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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on March 30, 2021, 05:00:49 AM
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Given the namesake of our new HC, I wonder if there's not room to talk about bringing back the Warriors in an EDI friendly way. Recognizing that "warrior" culture is not unique to one people/nation/race/sex but instead is seen across an inclusive range of peoples/nations/cultures/sexes and explicitly adopting it in that way with logo/branding reflective of the same. Something like a text-only logo (ala Washington football team) or maybe something like the silhouette of 5 young athletes in huddle with their arms on each others' shoulders (ala Shaka's "relationships" focus).
MU could then have multiple live mascots for different warrior cultures, developed in consultation with those cultures, and only to be portrayed by individuals from that culture. Perhaps even only develop those mascots from cultures who approach the University (i.e. so the development of a mascot requires an active "opt in" from the community in question.) Maybe given the preponderance of Irish-American students/alum the "base" warrior could be a Celtic warrior - as the father of Irish kids I know I certainly wouldn't take any offense to that. And I can tell you a Celtic warrior would be a hell of a lot less offensive than "Clashmore Mike" at ND. You could even have a female one based on the banféinní!
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In Wisconsin, you know Fall is coming when the leaves start to turn. On Scoop, you know the off-season is coming when the "bring back Warriors" threads start to bloom.
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As much as we'd all love it's not happening.
Bricky has a better chance of returning to his 5 minutes of fame.
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I also suggested this based on who Shaka was named after but it’s not. Gonna. Happen.
There is no chance in this Uber woke environment
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As much as we'd all love it's not happening.
Bricky has a better chance of returning to his 5 minutes of fame.
Personally, I subscribe to the school of thought that Marquette is contractually forbidden to return to the Warriors mascot. I don't know if we'll ever learn whether this is true, or just a rumor.
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So, Marquette isn’t going to pursue a multi million dollar re-branding campaign during a cash strapped pandemic, which I may add was brought about because of the origins of the first name of our current basketball coach who has been with us for less than a week, because of the ‘woke environment’.
I love scoop.
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How about this... Raise $1 billion, change the name back.
Lovell needs to raise money. Warriors is a hot button. Offer to completely sell out for an obscene amount of money, come back with gender inclusive, non-native-American imagery.
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I also suggested this based on who Shaka was named after but it’s not. Gonna. Happen.
There is no chance in this Uber woke environment
What about a Lyft woke environment?
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What about a Lyft woke environment?
Scoop at its finest
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Bricky never had a chance. It was a fun 5 days.
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EDI? What does Electronic Data Interchange have to do with Warriors?
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The ND logo seeks to portray my forebears as pugnacious.
Would that they had been even more so.
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Personally, I subscribe to the school of thought that Marquette is contractually forbidden to return to the Warriors mascot. I don't know if we'll ever learn whether this is true, or just a rumor.
The heart of posting on Scoop! Truth is whatever we say it is, and we love rumors.
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The heart of posting on Scoop! Truth is whatever we say it is, and we love rumors.
Indeed we do. This made me laugh.
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If 2 million dollars can't bring it back, its not coming back. Were stuck with the fluffy chicken.
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**If this were a contractual obligation, one would like that the Vice Chair of the Board of Trustees would know this when he made the $1 million offer in a public forum.
**$2 million was never going to be enough for a school that raises something like $90 million a year.
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**If this were a contractual obligation, one would like that the Vice Chair of the Board of Trustees would know this when he made the $1 million offer in a public forum.
**$2 million was never going to be enough for a school that raises something like $90 million a year.
You make a fair point. However, one would also think that the Vice Chair of the Board of Trustees: 1) would have been aware that the idea was a non-starter even if there was no contractual prohibition; and/or 2) might have believed that the contract could be renegotiated.
The fact that his offer resulted in the "we'll consider any change but Warriors" would suggest that he wasn't entirely in the loop about what was possible.
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You make a fair point. However, one would also think that the Vice Chair of the Board of Trustees: 1) would have been aware that the idea was a non-starter even if there was no contractual prohibition; and/or 2) might have believed that the contract could be renegotiated.
The fact that his offer resulted in the "we'll consider any change but Warriors" would suggest that he wasn't entirely in the loop about what was possible.
