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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Warrior1969 on December 06, 2006, 12:20:52 PM
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Last night DJ had one assist. He is obviously a score first pass second point guard but one assist? He doesn't seem to be being a point guard to me this year. I love the guy but I don't think this can help his draft status can it? I doubt the NBA will be drafting him as a 5'10 scoring guard. I know other guys have played some point and DJ has been the two gaurd but one assist from an AA? I think he is averaging about four a game? I think he needs to do much better and get guys involved more. Any thoughts?
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Talk to the coach. He's the guy playing his point as his #2 and his #2 as his point. As I see it, we have a weaker point and a weaker #2 with the attack we're employing......but I'm just a fan.
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Dominic is third in line, behind Wesley and Cubillan. Hmmm. Did anyone see DJ posting up last night. Several times he was posting against a guy twice his size, and scored on more than one occasion!
As far as the assists detracting from his draft stock. I'm not so sure. DJ WILL get drafted on potential and atheticism alone. He doesn't pass now because he is such a great scorer in college. I think once in the association that may change.
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25 and 7 dimes against Duke when he played primarily the point...hopefully this does not turn into a all the reason DJ should stay ala 2003 with Wade everytime he had a bad first half or a particular stat did not match that of an "AA". Does the UNC board have one on Hansborough after going 2 for 10 for 7 points against Kentucky :o
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… I will remain of the opinion that Dominic James is a fine player who quite likely will be ready for the NBA one day, although not after this season.
He is too slow to get going, a fair-at-best outside shooter, a lousy -- or at least an unreliable -- free-throw shooter and inconsistent in generating assists.
I cannot see James going to the NBA after this season. He has too many areas where he must improve.
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you're assuming that DJ or the nba cares about these deficiencies. would he improve if he stayed another year in college? absolutely. is he ready to step into the nba right now and play quality minutes? probably not. will dj still get a guarantee from a team in the first round based merely on his athletic ability and flashes of brilliance after this year. most definitely. if you don't believe this to be true, you are just pulling the wool over your eyes. DJ is gone (as well he should be) after this year barring an injury or extreme lapse in play...
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Does anyone have a shred of evidence that DJ is going pro? I don't think so. A lot of guys who could go pro stay in school another year. He might go and he might not, we'll find out in march or april. I am just saying DJ needs to bring the Duke game every night to become a GREAT player. Hopefully he will figure that out starting saturday at 1pm! Go WARRIORS!
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Dominic is third in line, behind Wesley and Cubillan. Hmmm. Did anyone see DJ posting up last night. Several times he was posting against a guy twice his size, and scored on more than one occasion!
As far as the assists detracting from his draft stock. I'm not so sure. DJ WILL get drafted on potential and atheticism alone. He doesn't pass now because he is such a great scorer in college. I think once in the association that may change.
Are you saying he's more valuable as a post up guy than a point? Is he such a great scorer from the #2 spot? Sorry, I don't see it. I see most of his points coming when he is at the point as well as most of Barro's when DJ is at the point dishing to him. He's our best player - put the ball in his hands where he can best do something with it!
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Unfortunately, this is a a very good year for DJ to go pro, because there are very few PGs in the upcoming draft...
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I know Crean knows how to showcase his stars for the next level (see Wade, Diener and Novak).
But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ. I think winning early and getting ranked early really contributed to some big heads on the team (reference: Loss to NDSU and close wins to other middle and low mid-majors). It seems to me DJ thinks he can run the offense and take over the game, and this may be limited a bit by Crean.
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But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ.
Based on what? To speculate that there is a rift forming between our best player and coach without any evidence is meaningless.
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Dominic is third in line, behind Wesley and Cubillan. Hmmm. Did anyone see DJ posting up last night. Several times he was posting against a guy twice his size, and scored on more than one occasion!
As far as the assists detracting from his draft stock. I'm not so sure. DJ WILL get drafted on potential and atheticism alone. He doesn't pass now because he is such a great scorer in college. I think once in the association that may change.
Are you saying he's more valuable as a post up guy than a point? Is he such a great scorer from the #2 spot? Sorry, I don't see it. I see most of his points coming when he is at the point as well as most of Barro's when DJ is at the point dishing to him. He's our best player - put the ball in his hands where he can best do something with it!
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he can score at any position in college and his score first pass second mentality definately benefits this team when he isn't running the point. If he's only playing PG for 10 minutes, don't expect 10 assists! But if he is playing at the #2 for 20, expect scoring via drive and jumpers after being passed to.
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Dominic is third in line, behind Wesley and Cubillan. Hmmm. Did anyone see DJ posting up last night. Several times he was posting against a guy twice his size, and scored on more than one occasion!
