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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on December 17, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
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This is part mini rant and part genuine question. Why do we use other sports metaphors to describe another sport specifically basketball?
We use scrum from rugby to describe any type of pile up in basketball.
Real Chilly Pod has used a million boxing references over the years. Especially in recent pods.
I've heard Wojo on many occasions describe basketball games as heavyweight bouts, mentioned taking punches, say we'd beat Creighton if we'd turn the game into a boxing match.
And analysts on multiple games have been using more and more punching references instead of just saying "they're on a run let's see how the other team responds"
What's the reasoning behind this? I've never described anything in a boxing or MMA match by saying he needs to "slam dunk" on somebody. I don't believe I've heard an easy fight being called a "layup". It seems to mostly happen with basketball. Why?
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This is part mini rant and part genuine question. Why do we use other sports metaphors to describe another sport specifically basketball?
We use scrum from rugby to describe any type of pile up in basketball.
Real Chilly Pod has used a million boxing references over the years. Especially in recent pods.
I've heard Wojo on many occasions describe basketball games as heavyweight bouts, mentioned taking punches, say we'd beat Creighton if we'd turn the game into a boxing match.
And analysts on multiple games have been using more and more punching references instead of just saying "they're on a run let's see how the other team responds"
What's the reasoning behind this? I've never described anything in a boxing or MMA match by saying he needs to "slam dunk" on somebody. I don't believe I've heard an easy fight being called a "layup". It seems to mostly happen with basketball. Why?
Interesting, I hadn't really thought of this before as I've become so used to it.
I'd like someone to describe a game as a "good, old fashioned slobber knocker." Old school Big East games would be good for that.
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Interesting, I hadn't really thought of this before as I've become so used to it.
I'd like someone to describe a game as a "good, old fashioned slobber knocker." Old school Big East games would be good for that.
I hadn't noticed it till the Nate Robinson disaster where the boxing analysts mentioned that a lot of basketball players do boxing workouts to stay flexible and in shape. And since then I haven't stopped noticing it's ridiculous how many times those metaphors are used which is odd for a non contact/contact discouraged sport.
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I often seen "5-tool player" used to describe basketball players who can do a little bit of everything
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I often seen "5-tool player" used to describe basketball players who can do a little bit of everything
Heard that as well and never knew what it meant. You can add that to the list.
Seriously, am I crazy or do people analyzing basketball have some weird need to describe it using other sports recently?
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I don’t think it’s basketball specific, I think you’ll find many sports borrow phrases or expressions from other sports.
Boxing/combat sports bleed into everything cause we love to view sports or games as a battle.
I’ve heard “pitching a shutout” in football games. There are plenty of examples.
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I don’t think it’s basketball specific, I think you’ll find many sports borrow phrases or expressions from other sports.
Boxing/combat sports bleed into everything cause we love to view sports or games as a battle.
I’ve heard “pitching a shutout” in football games. There are plenty of examples.
I'll try to listen for it more in other sports maybe I've just never noticed it in other sports. As I said it was the Nate Robinson thing that removed the blinders so maybe I'll hear it in Football or Hockey as well now that you've pointed it out.
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"Slam dunk" has become a very common reference, not just when other sports are being discussed but a variety of topics.
"I visited 5 colleges but I picked Marquette. It really was a slam dunk."
"Layup" used fairly similarly.
In lacrosse and football, much talk (and strategy) of "setting screens."
When a big receiver gets his defender on his back so he can make a contested catch, it's often referred to as "boxing out." "Gronkowski really boxed out Jones there."
Hail Mary passes often referred to as "jump balls." For that matter, any time a QB lobs a pass for a tall receiver who can sky, it gets referred to as a "jump ball."
People who try to delay something (often used in a political setting) are said to be using "the 4-corners offense." To bring in boxing, sometimes that's called "rope-a-dope."
Yep ... plenty of hoops terms get used as metaphors, though probably not often in boxing.
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"Slam dunk" has become a very common reference, not just when other sports are being discussed but a variety of topics.
"I visited 5 colleges but I picked Marquette. It really was a slam dunk."
"Layup" used fairly similarly.
In lacrosse and football, much talk (and strategy) of "setting screens."
When a big receiver gets his defender on his back so he can make a contested catch, it's often referred to as "boxing out." "Gronkowski really boxed out Jones there."
Hail Mary passes often referred to as "jump balls." For that matter, any time a QB lobs a pass for a tall receiver who can sky, it gets referred to as a "jump ball."
People who try to delay something (often used in a political setting) are said to be using "the 4-corners offense." To bring in boxing, sometimes that's called "rope-a-dope."
Yep ... plenty of hoops terms get used as metaphors, though probably not often in boxing.
Oh I completely agree sports metaphors are used a ton in life. And while I'm on this rant I'll bring in the Office's point about work being "above par" should be a metaphor for bad work not good work.
Not sure I'd agree that setting a screen started in basketball, seems like that's just any act of stopping a defender and creating a lane for a player no matter sport.
Didn't know they used box out or jump ball in football. So as I said to Wags, perhaps I just had blinders onto this and only assumed it was basketball using other sports metaphors because that's what I watch most frequently and the blinders came off.
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I often seen "5-tool player" used to describe basketball players who can do a little bit of everything
It's actually a scouting evaluation in basketball (likely borrowed).
https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2010/11/22/nba-scouting-101-the-five-tool-basketball-player-and-a-look-at-texas%25e2%2580%2599-nba-prospects/
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I have heard the term "layup" on rare occasion in other sports, but often in other walks of life to describe something very easy to accomplish. In sports they tend to use the term "gimme" from golf instead.
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The "Wisconsin Handshake" can be used in any sport, not just football and basketball.
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Thought about this last night when the announcers said Marquette shots were lipping out.
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A short field goal is a “chip shot.”
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Watching a fight last weekend I heard the announcers say Stevenson was “pitching a shutout.” Pretty common term used in boxing announcing.
And let’s not forget about “Hail Mary” being used in every sport.
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Watching a fight last weekend I heard the announcers say Stevenson was “pitching a shutout.” Pretty common term used in boxing announcing.
And let’s not forget about “Hail Mary” being used in every sport.
Really? MMA or Boxing? I've never heard that used in a fight. Again, I only started noticing it recently regarding basketball.
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Really? MMA or Boxing? I've never heard that used in a fight. Again, I only started noticing it recently regarding basketball.
Boxing. Shakur Stevenson fight, though I’ve heard it other times. Used when a fighter is winning every round 10-0 in this case).
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Maybe not in sports always, but slam dunk is frequently used in society. Our ex-union president was largely voted out because of a contract arbitration he repeatedly referred to as a "slam dunk." But we lost wages and arbitration, so now "slam dunk" has become the "done deal" of my union.
I've also heard easy things referred to as "layups" often. Not sure about other terms. "Charged right in" is close to the basketball term, but may well have different etymology. I do think when we hear "assist" it's a basketball reference, though I suppose in basketball, announcers often refer to the "hockey assist" (pass before the pass) so maybe that's not definitive. "Alley-oop" and "airball" are also used in common parlance. One sports one that is used, in football they sometimes refer to Hail Mary passes as "jump balls." Another term that is often used, though I'm not sure how often in other sports, is "full court press" any time one is trying to apply maximum pressure.