Kenosha

[JWags85]

The second man was shot in the head.

No he was shot in the chest, clearly shown on the video. He staggered away holding his chest before he fell.

[shoothoops]

It is my understanding that he shot three people based on reports I have seen and read.

It is being reported he first shot and killed one person, and, after that he was recorded being chased by a few people after this first shooting.

This would be the video including one with a skateboard where the suspect falls to the ground and gets up and shoots the two people. This is the part of the video where he shoots two people quickly, killing one and injuring another.

[Jockey]

No he was shot in the chest, clearly shown on the video. He staggered away holding his chest before he fell.

Yes, you are correct. That was the skateboarder who was among a group of people trying to stop him after the 1st murder.

[forgetful]

Where did you see this by chance? Not doubting you but everything said the first victim was shot in the head, and the video/stills I saw showed a man bleeding from the head and a crude t shirt wrap being placed around his head

https://www.foxnews.com/us/accused-kenosha-shooters-lawyer-claims-self-defense-amid-new-video

The article refers to the coroner report and the first victim being shot in the groin and back.

[jesmu84]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/kenosha-militia-facebook-reported-455-times-moderators

"Our bad, again. We could easily and relatively cheaply rid our social media of the bad apples, but it would hurt our profit margins. So, we won't. But we will apologize each time someone sheds light on our crapty business practices.

PS. Thanks for making us so rich."

[panda]

If anyone wants to hear about the man who did this (bring it back), the link is below.  I think many MU folks would find it time well spent listening to the piece/interview.  This is a man who decided NOT to become a Jesuit priest because he wanted to serve  more directly.  I think it was meant to be a quick interview, but it was so fascinating to the NPR host that it went on for 12+ mins.

url=https://www.wnpr.org/post/departing-new-haven-police-chief-speaks-ministry-law-enforcement]https://www.wnpr.org/post/departing-new-haven-police-chief-speaks-ministry-law-enforcement[/url

Very powerful clip from The Wire. Must watch for those who haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA5za4VsskM

[TSmith34, Inc.]

"Our bad, again. We could easily and relatively cheaply rid our social media of the bad apples, but it would hurt our profit margins. So, we won't. But we will apologize each time someone sheds light on our crapty business practices.

PS. Thanks for making us so rich."

I despise that greedy little unnatural carnal knowledge weasel.

[Hards Alumni]

Anyone need to see a video of Kyle Rittenhouse punching a girl in the head from behind?

Because that video exists.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Anyone need to see a video of Kyle Rittenhouse punching a girl in the head from behind?

Because that video exists.

Sure did and it was much more than one punch.  He lost it. 

Would something like that be admissible in his trial if they're trying to paint a picture of him as violent with a short fuse?   

[MU82]

Seems like a fine young man. One can see why some are painting him as a martyr and a patriot.

[Pakuni]

Sure did and it was much more than one punch.  He lost it. 

Would something like that be admissible in his trial if they're trying to paint a picture of him as violent with a short fuse?

Not likely.

[CreightonWarrior]

Sure did and it was much more than one punch.  He lost it. 

Would something like that be admissible in his trial if they're trying to paint a picture of him as violent with a short fuse?

No clue if it’s matters in court for the defense team but everyone else involved in the incident had a criminal record.

[rocket surgeon]

  from the journel-sentinal-

 " A witness told investigators Rittenhouse shot the man when he grabbed for Rittenhouse's gun."


  not sure how this would play out for a jury, but if rosenbaum get's rittenhouse'  gun, i'm pretty sure his fate would have been that of rosenbaum.  rittenhouse was the one being chased and something thrown at him. 

  as for the skate boarder(huber)-rittenhouse was hit with the skateboard and attempt was made to grab his gun

 grosskreutz(who was shot in the arm) was armed with a handgun.  whether or not it was real and/or loaded, is the question.  why he did not use it, is a question i have not seen answered

1st degree murder is a lazy "overcharge" to placate the opposition.  if (it will) fail, it just emboldens the rioters and we will see kenosha burn II.  it is irresponsible of the media to get many of the previously unreported facts out days after gov evers and his lt gov. mandela barnes already made their inflammatory remarks.

 Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes said Monday the police shooting of a Black man by Kenosha officers "wasn't an accident," after the man was shot seven times in the back "in front of his children."

  "This wasn't bad police work," Barnes said in an address Monday. "This felt like some sort of vendetta taken out on a member of our community."

    "Speaking alongside Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers, Barnes said "the irony isn't lost on me that Jacob Blake was actually trying to deescalate a situation in his community, but the responding officer didn't feel the need to do the same."

 Evers on Sunday night condemned the shooting of the man, saying in a statement that “while we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed  at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.”


  as leaders of our state, they owe it to the public to do better.  many innocent people were affected by these comments

 

[forgetful]

  from the journel-sentinal-

 " A witness told investigators Rittenhouse shot the man when he grabbed for Rittenhouse's gun."


  not sure how this would play out for a jury, but if rosenbaum get's rittenhouse'  gun, i'm pretty sure his fate would have been that of rosenbaum.  rittenhouse was the one being chased and something thrown at him. 

  as for the skate boarder(huber)-rittenhouse was hit with the skateboard and attempt was made to grab his gun

 grosskreutz(who was shot in the arm) was armed with a handgun.  whether or not it was real and/or loaded, is the question.  why he did not use it, is a question i have not seen answered

1st degree murder is a lazy "overcharge" to placate the opposition.  if (it will) fail, it just emboldens the rioters and we will see kenosha burn II.  it is irresponsible of the media to get many of the previously unreported facts out days after gov evers and his lt gov. mandela barnes already made their inflammatory remarks.

 Wisconsin Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes said Monday the police shooting of a Black man by Kenosha officers "wasn't an accident," after the man was shot seven times in the back "in front of his children."

