Kenosha

[Hards Alumni]

Not sure how well the advice of always listening to priests and coaches will work out

[MU82]

No person should take the law into their own hands. Vigilantism leads to situations just like this. Where were the police, the fire department to bring order and put out the fires? This was a failure of elected and non-elected local and state officials.

Well, the Kenosha police let this 17-year-old turd stroll by them with his assault rifle hanging from his shoulder by its strap. He walked right at them, and kept reaching for his gun (seemingly because it kept slipping off his shoulder).

I wonder if a Black guy would have been allowed to stroll so casually toward the cops while constantly reaching for his gun during a riot. Hmmm. I wonder.

[muwarrior69]

Well, the Kenosha police let this 17-year-old turd stroll by them with his assault rifle hanging from his shoulder by its strap. He walked right at them, and kept reaching for his gun (seemingly because it kept slipping off his shoulder).

I wonder if a Black guy would have been allowed to stroll so casually toward the cops while constantly reaching for his gun during a riot. Hmmm. I wonder.

Again a failure of local and state officials to maintain order at the time. He has been arrested and charged and hopefully as an adult, not get off on some technicality as a minor.

[Coleman]

Tonight the D.A. said,  if he could prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt he would prosecute the cop who shot Blake.  He did not say what he would do if he he could not prove the murder beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's not how indictments are supposed to work....

[buckchuckler]

Whole bunch of your elders are in hell.

And a whole bunch of our children.  Both figuratively and literally.  If we don't get crap figured out in this country. 

[vogue65]

That's not how indictments are supposed to work....

Coleman,

Are you a lawyer?

That's the problem, the D.A., the prosecuter, decides to bury a case because HE FEEL'S that the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt can't be met.
Our system is failing us.
Let a jury of his peers make the decision, not the prosecuter.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can smell a rigged system when I come across one.

Political prosecutors and non political prosecutors tricks of the trade off the top of my head are change of venue, plausible deniability, qualified immunity, and selective eninforcement.

As I  say I'm no lawyer, but the law is failing us.  We are in a lawless society when a 17 year old with a loaded AK-47 can walk down the street and kill people.  Right to bear an AK-47, stand your ground laws, and ambushes are acceptable means the end of civilized society.

[Boone]

In current bizarro land, I half expect that 17 year old to speak at Trump Fest tonite

[vogue65]

And a whole bunch of our children.  Both figuratively and literally.  If we don't get crap figured out in this country.

How about starting with electing people who pay their taxes and can prove it?

[Coleman]

Coleman,

Are you a lawyer?

That's the problem, the D.A., the prosecuter, decides to bury a case because HE FEEL'S that the standard of reasonable doubt can't be met.
Our system is failing us.
Let a jury of his peers make the decision, not the prosecuter.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can smell a rigged system when I come across one.

Political prosecutors and non political prosecutors tricks of the trade off the top of my head are change of venue, plausible deniability, qualified immunity, and selective eninforcement.

As I  say I'm no lawyer, but the law is failing us.  We are in a lawless society when a 17 year old with a loaded AK-47 can walk down the street and kill people.  Right to bear an AK-47, stand your ground laws, and ambushes are acceptable means the end of civilized society.

I am not a lawyer.

But I know enough to know that the standard burden of proof for indictment is not the same as conviction.

[vogue65]

In current bizarro land, I half expect that 17 year old to speak at Trump Fest tonite

They would have if they had time. 
The nut job lawyers from St. Louis ( home of the Dred Scott decision) had to do for now.

[vogue65]

I am not a lawyer.

But I know enough to know that the standard burden of proof for indictment is not the same as conviction.

I don't know what you know.
The D.A. said that he will determine to prosecute or not based on his evaluation of the evidence.
He has the power not the people, and claiming he is elected is besides the point.

[ATL MU Warrior]

In current bizarro land, I half expect that 17 year old to speak at Trump Fest tonite

bravo for this.

[vogue65]

I don’t think you know what Legion baseball is.

Are you in the Legion?

We sponsor a team, we make a connection with the post and the young men, some even become auxiliary members.

