Wisconsin

[Galway Eagle]

What about the trades. Landscaping, construction, masonry, welding,painting, woodwork. Etc. Are these essential? Doesnt even matter almost all of these will continue to operate anyways

Private contractors need customers, customers don't want people who might be contagious coming into their homes. Larger companies won't operate because they're liable to the unions and want government contracts and won't risk those.

[🏀]

Private contractors need customers, customers don't want people who might be contagious coming into their homes. Larger companies won't operate because they're liable to the unions and want government contracts and won't risk those.

Every state with actual winter wants their road building industry back to work. They want those larger numbers off the unemployment count.

[mu03eng]

Every state with actual winter wants their road building industry back to work. They want those larger numbers off the unemployment count.

Theoretically this is the perfect time to accelerate infrastructure projects, minimal usage, projects don't require a lot of interaction face to face, and it keeps workers working.

[mu_hilltopper]

That being said .. state tax receipts are going to completely plummet in the next many quarters. 

Like in 2008, the Feds will/should dump billions into "shovel ready" projects.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Theoretically this is the perfect time to accelerate infrastructure projects, minimal usage, projects don't require a lot of interaction face to face, and it keeps workers working.

Connecticut is keeping all road construction projects open.  There are not a lot of workers at the sites and with way less traffic passing by they can make more progress on the project.

[jsglow]

Another appropriate measure to lower the R0 multiplication factor.  This is simply another reasonable step to reduce the number of idiots out there who think this whole thing doesn't apply to them. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That being said .. state tax receipts are going to completely plummet in the next many quarters. 

Like in 2008, the Feds will/should dump billions into "shovel ready" projects.

Yeah that didn't really work though.  Infrastructure takes too long to plan for and too long to deploy. 

[GooooMarquette]

FWIW - Connecticut is already at this point.  This is the "essential list" in a recent COVID-19 email I received from my State Senator.  I'm sure this list will be similar everywhere.


To the extent possible, employees of Essential Businesses whose duties are not critical to an Essential Business function described below should telecommute or utilize any work from home procedures available to them.

For purposes of Executive Order 7H, “essential business,” means:

1. Essential workers in the 16 Critical Infrastructure Sectors, as defined by the federal Department of Homeland Security unless otherwise addressed in a prior or future executive order pertaining to the existing declared public health and civil preparedness emergency.

2. Healthcare and related operations including
 biotechnology therapies
 consumer health products and services
 doctor and dentist offices
 elder care, including adult day care
 health care plans and health care data
 home health care workers or aides
 hospitals
 manufacturing, distributing, warehousing, and supplying of pharmaceuticals, including research and development
 medical marijuana dispensaries and producers
 medical supplies and equipment providers, including devices, diagnostics, services, and any other healthcare related supplies or                  services
 medical wholesale and distribution
 nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
 pharmacies
 physical therapy and chiropractic offices
 research and laboratory services, including testing and treatment of COVID-19
 veterinary and animal health services
 walk-in-care health facilities

3. Infrastructure including
 airports/airlines
 commercial trucking
 dam maintenance and support
 education-related functions at the primary, secondary, or higher education level to provide support for students, including distribution of        meals or faculty conducting e-learning
 hotels and other places of accommodation
 water and wastewater operations, systems, and businesses
 telecommunications and data centers
 transportation infrastructure including bus, rail, for-hire vehicles and vehicle rentals, and garages
 utilities including power generation, fuel supply, and transmission

4. All manufacturing and corresponding supply chains, including aerospace, agriculture, and related support businesses

5. Retail including
 appliances, electronics, computers, and telecom equipment
 big-box stores or wholesale clubs, provided they also sell groceries, consumer health products, or operate a pharmacy
 convenience stores
 gas stations
 grocery stores including all food and beverage retailers
 guns and ammunition
 hardware, paint, and building material stores, including home appliance sales/repair
 liquor/package stores and manufacturer permittees
 pharmacies
 pet and pet supply stores

