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Will Cliff Alexander "Derek Rose" Kansas?
« on: March 01, 2014, 08:04:04 AM »
As the articles below say, 7 of Curie's players had a GPA below 2.  No word if one of them was Kansas Bound Cliff Alexander (nation's no. 3 player).  This is a poor Chicago public school so, yes, go ahead and stereotype what it takes (or lack of what it takes) to get below a 2 GPA at Curie.  Hint, don't confuse Curie's academic standards with Northside Prep or a large well to do Suburb school, at those place you have to work a lot harder to get a 2 GPA.

Recall what happened to Derek Rose at Simeon (STj's HS), he had grade problems that were magically changed on Simeon's  computer system and someone using a fake ID took his SAT.  When this came to light, Memphis (and Calipari) had to vacate its 38 win season in 2008 because Rose was Ineligible.

Their are still a lot of people mad at Alexander for the "hat stunt" at his presser to announce his school.  Recall he picked up the Illinois hat smiled, put it back and picked up the Kansas hat.  Many thought this was an "in your face" move by Alexander against Illinois.

Also recall that a lot of Illinois fans are still simmering about Bill Self leaving Champaign for Kansas in 2003.

Illinois faithful and Alumni number in the tens of thousands in Chicago.  How many of them are motivated enough to find out if Alexander really is eligible, and if not, sit on it until that right moment to make it public to blow up Alexander, Bill Self and Kansas?  Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Just a thought

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Chicago Sun-Times
February 28, 2014

Curie forfeits all wins including CPS title

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/25901547-452/curie-forfeits-all-wins-including-cps-title.html

Curie, the No. 1-ranked basketball team in the state and No. 2 in the country, according to USA Today, was stripped of its 24 victories and the city championship Friday.

A Chicago Public Schools investigation revealed that seven players had been ineligible since the beginning of the season. CPS said that the players would have been eligible if the proper forms were filed with the CPS office.

“Students whose GPAs fall below 2.0 are ineligible except when they have signed and certified ISP [Independent Study Program] forms,” CPS representative Joel Hood said. “In this particular case, they did not have the ISPs on file. We believe that this is a case of the adults letting the students down.”

The players weren’t named, and CPS won’t name a city champion this season. CPS said Curie is eligible to compete in the state tournament, which begins Monday, because the Illinois High School Association and CPS have different eligibility requirements. The IHSA wouldn’t confirm that Curie would be allowed to play in the state tournament. Curie’s first game is scheduled for Tuesday.

“We are unable to make an official comment until reviewing the final report from the CPS athletic administration on the investigation,” IHSA executive director Marty Hickman said in a statement. “We hope to be in a position to do so by Monday.”

Condors coach Mike Oliver will be suspended for an amount of time to be determined by CPS CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett.

An anonymous phone call to CPS triggered the investigation hours before Curie was scheduled to play Young for the city title Feb. 21 in a game broadcast live on ESPN3.com.

CPS officials’ initial probe uncovered enough eligibility issues to delay Curie’s arrival at Chicago State, site of the title game. The team bus left Curie several hours behind schedule, and the game began 30 minutes late. The decision to let Curie play was a practical one — the arena was full and a live broadcast crew was waiting.

The four-overtime game was an all-time classic featuring Chicago’s best big men in a generation, Young’s Jahlil Okafor and Curie’s Cliff Alexander. The highlights led the late edition of “SportsCenter.”

Rumors about the investigation floated around the city all day Saturday. On Sunday evening, CPS confirmed to the Sun-Times that an investigation was under way. The inquiry dragged on all week. For three days, CPS representatives claimed the investigation was drawing to a close, but there was no announcement until Friday evening.

“I feel bad for the kids, the school, the entire program,” Young coach Tyrone Slaughter said. “Mike [Oliver] is a good man. This is scathing.”

“I’m glad they didn’t award it to us. We lost the ballgame on the court. We didn’t want it. We would not accept it if they did award it to us because we did not win the game.”

According to CPS rules, teams are required to exchange eligibility sheets before every game. The eligibility sheet lists all of the players who are eligible to play in that game. The rule is rarely followed or enforced. CPS said that Curie’s seven ineligible players wouldn’t have appeared as eligible on any of Curie’s eligibility sheets this season.

Oliver and Slaughter both said they didn’t exchange eligibility sheets before the title game. Other prominent CPS coaches have said that the eligibility sheet exchange simply never happens once a team reaches the elite eight of the Public League playoffs, that the teams trust their opponents to only play eligible players.