You're right I haven' a clue.

[Elonsmusk]

And a whole bunch of our children.  Both figuratively and literally.  If we don't get crap figured out in this country.

This is a very true statement.  Yet it seems the vast majority of young people, college students, etc., seem to be very woke.  They will save us from the sins of our elders. 

At times I regret not having children, yet there are times I'm actually grateful too, as I suspect America is going to be an absolute cesspool in 30 years.  Why?  Deterioration of family values, fringe extremists in media/social media dictating to the masses what they can/cannot do, say, believe, (without being called a racist, sexist, xenophobe, misogynist)  and a society that seemingly eschews personal responsibility and wants to immediately point the finger outward.

Life isn't fair. Never has been.  Never will be.  Tough sh$t.  Jeff Bezos is a billionaire and has way more money than he needs.  So what?  You don't like that, don't use his company's services.  Creation of value is what gets rewarded in our society - Amazon provides a valuable service, thus, the market rewards it.  I suspect Jeff Bezos has a lot better ideas how to deploy his capital than some idiot politicians.

It is really sad to see and hear how many people resent the massive succe$$ our country's innovators have achieved, and the good and convenience their innovations bring to the lives of those of us less brilliant, driven, capable.

And what happened in Kenosha is just as sad.  Everything about it.  Young man with a checkered rap sheet, who doesn't want to comply with authority, to overzealous cops that massively overreacted. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

In current bizarro land, I half expect that 17 year old to speak at Trump Fest tonite

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1298711658362056704
"I want Kyle Rittenhouse as my bodyguard. I want him as my president."

[MUBurrow]

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1298711658362056704
"I want Kyle Rittenhouse as my bodyguard. I want him as my president."

hfs

[vogue65]

Good authority.

I knew 3 different priests from three different walks of life that as it turns out all molested children.

I knew a police officer who was racist, verbally and physically abusive. He got away with it a long time too. ...until he was caught on video cracking his flashlight on an innocent person's head. He was fired.

Don't get me started with coaches, teachers, the military.

There are of course many good people in all of these professions and others. I have experienced that too.

It's perfectly acceptable to question bad authority. Good trouble.

Right on.
The trick to good leadership and using authority properly is humility.
The problem is that authoritian leaders are ego maniacs.
Most people in authority have big egos.
People like to be led by bullies and thugs, until they don't.

[vogue65]

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1298711658362056704
"I want Kyle Rittenhouse as my bodyguard. I want him as my president."

We should up the voting age to 25 or 30.
Young people don't vote anyway and if they do, look out.

[jficke13]

I am not a lawyer.

But I know enough to know that the standard burden of proof for indictment is not the same as conviction.

That's not really how DAs make decisions of prosecutorial discretion.

Conviction rates are so high in part because of the cases that aren't brought. If you're the DA, you don't want to waste your time charging cases where your assessment of your case suggests you have enough to charge but not enough to reach BARD and convict.

What's the point of charging cases you expect to lose?

(Now, there is implicit in this the fact that the DA is the one making that evaluation, and the "I don't think I can prove guilt BARD for [whomever is suspected of a crime]" gives the DA the power to protect someone behind their prosecutorial discretion, but that's separate from a discussion of how burdens of proof work at the charging stage)

[Elonsmusk]

We should up the voting age to 25 or 30.
Young people don't vote anyway and if they do, look out.

Iagree with you.  Yet, Kamala Harris believes the voting age should be lowered.  Everybody knows kids by 16 have developed strong critical thinking skills.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=232235

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/kamala-harris-impeachment-voting-age-changes/

Asked later about lowering the voting age to 16, Harris said: “I’m really interested in having that conversation.” Some Democratic bigwigs now think it’s time to have a conversation about Kamala Harris’s interest in “having that conversation.”

[vogue65]

This is a very true statement.  Yet it seems the vast majority of young people, college students, etc., seem to be very woke.  They will save us from the sins of our elders. 