6. Food and agriculture, including
 farms and farmer’s markets
 food manufacturing, processing, storage, and distribution facilities
 nurseries, garden centers, and agriculture supply stores
 restaurants/bars (provided compliance with all applicable executive orders is maintained)

7. Services including
 accounting and payroll services
 animal shelters or animal care or management, including boarding, grooming, pet walking and pet sitting
 auto supply, repair, towing, and service, including roadside assistance
 bicycle repair and service
 building cleaning and maintenance
 child care services
 critical operations support for financial institutions
 financial advisors
 financial institutions, including banks, credit unions, and check cashing services
 funeral homes, crematoriums, and cemeteries
 insurance companies
 laundromats/dry cleaning
 legal and accounting services
 mail and shipping services
 marinas and marine repair and service
 news and media
 real estate transactions and related services, including residential leasing and renting
 religious services (subject to Executive Order 7D limiting gatherings to 50 people)
 storage for Essential Businesses
 trash and recycling collection, hauling, and processing
 warehouse/distribution, shipping, and fulfillment

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including
 food banks
 homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
 human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support social service agencies

9. Construction including
 all skilled trades such as electricians, HVAC, and plumbers
 general construction, both commercial and residential
 other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes
 planning, engineering, design, bridge inspection, and other construction support activities

10. Services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of all residences and other buildings (including services necessary to secure and maintain non-essential workplaces)
 building cleaners or janitors
 building code enforcement
 disinfection
 doormen
 emergency management and response
 fire prevention and response
 general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
 home-related services, including real estate transactions, closings, appraisals, and moving services
 landscaping services
 law enforcement
 outdoor maintenance, including pool service
 pest control services
 security and maintenance, including steps reasonably necessary to secure and maintain non-essential businesses
 state marshals

11. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care, and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including
 billboard leasing and maintenance
 child care services
 essential government services
 government owned or leased buildings
 information technology and information security
 logistics
 technology support

12. Defense
 defense and national security-related business and operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government
If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an Essential Business.

Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should ONLY be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance. If your business is not included and you feel that it is an essential business, you can appeal to have it added to the list of essential businesses.  Here is the link to file your appeal.  https://portal.ct.gov/DECD/Content/Coronavirus-for-Businesses/Essential-Business-Designation-Form

With a list like that, it would have been a hell of a lot easier (and shorter) to put out a list of non-essential businesses.

An order with no teeth....

[Johnny B]

With a list like that, it would have been a hell of a lot easier (and shorter) to put out a list of non-essential businesses.

An order with no teeth....

I dont think you needed to quoute this giant list but yeah anyways i agree.

[Johnny B]

FWIW - Connecticut is already at this point.  This is the "essential list" in a recent COVID-19 email I received from my State Senator.  I'm sure this list will be similar everywhere.


To the extent possible, employees of Essential Businesses whose duties are not critical to an Essential Business function described below should telecommute or utilize any work from home procedures available to them.

For purposes of Executive Order 7H, “essential business,” means:

1. Essential workers in the 16 Critical Infrastructure Sectors, as defined by the federal Department of Homeland Security unless otherwise addressed in a prior or future executive order pertaining to the existing declared public health and civil preparedness emergency.

2. Healthcare and related operations including
 biotechnology therapies
 consumer health products and services
 doctor and dentist offices
 elder care, including adult day care
 health care plans and health care data
 home health care workers or aides
 hospitals
 manufacturing, distributing, warehousing, and supplying of pharmaceuticals, including research and development
 medical marijuana dispensaries and producers
 medical supplies and equipment providers, including devices, diagnostics, services, and any other healthcare related supplies or                  services
 medical wholesale and distribution
 nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
 pharmacies
 physical therapy and chiropractic offices
 research and laboratory services, including testing and treatment of COVID-19
 veterinary and animal health services
 walk-in-care health facilities

3. Infrastructure including
 airports/airlines
 commercial trucking
 dam maintenance and support
 education-related functions at the primary, secondary, or higher education level to provide support for students, including distribution of        meals or faculty conducting e-learning
 hotels and other places of accommodation
 water and wastewater operations, systems, and businesses
 telecommunications and data centers
 transportation infrastructure including bus, rail, for-hire vehicles and vehicle rentals, and garages
 utilities including power generation, fuel supply, and transmission

