NFL Thread 2019-2020

[Pakuni]

Eric Bieniemy not calling plays is a convenient excuse.  If we admit play calling matters, let’s at least assume skin color is still an issue in 2020.  Let’s not kid ourselves, if Bieniemy were white, he’d be hired by now

You might be right. I have no idea. My point has nothing to do with Bieniemy or any particular coach ... just that playcalling duties is a box most owners and GMs want to see checked before hiring a guy as head coach. Not for nothing, either. It shows an ability to make smart (or dumb) decisions in the heat of a game. And it's a bit of a CYA, as well.

Is this where I list all the good coaches who were playcallers?
Kyle Shanahan, Sean McDermott, Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Frank Reich, Mike Zimmer, Bill Belichick, Bruce Arians, Doug Pederson ...

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Honest question, do you think if Joe Judge were African-American and has the same resume, he gets hired?

I would think so.  The main thing I've read about him is that he doesn't take any B.S. and the players respect him.  If you can find a similar review of a black assistant then you begin to have an argument. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I would think so.  The main thing I've read about him is that he doesn't take any B.S. and the players respect him.  If you can find a similar review of a black assistant then you begin to have an argument.

Holy sh*t on the bolded.  Do you really believe those chiches?  They say that crap about any coach.

[Uncle Rico]

You might be right. I have no idea. My point has nothing to do with Bieniemy or any particular coach ... just that playcalling duties is a box most owners and GMs want to see checked before hiring a guy as head coach. Not for nothing, either. It shows an ability to make smart (or dumb) decisions in the heat of a game. And it's a bit of a CYA, as well.

Is this where I list all the good coaches who were playcallers?
Kyle Shanahan, Sean McDermott, Sean McVay, Sean Payton, Frank Reich, Mike Zimmer, Bill Belichick, Bruce Arians, Doug Pederson ...

Frank Reich didn’t call plays under Doug Pederson, he did before that for two years, the same amount of years Eric Bieniemy called plays at Colorado.  Yes, the two are different but Kliff Kingsbury never called plays in the NFL.  Pederson called plays for parts of 11 games his last year in KC.

Many of the guys you listed failed as play callers in different places.

Players and coaches swear by Bieniemy in KC.  Andy Reid’s assistants do pretty good work. 

[Pakuni]

Frank Reich didn’t call plays under Doug Pederson, he did before that for two years, the same amount of years Eric Bieniemy called plays at Colorado.  Yes, the two are different but Kliff Kingsbury never called plays in the NFL.  Pederson called plays for parts of 11 games his last year in KC.

Many of the guys you listed failed as play callers in different places.

Players and coaches swear by Bieniemy in KC.  Andy Reid’s assistants do pretty good work.

With Bienemy calling plays, Colorado finished 109th and 120th in the nation in total offense. So, I'm not really sure you want to go there to make the case for him.
But again, I'm not sure I get your point here. Does every former playcaller become a great NFL coach? Obviously not. That doesn't make playcalling experience irrelevant. It's not a requisite, but it's silly to argue there's no logic behind wanting that experience before hiring a guy as a head coach. Fact is, of the 14 coaches who've won a Super Bowl since 2000, 12 have playcalling experience.

Rico: Andy Reid's assistants do pretty good work.
Also Rico: Pat Shurmur sucks.

[Uncle Rico]

With Bienemy calling plays, Colorado finished 109th and 120th in the nation in total offense. So, I'm not really sure you want to go there to make the case for him.
But again, I'm not sure I get your point here. Does every former playcaller become a great NFL coach? Obviously not. That doesn't make playcalling experience irrelevant. It's not a requisite, but it's silly to argue there's no logic behind wanting that experience before hiring a guy as a head coach. Fact is, of the 14 coaches who've won a Super Bowl since 2000, 12 have playcalling experience.

Rico: Andy Reid's assistants do pretty good work.
Also Rico: Pat Shurmur sucks.

Mike McCarthy ran the NFL’s worst offense and got hired as a head coach the next year.  Kliff Kingsbury was 35-40 in college as a coach.  Eric Bieniemy having two bad offenses isn’t a disqualifier. 

My point with the Andy Reid coaching tree is this, it’s been more successful than Bill Belichick’s, yet Joe Judge who hasn’t run an offense or defense gets a job.

[JWags85]

Rico: Andy Reid's assistants do pretty good work.
Also Rico: Pat Shurmur sucks.

Harbaugh, Rivera, Pederson, Sean McDermott, Childress was good before he imploded, Nagy 1 great 1 awful.