That may be true. I would also suggest that it was extremely inappropriate for a member of the Board of Trustees to make such an offer in a public setting without first talking to university leadership about it.
But regardless, $2 million would never have been enough to make the change.
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That may be true. I would also suggest that it was extremely inappropriate for a member of the Board of Trustees to make such an offer in a public setting without first talking to university leadership about it.
But regardless, $2 million would never have been enough to make the change.
I agree on both points.
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How about this... Raise $1 billion, change the name back.
Lovell needs to raise money. Warriors is a hot button. Offer to completely sell out for an obscene amount of money, come back with gender inclusive, non-native-American imagery.
Fine! Joan of Arc in full armor, charging onto the court on her mighty horse during a time out and scattering the opponents' huddle, demolishing their Gatorade cart, and then charging towards their cheerleaders who make a hasty trip to their locker room for a fresh set of clothes.
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I think the OP meant DEI not EDI
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Fine! Joan of Arc in full armor, charging onto the court on her mighty horse during a time out and scattering the opponents' huddle, demolishing their Gatorade cart, and then charging towards their cheerleaders who make a hasty trip to their locker room for a fresh set of clothes.
I always loved the Joan of Arc idea. If I ran MU in the 90s, that's what I would have gone with rather than changing the name.
Of course, if you told a bunch of alumni that we were dropping the native imagery and installing a female mascot in the 90s, I'm not sure how well that would have gone over. Maybe I'm wrong but I think there would have been a lot of backlash.
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Redskins is available now.
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**If this were a contractual obligation, one would like that the Vice Chair of the Board of Trustees would know this when he made the $1 million offer in a public forum.
**$2 million was never going to be enough for a school that raises something like $90 million a year.
To build the AL, a new Law School and Dormitory; 2 million to change one logo back to another costs nothing, but as you say 2 million or any amount was never going to be enough was just the point.
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I always loved the Joan of Arc idea. If I ran MU in the 90s, that's what I would have gone with rather than changing the name.
Of course, if you told a bunch of alumni that we were dropping the native imagery and installing a female mascot in the 90s, I'm not sure how well that would have gone over. Maybe I'm wrong but I think there would have been a lot of backlash.
They had already dropped the imagery before the name change. I know that when Bluteaux bombed in the late 80s they did a contest to replace "him" and they included a knight, a caveman and a couple of other things. Not sure if the logo changed from the "first warrior" until the name change though.
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I think the OP meant DEI not EDI
Nope.
https://medium.com/@jeremyfromascending/weve-decided-to-use-edi-not-dei-here-s-why-eb5ed0e1208d
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To build the AL, a new Law School and Dormitory; 2 million to change one logo back to another costs nothing, but as you say 2 million or any amount was never going to be enough was just the point.
Changing logos doesn't cost "nothing" by any means. A rebrand is clearly a seven figure cost. The hope is that you make up for it in increased apparel licensing, etc.
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Nope.
https://medium.com/@jeremyfromascending/weve-decided-to-use-edi-not-dei-here-s-why-eb5ed0e1208d
That's wonderful that Jeremey Evans Smith and his 29 followers has decided to use a different acronym from everyone else. But as someone whose wife works as a DEI consultant...it's DEI.
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That's wonderful that Jeremey Evans Smith and his 29 followers has decided to use a different acronym from everyone else. But as someone whose wife works as a DEI consultant...it's DEI.
We use EDI. So do a number of other schools.
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Changing logos doesn't cost "nothing" by any means. A rebrand is clearly a seven figure cost. The hope is that you make up for it in increased apparel licensing, etc.
Came here to say this. Think of everything you see in media, print, logos on buildings... everything. You're talking well over $2 million.
The guy that offered the money was out for some self promotion, and it has paid dividends. We're still talking about this 17 years later!
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They had already dropped the imagery before the name change. I know that when Bluteaux bombed in the late 80s they did a contest to replace "him" and they included a knight, a caveman and a couple of other things. Not sure if the logo changed from the "first warrior" until the name change though.
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I always loved the Joan of Arc idea. If I ran MU in the 90s, that's what I would have gone with rather than changing the name.
Of course, if you told a bunch of alumni that we were dropping the native imagery and installing a female mascot in the 90s, I'm not sure how well that would have gone over. Maybe I'm wrong but I think there would have been a lot of backlash.
