have heard him say is he wants to build a program where the juniors n seniors play alot and the freshman n sophomore play a little. This takes trmendous buy in from the players and targeting kids that can accept this. Winning helps everything. If he can do this and get old and stay old its MUs best approach to being consitantly good.
Unless there is a big change there is no real way our freshman and sophs to compete with the freshman and sophs of the blue bloods. However, our juniors and seniors, provided they have the talent, can compete with the freshman and sophs of the blue bloods. See 1994, 1996, 3 amigos and some of buzzs last teams
Agree 100%! Maturity means a lot in the BE.
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Tallest midget award 👏
Never said luke was terrible. Said two things ... slowing our offense to post him hurt us offensively and that we were a better team with Heldt on the court. I think when people step back and remove their emotion they will realize i was right. Glad our coaching staff recognized it anyway.
No emotion involved at all.
Wojo tried something and it mostly worked. He then turned back more to Luke for the crucial games at the end of the season - Creighton to clinch our tournament bid, the BET game and the NCAA game. Fischer averaged 23 mins in those to 16 for Heldt. In the NCAA game, Heldt was like a deer in headlights and Wojo thankfully put Fischer in the game quickly, which helped us get a lead. Unfortunately, we ran into a buzzsaw in the second half.
I've said all along that I think Wojo has had a very good feel for minute distribution of our 5. When Luke was struggling, he took a stab at going with Matt and it worked, and Wojo rode the hot hand, as all smart coaches do. I was thrilled about that. When the Matt experiment wasn't as fruitful, he went back more to Luke.
Bottom line: In 2016-17, we were 3-3 with Heldt as starter and 16-10 with Luke as starter. Luke's starts included very good performances in most of our biggest wins of the season, including Creighton twice, Seton Hall and Nova.
So sure, if you want to say we were better with Heldt, that's cool. Think what you want.
BTW, you did just say in another thread "sacar is not any good."
So if Sacar sticks around and plays well next season, in whatever role he has, please don't try to claim, "Never said Sacar was terrible." You just did. And you said much the same about Luke many, many, many times.
I think when you step back and remove your emotion, you will see that's right!
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Never said luke was terrible.
Errrrrr, really?
Google some of his videos, he makes Fisher look like a 5th grade school girl!!
This was in reference to Harry Froling BTW
He may be the worst defensive player i have ever seen at Marquette
Luke fischer the worst player in the big east
We are better off with heldt ir no big
Fischer still sucks
Get luke the unnatural carnal knowledge out!!! Cant play d and cant reebound!!!
And suuuucks on O
Fisher n jjj dont have the stones to play in an NCAA tourney during their careers, they are getting what they deserve
To use a hockey reference fishcer most resmbles an octupus at the red wings games
Luke n jjj mental marshmallows already
Luke fisher n jjj are mental marshmallows. Need seniorleadership to start game n they are the worst of the worst. Creighton game only shows how mentally weak fisher is when factor into the other 3 surrounding games.
And this is about 5 pages worth of posts. But you never said he was terrible!
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Errrrrr, really?
This was in reference to Harry Froling BTW
And this is about 5 pages worth of posts. But you never said he was terrible!
Good stuff. Sand-Knit saying he never said Luke was terrible is hilarious.
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In defense of Sand-Knit, while that was annoying at the time he was able to let it go as soon as Luke graduated and was actually one of the more positive posters this season.
Unlike some other posters...
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Errrrrr, really?
This was in reference to Harry Froling BTW
And this is about 5 pages worth of posts. But you never said he was terrible!
Well, except for THOSE times
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Errrrrr, really?
This was in reference to Harry Froling BTW
And this is about 5 pages worth of posts. But you never said he was terrible!
Hilarious stuff, TS.
No, he never said Luke was terrible. He only said, Luke fischer the worst player in the big east
I never get why people lie about what they said when finding proof of what they said is so easy nowadays.
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Y can't wee ever get a transfer from a reely good program like Duke, Kentucky, or UNC, hey?
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Y can't wee ever get a transfer from a reely good program like Duke, Kentucky, or UNC, hey?
Honest question, would you prefer a transfer from a top program because they had proven unable to earn minutes in a high major league or a star from a smaller program trying to prove themselves at a higher level?
