NFL Thread 2019-2020

[tower912]

Stafford has fractures in his back.    Detroit needs a quarterback.   May as well sign him.    He is magnitudes better than what they have with Stafford out. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Saturday's Kaepernick "tryout" looks like a pretty brazen, pathetic PR stunt by the NFL.

I hope I'm wrong and he gets a legit shot, but I doubt it.

I just don't understand why the NFL would do this now.  Kaepernick is largely out of the headlines, so why would you stage and promote a tryout on a Saturday during the middle of the season?  Especially when things seem to be going well for the League right now?  Now he's back with all the PR baggage that entails.  I don't get it.

[MU82]

I just don't understand why the NFL would do this now.  Kaepernick is largely out of the headlines, so why would you stage and promote a tryout on a Saturday during the middle of the season?  Especially when things seem to be going well for the League right now?  Now he's back with all the PR baggage that entails.  I don't get it.

Maybe they see it as a win-win? If he blows everybody away at his tryout, somebody signs him and they say, "See, we're woke!" If he sucks, they say, "See, he can't play anyway." And if others claim he did well but still wasn't signed, they say, "But at least our teams know what to expect now in case one wants to sign him."

I agree that the timing is very strange, and I agree with those who say it looks like some kind of weird PR stunt.

[GB Warrior]

Maybe they figure Trump won't be interested because he's distracted by the impeachment inquiry. The Trumpian version of the 5 pm Friday news dump

[JWags85]

Maybe they see it as a win-win? If he blows everybody away at his tryout, somebody signs him and they say, "See, we're woke!" If he sucks, they say, "See, he can't play anyway." And if others claim he did well but still wasn't signed, they say, "But at least our teams know what to expect now in case one wants to sign him."

I agree that the timing is very strange, and I agree with those who say it looks like some kind of weird PR stunt.

Its classic NFL ham-fisted bad PR.  Release something, then don't control the details coming out that make them look bad, then make it a he said, she said issue.  Its just all a mess.

The most logical take I saw was that it was arranged by a team, likely on a bye week, that wanted a look at Kap without having to deal with blowback from the announcement of a tryout.  Its one thing to deal with it when you sign him, but another before you even know what you may have.  I think its dumb, but I can see the logic in it.

[wadesworld]

Its classic NFL ham-fisted bad PR.  Release something, then don't control the details coming out that make them look bad, then make it a he said, she said issue.  Its just all a mess.

The most logical take I saw was that it was arranged by a team, likely on a bye week, that wanted a look at Kap without having to deal with blowback from the announcement of a tryout.  Its one thing to deal with it when you sign him, but another before you even know what you may have.  I think its dumb, but I can see the logic in it.

Packers going for Kaep so he can't burn them in the Playoffs.

[Pakuni]

FWIW, NFL now says 11 teams have committed to attend Kaepernick's workout - Arizona, Atlanta, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, Miami, New England, Jets, Giants, Tampa Bay and Washington.

[Cheeks]

Maybe they figure Trump won't be interested because he's distracted by the impeachment inquiry. The Trumpian version of the 5 pm Friday news dump

You got your plug in again...congrats

[Pakuni]

Myles Garrett should be done for the year.
What a piece of excrement.

[forgetful]

Myles Garrett should be done for the year.
What a piece of excrement.

Agreed, at least the year.

Pouncey needs to be suspended for a few too. I know he was defending a teammate. But kicking a guy in the head when on the ground is over the top.

Rudolph should've actually be kicked out of this game too, for trying to rip off Garrett's helmet.

[Pakuni]

Agreed, at least the year.

Pouncey needs to be suspended for a few too. I know he was defending a teammate. But kicking a guy in the head when on the ground is over the top.

He'll get a suspension, but there were exceptional mitigating circumstances there.

[DegenerateDish]

Garrett should be suspended the rest of the season.

[forgetful]

He'll get a suspension, but there were exceptional mitigating circumstances there.

You are right. A one game suspension would be plenty to get the point across re. Pouncey.

Garrett though, done for at least the year. That was terrible.

[DegenerateDish]

I was surprised Rudolph seemed unfazed by that helmet hit.

I'll also say that once Rudolph's helmet came off, he should have gotten out of there. I thought once that fight started, Rudolph would get hit by someone with a helmet in the course of the fight, but obviously not that way.

[Jockey]

You are right. A one game suspension would be plenty to get the point across re. Pouncey.

Garrett though, done for at least the year. That was terrible.