I would have been fine with it, but I fail to see the connection between Jacques Marquette and JOA except that they are both french and Catholic and a JOA chapel on campus. Whereas the connection with Marquette and Native Americans is obvious.
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I would have been fine with it, but I fail to see the connection between Jacques Marquette and JOA except that they are both french and Catholic and a JOA chapel on campus. Whereas the connection with Marquette and Native Americans is obvious.
Do you see a connection between a Jesuit priest/explorer and warriors/Hilltoppers/Golden Avalanche/Golden Eagles/Gold?
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I would have been fine with it, but I fail to see the connection between Jacques Marquette and JOA except that they are both french and Catholic and a JOA chapel on campus. Whereas the connection with Marquette and Native Americans is obvious.
I think you listed three big connections
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Jumpin' Jesuits is the only real option.
(https://i.imgur.com/JwGjj4V.jpg)
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Bring back football.
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Bring back football.
And the Brooks Union!
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And the Brooks Union!
And Angelo's!
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Changing logos doesn't cost "nothing" by any means. A rebrand is clearly a seven figure cost. The hope is that you make up for it in increased apparel licensing, etc.
The Marquette community was overwhelmingly in favor of the Warrior mascot and would have easily made up any costs.
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We use EDI. So do a number of other schools.
Most ironic internet squabble ever? I give you both a hard fail on the D part.
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I've heard that Father Marquette himself would likely not approve of the name "Warriors", since he, y'know, spent his whole life working as a keeper of the peace among the peoples he visited.
Once and for all, just let it go.
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Do you see a connection between a Jesuit priest/explorer and warriors/Hilltoppers/Golden Avalanche/Golden Eagles/Gold?
Jesuit priests are famous for walking around with golden eagles on their shoulders. Duh.
Once and for all, just let it go.
Never! This is Scoop ... and we never just let anything go!
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Never! This is Scoop ... and we never just let anything go!
#donedeal
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As much as we'd all love it's not happening.
Bricky has a better chance of returning to his 5 minutes of fame.
I created Bricky in 5 mins using MS paint...while it was only 5 mins of fame, Bricky lives forever in my heart.
I lost the original file to time, but thank god for scoop...keeping Bricky alive all these years
https://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/nickname/bricky.jpg?
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I created Bricky in 5 mins using MS paint...while it was only 5 mins of fame, Bricky lives forever in my heart.
I lost the original file to time, but thank god for scoop...keeping Bricky alive all these years
https://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/nickname/bricky.jpg?
Nice! Bricky Part II.
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I created Bricky in 5 mins using MS paint...while it was only 5 mins of fame, Bricky lives forever in my heart.
I lost the original file to time, but thank god for scoop...keeping Bricky alive all these years
https://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/nickname/bricky.jpg?
I bet you are kicking yourself with this NFT boom.
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That's wonderful that Jeremey Evans Smith and his 29 followers has decided to use a different acronym from everyone else. But as someone whose wife works as a DEI consultant...it's DEI.
Must not have caught that the link was in teal.
As someone who heads an EDI unit ... it's also EDI. There is world outside the US you know....
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I bet you are kicking yourself with this NFT boom.
Was just going to ask how much for the NFT rights!
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From Warrior to Soy Boy in just two generations
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Jesuit priests are famous for walking around with golden eagles on their shoulders. Duh.
Never! This is Scoop ... and we never just let anything go!
Old Warriors never die they just fade away to quote a famous general who visited Marquette 70 years ago this April.
https://www.macarthurmilwaukeeforum.com/biography/macarthurs-great-milwaukee-homecoming/
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Personally, I subscribe to the school of thought that Marquette is contractually forbidden to return to the Warriors mascot. I don't know if we'll ever learn whether this is true, or just a rumor.
Contractually forbidden? With whom? Did an Native American tribe sue the school? I could see some sort of an agreement with the NCAA.
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We use EDI. So do a number of other schools.
Must not have caught that the link was in teal.
As someone who heads an EDI unit ... it's also EDI. There is world outside the US you know....
Thinking on it, I shouldn't have been a dick about it. I have never heard it called EDI but that doesn't mean there aren't places that do. Mea culpa
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Contractually forbidden? With whom? Did an Native American tribe sue the school? I could see some sort of an agreement with the NCAA.