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Honest question, would you prefer a transfer from a top program because they had proven unable to earn minutes in a high major league or a star from a smaller program trying to prove themselves at a higher level?
Semi Ojeleye comes to mind immediately.....
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Semi and Charles Matthews are the only two recent examples I can think of.
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Semi and Charles Matthews are the only two recent examples I can think of.
Gbinije went from garbage time at Duke to being the star at Syracuse
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In all fairness sacar was playing in large part due to default and did nothing particularly well on a 7th place team. While he did improve he is no where near the player MU needs to compete at a significantly higher lever. Hopefully next year or by his senior year he can approach that level.
Sacar is not really a small forward, plays like a guard who can not shoot from the outside. Can not rebound at all. Like 3 boards a game. But he did a good job defending and will be much better next year when other guys defend. They had nobody else so he stepped up and was OK. Playing time for him will be challenging
next year. I can see Chartounney and Sacar on defense at times or Elliott when they need a stop, add Cain, Morrow and Theo, makes for a pretty good defensive team,
maybe even Eke if his back is OK. Or when they need to zone. Much more athletic.
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Sacar is not really a small forward, plays like a guard who can not shoot from the outside. Can not rebound at all. Like 3 boards a game. But he did a good job defending and will be much better next year when other guys defend. They had nobody else so he stepped up and was OK. Playing time for him will be challenging
next year. I can see Chartounney and Sacar on defense at times or Elliott when they need a stop, add Cain, Morrow and Theo, makes for a pretty good defensive team,
maybe even Eke if his back is OK. Or when they need to zone. Much more athletic.
Sacar is a fine rebounder. His defensive rebound percentage was poor because he was usually guarding on the perimeter. His offensive rebounding percentage was only behind the three posts and Cain.
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Honest question, would you prefer a transfer from a top program because they had proven unable to earn minutes in a high major league or a star from a smaller program trying to prove themselves at a higher level?
I'd take either but lean towards the latter
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Hilarious stuff, TS.
No, he never said Luke was terrible. He only said, Luke fischer the worst player in the big east
I never get why people lie about what they said when finding proof of what they said is so easy nowadays.
Because, as evidenced by many in the political sphere, they can get away with it. All of the past statements/lies/whatever can be re-displayed, and it seems to have no effect.
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No emotion involved at all.
Wojo tried something and it mostly worked. He then turned back more to Luke for the crucial games at the end of the season - Creighton to clinch our tournament bid, the BET game and the NCAA game. Fischer averaged 23 mins in those to 16 for Heldt. In the NCAA game, Heldt was like a deer in headlights and Wojo thankfully put Fischer in the game quickly, which helped us get a lead. Unfortunately, we ran into a buzzsaw in the second half.
I've said all along that I think Wojo has had a very good feel for minute distribution of our 5. When Luke was struggling, he took a stab at going with Matt and it worked, and Wojo rode the hot hand, as all smart coaches do. I was thrilled about that. When the Matt experiment wasn't as fruitful, he went back more to Luke.
Bottom line: In 2016-17, we were 3-3 with Heldt as starter and 16-10 with Luke as starter. Luke's starts included very good performances in most of our biggest wins of the season, including Creighton twice, Seton Hall and Nova.
So sure, if you want to say we were better with Heldt, that's cool. Think what you want.
BTW, you did just say in another thread "sacar is not any good."
So if Sacar sticks around and plays well next season, in whatever role he has, please don't try to claim, "Never said Sacar was terrible." You just did. And you said much the same about Luke many, many, many times.
I think when you step back and remove your emotion, you will see that's right!
Not good and terrible are not the same.
Last year Sacar sans 1 game was not good. Next two years barring major improvements in defensive rebounding and shooting he will play less. If he improves in those two areas specifically and all areas in general he will have moved the needle from not good towards good and will contest for more playing time. Pretty simple but a long way to go.
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Hilarious stuff, TS.
No, he never said Luke was terrible. He only said, Luke fischer the worst player in the big east
I never get why people lie about what they said when finding proof of what they said is so easy nowadays.