“Whatever happens happens, but years from now when my son has a child, the stories we will tell will be about how Curie, the underdog, beat Young,” Crystal Robinson, the mother of Curie’s Keenan Robinson, said Wednesday. “They will always have those moments on the court.”

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Chicago Sun-Times
March 1, 2014

We know who failed at Curie
By Rick Telander

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/25906935-452/we-know-who-failed-at-curie.html


You want to blame the kids?

I don’t. How can anybody blame them?

Sure, center Cliff Alexander may look like a man and play basketball like a man. At 6-9, 240, he’s bigger than almost any man anywhere.

But he’s 18, a senior at Curie High School, and last time anybody looked, Alexander doesn’t do the paperwork for his school, his basketball team or his coach, Mike Oliver. Nor does he set the Chicago Public Schools eligibility rules, grade-point requirements, classroom schedules or tournament matchups.

So let’s not blame him or any of the Curie players who are now part of one of the most embarrassing moments in CPS boys basketball history. And that’s saying something, since the city’s hardwoods have seen some pitiful messes through the years.

After playing perhaps the most memorable and thrilling game in Chicago high school championship history, squeaking out a quadruple-overtime, 69-66 win over Whitney Young on Feb. 21, Curie got to celebrate for just one week before the roof caved in. On Friday, CPS authorities stripped Curie of the crown — the school’s first city title in history — and took away all 24 of the team’s wins this season.

A CPS investigation, which came after administrators received an anonymous phone call just before the title game, showed Curie had been playing with seven ineligible players all year.

Now, eligibility is a weird thing in the CPS, where players seem to come and go depending on which coach or AAU mentor gets their ear and promises great things at this or that school. But if you have below a 2.0 GPA, you’re not supposed to be able to play sports unless — and this is a great unless — you have joined the Independent Study Program and have signed notices stating as much.

Those notices are supposed to be exchanged by both coaches before each game, but Curie’s Oliver apparently never had any or had exchanged any this entire season.

Hmm. Wonder why.

At any rate, a thrilling sports moment — with No.  2 nationally ranked Curie and Kansas-bound Alexander taking on a powerhouse Young team led by Duke-bound center Jahlil Okafor — became just another ugly zit on CPS’s pockmarked hoops face. That the championship game even went off is sad, showing that the powers-that-be care more about entertainment and showdowns than education or rules. Of course, hoops junkie Mayor Rahm Emanuel was in the large crowd at Chicago State’s Jacoby Dickens Center, and ESPN3 cameras were set up, and who can let such titans down?

Now, unbelievably, the Illinois High School Association, which determines the rules for the state tournament, may allow Curie —which has no wins, remember, and as of a day ago had seven ineligible players — to play in the tourney. It starts Monday.

It’s all nuts. And, as noted, sad.

Mostly that’s what it is.

Chicago’s public schools are wracked by the violence in neighborhoods around them, the constant cutting of funds, the anger of teachers who feel overburdened and underloved, parents who often feel uninvolved or helpless and statistics that show the future failure of male students is almost guaranteed.

Some of the worst blemishes of the past — perhaps starting with the killing of Simeon superstar Ben Wilson in 1984 and continuing through the depressing tales of King’s Leon Smith and even Eddy Curry from Harvey’s Thornwood High School — seem to add to the sense of depression that follows too many on-court displays of grace and magic.

Remember the student shot to death in the parking lot after last year’s Simeon-Morgan Park game? Remember the brawl that broke out between the players as the game ended? Simeon superstar Jabari Parker was there.

Remember how our beloved Bulls guard Derrick Rose had his grades changed via computer while at Simeon? How his dubious college test scores eventually got Memphis’ second-place finish in the 2008 NCAA tourney and all 38 wins that season thrown out?

Education. It would be easy to blame the public school kids for their own failings in that regard.

But those kids go to school because they have to. It’s the adults who teach them all the fine lessons.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 09:35:08 AM »
Jesse Jackson now calling for Curie to be reinstated

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79488422/

By Kate Thayer, Tribune reporter
7:23 pm, March 1, 2014


Supporters of Curie Metro High School basketball players say stripping the team of its Chicago Public League title punishes students when adults dropped the ball.

A day after Chicago Public Schools officials said the team must forfeit all of its victories because seven unnamed players were found to be academically ineligible since the start of the season, a group of Curie parents and players met with the Rev. Jesse Jackson at Rainbow PUSH Coalition headquarters.