  "This wasn't bad police work," Barnes said in an address Monday. "This felt like some sort of vendetta taken out on a member of our community."

    "Speaking alongside Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers, Barnes said "the irony isn't lost on me that Jacob Blake was actually trying to deescalate a situation in his community, but the responding officer didn't feel the need to do the same."

 Evers on Sunday night condemned the shooting of the man, saying in a statement that “while we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed  at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.”


  as leaders of our state, they owe it to the public to do better.  many innocent people were affected by these comments

From other media sources, the witness was a journalist from a far-right news organization.

Also, you had Rittenhouse, armed with a rifle and by other accounts antagonizing and confronting protestors. At what point, can those being antagonized and confronted claim self-defense? Rittenhouse is the one who came to a protest to confront protestors, armed himself illegally, decided to maintain those illegal arms while violating curfews (breaking more laws), then confront protestors. The kid is a murderer.

So is the left-wing protestor who shot and killed a far-right white nationalist in Portland last night after a confrontation.

They are both criminals who should be punished to the full extent of the law. That prominent conservatives are calling a murderer a hero, and donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend him is abhorrent and disgusting. The fact that we have a president's advisor saying that the violence is good for Trump, and then Trump constantly fanning the flames of violence is a disgrace.

Since when is "Law and Order" encouraging violence? Encouraging armed vigilantes from entering protests and instigating confrontations? When is "Law and Order" defending an illegally armed vigilante gunning down and murdering 2 people?

[tower912]

A 17 year old with a borrowed AR-15.   Crossing state lines to confront protesters.    Given a water bottle when interacting with the police.    When he finally is confronted by protesters, he shoots them.   

[Pakuni]

A 17 year old with a borrowed AR-15.   Crossing state lines to confront protesters.    Given a water bottle when interacting with the police.    When he finally is confronted by protesters, he shoots them.

Stop. It's pretty obvious he traveled 20+ miles from home, armed himself with a military rifle and patrolled the streets of a city where he doesn't live because he feared for his life.
I mean, just because a guy puts on boxing gloves and steps into a ring, it doesn't mean he's looking for a fight.

[tower912]

Oh, he is the definition of outside agitator.   Who came looking for trouble and found it.   

[MU82]

Very fine people on both sides of this, obviously.

[tower912]

Obviously.   Build him a statue.

[Jockey]

A 17 year old with a borrowed AR-15.   Crossing state lines to confront protesters.    Given a water bottle when interacting with the police.    When he finally is confronted by protesters, he shoots them.

Don't forget that the police thanked a minor/murderer for carrying an assault rifle to control protesters.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Don't forget that the police thanked a minor/murderer for carrying an assault rifle to control protesters.

Does a person of color carrying that type of weapon make it out of there alive or without being arrested even without shooting anyone? 

I think we know that answer and that's the problem. 

[Jockey]

Does a person of color carrying that type of weapon make it out of there alive or without being arrested even without shooting anyone? 

I think we know that answer and that's the problem.

Exactly. Remember, this all started when a coward, wannabe assassin emptied his gun into a black man's back.

Not only was Kyle carrying a weapon near police, but bystanders were screaming to the police that he was shooting people. They couldn't be bothered to do their job. Looking impressive in their assault vehicles was way more important.

[rocket surgeon]

not sure if this has been posted and/or viewed, but it is a pretty good breakdown and summary of the sequence of events-not from a "far right" news organization-

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjG4uequWQ


"Also, you had Rittenhouse, armed with a rifle and by other accounts antagonizing and confronting protestors. At what point, can those being antagonized and confronted claim self-defense? Rittenhouse is the one who came to a protest to confront protestors, armed himself illegally, decided to maintain those illegal arms while violating curfews (breaking more laws), then confront protestors. The kid is a murderer."

   last time i checked, we have due process, so i'm assuming this is your opinion

"So is the left-wing protestor who shot and killed a far-right white nationalist in Portland last night after a confrontation."

     i never said anything about portland, but was the protestor(sp?) far left or just "left"?


"They are both criminals who should be punished to the full extent of the law. That prominent conservatives are calling a murderer a hero, and donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend him is abhorrent and disgusting. The fact that we have a president's advisor saying that the violence is good for Trump, and then Trump constantly fanning the flames of violence is a disgrace."


    ok, he's not a hero, but i'm sure there have been some "prominent conservatives" who have also denounced this as well.  anything about "prominent liberals" donating to get violent rioters out of jail and or defend them?  the minnesota relief fund?  wrong or right, people are setting up relief funds, gofundme's etc on both sides so calm down there forgetable


"Since when is "Law and Order" encouraging violence? Encouraging armed vigilantes from entering protests and instigating confrontations? When is "Law and Order" defending an illegally armed vigilante gunning down and murdering 2 people?"

  once again, due process.  the attorneys are going to duke this out

re-read my comments-my main concern was evers and barnes premature comments, the violence and destruction of property and due process.  the deaths of those involved were very unfortunate,  remember, not much good happens after 10 pm

 maybe it's just me, but 1) don't bring a skateboard to a gunfight and 2) chasing guys with AR's is not a good idea. 

 



 

[rocket surgeon]

Exactly. Remember, this all started when a coward, wannabe assassin emptied his gun into a black man's back.

Not only was Kyle carrying a weapon near police, but bystanders were screaming to the police that he was shooting people. They couldn't be bothered to do their job. Looking impressive in their assault vehicles was way more important.

 this is just so wrong and intellectually lazy, but par for the course

[BM1090]

this is just so wrong and intellectually lazy, but par for the course

Some of it may be wrong. We will hopefully find out the entire truth in time.

The first two sentences of the second parahraph are absolutely accurate and can be confirmed on multiple videos.