At times I regret not having children, yet there are times I'm actually grateful too, as I suspect America is going to be an absolute cesspool in 30 years.  Why?  Deterioration of family values, fringe extremists in media/social media dictating to the masses what they can/cannot do, say, believe, (without being called a racist, sexist, xenophobe, misogynist)  and a society that seemingly eschews personal responsibility and wants to immediately point the finger outward.

Life isn't fair. Never has been.  Never will be.  Tough sh$t.  Jeff Bezos is a billionaire and has way more money than he needs.  So what?  You don't like that, don't use his company's services.  Creation of value is what gets rewarded in our society - Amazon provides a valuable service, thus, the market rewards it.  I suspect Jeff Bezos has a lot better ideas how to deploy his capital than some idiot politicians.

It is really sad to see and hear how many people resent the massive succe$$ our country's innovators have achieved, and the good and convenience their innovations bring to the lives of those of us less brilliant, driven, capable.

And what happened in Kenosha is just as sad.  Everything about it.  Young man with a checkered rap sheet, who doesn't want to comply with authority, to overzealous cops that massively overreacted.

You really drank the Kool-Aid.
I live part time in Europe, we have our share of wealthy people.
Some have their fortunes that go back centuries.
They also understand the common good and enlightened self interest.
The influence of the Harvard M.B.A. mentality on our culture has created the current business culture in America.
I feel Marquette fell right into the trap.

We can't have it both ways.  Subjugate and dominate some and let some take all the marbles.

A house divided against itself can not stand, Abe Lincoln.

[vogue65]

Iagree with you.  Yet, Kamala Harris believes the voting age should be lowered.  Everybody knows kids by 16 have developed strong critical thinking skills.

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=232235

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/kamala-harris-impeachment-voting-age-changes/

Asked later about lowering the voting age to 16, Har767'sris said: “I’m really interested in having that conversation.” Some Democratic bigwigs now think it’s time to have a conversation about Kamala Harris’s interest in “having that conversation.”

Yes, even liberals have agreeable disagreements, we are not a cult.
I'm for bringing back the draft.
A fair draft without loopholes like law school.
Harris is not the Democratic Party, she is a senator and a candidate.

[Jockey]

Well, the Kenosha police let this 17-year-old turd stroll by them with his assault rifle hanging from his shoulder by its strap. He walked right at them, and kept reaching for his gun (seemingly because it kept slipping off his shoulder).

I wonder if a Black guy would have been allowed to stroll so casually toward the cops while constantly reaching for his gun during a riot. Hmmm. I wonder.

A day earlier, in Idaho, heavily armed white terrorists stormed the state capitol and forced their way past police into the chambers. Heavily armed white men. The police reaction? Ah, let them do it, we don't want any trouble.

An unarmed black man walks away from police? Police reaction is to empty their gun into the man's back.

THIS IS AMERICA!

[Elonsmusk]

You really drank the Kool-Aid.
I live part time in Europe, we have our share of wealthy people.
Some have their fortunes that go back centuries.
They also understand the common good and enlightened self interest.
The influence of the Harvard M.B.A. mentality on our culture has created the current business culture in America.
I feel Marquette fell right into the trap.

We can't have it both ways.  Subjugate and dominate some and let some take all the marbles.

A house divided against itself can not stand, Abe Lincoln.

Pretty sure our rich have donated massive amounts of their fortunes to all kinds of societal causes.  Not to mention the companies they build employ millions, and generate billions in wages, and tax revenues. 

Further, the top 1% pay 38% of the U.S. Tax bill.  Is a 38x multiple of their size, not "paying their fair share?" 

[vogue65]

A day earlier, in Idaho, heavily armed white terrorists stormed the state capitol and forced their way past police into the chambers. Heavily armed white men. The police reaction? Ah, let them do it, we don't want any trouble.

An unarmed black man walks away from police? Police reaction is to empty their gun into the man's back.

THIS IS AMERICA!

Yes, this is America.
Macho punks, the NRA, lack of compliance, now armed to the teeth like Seria, Iraqi, Somolia, Liberia.  We are close to becoming a third world country.  Thanks guys.