Crean wish he had stayed and buzz was not the one.

[Bad_Reporter]

I'm a long time poster/reader. My email was compromised so I couldn't get my temporary password so I had to make a new account.  No im not chicos, cheesy, etc.

I wanted to share a story from today. I was flying a big 10 athletic director today.  I went to meet him in the fbo and he struck up a conversation with me.  I told him I went to MU and then he decided to talk my ear off.

He gave me his opinion on MU's current direction and past.

Wojo:  great fit for MU,  he's very close with Steve and feels he's the perfect fit.  Wojo has told him a couple times that he feels privelaged to be the "keeper" of MU men's basketball. 

Crean:  he's very close with tom and his family.  He said tom has said repeatedly that he wishes he didn't leave MU and is still very fond of MU and loves Marquette. He said tom stated that "the grass isn't always greener"

Buzz:  was a bad fit.  Didn't represent MU as Marquette should be represented.  He had a few successful seasons but wouldn't have been able to sustain success.  "There's a reason buzz wasn't at the 100 year MU celebration"

Overall he was very high on MU and thought wojo was a perfect fit.  I didn't ask this guy on his opinions, he just shared his thoughts with me. 

Take from that what you will. Just thought I'd share.

Let the "crean sucks" comments start.

[4everwarriors]

Let the "crean sucks" comments start.



No question, ai na?

[jesmu84]

Thanks for the info, pilot!

I do find it interesting that a Big 10/12/whatever AD would have that much close, personal contact with MU's last 3 bball coaches. Though, I suppose he would have some insight on Crean being at IU after.

[Bad_Reporter]

Thanks for the info, pilot!

I do find it interesting that a Big 10/12/whatever AD would have that much close, personal contact with MU's last 3 bball coaches. Though, I suppose he would have some insight on Crean being at IU after.

No problem!

I wish I had the scoop the daddy has, but unfortunately I'm not that connected.

If you and chick think about it, I'm sure you could figure out which AD it was. 

[real chili 83]

No problem!

I wish I had the scoop the daddy has, but unfortunately I'm not that connected.

If you and chick think about it, I'm sure you could figure out which AD it was. 

Chick and Glow must have split.

[Lennys Tap]

If you and chick think about it, I'm sure you could figure out which AD it was. 

When did Larry Williams get a Big 10 AD gig?

[4everwarriors]

Barry’s chasin’ tail and duzn’t have tyme ta fly, ai na?

[tower912]

There was a little hint of regret from Crean at the 100  year coaches talk.  And while I believe that Buzz coaches rings around Crean, it ultimately was not a good long term match.  Blame on both sides.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Crean sucks!!

[GGGG]

Crean sucks!!

He must be the second coming of John Wooden given this poster's track record.

[The Lens]

Buzz was Al 2.0 yet everyone wants to paint him as a bad fit. 

[tower912]

Buzz was Al 2.0 yet everyone wants to paint him as a bad fit.

From a coaching and personality standpoint, yes.  But he and admin were not in sync.

[Warrior of Law]

I think that analysis is right on. Crean needed to see what life was like at the top of the mountain.  Buzz was the right person when Crean left.  He kept intact the roster, and the team was very successful.  When it was time to leave, he left.  The transition to Wojo being successful has been longer than anyone wants, but definitely the right move.  The program is better off with the contributions of Crean, Buzz and Wojo.

[jsglow]

No problem!

I wish I had the scoop the daddy has, but unfortunately I'm not that connected.

If you and chick think about it, I'm sure you could figure out which AD it was. 

   jesmu84!!!!???????   

[Bad_Reporter]

  jesmu84!!!!???????   

$***!  Sorry glow!  Wrong guy!  I was just tryna prove I've been on this board for a long time and I'm not cheesy or some other newbie with "sources"

[#UnleashSean]

I see me and chick remain undetected 

[warriorchick]

I see me and chick remain undetected 

I would never get involved with a guy with such poor grammar.

[jsglow]

I see me and chick remain undetected 

Now THAT was well played!   

[jesmu84]

  jesmu84!!!!???????   

[Babybluejeans]

Hahaha. So to summarize:

1) a vague story about talking to someone "high up"
2) a claim that Wojo is the savior and a Crean handjob to boot
3) Buzz is bad
4) A claimed "long time poster" that specifically isn't Chicos, sweartogod (but doesn't say who he is, even though we'd all recognize the long-time poster's name if he gave it)

No way this convo happened and we've seen this movie before. Hi Cheeks!

[Dr. Blackheart]

He must be the second coming of John Wooden given this poster's track record.

Crean signed Luke the first time so he must really suck, aina? (Had to work aina in, aina?)