Interestingly enough, with the exception of Shurmur, the offensive guys under Reid that became HCs  have all fared pretty well.  Honestly, not talking Cleveland, but I think Shurmur got a raw deal in NY.  He didn't have a roster worthy of winning even 7-8 games.  A stellar workhorse RB (which has not predicted success as of late), an aging QB and raw QB, and not much else.  0 Pro Bowlers.  Even the Redskins had multiple and the Bengals had one.

[GB Warrior]

Holy sh*t on the bolded.  Do you really believe those chiches?  They say that crap about any coach.

Hey, did you see how he held Tyreek Hill accountable?!?

[DegenerateDish]

Harbaugh, Rivera, Pederson, Sean McDermott, Childress was good before he imploded, Nagy 1 great 1 awful.

Interestingly enough, with the exception of Shurmur, the offensive guys under Reid that became HCs  have all fared pretty well.  Honestly, not talking Cleveland, but I think Shurmur got a raw deal in NY.  He didn't have a roster worthy of winning even 7-8 games.  A stellar workhorse RB (which has not predicted success as of late), an aging QB and raw QB, and not much else.  0 Pro Bowlers.  Even the Redskins had multiple and the Bengals had one.

I'd disagree on Nagy, 1 ok, 1 awful. There was a lot of "wtf?" games from Nagy in 2018 (first Packer game, Dolphins game, Giants game, Eagles playoff game).

[Jockey]

I'd disagree on Nagy, 1 ok, 1 awful. There was a lot of "wtf?" games from Nagy in 2018 (first Packer game, Dolphins game, Giants game, Eagles playoff game).

Lot of luck in 2018 - most of it defensively. Number of takeaways was really an outlier in 2018 - especially interceptions. Defense was responsible for an awful lot of points.

[jesmu84]

Lot of luck in 2018 - most of it defensively. Number of takeaways was really an outlier in 2018 - especially interceptions. Defense was responsible for an awful lot of points.

Takeaways absolutely an outlier.

But the defense was lucky? #1 in avg yards per play. #1 in points allowed. #3 in yards per game.

Those aren't "lucky" stats.

Playing an easy schedule was a big chunk. But the defense was good last year.

[Jockey]

Takeaways absolutely an outlier.

But the defense was lucky? #1 in avg yards per play. #1 in points allowed. #3 in yards per game.

Those aren't "lucky" stats.

Playing an easy schedule was a big chunk. But the defense was good last year.

I think my post was pretty clear. The "luck" was the number of takeaways - not the basic defensive play.

[Pakuni]

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Wow, Mike really took to living in Wisconsin

[GB Warrior]

Wow, Mike really took to living in Wisconsin

Guess investing in a regulation basketball court at his house didn't have the ROI he expected

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Guess investing in a regulation basketball court at his house didn't have the ROI he expected

Well..... when you fill with a massage bed and a buffet, the results become skewed.

[wadesworld]

https://mobile.twitter.com/247KevinBoilard/status/1201742228797964288?s=09

I hope Marquette basketball can play with the same unwavering language (wtf?) as this QB from “a whole pack of Badgers.”

Phony.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Mike looks like he got some hair plugs too.

[Cheeks]

Mike looks like he got some hair plugs too.

His brother died of a heart attack at age 47.  Mike needs to get in shape (so do I)...he is carrying way too much weight and just walked into a pressure cooker of a job with national press coverage like he has never experienced before.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

His brother died of a heart attack at age 47.  Mike needs to get in shape (so do I)...he is carrying way too much weight and just walked into a pressure cooker of a job with national press coverage like he has never experienced before.

[4everwarriors]

His brother died of a heart attack at age 47.  Mike needs to get in shape (so do I)...he is carrying way too much weight and just walked into a pressure cooker of a job with national press coverage like he has never experienced before.

Definately gotta goe grain-free, aina?

[copious1218]

Any picks for this weekend?  I'm going with the home teams in all 4 although I think Houston or Seattle would be the most likely upsets to happen.

[MUBBau]

Rodgers is 0-5 all time in the playoffs against the NFC West. He will likely have to go 2-0 against them this year to reach the Super Bowl.

[hairy worthen]

Rodgers is 0-5 all time in the playoffs against the NFC West. He will likely have to go 2-0 against them this year to reach the Super Bowl.

useless stat

[DegenerateDish]

I didn't research this at all, just my thought of Divisional Round history, there will be one upset, one blowout, one OT game, and one 3 point game.

I'm sure I'm wrong about the above. If I was going to go by my inclination, I'd go:

Ravens blowout Titans
Texans beat Chiefs
Vikings/Niners OT
Seahawks/Packers 3 point game (lean is Pack to win)