As far as the assists detracting from his draft stock. I'm not so sure. DJ WILL get drafted on potential and atheticism alone. He doesn't pass now because he is such a great scorer in college. I think once in the association that may change.
Are you saying he's more valuable as a post up guy than a point? Is he such a great scorer from the #2 spot? Sorry, I don't see it. I see most of his points coming when he is at the point as well as most of Barro's when DJ is at the point dishing to him. He's our best player - put the ball in his hands where he can best do something with it!
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he can score at any position in college and his score first pass second mentality definately benefits this team when he isn't running the point. If he's only playing PG for 10 minutes, don't expect 10 assists! But if he is playing at the #2 for 20, expect scoring via drive and jumpers after being passed to.
And I'm saying he scores more, gets more assists and therefore others score more when he's at the point. I don't see why he's playing the off guard. If TC doesn't want him to bring the ball up against pressure to save him physically I can see that (provided the others bring the ball up adequately) but in the half court offense to have him play off the point is senseless, in my opinion.
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But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ.
Based on what? To speculate that there is a rift forming between our best player and coach without any evidence is meaningless.
Maybe based on the fact that he's not playing the point much and that he sat out most of the last 10 minutes when we were losing to ND State? I have no evidence of a rift but there are a few things happening that could lead one to speculate.
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Talk to the coach. He's the guy playing his point as his #2 and his #2 as his point. As I see it, we have a weaker point and a weaker #2 with the attack we're employing......but I'm just a fan.
have you noticed how this only happens when mu is playing weak schools. I think crean is just trying to get experience for people doing different things and experimenting with some things that could help later on once we hit con play. James played point against duke and TT.
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Does anyone have a shred of evidence that DJ is going pro? I don't think so. A lot of guys who could go pro stay in school another year. He might go and he might not, we'll find out in march or april. I am just saying DJ needs to bring the Duke game every night to become a GREAT player. Hopefully he will figure that out starting saturday at 1pm! Go WARRIORS!
If you think it's 50/50 i'd be willing to give up some odd's that he's gone.
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I know Crean knows how to showcase his stars for the next level (see Wade, Diener and Novak).
But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ. I think winning early and getting ranked early really contributed to some big heads on the team (reference: Loss to NDSU and close wins to other middle and low mid-majors). It seems to me DJ thinks he can run the offense and take over the game, and this may be limited a bit by Crean.
Yes baised on their teary eyed hug a week ago at valpo i'd say there is much hatred between the two.
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But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ.
Rosiak interviewed Dominic and asked this same question. Dominic replied that in the NDSU game, Coach sat him because he was not playing with any intensity. David was playing hard and with intensity, therefore earning the right to stay out on the floor. DJ had not.
Crean doesn't care who you are...if you don't come out to play hard, you better sure as hell be ready to grab some sweet bench time.
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But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ.
Rosiak interviewed Dominic and asked this same question. Dominic replied that in the NDSU game, Coach sat him because he was not playing with any intensity. David was playing hard and with intensity, therefore earning the right to stay out on the floor. DJ had not.
Crean doesn't care who you are...if you don't come out to play hard, you better sure as hell be ready to grab some sweet bench time.
Matthews' comments earlier in the week about the need to play with energy all the time, particularly defensively, are consistent with the info Rosiak relayed on DJ yesterday. Looks like TC has one message for the fellas these days
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I think Crean is trying to toughen DJ up, and rightfully so. I've never seen a player suffer so many dramatic injuries which cause him to leave the game, only to have him return minutes later. I like DJ a lot and by all accounts he's a great kid, but that stuff has got to stop.
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Talk to the coach. He's the guy playing his point as his #2 and his #2 as his point. As I see it, we have a weaker point and a weaker #2 with the attack we're employing......but I'm just a fan.
have you noticed how this only happens when mu is playing weak schools. I think crean is just trying to get experience for people doing different things and experimenting with some things that could help later on once we hit con play. James played point against duke and TT.
Like ND State?
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Talk to the coach. He's the guy playing his point as his #2 and his #2 as his point. As I see it, we have a weaker point and a weaker #2 with the attack we're employing......but I'm just a fan.
have you noticed how this only happens when mu is playing weak schools. I think crean is just trying to get experience for people doing different things and experimenting with some things that could help later on once we hit con play. James played point against duke and TT.
Like ND State?
I didn't see the ND State game so i can't comment. But I don't think your ever-so-witty, three word, comeback completely disqualifies my entire statement. Thanks for actually trying to give someone elses thoughts the benefit of the doubt though.