There is speculation that when they purchased the land upon which the Valley Fields are located from the Potowatomi tribe, Marquette agreed to change the mascot. As said above, its quite possible (likely?) that this is just rumor and speculation. Fuzzy made a very fair point that a member of the BOT would presumably have been aware of this contractual restriction.
The evidence "supporting" this theory is, admittedly, pretty thin; really just the general timing and what some view as MU's seemingly irrational refusal to even consider a return to the Warriors name.
As the person who raised the issue in the thread, I should probably admit that even I'm not convinced. I choose to subscribe to that school of thought because it helps me make sense of an otherwise nonsensical decision.
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Thinking on it, I shouldn't have been a dick about it. I have never heard it called EDI but that doesn't mean there aren't places that do. Mea culpa
Wait, you’re telling me that you emphatically stated something as fact and were wrong? Not only that but you were a dick about it? That seems so out of character for you. Shocking.
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We've been Golden Eagles for 27 years at this point. Longer than almost all Marquette undergrads have been alive. The name isn't changing. Less than zero chance. There's so little of a chance of it, that the administration wouldn't even respond to any inquiries about it. The issue is beyond dead. I've been in a few smaller meetings with various ADs over the years (decades at this point....) and the issue always comes up and they politely waive off the question.
The real mistake was not reverting to Hilltoppers or Golden Avalanche. Golden Avalanche is an awesome nickname and would've tied in the "Golden" part.
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There is speculation that when they purchased the land upon which the Valley Fields are located from the Potowatomi tribe, Marquette agreed to change the mascot. As said above, its quite possible (likely?) that this is just rumor and speculation. Fuzzy made a very fair point that a member of the BOT would presumably have been aware of this contractual restriction.
The evidence "supporting" this theory is, admittedly, pretty thin; really just the general timing and what some view as MU's seemingly irrational refusal to even consider a return to the Warriors name.
As the person who raised the issue in the thread, I should probably admit that even I'm not convinced. I choose to subscribe to that school of thought because it helps me make sense of an otherwise nonsensical decision.
That there was an agreement after discussions with Potowatomi leadership is universally acknowledged. Whether there was an actual "contract" to this effect I do not believe is accurate.
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If the MUBB Blog super pac made a joint statement about the impact changing the name would have on fundraising they'd revert back!
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If the MUBB Blog super pac made a joint statement about the impact changing the name would have on fundraising they'd revert back!
This energy would be far better spent bringing back the Avalanche Superbar.
Team, let's focus on the fights we can win!
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If the MUBB Blog super pac made a joint statement about the impact changing the name would have on fundraising they'd revert back!
LOL I'm not banking on catching lightning in a bottle twice.
I think the right answer is no nickname. Just Marquette. We don't use any nickname imagery on uniforms. Our fight song and chant don't reference a nickname. Just Marquette, then let pundits refer to us as they choose.
If the old school wants to use Warriors, fine, as long as it's not official. If the new school wants to use Golden Eagles, fine, but it doesn't have to be official (they can still sell Iggy dolls without an official nickname).
We Are Marquette. And that's all we need to be.
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This energy would be far better spent bringing back the Avalanche Superbar.
Team, let's focus on the fights we can win!
So like bringing back the football team?
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We've been Golden Eagles for 27 years at this point. Longer than almost all Marquette undergrads have been alive. The name isn't changing. Less than zero chance. There's so little of a chance of it, that the administration wouldn't even respond to any inquiries about it. The issue is beyond dead. I've been in a few smaller meetings with various ADs over the years (decades at this point....) and the issue always comes up and they politely waive off the question.
The real mistake was not reverting to Hilltoppers or Golden Avalanche. Golden Avalanche is an awesome nickname and would've tied in the "Golden" part.
Agree with the spirit of all of this ... but how is there "less than zero chance," and how is it "beyond dead"?
Does the latter mean that if there is a Zombie Apocalypse, we could get Warriors back? And if so, wouldn't that mean there's more than zero chance?
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We've been Golden Eagles for 27 years at this point. Longer than almost all Marquette undergrads have been alive. The name isn't changing. Less than zero chance. There's so little of a chance of it, that the administration wouldn't even respond to any inquiries about it. The issue is beyond dead. I've been in a few smaller meetings with various ADs over the years (decades at this point....) and the issue always comes up and they politely waive off the question.