Terrible never used once
Worst defensive player in BE, in retrospect may have been accurate
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Sacar is a fine rebounder. His defensive rebound percentage was poor because he was usually guarding on the perimeter. His offensive rebounding percentage was only behind the three posts and Cain.
He is a guard playing the 3, weak rebounder. To small. Rather have Cain, Morrow and a center in there then Sacar. Look around the Big East
last year, he was one of the worst threes out of the 10 schools. Martin, Thomas, Strus. Diallo, Ahmed, Desi, Bridges, Bluiett, all better than
Sacar in all facets of there game. Maybe better than Gerogetowns 3, not sure who that was.
Needs to play guard next year.
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He is a guard playing the 3, weak rebounder. To small. Rather have Cain, Morrow and a center in there then Sacar. Look around the Big East
last year, he was one of the worst threes out of the 10 schools. Martin, Thomas, Strus. Diallo, Ahmed, Desi, Bridges, Bluiett, all better than
Sacar in all facets of there game. Maybe better than Gerogetowns 3, not sure who that was.
Needs to play guard next year.
You worry too much about positions and not enough about role. A 2 and 3 are basically interchangeable. His role was to defend primarily perimeter players.
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In defense of Sand-Knit, while that was annoying at the time he was able to let it go as soon as Luke graduated and was actually one of the more positive posters this season.
Unlike some other posters...
I think if u go back i have been far more patient and appreciative of Wojo and what he is trying to build than most. As a poster said the other day, its not so much the Xs n Os as it is the Jimmys n Joes. Wojos defense stems mostly from a player standpoint and everything he is doing now that he has had some success n recruiting traction will eliminate the athleticism issues. The last two years i have said i thought Wojo actually overacheived given the talent n youth issues. Cobbling together that roster two years ago and getting into the NCaas i thought was really an achievement. Losing duane and haanif this year and still winning 21 games , while at times frustrating, i still thought was a very solid coaching job. Good not great. I only had one game where i was realky pissed and ranted about toughness n effort and i think that might have been tge game wojo blew his lid a little also, idk. Now we can debate if he should have had such in flux rosters in years 3 and 4. But i thought the coaching jobs given what he had were pretty solid.
His recruiting has been downright spectacular since and im pretty excited.
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He is a guard playing the 3, weak rebounder. To small. Rather have Cain, Morrow and a center in there then Sacar. Look around the Big East
last year, he was one of the worst threes out of the 10 schools. Martin, Thomas, Strus. Diallo, Ahmed, Desi, Bridges, Bluiett, all better than
Sacar in all facets of there game. Maybe better than Gerogetowns 3, not sure who that was.
Needs to play guard next year.
Agree but he cant shoot. Needs to get alot better to win his matchup
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Terrible never used once
Worst defensive player in BE, in retrospect may have been accurate
Bolded for your viewing pleasure. March 17, 2017
Not matts night still 100x the warrior of our other center
Oh nice screen fischer as i type
Hirrible horrible player
Waste
Fisher is simply terrible n hurts us
Playing an away game when things arent going well doesnt help
But to be fair, you also called him a lot of worse things than "Hirrible"
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He is a guard playing the 3, weak rebounder. To small. Rather have Cain, Morrow and a center in there then Sacar. Look around the Big East
last year, he was one of the worst threes out of the 10 schools. Martin, Thomas, Strus. Diallo, Ahmed, Desi, Bridges, Bluiett, all better than
Sacar in all facets of there game. Maybe better than Gerogetowns 3, not sure who that was.
Needs to play guard next year.
Where he stacks up against other 3's in the BE is completely irrelevant.
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Bolded for your viewing pleasure. March 17, 2017
But to be fair, you also called him a lot of worse things than "Hirrible"
Fantastic
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Bolded for your viewing pleasure. March 17, 2017
But to be fair, you also called him a lot of worse things than "Hirrible"
This only proves that he called Fischer "simply terrible"
So Sandy never really called him just plain ol' "terrible" without it being simple. Get the difference?
Again, why lie? Just own it, man.
All of us eff up occasionally but far too few of us are willing to say, "Yeah, my bad."
I mean, the guy called Fischer the very worst player in the entire Big East, but "terrible never used once." First, that's worse defense than Fischer ever played. Second, it was a lie.