4. All manufacturing and corresponding supply chains, including aerospace, agriculture, and related support businesses

5. Retail including
 appliances, electronics, computers, and telecom equipment
 big-box stores or wholesale clubs, provided they also sell groceries, consumer health products, or operate a pharmacy
 convenience stores
 gas stations
 grocery stores including all food and beverage retailers
 guns and ammunition
 hardware, paint, and building material stores, including home appliance sales/repair
 liquor/package stores and manufacturer permittees
 pharmacies
 pet and pet supply stores

6. Food and agriculture, including
 farms and farmer’s markets
 food manufacturing, processing, storage, and distribution facilities
 nurseries, garden centers, and agriculture supply stores
 restaurants/bars (provided compliance with all applicable executive orders is maintained)

7. Services including
 accounting and payroll services
 animal shelters or animal care or management, including boarding, grooming, pet walking and pet sitting
 auto supply, repair, towing, and service, including roadside assistance
 bicycle repair and service
 building cleaning and maintenance
 child care services
 critical operations support for financial institutions
 financial advisors
 financial institutions, including banks, credit unions, and check cashing services
 funeral homes, crematoriums, and cemeteries
 insurance companies
 laundromats/dry cleaning
 legal and accounting services
 mail and shipping services
 marinas and marine repair and service
 news and media
 real estate transactions and related services, including residential leasing and renting
 religious services (subject to Executive Order 7D limiting gatherings to 50 people)
 storage for Essential Businesses
 trash and recycling collection, hauling, and processing
 warehouse/distribution, shipping, and fulfillment

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including
 food banks
 homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
 human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support social service agencies

9. Construction including
 all skilled trades such as electricians, HVAC, and plumbers
 general construction, both commercial and residential
 other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes
 planning, engineering, design, bridge inspection, and other construction support activities

10. Services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of all residences and other buildings (including services necessary to secure and maintain non-essential workplaces)
 building cleaners or janitors
 building code enforcement
 disinfection
 doormen
 emergency management and response
 fire prevention and response
 general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
 home-related services, including real estate transactions, closings, appraisals, and moving services
 landscaping services
 law enforcement
 outdoor maintenance, including pool service
 pest control services
 security and maintenance, including steps reasonably necessary to secure and maintain non-essential businesses
 state marshals

11. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care, and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including
 billboard leasing and maintenance
 child care services
 essential government services
 government owned or leased buildings
 information technology and information security
 logistics
 technology support

12. Defense
 defense and national security-related business and operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government
If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an Essential Business.

Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should ONLY be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance. If your business is not included and you feel that it is an essential business, you can appeal to have it added to the list of essential businesses.  Here is the link to file your appeal.  https://portal.ct.gov/DECD/Content/Coronavirus-for-Businesses/Essential-Business-Designation-Form

Good information thanks

[Hards Alumni]

Good information thanks

lol

[#UnleashSean]

Indeed, my company sent out a note that roughly said "We're essential.  If you want a letter you can show people, we will provide it."

IMO, I have a hard time imagining our products as essential.

A lot of companys are pulling a "gamestop". More scared of losses to their profits then to their employees.

[#UnleashSean]

FWIW - Connecticut is already at this point.  This is the "essential list" in a recent COVID-19 email I received from my State Senator.  I'm sure this list will be similar everywhere.


To the extent possible, employees of Essential Businesses whose duties are not critical to an Essential Business function described below should telecommute or utilize any work from home procedures available to them.

For purposes of Executive Order 7H, “essential business,” means:

1. Essential workers in the 16 Critical Infrastructure Sectors, as defined by the federal Department of Homeland Security unless otherwise addressed in a prior or future executive order pertaining to the existing declared public health and civil preparedness emergency.