The real mistake was not reverting to Hilltoppers or Golden Avalanche. Golden Avalanche is an awesome nickname and would've tied in the "Golden" part.
as mentioned prior, my housemate jr/sr years was the First Warrior. He lobbied hard to maintain Warriors. But Golden Avalanche was a big miss. I mean, Golden Eagles showed no creativity at all. It’s not even a WI-native bird, for crying out loud. Golden Avalanche is unique, connects back to the early years. If Warriors is a forever no-go, Golden Av should be considered.
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There sure a lot of avalanches in Wisconsin I must be unaware of. :P
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Agree with the spirit of all of this ... but how is there "less than zero chance," and how is it "beyond dead"?
Does the latter mean that if there is a Zombie Apocalypse, we could get Warriors back? And if so, wouldn't that mean there's more than zero chance?
You are right.
Circle back when the Zombie Apocalypse happens and we can discuss then. 🧟♂️
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There sure a lot of avalanches in Wisconsin I must be unaware of. :P
like all of those hurricanes in Tulsa?
There is a greater chance of me playing in the NBA than there is of Warriors ever coming back.
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Thinking on it, I shouldn't have been a dick about it. I have never heard it called EDI but that doesn't mean there aren't places that do. Mea culpa
No worries- I thought it was kind of a funny thing to argue about- my original reply was meant to be a joke!
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We've been Golden Eagles for 27 years at this point. Longer than almost all Marquette undergrads have been alive. The name isn't changing. Less than zero chance. There's so little of a chance of it, that the administration wouldn't even respond to any inquiries about it. The issue is beyond dead. I've been in a few smaller meetings with various ADs over the years (decades at this point....) and the issue always comes up and they politely waive off the question.
The real mistake was not reverting to Hilltoppers or Golden Avalanche. Golden Avalanche is an awesome nickname and would've tied in the "Golden" part.
...was denying the vote to Warrior supporters. Talk about voter suppression.
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Golden Avalanche Brewing Company
https://www.kutztowntavern.com/GoldenAvalancheBrewery
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And the Brooks Union!
I think I might still have keys. 8-)
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I think I might still have keys. 8-)
I still have mine to the Knights Of Columbus Building and the archives in the old Library.
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I'd rather Marquette add baseball instead of bringing back football.
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I'd rather Marquette add baseball instead of bringing back football.
We do have football.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-soccer
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We do have football.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-soccer
Futbol. ;)
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We've been Golden Eagles for 27 years at this point.
Won't be long before we cross the mark where we've been talking about changing the name back to the Warriors longer than we were actually called the Warriors.
It's never going to come back. The guys Shaka is recruiting weren't even born when Dwyane Wade posted his triple-double against Kentucky, much less when Marquette was the Warriors. There are thousands of alums who graduated as Golden Eagles, not Warriors, and have no connection to that nickname other than some jackass board member hijacking their commencement ceremony to make a donation offer he knew the university wasn't going to accept.
It's not "woke" to acknowledge the damage that Native American nicknames has done for generations. I'm proud that Marquette made the change when it did and I can't believe there are still many high schools who haven't done the same.
It's not even a unique nickname! If you shout "Go Warriors!" in a crowded sports bar there's only one team people think you mean.
MU missed an opportunity to go with the Golden Avalanche. Even the Gold would have been better than the Golden Eagles. But we're the Golden Eagles, and we will always be the Golden Eagles.
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Wait, you’re telling me that you emphatically stated something as fact and were wrong? Not only that but you were a dick about it? That seems so out of character for you. Shocking.
I'm pretty careful about when I state things as fact and when I state them as an opinion. When I do get a fact wrong I own up to it.
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I'm pretty careful about when I state things as fact and when I state them as an opinion. When I do get a fact wrong I own up to it.
Are these facts or opinions?
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I'm pretty careful about when I state things as fact and when I state them as an opinion. When I do get a fact wrong I own up to it.
I don’t think there is even one reasonable person on Scoop who questions your integrity.
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Won't be long before we cross the mark where we've been talking about changing the name back to the Warriors longer than we were actually called the Warriors.