And yeah, Sandy has been supportive of Wojo in recent weeks. He did completely lose his shyte after the St. John's loss, starting a thread with an almost unreadable, single-paragraph diatribe. It was filled with misspelled words and cliches, and he concluded: Its pathetic and I will no longer defend Wojo. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55600.msg989407#msg989407
I'm sure Wojo is heartbroken.
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Where he stacks up against other 3's in the BE is completely irrelevant.
Lol
Simply horrible statement it’s everything
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This only proves that he called Fischer "simply terrible"
So Sandy never really called him just plain ol' "terrible" without it being simple. Get the difference?
Again, why lie? Just own it, man.
All of us eff up occasionally but far too few of us are willing to say, "Yeah, my bad."
I mean, the guy called Fischer the very worst player in the entire Big East, but "terrible never used once." First, that's worse defense than Fischer ever played. Second, it was a lie.
And yeah, Sandy has been supportive of Wojo in recent weeks. He did completely lose his shyte after the St. John's loss, starting a thread with an almost unreadable, single-paragraph diatribe. It was filled with misspelled words and cliches, and he concluded: Its pathetic and I will no longer defend Wojo. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55600.msg989407#msg989407
I'm sure Wojo is heartbroken.
Yep that was the game. As i stated i did lose it after that game and was most frustrated cause i didnt think we played with effort or energy but as i said i had been defending wojo all year against the cant coach and zone crowds
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Lol
Simply horrible statement it’s everything
All that matters is whether or not he's the best option for MU at the 3
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All that matters is whether or not he's the best option for MU at the 3
True, but if he's the 8-10th best in the Big East and also the best option for MU, that's not necessarily a good thing.
So it matters, and it doesn't. It is... AND it isn't.
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Let’s hope these next two seasons we really take the next step.
Can only imagine Wojos recruiting ability if we also can sell kids on being perennial top 25.
Nice knowing we don’t have any glaring holes the next two years
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True, but if he's the 8-10th best in the Big East and also the best option for MU, that's not necessarily a good thing.
So it matters, and it doesn't. It is... AND it isn't.
If his point is that MU needs to upgrade its talent at the SF position... fine. But in the context of playing time, all that matters is how he fits into the lineup and how he stacks up against other SF's on MU's roster.
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True, but if he's the 8-10th best in the Big East and also the best option for MU, that's not necessarily a good thing.
So it matters, and it doesn't. It is... AND it isn't.
It isn't about the girl, Coop.
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Reminds me of a black Jerry West, hey?
Do you mean he reminds you of Earl Tatum?
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Not good and terrible are not the same.
Last year Sacar sans 1 game was not good. Next two years barring major improvements in defensive rebounding and shooting he will play less. If he improves in those two areas specifically and all areas in general he will have moved the needle from not good towards good and will contest for more playing time. Pretty simple but a long way to go.
Sacar became a much better player as the season progressed. The question is whether he has peaked or will continue to progress.
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If his point is that MU needs to upgrade its talent at the SF position... fine. But in the context of playing time, all that matters is how he fits into the lineup and how he stacks up against other SF's on MU's roster.
Not even stacking up against other SFs on the MU's roster, more on how he stacks up against other people who have similar roles on MU's roster. As someone said earlier, 2 and 3 are the same in today's game. Hell, some would argue 2, 3, and 4 are all the same. You need guys who have specific, complimentary skills to be a really good team. Yes some of those skills align to traditional positions, i.e. a guy who can get boards and defend the paint generally are going to align with a traditional center and have some size and length to them. A guy who can create and find the open man generally would be a traditional PG and so on.
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With Chartouny and NcEwen in the fold, it's time for another expectations thread!
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Sacar finished his sophomore season 4th on the team in minutes played. His contribution shows in the raw numbers: 4th in points scored, 4th in assists, 5th in steals, 6th in rebounds.
Sacar ended up filling a role similar to Haanif Cheatham during his sophomore season, when he finished 4th in minutes played, 3rd in assists, 4th in rebounds, 5th in steals, 7th in points scored.
Sacar seems to be the quicker and more athletic player of the two. Both were among the team's best on-ball defenders (I'd give Sacar the slight edge), both slashers (Sacar converts at a slightly higher rate), decent passers and rebounders (slight edge to Haanif), and neither a dependable option from outside the arc.