They hope a public outcry will convince CPS to reinstate the school's city title and allow its now-suspended coach, Mike Oliver, to lead the Condors in next week's state tournament.

Curie was ordered to forfeit the Public League title Friday – a week after an anonymous tipster alerted CPS to the players' grades just before they boarded a bus to the Feb. 21 city championship game against Whitney Young. Curie beat Young in four overtimes.

Because the players are passing their classes, the team is eligible for the Illinois High School Association Class 4A tournament, which begins Monday. However, Oliver's suspension will keep him from coaching those games.

The parents and other supporters believe the sanctions are punishing the students when adults really are at fault, said community organizer Marcus Betts, a Curie supporter who attended Saturday's meeting at Rainbow PUSH Coalition headquarters.

"Parents and the student-athletes are very disappointed and embarrassed to have the city championship pulled away from them," Betts said. "They're hoping to have it reinstated."

That's Jackson's goal, too.

"The children should not be the fall guy in this arrangement," he said.

Jackson said school officials should have known of the players' academic struggles at the beginning of the season and provided tutoring. According to CPS officials, even with a GPA below 2.0, a player can remain eligible with an individual study plan.

"To come to them a few hours before the biggest game of the year …is wrong," Jackson said. "And then to strip them of their title is punishing them. These kids didn't break any rules. Adults did not do their work."

Despite the last-minute tip regarding the players' academic standing, Curie was allowed to play in the city championship because "there was a great deal of coordination and conversation with the principal, athletic director and coach in determining eligibility, and they were explicit that the players were eligible," CPS spokeswoman Keiana Barrett said Friday.

But after the game, additional information determined some of the players were ineligible, Barrett said.

"We want to help these young men," Jackson said. "They're not in gangs. They're not engaged in violence."

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 09:53:53 AM »
Jesse Jackson now calling for Curie to be reinstated

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79488422/

By Kate Thayer, Tribune reporter
7:23 pm, March 1, 2014


Supporters of Curie Metro High School basketball players say stripping the team of its Chicago Public League title punishes students when adults dropped the ball.

A day after Chicago Public Schools officials said the team must forfeit all of its victories because seven unnamed players were found to be academically ineligible since the start of the season, a group of Curie parents and players met with the Rev. Jesse Jackson at Rainbow PUSH Coalition headquarters.

They hope a public outcry will convince CPS to reinstate the school's city title and allow its now-suspended coach, Mike Oliver, to lead the Condors in next week's state tournament.

Curie was ordered to forfeit the Public League title Friday – a week after an anonymous tipster alerted CPS to the players' grades just before they boarded a bus to the Feb. 21 city championship game against Whitney Young. Curie beat Young in four overtimes.

Because the players are passing their classes, the team is eligible for the Illinois High School Association Class 4A tournament, which begins Monday. However, Oliver's suspension will keep him from coaching those games.

The parents and other supporters believe the sanctions are punishing the students when adults really are at fault, said community organizer Marcus Betts, a Curie supporter who attended Saturday's meeting at Rainbow PUSH Coalition headquarters.

"Parents and the student-athletes are very disappointed and embarrassed to have the city championship pulled away from them," Betts said. "They're hoping to have it reinstated."

That's Jackson's goal, too.

"The children should not be the fall guy in this arrangement," he said.

Jackson said school officials should have known of the players' academic struggles at the beginning of the season and provided tutoring.
According to CPS officials, even with a GPA below 2.0, a player can remain eligible with an individual study plan.

"To come to them a few hours before the biggest game of the year …is wrong," Jackson said. "And then to strip them of their title is punishing them. These kids didn't break any rules. Adults did not do their work."

Despite the last-minute tip regarding the players' academic standing, Curie was allowed to play in the city championship because "there was a great deal of coordination and conversation with the principal, athletic director and coach in determining eligibility, and they were explicit that the players were eligible," CPS spokeswoman Keiana Barrett said Friday.

But after the game, additional information determined some of the players were ineligible, Barrett said.

"We want to help these young men," Jackson said. "They're not in gangs. They're not engaged in violence."

This really irritates me.  The adults aren't at fault.  The kids were getting below a 2.0.  It is not the adults responsibility to hold there hands, let them know they are struggling and then provide tutoring to get them to where they need to be.  These kids are damn near adults they need to learn some personal responsibility.  If you are getting below a 2.0 you knew you were in trouble very early on and should have sought out assistance, not wait for someone to give it to you.

This is a case where the kids are at fault.  In contrast to a case like Buycks where advisors gave him the wrong information…that was a case where the adults failed the kids.