It's never going to come back.
Agreed. But 40 years of Warriors is still long off from 26.9* years of Golden Eagles. Who knows what the next 13 years have in store.
* Give Bricky his day in the sun - GE's actually LOST to gold!
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I don’t think there is even one reasonable person on Scoop who questions your integrity.
But then we'd have to agree on who is reasonable. :P
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Not sure what all the fuss is about. The nickname is clearly never coming back. I feel, as long as it is divorced from Native imagery, “Warriors” in the general sense is a great name. That doesn’t change that it won’t be the official nickname for MU ever again.
In fact, i feel it is very neat that “Warriors Forever” is the unofficial refrain from so many alums. Every MU coach since I attended in the early ‘90s has at one time or another referred to one of his player as a “warrior” out on the floor. In a way, it’s cooler that “Warriors” is unofficially embraced by fans, alums, even some students, yet considered verboten by successive administrations that misunderstand how generic a term it is. It should be understood in the athletic sense only, as it relates to fighting for teammates, school pride, coaches etc.
I don’t hate the Golden Eagle nickname, and I love the majesty of our national bird 🦅. That said, I won’t purchase any MU Gear with the current GE nickname prominent. What is stopping fans and alums from printing tee shirts maybe that say “MU WarriorsWithin” or “SpiritWarriors”? Be creative and classy/ non-offensive. Embrace your official Marquette Golden Eagles while you pay homage to your unofficial Warriors of Marquette.
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Not sure what all the fuss is about. The nickname is clearly never coming back. I feel, as long as it is divorced from Native imagery, “Warriors” in the general sense is a great name. That doesn’t change that it won’t be the official nickname for MU ever again.
In fact, i feel it is very neat that “Warriors Forever” is the unofficial refrain from so many alums. Every MU coach since I attended in the early ‘90s has at one time or another referred to one of his player as a “warrior” out on the floor. In a way, it’s cooler that “Warriors” is unofficially embraced by fans, alums, even some students, yet considered verboten by successive administrations that misunderstand how generic a term it is. It should be understood in the athletic sense only, as it relates to fighting for teammates, school pride, coaches etc.
I don’t hate the Golden Eagle nickname, and I love the majesty of our national bird 🦅. That said, I won’t purchase any MU Gear with the current GE nickname prominent. What is stopping fans and alums from printing tee shirts maybe that say “MU WarriorsWithin” or “SpiritWarriors”? Be creative and classy/ non-offensive. Embrace your official Marquette Golden Eagles while you pay homage to your unofficial Warriors of Marquette.
Are you Albanian, Mexican or Scottish?
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Are you Albanian, Mexican or Scottish?
Bald Eagle, Golden Eagle....I see you’re picking feathers.
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I feel, as long as it is divorced from Native imagery, “Warriors” in the general sense is a great name.
Perhaps a little something like this:
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LOL I'm not banking on catching lightning in a bottle twice.
I think the right answer is no nickname. Just Marquette. We don't use any nickname imagery on uniforms. Our fight song and chant don't reference a nickname. Just Marquette, then let pundits refer to us as they choose.
If the old school wants to use Warriors, fine, as long as it's not official. If the new school wants to use Golden Eagles, fine, but it doesn't have to be official (they can still sell Iggy dolls without an official nickname).
We Are Marquette. And that's all we need to be.
Maybe go with Marquette University Basketball Team (each sport would have their own unique nickname). Or the Marquette WeAres.
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
Is it?
As reported in USA Today:
When college athletes are able to profit off of marketing deals, it’s going to add another layer of dynamics for how coaches put together their rosters.
We may just become the Marquette Harley-Davidson Road Warriors if we want to compete at the highest level.
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
mascots are primarily for kids.
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mascots are for primarily for kids.
I mean, look at the people decrying golden eagles... are you surprised? ;D
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mascots are primarily for kids.
I guess Warriors was inappropriate for 18-23 year old kids.
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mascots are primarily for kids.
For kids' nightmares, perhaps.
(https://i.imgur.com/cnYtNi7.gif)
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How about making 1977 the year the mascot? That way, we can relive that year every time the Golden Eagles play
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How about making 1977 the year the mascot? That way, we can relive that year every time the Golden Eagles play
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/554c73da9398fa2c616aeddc0936f484/tenor.gif)
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How about making 1977 the year the mascot? That way, we can relive that year every time the Golden Eagles play
Does that mean I get my hair back?????