Huh....

Garrett AND Pouncey should be done for the year.

[Pakuni]

Huh....

Garrett AND Pouncey should be done for the year.

Nah. Pouncey was acting under extreme provocation and his actions, while severe, weren't close to as dangerous as Garrett's.
Punching a guy in the facemask and taking a kick at his helmet is hardly comparable.

Garrett literally could have killed Rudolph. What Pouncey did never posed a threat of serious harm to Garrett. Equal punishment here would be a joke.

[forgetful]

Huh....

Garrett AND Pouncey should be done for the year.

Regarding Pouncey, I can see it both ways.

In a vacuum. Anyone that attacked a player like he did, repeatedly punching then kicking a downed player, should be done for multiple games/the year.

But Pakuni has a point regarding the mitigating circumstances. Maybe a game or two given the mitigating circumstances. I think it should be longer, but understand why it may be shorter than I'd normally expect.

Garrett's is infinitely clear. Done for the year. Honestly, he should be charged with assault and thrown in jail.

[MU82]

Nah. Pouncey was acting under extreme provocation and his actions, while severe, weren't close to as dangerous as Garrett's.
Punching a guy in the facemask and taking a kick at his helmet is hardly comparable.

Garrett literally could have killed Rudolph. What Pouncey did never posed a threat of serious harm to Garrett. Equal punishment here would be a joke.

Agreed.

Garrett just faced reporters and he was contrite, but more for how it affected the Browns. He also called it "an accident."

He needs to be gone for the rest of the season, minimum. Maybe some of next season, too.

Pouncey? Maybe 2 games.

[Billy Hoyle]

Agreed.

Garrett just faced reporters and he was contrite, but more for how it affected the Browns. He also called it "an accident."

He needs to be gone for the rest of the season, minimum. Maybe some of next season, too.

Pouncey? Maybe 2 games.

Burfict got 12 games. He’s a ridiculously dirty player but has never done anything this bad. 16 for Garrett is fair.

[CreightonWarrior]

The browns will always be the browns.

[StillAWarrior]

Funny, just Wednesday night when my son and I were talking about the game and about the Browns' playoff chances going forward (because of a very easy schedule), I commented, "well at least Garrett seems to have calmed down and gotten his crap together."  Yeah...about that.

Honestly, he should be charged with assault and thrown in jail.

In this regard, he may be fortunate that it happened in Cleveland.  A local prosecutor is less likely to take a stand to make a name for him/herself than someone in Pittsburgh would have been.  But it'd probably be unlikely anywhere.

Burfict got 12 games. He’s a ridiculously dirty player but has never done anything this bad. 16 for Garrett is fair.

I also think Garrett's is worse, but I'd be a bit surprised if he gets a longer suspension than Burfict.  The league made it clear that Burfict's suspension was largely because he had so many prior suspensions.  That said, placing the two incidents side by side, I think Garrett's is unquestionably worse.  And that's coming from someone who thought Burfict's was really bad and absolutely warranted the suspension it received.

But I'm a Browns fan.  It might just be wishful thinking that it'll only be the remainder of the season.  I really was hoping that he had things under control.

[jsglow]

Honestly, I just saw the clip and don't yet know the entire backstory.  But it is fair to think that when you beat a defenseless guy upside his head with his own helmet that criminal charges might be in play?  Holy crap already.

Edit: Okay, watched some more.  While the kicking was out of line, those O lineman had a duty to take Garrett out in whatever way was necessary including punches, etc.  There was no other line of defense at that moment.  Their QB had just been assaulted.  And yes, criminal charges are in order.  If that happened in a bar fight Garrett would be in cuffs and going to jail.  Guaranteed.

[MU82]

While the two Steelers linemen were whupping Garrett, a second Browns player, 305-pound lineman Larry Ogunjobi, shoved Rudolph to the ground. At the time, Rudolph was not in the altercation involving Garrett and the two Pittsburgh linemen, was just standing there defenseless, without a helmet (obviously) and had his back to Ogunjobi.

Ogunjobi deserves a game or two suspension as well ... though maybe that was "an accident," too.

[jsglow]

This ain't going to go well for the Cleveland football Browns.

[StillAWarrior]

I think if he gets a suspension for the remainder of the season -- which would be the longest suspension ever for a single on-field action -- the NFLPA would "go through the motions" and oppose it.  But they wouldn't fight too hard, and I doubt the NFL would relent.  If they suspend him into next year, I think the union might actually fight that for real.