Oso planning to go pro
But it is a statistic. The thing I have trouble tracking in my brain is that on average 2.73 Million people die in the US every year. So let's extrapolate and say this year, 300,000 people die of Covid this year......how many of those are net new deaths that wouldn't have happened anyway.I'm not trying to be a ghoul here or discount the seriousness of Covid, but bring a balance between the continued panic over the deaths and the cavalier attitude that you point out.We should be wearing masks, we should be distancing, we should be tracking where possible.....but isn't this death outcome kind of sort of baked in, especially if we're going support the protests? I'm not saying I'm numb to but this seems to be where we're at and I'm not sure what we want done about it.
Either you view it as a statistic or you view it in the lens of “each of these is a person no longer with us” like Gov Murphy was doing in every press conference
Or both...The process of containment needs data and statistics - we also count to give meaning to the people that contracted this and to try to minimize loss/allocate resources. I think the sentiment i believe Goooo is saying (that i tend to agree with) is that it feels that we have given up in some degree on the process of containment....and that is disheartening.
That is basically what I was getting at. I don't expect our loss of life to be zero, but just commenting that society has largely forgotten those people, and their deaths are just a number now.
The vast majority of people who die are forgotten pretty quickly, except for the people who truly knew them. Why should this be different? Why should I carry the memory of someone who I don't know who died of Covid anymore than the person who died in a car crash last week or the person who finally succumbed to cancer?I will likely die a pretty anonymous death. Outside of my family and close friends, I will probably be forgotten relatively quickly. Within a generation or two, the only thing left to remember me will be some legal documents and the like. Just like it's always been.
Aw Sultan ... nobody on Scoop could ever forget you.
I will die like I lived, stupidly
Do we still read the names of the people who died on 9/11? I'm not suggesting we memorialize each Covid death, but as a whole we seem to have normalized a thousand a day as no big deal anymore. Again, just commentary.
Sure we read the names of 9/11 victims...I personally don't because I didn't know anyone personally who perished. But we also have largely forgotten people who have died is similar types of incidents. I mean, we have largely forgotten the Maine.
Mu03eng, this is a pretty simple statistic that is widely tracked in excess deaths. Excess deaths compared to the normal average. That metric says we are undercounting COVID-19 deaths. That means these aren't people that were going to die anyways, unless you mean we will all eventually die. It shows in a year over year average, deaths are up substantially due to COVID.Another study has shown that the average COVID death would have lived 7-10 more years.
I haven’t looked at this study in awhile, but I have major issues just based off of simple demographics. According to the CDC, 60% of COVID deaths are patients 75 and older. 33% are 85 and older. The average lifespan in the US is currently just over 78. When you have well over half the deaths occurring in people at or over the average lifespan in the US, how can they be “expected” to all be living another 7-10 years. It just seems flawed on a fundamental level.
As opposed to? Statistics in this case are used to track and mitigate risk. If we treat it differently because of the human element then you get into a “who are we to say even one loss of life isn’t acceptable” and you get people clamoring to stay home until we have a cure. It’s a slippery slope to be sure but I’m not sure what sort of special weight you want put to it?Either you view it as a statistic or you view it in the lens of “each of these is a person no longer with us” like Gov Murphy was doing in every press conference
Trump demanding that all attendees to his rallies sign Covid waivers that they will not sue Trump campaign if they get sick. I guess a few dead bodies are a legitimate price to pay to stoke Bunker Boy’s ego.
If someone wants to tell me what we can do more than we already doing (yes I think universal mask coverage makes sense) I'm all ears, but until than we mourn and we soldier on.
The Federal Govt could be ramping up testing even faster than is being done.
Not disagreeing, but is there a shortfall of people needing/requesting testing?