[rocket surgeon]

TC was using us to get back in to the big 10 or whatever so he could become a legend like his buddy izzo.  not sure if he marked all the fire hydrants around bloomington yet, but the big 10 was going to be his domain somewhere...whoever had the best tanning beds wins

[muguru]

MU's currently slide into essentially irrelevancy, and the reason the drop was so sudden and so far was NOT Buzz. Many of you will blame him, but the problem was hiring Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarsz. Two of the worst decisions the University has ever made. I hope whoever was the "point man" behind those hires(I know entire BOT voted in favor) has trouble sleeping at night seeing  how those bad decisions have really hurt the BB program.

Those two never get hired, Buzz may still be here. That's where the entire problem was..NOT Buzz.

[Galway Eagle]

MU's currently slide into essentially irrelevancy, and the reason the drop was so sudden and so far was NOT Buzz. Many of you will blame him, but the problem was hiring Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarsz. Two of the worst decisions the University has ever made. I hope whoever was the "point man" behind those hires(I know entire BOT voted in favor) has trouble sleeping at night seeing  how those bad decisions have really hurt the BB program.

Those two never get hired, Buzz may still be here. That's where the entire problem was..NOT Buzz.

Buzz sucked his last year. Or are you part of the crowd that blames wojo for that? Buzz was bad at developing high school talent and let wayyyy too much shady stuff slide from minor recruiting violations to assault to gang rape. He had no loyalty to the school consistently played the “will I leave” card to milk the University dry for more money. Your acceptance of things is extremely disturbing

[MUBigDance]

I don’t want to rehash those accusations against Buzz but they’re serious and I’ve never seen proof. In general I sense the university needs to change how it protects the young women who go there.

Buzz himself I credit for giving us some real highlights and success that many other programs rarely see. With hindsight though it’s pretty obvious that he isn’t the stable personality to lead MU b-ball for a decade or more.

Wojo, in comparison does seem to be that guy. My only misgiving is when K leaves, who will they pick among the stable of acolytes to replace?? Wojo makes his case very year ( not consciously but with success).

[burger]

Crean needs friends.....

Needs a perfect fit.....Because he is far from perfect.....

Crean needs a program that needs him as much.....

DePaul and Crean would be a good fit......But neither would go there.....

[Hards Alumni]

I don’t want to rehash those accusations against Buzz but they’re serious and I’ve never seen proof. In general I sense the university needs to change how it protects the young women who go there.

Buzz himself I credit for giving us some real highlights and success that many other programs rarely see. With hindsight though it’s pretty obvious that he isn’t the stable personality to lead MU b-ball for a decade or more.

Wojo, in comparison does seem to be that guy. My only misgiving is when K leaves, who will they pick among the stable of acolytes to replace?? Wojo makes his case very year ( not consciously but with success).

Wojo would need some serious post season success to get himself that Duke job when K is done.  They will have to be EXTREMELY careful with their next hire, or they may fall into irrelevance quickly.  May not even come down to hiring a "Duke guy" when all is said and done.

[warriorchick]

MU's currently slide into essentially irrelevancy, and the reason the drop was so sudden and so far was NOT Buzz. Many of you will blame him, but the problem was hiring Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarsz. Two of the worst decisions the University has ever made. I hope whoever was the "point man" behind those hires(I know entire BOT voted in favor) has trouble sleeping at night seeing  how those bad decisions have really hurt the BB program.

Those two never get hired, Buzz may still be here. That's where the entire problem was..NOT Buzz.

I am sure they sleep just fine, and not simply because the basketball team is not the BOT's first priority, and in the long run it worked out for the best.  We would have never gotten Lovell, or possibly even Scholl, when those positions first opened up because the timing wasn't right.

[Warrior of Law]

Eventually, everyone found the right water level based on their abilities:

Pilarz: Univ of Scranton President
Williams: Akron Zips AD

A few growing pains for everyone, but the current leadership at MU is trustworthy and solid.

[Bocephys]

Eventually, everyone found the right water level based on their abilities:

Pilarz: Univ of Scranton President
Williams: Akron Zips AD

A few growing pains for everyone, but the current leadership at MU is trustworthy and solid.

Glad to see Buzz found a landing spot, but weird to think of him with a desk job as an AD.

[MU82]

Hahaha. So to summarize:

1) a vague story about talking to someone "high up"
2) a claim that Wojo is the savior and a Crean handjob to boot
3) Buzz is bad
4) A claimed "long time poster" that specifically isn't Chicos, sweartogod (but doesn't say who he is, even though we'd all recognize the long-time poster's name if he gave it)

No way this convo happened and we've seen this movie before. Hi Cheeks!

Yep yep!