2. Healthcare and related operations including
 biotechnology therapies
 consumer health products and services
 doctor and dentist offices
 elder care, including adult day care
 health care plans and health care data
 home health care workers or aides
 hospitals
 manufacturing, distributing, warehousing, and supplying of pharmaceuticals, including research and development
 medical marijuana dispensaries and producers
 medical supplies and equipment providers, including devices, diagnostics, services, and any other healthcare related supplies or                  services
 medical wholesale and distribution
 nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
 pharmacies
 physical therapy and chiropractic offices
 research and laboratory services, including testing and treatment of COVID-19
 veterinary and animal health services
 walk-in-care health facilities

3. Infrastructure including
 airports/airlines
 commercial trucking
 dam maintenance and support
 education-related functions at the primary, secondary, or higher education level to provide support for students, including distribution of        meals or faculty conducting e-learning
 hotels and other places of accommodation
 water and wastewater operations, systems, and businesses
 telecommunications and data centers
 transportation infrastructure including bus, rail, for-hire vehicles and vehicle rentals, and garages
 utilities including power generation, fuel supply, and transmission

4. All manufacturing and corresponding supply chains, including aerospace, agriculture, and related support businesses

5. Retail including
 appliances, electronics, computers, and telecom equipment
 big-box stores or wholesale clubs, provided they also sell groceries, consumer health products, or operate a pharmacy
 convenience stores
 gas stations
 grocery stores including all food and beverage retailers
 guns and ammunition
 hardware, paint, and building material stores, including home appliance sales/repair
 liquor/package stores and manufacturer permittees
 pharmacies
 pet and pet supply stores

6. Food and agriculture, including
 farms and farmer’s markets
 food manufacturing, processing, storage, and distribution facilities
 nurseries, garden centers, and agriculture supply stores
 restaurants/bars (provided compliance with all applicable executive orders is maintained)

7. Services including
 accounting and payroll services
 animal shelters or animal care or management, including boarding, grooming, pet walking and pet sitting
 auto supply, repair, towing, and service, including roadside assistance
 bicycle repair and service
 building cleaning and maintenance
 child care services
 critical operations support for financial institutions
 financial advisors
 financial institutions, including banks, credit unions, and check cashing services
 funeral homes, crematoriums, and cemeteries
 insurance companies
 laundromats/dry cleaning
 legal and accounting services
 mail and shipping services
 marinas and marine repair and service
 news and media
 real estate transactions and related services, including residential leasing and renting
 religious services (subject to Executive Order 7D limiting gatherings to 50 people)
 storage for Essential Businesses
 trash and recycling collection, hauling, and processing
 warehouse/distribution, shipping, and fulfillment

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including
 food banks
 homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
 human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support social service agencies

9. Construction including
 all skilled trades such as electricians, HVAC, and plumbers
 general construction, both commercial and residential
 other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes
 planning, engineering, design, bridge inspection, and other construction support activities

10. Services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of all residences and other buildings (including services necessary to secure and maintain non-essential workplaces)
 building cleaners or janitors
 building code enforcement
 disinfection
 doormen
 emergency management and response
 fire prevention and response
 general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
 home-related services, including real estate transactions, closings, appraisals, and moving services
 landscaping services
 law enforcement
 outdoor maintenance, including pool service
 pest control services
 security and maintenance, including steps reasonably necessary to secure and maintain non-essential businesses
 state marshals

11. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care, and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including
 billboard leasing and maintenance
 child care services
 essential government services
 government owned or leased buildings
 information technology and information security
 logistics
 technology support

12. Defense
 defense and national security-related business and operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government
If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an Essential Business.

Requests by businesses to be designated an essential function as described above, should ONLY be made if they are NOT covered by the guidance. If your business is not included and you feel that it is an essential business, you can appeal to have it added to the list of essential businesses.  Here is the link to file your appeal.  https://portal.ct.gov/DECD/Content/Coronavirus-for-Businesses/Essential-Business-Designation-Form

The list would have been shorter if they named what wasn't an essential business.

[WarriorDad]

That being said .. state tax receipts are going to completely plummet in the next many quarters. 

Like in 2008, the Feds will/should dump billions into "shovel ready" projects.

But that didn’t work well then, why now will it?

