Wisconsin

[rocket surgeon]

So you think that since most people are following Evers’ recommendations and are against opening too soon is political?

It is simply fact. Evers issued safe-at-home. Vos is calling for opening up. Most people don’t want to play Russian roulette with their lives.

so what..."most" people already knew this, but "russian roulette"??  really??  that's going a little over board 'strap.  from yous guys who took offense at "wuhan" flu.  well i take offense at "russian roulette" and all those who've fallen victim to it

[jficke13]

so what..."most" people already knew this, but "russian roulette"??  really??  that's going a little over board 'strap.  from yous guys who took offense at "wuhan" flu.  well i take offense at "russian roulette" and all those who've fallen victim to it

wow, being offended as disingenuous performative internet posturing, how very original.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

so what..."most" people already knew this, but "russian roulette"??  really??  that's going a little over board 'strap.  from yous guys who took offense at "wuhan" flu.  well i take offense at "russian roulette" and all those who've fallen victim to it

Lol...what???

[Lennys Tap]

I'm reminded of the Teddy Roosevelt quote with this point.  It's a good point and I think those judged favorably long past this crisis will generally be those who can show their actions.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

There are honest critics on Scoop. There are even some (Tower comes to mind) among those honest critics who actually strive to be part of the solution. But Teddy R was right in the main.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

so what..."most" people already knew this, but "russian roulette"??  really??  that's going a little over board 'strap.  from yous guys who took offense at "wuhan" flu.  well i take offense at "russian roulette" and all those who've fallen victim to it

Admitting that you are only pretending to be offended is a bold move Cotton, let's see if it pays off for you.

[rocket surgeon]

Admitting that you are only pretending to be offended is a bold move Cotton, let's see if it pays off for you.

why, some of my best friends are slavik

[injuryBug]

really hope things are thought out carefully and Wisconsin does not open up completely.  The phased approach will serve us much better

[mu_hilltopper]

Hey, remember those stay-at-home protests in Madison? 

https://www.channel3000.com/72-got-covid-19-after-being-at-large-event/

72/1500 attendees = 4.8% got the COVID. 



Edit:  Maybe.  Headline jumps to conclusions.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hey, remember those stay-at-home protests in Madison? 

https://www.channel3000.com/72-got-covid-19-after-being-at-large-event/

72/1500 attendees = 4.8% got the COVID.

Very misleading article.  It doesn't say that 72 people who attended that rally tested positive.  It says 72 people "who attended a large gathering" did.  It doesn't specificy WHAT large gathering they attended.  It could have been a family birthday party for all we know.

[mu_hilltopper]

Very misleading article.  It doesn't say that 72 people who attended that rally tested positive.  It says 72 people "who attended a large gathering" did.  It doesn't specificy WHAT large gathering they attended.  It could have been a family birthday party for all we know.

That's a good point.  I think .. the AP story is factual.  The headline the website added is the problem.

[Hards Alumni]

https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/wisconsin-retail-stores-allowed-to-reopen-under-new-order/article_32d3e16a-2307-5988-8f4f-72b5b75f83c0.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1

May the odds be ever in your favor, guys and gals.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

14 day decrease in positives, step one of opening back up.

https://wkow.com/2020/05/11/6-4-percent-of-covid-19-tests-come-back-positive-9-more-dead/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW

[Hards Alumni]

[Hards Alumni]

14 day decrease in positives, step one of opening back up.

https://wkow.com/2020/05/11/6-4-percent-of-covid-19-tests-come-back-positive-9-more-dead/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW

May be short lived.  Check out what is happening to Germany.

[mu_hilltopper]

14 day decrease in positives, step one of opening back up.

https://wkow.com/2020/05/11/6-4-percent-of-covid-19-tests-come-back-positive-9-more-dead/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_WKOW

So .. a couple things:
1. That is not a 14 day decrease.  4 of the 14 days, the %age went up. 


2. Can someone please explain how that's a statistic that means anything?


Positive tests divided by total tests?   That'd be an important stat if huge magnitudes of people were getting tests.   Otherwise, it seems to be a rather meaningless figure, based on test volume.   If a new test site opens .. or a bunch of people decide they want tests .. or a bunch of people decide it's a beautiful day and they'll feel better tomorrow .. bang, your number is at the whim of who goes in that day.


Just this week, there are multiple sites opening specifically with "no symptoms required" .. it's a guarantee that the Pos/Total %age will plummet.  Construing that as a "positive trend" is daffy.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

CT has a goal for absolute number of tests and number of positive tests as a percent of total tests  (<10%).

If you have both it points to what you allude to Hilltopper. If you cherry pick one or the other it is potentially meaningless.

As an aside here is our governors reopen criteria and progress. It’s probably not perfect to all but feels well thought out.  This one is a couple days old. 

https://housedems.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d5ebe2531c17a98b4479a09e7&id=583b0fe670&e=4863e4bb37 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

So .. a couple things:
1. That is not a 14 day decrease.  4 of the 14 days, the %age went up. 


2. Can someone please explain how that's a statistic that means anything?


Positive tests divided by total tests?   That'd be an important stat if huge magnitudes of people were getting tests.   Otherwise, it seems to be a rather meaningless figure, based on test volume.   If a new test site opens .. or a bunch of people decide they want tests .. or a bunch of people decide it's a beautiful day and they'll feel better tomorrow .. bang, your number is at the whim of who goes in that day.


Just this week, there are multiple sites opening specifically with "no symptoms required" .. it's a guarantee that the Pos/Total %age will plummet.  Construing that as a "positive trend" is daffy.

14 days is the governor's metric, not mine. 

[mu_hilltopper]

14 days is the governor's metric, not mine. 

Right, right, I was just asking about the stat itself. 

.. another element:  90+% of people who think they have symptoms and want the test .. are wrong.  As education about the virus goes up (which is good) .. the Positives/Total go up too ("bad") because fewer negatives will go get tested.

Seems like a nonsense stat.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Right, right, I was just asking about the stat itself. 

.. another element:  90+% of people who think they have symptoms and want the test .. are wrong.  As education about the virus goes up (which is good) .. the Positives/Total go up too ("bad") because fewer negatives will go get tested.

Seems like a nonsense stat.

If you are testing broadly and you have a low percent positive it means you understand total infections to some degree. If you are testing broadly and the positive test percent is high—virus out of control.  Best case is random samples to catch the asymptomatic, coupled with low percent positive.

[Hards Alumni]

If you are testing broadly and you have a low percent positive it means you understand total infections to some degree. If you are testing broadly and the positive test percent is high—virus out of control.  Best case is random samples to catch the asymptomatic, coupled with low percent positive.

My man.

[Jockey]

No surprise. Supreme court rules against Evers.

Guess the justices can come out of their bunkers now.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Damn your obsessed.

FIFY

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ironically, Evers "Badger Bounce Back" plan followed the guidelines set up by the White House.  Frankly it is a sensible plan that makes sense but who knows what's going to happen now.

[Johnny B]

Ironically, Evers "Badger Bounce Back" plan followed the guidelines set up by the White House.  Frankly it is a sensible plan that makes sense but who knows what's going to happen now.

Its called partisan tribalism. If trump does it. Its great. Hes doing a great job. If a guy with a D next to his name does it. Its terrible. Its tyranny. Its communism. Both sides do this but yeahhh

[Uncle Rico]

State republicans ask for a stay of the ruling so they can come up with a plan to re-Open Wisconsin. 

Hope they don’t feel rushed