Unless this poster is Roy Moore or Harvey Weinstein - or chicos or Ners - there is absolutely no reason to hide his or her former identity.

I'll believe this isn't chicos when he/she proves he/she isn't chicos.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yep yep!

Unless this poster is Roy Moore or Harvey Weinstein - or chicos or Ners - there is absolutely no reason to hide his or her former identity.

I'll believe this isn't chicos when he/she proves he/she isn't chicos.

I believe that it isn't Chicos simply because Chicos would never miss an opportunity to name-drop.

[Hards Alumni]

I believe that it isn't Chicos simply because Chicos would never miss an opportunity to name-drop.

[tower912]

Yup, not narcissistic enough.   Or condescending. 

[warriorchick]

Yup, not narcissistic enough.   Or condescending.

Not sure why the OP would choose not to identify himself if the only reason he has a new username is that he couldn't remember his password.

[Dr. Blackheart]

MU is the high water mark for these ex-coaches. Surprise.

Buzz declining his 100 Year invite was his own choice. Buzz then having his own MU reunion was his bi-polarness.

Crean finding his humility appears to be genuine. Let’s hope it sticks. MU looks to be his only welcoming island.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Wasn't keefe a pilot? or is that just a diversionary tatcic to throw us of Chicos' trail?

[mu_hilltopper]

4) A claimed "long time poster" that specifically isn't Chicos, sweartogod (but doesn't say who he is, even though we'd all recognize the long-time poster's name if he gave it)

No way this convo happened and we've seen this movie before. Hi Cheeks!

If I had a nickle for every time someone got their Chicos accusation wrong, I could buy many, many Arby's Beef and Cheddars.

MUPilot is MUPilot.

[Herman Cain]

Mike Deans Dark Glasses

[warriorchick]

Wasn't keefe a pilot? or is that just a diversionary tatcic to throw us of Chicos' trail?

Not convinced it's keefe. Not his style of writing, and not nearly pompous enough.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I don't understand this site sometimes.  If you were a longtime poster who had to change his/her name, why wouldn't you just say what your former name was?  I don't get the secret.

[Jockey]

Yep yep!

Unless this poster is Roy Moore or Harvey Weinstein - or chicos or Ners - there is absolutely no reason to hide his or her former identity.

I'll believe this isn't chicos when he/she proves he/she isn't chicos.

Bravo.. I read the opening post and thought "Why is this guy hiding who he is?" and "What's his agenda?" I see you had the same thought.

When my former account - brandx - got screwed up and I wasn't able to log on anymore, I created a new account and let everyone know who I was so there was no option for deception or dishonesty.

This poster needs to do the same to have any credibility. Deception = lying.

[Bad_Reporter]

Count on scoop to read into s***.  Never said I was hiding my previous name.  Just gave a brief explanation as to why I only have one post.

Previous name is JD.

Thanks topper for confirming.

[GGGG]

I proofread a lot of stuff for a living.  I can pick out the author pretty much instantly.

I never thought this guy was Chicos.  "TYME Machine"?  I'm pretty sure he is.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Let's see: A hated victim, a mysterious witness, a slew of antagonists, a protagonist, a love triangle, and a cyber undercover detective revealing the secrets of the plot. Sounds like "Murder on the Maui Express".

[Galway Eagle]

Count on scoop to read into s***.  Never said I was hiding my previous name.  Just gave a brief explanation as to why I only have one post.

Previous name is JD.

Thanks topper for confirming.

Should’ve really ticked everyone off by saying your name was hoopaloop

[T-Bone]

YoungPhilly

[Dr. Blackheart]

Count on scoop to read into s***.  Never said I was hiding my previous name.  Just gave a brief explanation as to why I only have one post.

Previous name is JD.

Thanks topper for confirming.

"JD", where have I seen those initials before? Do you have a Fred on speed dial?

(Just joshing ya Pilot, appreciate the new info, but the JD reference isn't going to help your case as those are the Cheeks One's)

[MU82]

Count on scoop to read into s***.  Never said I was hiding my previous name.  Just gave a brief explanation as to why I only have one post.

Previous name is JD.

Thanks topper for confirming.

My apologies. Having said that ... a lot of silliness - including from me - could have been avoided if you had just told us that.

I was a little confused because I knew TYME was chicos, and that change was just made a few days ago. I was thinking ... "wow, chicos got banned again fast this time!"

Glad to read your post, JD. I thought it was interesting.

[wadesworld]

YoungPhilly

Lol!

[Loose Cannon]

Well, Inspector Clouseau, is this case Closed?