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 10:21:28 AM »
This really irritates me.  The adults aren't at fault.  The kids were getting below a 2.0.  It is not the adults responsibility to hold there hands, let them know they are struggling and then provide tutoring to get them to where they need to be.  These kids are damn near adults they need to learn some personal responsibility.  If you are getting below a 2.0 you knew you were in trouble very early on and should have sought out assistance, not wait for someone to give it to you.

This is a case where the kids are at fault.  In contrast to a case like Buycks where advisors gave him the wrong information…that was a case where the adults failed the kids.

I think the problem is that the parents and community feel that as long as the kids aren't engaged in violence they should be eligible they don't feel they should be held to the same state standards.  Personally I think if the school was indeed providing tutoring then the players shouldn't be eligible. I remember a couple weeks in HS I had to do the study program because I took wayyy too many AP classes my senior year.  One week I didn't turn the paperwork in and ended up suspended same should happen for these players. 
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 02:31:13 AM »
It's too easy to blame the adults.

Reminds me of my dad who was a teacher and basketball coach at his junior high and his principal wanted to make sure his players "were eligible" even though some of them were not cutting it in his Spanish class.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2014, 09:07:22 AM »
Derek Derrick Rose. Derrick

Come on, guy.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 09:50:24 AM »
You cant stereotype this from an economic standpoint. Take Northside from example. I went there and have a very good idea of the type of people that went there. I want to say more then 50% were below the poverty line at Northside. I dont believe that economic standing has anything to do with how smart you are or how hard you work. Its more about family structure. Also some people are really just not smart. I did not study at all at Northside but still got very, very good grades in contrast my sister works her butt off but struggles mightily in a school thats not nearly as good as Northside.

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Derek Derrick Rose. Derrick

Come on, guy.

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 06:48:27 PM »
This really irritates me.  The adults aren't at fault.  The kids were getting below a 2.0.  It is not the adults responsibility to hold there hands, let them know they are struggling and then provide tutoring to get them to where they need to be.  These kids are damn near adults they need to learn some personal responsibility.  If you are getting below a 2.0 you knew you were in trouble very early on and should have sought out assistance, not wait for someone to give it to you.

This is a case where the kids are at fault.  In contrast to a case like Buycks where advisors gave him the wrong information…that was a case where the adults failed the kids.

Couldn't disagree more. These are 16-18 year old kids, many who never had adult supervision at home. Where along the line, were they supposed to learn these things? Who was supposed to teach them - if not the adults?

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Couldn't disagree more. These are 16-18 year old kids, many who never had adult supervision at home. Where along the line, were they supposed to learn these things? Who was supposed to teach them - if not the adults?

They are 16-18 year old kids.  They should be responsible enough.  If they haven't learned it yet, heres the perfect opportunity.  They are ineligible they sit out or if they play they have the title revoked.  Hopefully lessen learned, take care of your responsibilities.  They are YOUR responsibility not others.

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Couldn't disagree more. These are 16-18 year old kids, many who never had adult supervision at home. Where along the line, were they supposed to learn these things? Who was supposed to teach them - if not the adults?

I completely agree. Its not so much an economic issue as it is family structure.

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 01:59:36 AM »
I think it's worth noting about how schools like Evanston, OPRF, Lincoln Park, Northside Prep, etc have a ton of kids below the poverty line and in broken homes (lots well above and in great homes but ignore them right now) and you don't hear about these issues at those schools because the teachers care much more and there are tons of support systems in place.  Why do those kids who often come from very similar neighborhoods to the problemed schools not have the same problems?  I think it's obviously because of the money the other "half" of those schools have invested into the school. 

It's late if any of this doesn't make sense I'll be sure to fix it in the AM but I think yall can get the main point that I'm trying to make. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2014, 09:21:52 AM »
I think it's worth noting about how schools like Evanston, OPRF, Lincoln Park, Northside Prep, etc have a ton of kids below the poverty line and in broken homes (lots well above and in great homes but ignore them right now) and you don't hear about these issues at those schools because the teachers care much more and there are tons of support systems in place.  Why do those kids who often come from very similar neighborhoods to the problemed schools not have the same problems?  I think it's obviously because of the money the other "half" of those schools have invested into the school. 

It's late if any of this doesn't make sense I'll be sure to fix it in the AM but I think yall can get the main point that I'm trying to make. 

May be partly because of the support systems in place, but, for me at least, it always, always comes down to the parents. And if the parents care enough to have their kid bussed to a nice school, then those same parents are probably taking the rest of their duties seriously as well, regardless of the economic situation they are in.