They're not stars. They're solid role players, which every team needs. There's a reason why Sacar got more minutes than Jamal or Greg: He earned them. Sacar was a more consistent overall performer, especially down the stretch. In the last 10 games of the season (when Marquette went 7-3), Sacar averaged 31+ minutes a game.
I see a lot of potential in Jamal and Greg. But I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Sacar. I'm sure he's working just as hard as anyone on the team to improve his game in the offseason. I'd be surprised if his minutes are reduced by 50% or more.
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Don't dismiss Sacar.......
He must have very big hands.....He snaps his jump shot with back spin.....
Others I have seen with that kind of shot.....Terry Cummings.....Michael Jordan......etc
If he perfect his jumper with a lot of repetition this summer......He could have a break out year next year......
The kind of jumper he has.....Is very rare.....I did not say it is good yet......But he has a chance.....
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just..... asking...... why....... you......... do........ that....... burger........?
Your points are good and interesting. Seriously, why the format?
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just..... asking...... why....... you......... do........ that....... burger........?
Your points are good and interesting. Seriously, why the format?
Because a burger needs filler.
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4ever
Something like that.
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just..... asking...... why....... you......... do........ that....... burger........?
Your points are good and interesting. Seriously, why the format?
He went to the Dodds school of message boarding? ;)
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Terrible never used once
Worst defensive player in BE, in retrospect may have been accurate
Of course that's the response you're going with. Also hilarious.
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Obviously we are going to have a ton of talent next year. The one thing that puzzles me is no mention of speed. This years team and last years team were very slow overall. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?
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Obviously we are going to have a ton of talent next year. The one thing that puzzles me is no mention of speed. This years team and last years team were very slow overall. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?
I really like the acquisition of McEwen and Chartouny. Both are proven players. More importantly, they create a lot of flexibility in who we play based on opponent. For example, there are going to be certain games where we don't want Greg and Jamal coming off the floor because of their speed and I think these two guys facilitate that kind of defensive athletic oriented fast breaking lineup at 1, 2 and 3 position where we can then play Sam and Joey together etc.
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I really like the acquisition of McEwen and Chartouny. Both are proven players. More importantly, they create a lot of flexibility in who we play based on opponent. For example, there are going to be certain games where we don't want Greg and Jamal coming off the floor because of their speed and I think these two guys facilitate that kind of defensive athletic oriented fast breaking lineup at 1, 2 and 3 position where we can then play Sam and Joey together etc.
You do know JC and KM will never play together, don't you?
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You do know JC and KM will never play together, don't you?
Well, at "The Al" they will.
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Sacar was very good at what he was asked to do. The problem was other players weren’t as good at what they were asked to do. Sacar will still play a lot of minutes next year.
But about Koby, since, you know, this is a thread on Koby McEwen’s commitment to Marquette...
What are the rules as far as transfers and when everything is official? It looks like MU Tweeted our an official welcome to the two today. I’m pretty confident that if they were high school recruits MU could not do that until they officially sign a NLI? What’s the rule with transfers?
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I was excited about koby until i saw he retweeted a bunch of j cole and now im not so sure
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I wonder if Koby and Bailey knew each other because Koby played HS in Utah and both were in the same class
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With Chartouny and NcEwen in the fold, it's time for another expectations thread!
My expectation is that McEwen wil start at scout team PG leading to the team learning better on ball defense in practice.
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My expectation is that McEwen wil start at scout team PG leading to the team learning better on ball defense in practice.
my expectation is many on here with "sources" will be saying given his practice play...he's the best player on the team.
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Obviously we are going to have a ton of talent next year. The one thing that puzzles me is no mention of speed. This years team and last years team were very slow overall. Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?
That will need to prove at least to me that they can play defense. Then and only then will I say we have a ton of talent.
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I was excited about koby until i saw he retweeted a bunch of j cole and now im not so sure
I know. SJU grad. Gross.
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That will need to prove at least to me that they can play defense. Then and only then will I say we have a ton of talent.
Don't worry. Wojo has defense covered. He was national D Player of the year back in the day. He is a defensive guru.....offense too!