[jficke13]

We'll let you know what "essential business" means at some point in the future, maybe tomorrow, maybe not. Who knows!

Thanks, really helping us figure out how to respond over here.

[mu03eng]

We'll let you know what "essential business" means at some point in the future, maybe tomorrow, maybe not. Who knows!

Thanks, really helping us figure out how to respond over here.

Safer at home, cause ya know we have no idea what is going out there.

[Lighthouse 84]

Does anyone have any more info on Village Pointe Commons in Grafton?  Have they contained it or have they had more test positive?

[Hards Alumni]

We'll let you know what "essential business" means at some point in the future, maybe tomorrow, maybe not. Who knows!

Thanks, really helping us figure out how to respond over here.

If it is as disappointing as some of the lists we have seen, its lip service, and will not have much of a noticeable effect.  This slow walk to a total lockdown needs to stop.  Just do it already and spare our poor health care workers any more misery than they are already going through.

Wonder what the rate of retention will be when this is all in the clear.  How many will need serious psychiatric help once this is over.  I sure hope we give them all the resources they need.

[jficke13]

Honestly, lock it down or don't. There are obvious terms that require definitions, so provide the dang definitions.

If we're working on Connecticut's definition that seems to qualify everything as essential, we're open. If we're working on a different definition, we might not be. We've got a staff that doesn't know what's happening and we can't give them an answer. We can't even give them a timeline on when we might have an answer.

<deep breath>

/close rant

Sorry. Had to get it out of my system.

[jsglow]

If it is as disappointing as some of the lists we have seen, its lip service, and will not have much of a noticeable effect.  This slow walk to a total lockdown needs to stop.  Just do it already and spare our poor health care workers any more misery than they are already going through.

Wonder what the rate of retention will be when this is all in the clear.  How many will need serious psychiatric help once this is over.  I sure hope we give them all the resources they need.

You've seen the models that WaPo put out where movement was cut down by 80%, etc. and that it had a huge impact.  It is impossible to go to 100% lockdown.  In that model, how do we get food?  While I agree that the 'essential' list is ridiculously long, this will always be a balancing act.  What is intolerable to me are the folks (like those morons on Spring Break last week) who make little or no effort at all.
   

[Spotcheck Billy]

We just had a full company meeting, apparently Evers will order a state-wide shutdown likely starting Wednesday. We will close but if the order lasts longer than the 14 days passed in a bailout last week we are looking at layoffs.

[MUfan12]

We just had a full company meeting, apparently Evers will order a state-wide shutdown likely starting Wednesday. We will close but if the order lasts longer than the 14 days passed in a bailout last week we are looking at layoffs.

Separate from the order that will take effect tomorrow?

If so, why not just start the damn thing tomorrow.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Separate from the order that will take effect tomorrow?

If so, why not just start the damn thing tomorrow.

Because firms need time to figure things out, especially when working from home hasn't traditionally been an option.

The fact is you can't have a "total lockdown."  If you are keeping grocery stores, pharmacies, etc. open, you have to provide services to those stores.  Colleges still have some students still living in the residence halls.  They need to be fed and the common spaces need to be cleaned.  They are also providing classes remotely.  The IT support can't always be done remotely however.

Get as many people home as possible while still serving the basic needs of society.

[skianth16]

We just had a full company meeting, apparently Evers will order a state-wide shutdown likely starting Wednesday. We will close but if the order lasts longer than the 14 days passed in a bailout last week we are looking at layoffs.

Best of luck. That's a tough situation to be in. Lots of uncertainty these days. Hopefully there will be a light at the end of the tunnel soon.

[Jockey]

Honestly, lock it down or don't. There are obvious terms that require definitions, so provide the dang definitions.

If we're working on Connecticut's definition that seems to qualify everything as essential, we're open. If we're working on a different definition, we might not be. We've got a staff that doesn't know what's happening and we can't give them an answer. We can't even give them a timeline on when we might have an answer.

<deep breath>

/close rant

Sorry. Had to get it out of my system.

I think rants are justified in these tough times. I’ve gone off a couple times about the failure of leadership at the top.