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 10:27:33 AM »
I think it's worth noting about how schools like Evanston, OPRF, Lincoln Park, Northside Prep, etc have a ton of kids below the poverty line and in broken homes (lots well above and in great homes but ignore them right now) and you don't hear about these issues at those schools because the teachers care much more and there are tons of support systems in place.  Why do those kids who often come from very similar neighborhoods to the problemed schools not have the same problems?  I think it's obviously because of the money the other "half" of those schools have invested into the school. 

It's late if any of this doesn't make sense I'll be sure to fix it in the AM but I think yall can get the main point that I'm trying to make. 

I understand completely. Northside asks me for a ton of money all they time but I know CPS gives so much money to that school. To respond to the first half of your post thats what a lot of people dont get. Every single one of these selective enrollment schools like Northside, Payton, Whitney, Lane and Jones at least half of their entire student body is below the poverty line, so while it is selective enrollment, it still has a CPS demographic.

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 10:34:42 AM »
This is on the school. Didn't I read where they are supposed to hand over certification that the student/athletes are eligible before each game?  Don't see evidence that they were assisting these students to succeed but riding their coattails to glory.
I would give these educators a "FAIL"

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I understand completely. Northside asks me for a ton of money all they time but I know CPS gives so much money to that school. To respond to the first half of your post thats what a lot of people dont get. Every single one of these selective enrollment schools like Northside, Payton, Whitney, Lane and Jones at least half of their entire student body is below the poverty line, so while it is selective enrollment, it still has a CPS demographic.

That's why I'm trying to say it's a financial issue more.  Plenty of the schools with kids in similar situations don't go through this because the other half or third or even quarter of the school has money enough so that the school has real support systems in place. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 03:24:50 PM »
Everyone gets to play in the State Tourney and the Suspend coach will be on the sidelines.

Total BS!

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Curie and Cliff Alexander have been cleared to play in the Illinois state basketball tournament

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/illinois-officials-overrule-chicago-school-district--clear-curie-and-cliff-alexander-to-play-190754869.html

In one of the more bizarre rulings you'll see in the already strange world of prep basketball, the nationally-ranked Chicago Curie Metropolitan High boys' basketball team — which had all 24 of its wins and an epic Chicago Public League championship victory vacated by the city's school district in an academic scandal revealed over the weekend — will be allowed to participate in the state tournament.

Two days after Chicago Public Schools publicly announced Curie's forfeited season, the Illinois High School Association cleared the school, which features Kansas-bound big man Cliff Alexander, to participate as the top seed in the Class 4A state tournament, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

As scheduled, Curie will face Chicago's DuSable High in Tuesday's regional semifinals. After their thrilling four-overtime win over crosstown rival Whitney Young and Duke-bound center Jahlil Okafor in the CPL final, the Condors at full strength would be the favorite to win the Class 4A state title. And that could get awkward.

The city's school district reportedly discovered seven Curie players who possessed a GPA below 2.0 — the minimum for participation as a student athlete. The IHSA, however, only requires prep athletes to pass five classes and achieve 2.5 credits in the previous semester. Which seems backward.

Nine of Curie's 12 players are eligible under IHSA rules, including Alexander, according to the Sun-Times. Two starters, Josh and Joseph Stamps, are reportedly ineligible for the state tournament.

Additionally, CPS chief executive officer Barbara Byrd-Bennet suspended Curie coach Mike Oliver indefinitely over the weekend, but the Chicago Tribune reported that Byrd-Bennett reinstated Oliver for the state tournament following the IHSA ruling. According to the Tribune, athletic administrators failed to acquire authorized Individual Study Plans that would have allowed the players with sub-2.0 GPAs to participate.

According to the Sun-Times, a change.org petition is calling for Byrd-Bennett and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel to reconsider the decision to vacate the 24 victories and CPL title due to alleged administrative errors. It has more than 1,500 signatures. Likewise, Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow PUSH Coalition reportedly called the CPS ruling "disgusting" and "unfair punishment of students for adult misconduct."

All of which seems to ignore the underlying issue that student-athletes aren't achieving in the classroom.

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 03:27:51 PM »
Welcome to the world of IHSA basketball... My dad was pretty mad at this decision. He is one of the coaches for a very successful team (Niles North) and this would never fly there. Over the past few years they have had plenty of people ineligible and someone had to leave the team but nobody has ever bent the rules for them. There is a double standard for basketball in Illinois.

 

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