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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on April 10, 2018, 04:53:51 PM

Title: More indictments
Post by: Pakuni on April 10, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Alleges the families of six players received payments for those kids to attend four adidas-sponsored schools: Louisville, Miami, NC State and Kansas.

Maybe Quentin Grimes wants to re-think his commitment?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-s-office-announces-additional-charges-against-athletic-apparel-company
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on April 10, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
I think even if Grimes did decommit, it's been made pretty clear he aint coming here.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: brewcity77 on April 10, 2018, 05:00:28 PM
I think even if Grimes did decommit, it's been made pretty clear he aint coming here.

If he decommits from Kansas, my money is in Texas.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: barfolomew on April 10, 2018, 05:05:31 PM
If he decommits from Kansas, my money is in Texas.

I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: jesmu84 on April 10, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
If he decommits from Kansas, my money is in Texas.

So is his
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: GooooMarquette on April 10, 2018, 05:08:05 PM
I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.

 ;D
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: brewcity77 on April 10, 2018, 05:10:24 PM
I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.

Damn autocorrect  ;D
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: bilsu on April 10, 2018, 05:48:52 PM
If he decommits from Kansas, my money is in Texas.
I think he would follow the Arizona decommit to Villanova.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: D'Lo Brown on April 10, 2018, 06:46:01 PM
I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.

Lol, agree.

I'm not a lawyer, but having read the indictment, it seems that Kansas' case is significantly different from NC State and Louisville's. It seems that, in Kansas' case, the player and collaborators were doing everything they could to keep Kansas from knowing at all. The indictment specifically lays this out, as the payments were arranged to seemingly pay off his decommitting from a rival apparel company/team.

Again, no expert here, but just from the raw text, I don't see how this torpedoes Kansas in any way.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: MuMark on April 10, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Apparently Kansas is a victim of a fraud perpetrated on them by Addidas ... . .   ;D

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/new-federal-charges-college-basketball-scandal-allege-payments-steer-players-kansas-n-c-state-234400184.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: NorthernDancerColt on April 11, 2018, 01:05:51 AM
I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.

Now if he said NORTH DAKOTA, that would be meaningful. Headquarters for the Public Banking Institute, which champions complete independence from TBTF Wall Street-tied institutions.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 11, 2018, 05:34:45 AM
Lol, agree.

I'm not a lawyer, but having read the indictment, it seems that Kansas' case is significantly different from NC State and Louisville's. It seems that, in Kansas' case, the player and collaborators were doing everything they could to keep Kansas from knowing at all. The indictment specifically lays this out, as the payments were arranged to seemingly pay off his decommitting from a rival apparel company/team.

Again, no expert here, but just from the raw text, I don't see how this torpedoes Kansas in any way.

I haven’t read the updated indictment, so I’ll take your word for what is alleged there, but color me skeptical that Addidas was shelling out tens of thousands of dollars to get players to commit to KU without KU at least having reason to suspect what was going on.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 11, 2018, 05:49:16 AM
Doesn’t this section implicate a coach at Kansas?  https://twitter.com/danwetzel/status/983827948494098432?s=21

Also, it’s pretty hilarious that Silvio de Sousa was worried about his guardian having to repay Nike its initial money.  What was Nike going to do, so then for breach of contract?
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: brewcity77 on April 11, 2018, 07:55:34 AM
I haven’t read the updated indictment, so I’ll take your word for what is alleged there, but color me skeptical that Addidas was shelling out tens of thousands of dollars to get players to commit to KU without KU at least having reason to suspect what was going on.

I have to imagine at some point, Self told someone at Adidas "Do what you need, but keep my name out of it." They could've been steering players to Kansas for years without the staff being aware of exactly how they landed the kids they did.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on April 11, 2018, 09:54:05 AM
I have to imagine at some point, Self told someone at Adidas "Do what you need, but keep my name out of it." They could've been steering players to Kansas for years without the staff being aware of exactly how they landed the kids they did.

I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Pakuni on April 11, 2018, 10:10:28 AM
Doesn’t this section implicate a coach at Kansas?  https://twitter.com/danwetzel/status/983827948494098432?s=21

Also, it’s pretty hilarious that Silvio de Sousa was worried about his guardian having to repay Nike its initial money.  What was Nike going to do, so then for breach of contract?

Actually, probably Under Armour. de Sousa was headed to Maryland before Kansas.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Pakuni on April 11, 2018, 10:19:16 AM
I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.

It's safe to say all college coaches, and especially the successful ones, are control freaks who know everything that goes on with their program.
That being the case, it's pretty naive to believe Self had no clue about why a kid who by all accounts was headed to Maryland suddenly flipped to Kansas. Self may very well be completely insulated here, but for him to have no idea of what was happening here seems unlikely.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 11, 2018, 10:20:20 AM
I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.

Dollar Bill Self?

http://goemaw.com/forum/index.php?topic=10271.0
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Loose Cannon on April 11, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
It's safe to say all college coaches, and especially the successful ones, are control freaks who know everything that goes on with their program.
That being the case, it's pretty naive to believe Self had no clue about why a kid who by all accounts was headed to Maryland suddenly flipped to Kansas. Self may very well be completely insulated here, but for him to have no idea of what was happening here seems unlikely.

Well Said
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Benny B on April 11, 2018, 10:29:50 AM
It's safe to say all college coaches, and especially the successful ones, are control freaks who know everything that goes on with their program.
That being the case, it's pretty naive to believe Self had no clue about why a kid who by all accounts was headed to Maryland suddenly flipped to Kansas. Self may very well be completely insulated here, but for him to have no idea of what was happening here seems unlikely.

Duly nominated for the Scoop Understatement of the Year Award.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 11, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.

There's been whispers around self forever and he's had a a lot of players with off the court issues.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: dgies9156 on April 11, 2018, 11:14:28 AM
Look for the next reorganization among major college sports powers to be

1) Nike
2) Addidas
3) New Balance
4) Others!
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 11, 2018, 11:47:57 AM
I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.

In all of these cases the Feds are investigating, I wonder how a coach with no participation in recruiting a top ranked recruit like Silvio de Sousa just so happens to keep an open scholarship available for a last minute commitment.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: auburnmarquette on April 11, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
I'm no economist, but that seems like an arbitrary reason to change banks.

Haha! Excellent. But I need to disagree - a much bigger bank that has not yet faced indictments - I'd make that switch!
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: wadesworld on April 11, 2018, 12:09:10 PM
The Carlton Bragg and Josh Jackson recruitments were shady and the car situation this year was clear as day that Billy Preston was driving a car he shouldn’t have been.
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: warriorjoe on April 11, 2018, 12:58:30 PM
Billy Preston? The fifth Beatle? Will It Go Round in Circles?

Go Warriors!
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: f/k/a humanlung on April 11, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
Dollar Bill Self?

http://goemaw.com/forum/index.php?topic=10271.0

Well...I stand corrected.  Thanks for posting the link. 
Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: rocket surgeon on April 11, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
I am no expert on Bill Self but this seems like a pretty big assumption about someone who has had a spotless reputation so far in his career.  Like I said, I am no expert but I cannot recall any issues in Self's past.

NCAA: have you ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor?

bill self: convicted? no

john calipari: never convicted

Title: Re: More indictments
Post by: Benny B on April 11, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
NCAA: have you ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor?

bill self: convicted? no

john calipari: never convicted

John Calipari strikes me more as the perfect Francis Soyer.