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
What mascot is any of those things?
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
Why not just get a real eagle and let it fly around during games? If nothing else, it'll keep the bats away.
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How about making 1977 the year the mascot? That way, we can relive that year every time the Golden Eagles play
...I believe this was the mascot in ‘77
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The intent of starting this topic is that I am well aware that the Golden Eagle name is here to stay so at least upgrade the PITIFUL mascot. It does not represent what Golden Eagles are: Majestic, Strong, Fearless, and attack opponents.
They are not fuzzy, mangy, smelly, or wimpy.
Pretty sure mascots exist primarily to encourage young fans. I think fuzzy and friendly is generally what they're going for.
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For kids' nightmares, perhaps.
(https://i.imgur.com/cnYtNi7.gif)
The Marquette Gritty Walruses
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I mean, look at the people decrying golden eagles... are you surprised? ;D
Decrying? ::)
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There is no doubt that Warrior is more fitting than lame Golden Eagle. Everybody knows that. But with today's cancel PC crowd. Not happening
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There is no doubt that Warrior is more fitting than lame Golden Eagle. Everybody knows that. But with today's cancel PC crowd. Not happening
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cAnCeL cUlTuRe
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There is no doubt that Warrior is more fitting than lame Golden Eagle. Everybody knows that. But with today's cancel PC crowd. Not happening
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1994's cancel culture.
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1994's cancel culture.
1994's University of Wisconsin Cancel Culture. The irony behind the whole thing is Wisconsin is rooted for more by the "anti" cancel culture crowd.
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Given the namesake of our new HC, I wonder if there's not room to talk about bringing back the Warriors in an EDI friendly way. Recognizing that "warrior" culture is not unique to one people/nation/race/sex but instead is seen across an inclusive range of peoples/nations/cultures/sexes and explicitly adopting it in that way with logo/branding reflective of the same. Something like a text-only logo (ala Washington football team) or maybe something like the silhouette of 5 young athletes in huddle with their arms on each others' shoulders (ala Shaka's "relationships" focus).
MU could then have multiple live mascots for different warrior cultures, developed in consultation with those cultures, and only to be portrayed by individuals from that culture. Perhaps even only develop those mascots from cultures who approach the University (i.e. so the development of a mascot requires an active "opt in" from the community in question.) Maybe given the preponderance of Irish-American students/alum the "base" warrior could be a Celtic warrior - as the father of Irish kids I know I certainly wouldn't take any offense to that. And I can tell you a Celtic warrior would be a hell of a lot less offensive than "Clashmore Mike" at ND. You could even have a female one based on the banféinní!
I would be awesome for someone to start an online petition to return the Warriors name ,without Native American Imagery .
With a new coach who is named after a Famous African Warrior , something like this , which in years past had no chance, might actually gain some traction.
I am sure most people on this message board would endorse it. 8-)
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As a former housemate of the late, great gentleman who wore the Blueteaux costume I do feel the need to weigh in on all this abstract silliness. The solution is simple. Once a year, have a back to the 70s night, or for better music, a back to 80s night at the Fiserv Forum and all us geezers can be Warriors again for one night. That's it. Wear your faded sweatshirts and royal blue snap button jackets like Chris Farley in Tommy Boy. One night, once a year.
Woodchip we miss you. Requiescant in Pace
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I would be awesome for someone to start an online petition to return the Warriors name ,without Native American Imagery .
With a new coach who is named after a Famous African Warrior , something like this , which in years past had no chance, might actually gain some traction.
I am sure most people on this message board would endorse it. 8-)
The Simpsons can’t have have white people voicing Black characters anymore and you think it wouldn’t cause a crapshow having a white, Catholic, university having an African warrior as a mascot?
We’ll bring back football and play in the Rose Bowl before going back to Warriors.
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The Simpsons can’t have have white people voicing Black characters anymore and you think it wouldn’t cause a crapshow having a white, Catholic, university having an African warrior as a mascot?
We’ll bring back football and play in the Rose Bowl before going back to Warriors.
Marquette is a White university? May want to walk that one back.