[MerrittsMustache]

Apologies for getting back on the original topic, but I've actually heard the Crean rumors from multiple "sources" (I use that term loosely) that I know who've worked either with the basketball program or in the athletic office during Crean's tenure. He didn't necessarily want to leave MU but when a program like Indiana offers you the top spot, it's incredibly hard to say no. I don't fault him one iota for taking the IU job. I also absolutely believe that in hindsight, he wishes he had stayed at MU...and not just because he's currently out of coaching!

[Bad_Reporter]

No harm, no foul gents.

Just wanted to share what this AD said.

[Goose]

Crean left because he wanted to leave. In addition, he was getting heat from Strong for lack of success the last couple of seasons. He sent feelers out to schools the year before leaving. He might have remorse now, but he wanted to get out of here at the time of his departure.

[avid1010]

Apologies for getting back on the original topic, but I've actually heard the Crean rumors from multiple "sources" (I use that term loosely) that I know who've worked either with the basketball program or in the athletic office during Crean's tenure. He didn't necessarily want to leave MU but when a program like Indiana offers you the top spot, it's incredibly hard to say no. I don't fault him one iota for taking the IU job. I also absolutely believe that in hindsight, he wishes he had stayed at MU...and not just because he's currently out of coaching!

Nah...was personally at a few donor functions where people were pissed about his actions actively trying to leave....illinois being the worst.

[Goose]

Avid

You are correct on his active efforts to leave. He took some heat after Stanford loss and began actively looking to leave. He took some heat and tried to cut his losses.

[rocket surgeon]

If I had a nickle for every time someone got their Chicos accusation wrong, I could buy many, many Arby's Beef and Cheddars.

MUPilot is MUPilot.

my cholesterol is starting to redline and i'm starting a diet tomorrow, with a break on thursday of course

[bobnoxious]

Mike Deans Dark Glasses

Deane is as connected as cheesy, assuming he leaves his mothers basement every so often

[warriorchick]

my cholesterol is starting to redline and i'm starting a diet tomorrow, with a break on thursday of course

Who starts a diet the Tuesday before Thanksgiving?

[Dawson Rental]

Thanks for the info, pilot!

I do find it interesting that a Big 10/12/whatever AD would have that much close, personal contact with MU's last 3 bball coaches. Though, I suppose he would have some insight on Crean being at IU after.

Original post doesn't indicate any close, personal contact between the AD and Buzz, just that the AD had an opinion regarding the Buzz/MU lack of fit.

[real chili 83]

I'm Chicos

[rocket surgeon]

Who starts a diet the Tuesday before Thanksgiving?

if you noted, i was concurring with hilltopper on all the nickels i've had/spent on arby's roast beef n cheddars from all the WRONG accusations of chicos sightings-the derrangement here on him has driven me to arby's  and chocolate;)

[wadesworld]

if you noted, i was concurring with hilltopper on all the nickels i've had/spent on arby's roast beef n cheddars from all the WRONG accusations of chicos sightings-the derrangement here on him has driven me to arby's  and chocolate;)

Yet there’s only one person to blame for it, in all reality.

[tower912]

I'm Chicos

No, I am Chico's.

[4everwarriors]

my cholesterol is starting to redline and i'm starting a diet tomorrow, with a break on thursday of course

Maybe read Grain Brain, kin, hey?

[mu_hilltopper]

Hmm, multiple Chicoses.  Let me warm up the ban hammer.

[MerrittsMustache]

[#TheThing]

I'm a long time poster/reader. My email was compromised so I couldn't get my temporary password so I had to make a new account.  No im not chicos, cheesy, etc.

I wanted to share a story from today. I was flying a big 10 athletic director today.  I went to meet him in the fbo and he struck up a conversation with me.  I told him I went to MU and then he decided to talk my ear off.

MSU's AD?


And Dodds is a pilot?  Thought he was a financial adviser. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

MSU's AD?


And Dodds is a pilot?  Thought he was a financial adviser.

Dodds is an insurance salesman, huge difference.

I am Negan!

[79Warrior]

Avid

You are correct on his active efforts to leave. He took some heat after Stanford loss and began actively looking to leave. He took some heat and tried to cut his losses.

I was at that game. What a brutal loss. The Lopez shot with the ball circling the rim seemed like an eternity.

[Goose]

79 Warrior

Unfortunately for Crean, Dick Strong was at that game as well. Loss did not sit well with him.

[Newsdreams]

I'm Chicos

So I’m Hoopaloop then? We’ve had beers.

[#TheThing]

Dodds is an insurance salesman, huge difference.

I am Negan!

My understanding was financial adviser, which includes insurance and other instruments.

http://financial-advisors.credio.com/l/134754/John-Dodds

[rocket surgeon]

Maybe read Grain Brain, kin, hey?

  carnivores delight-pa-pa-pass the metamucil, 'ey?