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Talk to the coach. He's the guy playing his point as his #2 and his #2 as his point. As I see it, we have a weaker point and a weaker #2 with the attack we're employing......but I'm just a fan.
have you noticed how this only happens when mu is playing weak schools. I think crean is just trying to get experience for people doing different things and experimenting with some things that could help later on once we hit con play. James played point against duke and TT.
Like ND State?
I didn't see the ND State game so i can't comment. But I don't think your ever-so-witty, three word, comeback completely disqualifies my entire statement. Thanks for actually trying to give someone elses thoughts the benefit of the doubt though.
It doesn't disqualify your entire statement, you may well have a point and I hope you're right and DJ is back where he belongs Saturday against UW. I did see the ND St game and when he wasn't riding the pines, DJ was mostly used at the #2. Maybe TC mistakenly thought that was a lesser opponent. No matter I do believe he belongs at the point and hope he will be there full time except a few breaks when Cubillan is spelling him.
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DJ will have to decide whether he can improve his game through another year of college, or get drafted in the low first or high second round and play approximately 37 minutes total in the NBA. He is nowhere near ready to play professionally.
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1st off, cant judge a player from 1 game
2nd - with our shooting %, not much chance for assists this year
3rd - Allen Iverson makes a nice 2 guard and he is 6'1" in sneakers.
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I like how ecompt has him going late first or early second. To that I literally have to laugh in the face of such an asinine comment that has absoulutely zero basis. Show me a mock draft board that has him going so low. Or do you have the consensus of the NBA GM's at your disposal? While I rarely drop names I will add that I recently ran into Carl Nicks, the lead scout for the Pacers. Carl played guard at Indiana State with Bird and later palyed a few years in the NBA, my recollection is Utah and Denver? Had not seen him since my AAU days but he informed me they were following DJ heavily as they project him middle or higher of the first round. They see themselves being in that range and therefore, would be following him intently. I asked where he stood on returning and he said thay ahd not gotten that far but that was one of the things they wanted to get a gauge on. That is the view of the Pacers.
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modified previous post to remove derogatory comments. KEEP IT CLEAN.
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are you telling me Chicos incessant name dropping when it has nothing to do with his post is not pathetic? Like I said i dont name drop but in this case did becuase I think it legitimitizes the post, especially in response to Ecompt's "second rounder" opinion?
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Harrison - see your PM.
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But I can't help to think that there's some kind of rift forming between Crean and DJ.
Rosiak interviewed Dominic and asked this same question. Dominic replied that in the NDSU game, Coach sat him because he was not playing with any intensity. David was playing hard and with intensity, therefore earning the right to stay out on the floor. DJ had not.
Crean doesn't care who you are...if you don't come out to play hard, you better sure as hell be ready to grab some sweet bench time.
Thanks for the info. It rests my concern that there was a rift.
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First, I have to thank Harrison for his constructive criticism. I'm sure he knows more about where DJ will go than probably anyone on the face of the earth. I can practically guarantee that I have COVERED for some of the largest newspapers in the country more sporting events than he has ever attended, so I feel I am perhaps qualified to make an educated guess as to DJ's pro potential. He is a gifted athlete who gives 150 percent, even when he is hurt. But he is small and an erratic shooter. If the draft were held tomorrow he would go low first round or high second round. Players his size have to be exceptional talents to succeed, and DJ has only showed flashes.
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Then I guess you differ from Myself and the majority of NBA teams. I never said I was the authority, just adding that my beleifs that are echoed by the mock drafts are also echoed by at least one organization, first hand. And I will say it again because it seems many people have difficulty with the comprehension. Never have I made a statement about DJ's pro career, playing time or anything along those lines. Ecompt wants to talk about his playing time. Again the point is are there 20 or more players better than DJ? Because if he is middle of the first round, like most project, whether he is the next Wade or the next Milicic he will have approx. $10 million guaranteed and all i have ever said is only a fool turns that down. And no one in the MU camp will suggest he did. Aint nothing wrong with developing your game while making 2-4 million a year. The remote possibility that something adverse happens to his career if he truns down guaranteed money, however, slim is too great to take when offered $10 million guaranteed. Put that in your paper!
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I am all for DJ getting every penny he can. You ask, are there 20 players better than he is? Maybe. Depends on who comes out early, how many Europeans are drafted, etc. I do know that Travis Diener was a much better college player than DJ and he can't even get off the bench in Orlando. Wherever DJ goes, he is very unlikely to get much if any playing time in the NBA his first year. That was my point. Now he has to decide whether he wants to spend a year watching or playing. If he takes the money, God bless him. He's not ready for the NBA right now. That may change by March.