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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: The Lens on August 28, 2013, 09:55:43 AM
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Casual Hoya tweeted this morning that the NBE sked is coming out next week.
Maybe we'll even have a website by then too.
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The news comes from Andy Katz's daily Three Point Play, which also says that the conference is looking to protect one rivalry game for the closing weekend of the season.
I figure that this game has to involve two carry over members of the Big East, right? If they want a game that's likely to be a game to decide the regular season title, Marquette-Georgetown has to be a likely candidate.
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I think Georgetown is going to get either St John's or Villanova. I can see us getting DePaul but hopefully they'll just realize DePaul and Seton Hall are hopeless and assign them each other.
G-town - St John's
PC - Nova
MU-Creighton
X-Butler
DePaul-Hall
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I think Georgetown is going to get either St John's or Villanova. I can see us getting DePaul but hopefully they'll just realize DePaul and Seton Hall are hopeless and assign them each other.
G-town - St John's
PC - Nova
MU-Creighton
X-Butler
DePaul-Hall
Dont we open BE play against Creigthon?
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Dont we open BE play against Creigthon?
Yes, and this league plays a true round robin so we will need to play them again, at home.
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I think Georgetown is going to get either St John's or Villanova. I can see us getting DePaul but hopefully they'll just realize DePaul and Seton Hall are hopeless and assign them each other.
G-town - St John's
PC - Nova
MU-Creighton
X-Butler
DePaul-Hall
Not Creighton we aren't even remotely rivals I could see X or Butler as we've recently beat them in the tournament or obviously Depaul as we used to be rivals. But hoping for Gtown.
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The problem with the trying to create a rivalry thing that will preserved is that Creighton is really hard to read going forward. Yes they'll be good this year, but what about going forward. Marquette v. Creighton looks on paper to be the two best teams in the western half of the league, but going forward I'm not so sure. I think Marquette and Xavier are much more likely to be the best west of the ohio river.
So if you're trying to set up rivals long term with geographic and competitive balance:
Marquette v. Xavier
Georgetown v. Nova
St. John's v. Providence
Seton Hall v. Depaul
Butler v. Creighton
might make more sense
I think Georgetown ends up with Villanova only other person I could see us with is St. John's.
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Butler and Xavier have had some wars in the non-league and last season as A-10 schools.
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MU-SJU
G-Town-Nova
SHU-Providence
DePaul-Creighton
Butler-Xavier
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Casual Hoya tweeted this morning that the NBE sked is coming out next week.
Maybe we'll even have a website by then too.
A fully operating website???? C'mon, now you're just talking crazy.
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A fully operating website???? C'mon, now you're just talking crazy.
Needless grinding of teeth here. Need to get it right the first time and the new BE needs to start its site on the right footing. Besides, who ever looks at those sites other than at tourney time?
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The issue of Creighton's merit after this season (no one will argue they won't be good this year) is good one. Does anyone know the quality of their recruiting classes going forward? According to ESPN, they've got a 3-star PF and a 2-star SF anchoring what appears to be an unremarkable 2013 class. And no commits for 2014.
By contrast, we've got three 4-star recruits and a 3-star on board this year, two 4-stars for 2014 so far, and even a 4-star locked down for 2015. Still, my question above isn't rhetorical--does Creighton anticipate some big commits coming down the pike? Are they counting on a big year in 2013-14 (along with the new conference) to attract recruits during and after the coming season?
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The issue of Creighton's merit after this season (no one will argue they won't be good this year) is good one. Does anyone know the quality of their recruiting classes going forward? According to ESPN, they've got a 3-star PF and a 2-star SF anchoring what appears to be an unremarkable 2013 class. And no commits for 2014.
By contrast, we've got three 4-star recruits and a 3-star on board this year, two 4-stars for 2014 so far, and even a 4-star locked down for 2015. Still, my question above isn't rhetorical--does Creighton anticipate some big commits coming down the pike? Are they counting on a big year in 2013-14 (along with the new conference) to attract recruits during and after the coming season?
I get your concern, but Buzz is one of the best recruiters in the country and we're coming from BCS status off of b2b S16s + an E8 and are expected to be the alpha dogs of the conference. Not fair to compare.
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The issue of Creighton's merit after this season (no one will argue they won't be good this year) is good one. Does anyone know the quality of their recruiting classes going forward? According to ESPN, they've got a 3-star PF and a 2-star SF anchoring what appears to be an unremarkable 2013 class. And no commits for 2014.
By contrast, we've got three 4-star recruits and a 3-star on board this year, two 4-stars for 2014 so far, and even a 4-star locked down for 2015. Still, my question above isn't rhetorical--does Creighton anticipate some big commits coming down the pike? Are they counting on a big year in 2013-14 (along with the new conference) to attract recruits during and after the coming season?
Definitely valid points. As far as our 2013 class, 2 of our 3 recruits had multiple BCS offers (boston college, marquette, iowa state, northwestern, arizona state, gonzaga, missouri) although they were not ranked in the top 150. Our 3rd freshmen recruit had about 15 or so midmajor offers. We also added two top 50 jucos late to round out the class. It was a good class by Missouri Valley standards. As for 2014, we just had 4 official visits the last two weekends. 2 of them are top 150 recruits (Riley LaChance and JP Macura) and one is a top 100 recruit (Leon Gilmore). Hopefully we can land a couple of them. Time will tell if Coach McDermott can recruit at a "Big East" level.
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MU-Creighton
G-Town-Nova
SHU-SJU
DePaul-Providence
Butler-Xavier
I agree that G-Town and Nova play each other in a rival game.
MU Creighton this year just because both should be in the top half and NCAA bound.
Butler and Xavier, given location and proximity.
I think they will want to try to get SHU and SJU to get something going, but I could see MU play SJU because both will be near the top.
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C'Monnnnnn Butler Away on a Saturday night....
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Is the schedule out? We play at Butler on a Sat nite?
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Is the schedule out? We play at Butler on a Sat nite?
No, but I'm hoping to make the trip and that would certainly make it easier.
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UW released their schedule. 1:15 (?) start time. Anybody know why?
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UW released their schedule. 1:15 (?) start time. Anybody know why?
7:15 start for the Big Ten Championship game might have something to do with it. Big Ten Network might have the rights to the hoops game and wants it done before their pre-game show starts.
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Is the schedule out? We play at Butler on a Sat nite?
If you say it enough, it will happen.
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UW released their schedule. 1:15 (?) start time. Anybody know why?
Why what?
It's a day game because hockey is at night. It starts 15 minutes after the hour because it has BTN written all over it.
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If you say it enough, it will happen.
Lets hope not--Sat Nites are reserved for games at the BC vs. George, not frickin Indianapolis, Indiana.
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The issue of Creighton's merit after this season (no one will argue they won't be good this year) is good one. Does anyone know the quality of their recruiting classes going forward? According to ESPN, they've got a 3-star PF and a 2-star SF anchoring what appears to be an unremarkable 2013 class. And no commits for 2014.
By contrast, we've got three 4-star recruits and a 3-star on board this year, two 4-stars for 2014 so far, and even a 4-star locked down for 2015. Still, my question above isn't rhetorical--does Creighton anticipate some big commits coming down the pike? Are they counting on a big year in 2013-14 (along with the new conference) to attract recruits during and after the coming season?
The top player in their 2013 class is arguably Toby Hegner, a WI kid. Played travel ball with Matt Thomas (Iowa State FR). Tall traditional (6'10" ish).
Redshirt freshman (from 2012 class) Isaiah Zierden (from Minnesota) isn't new to the program, but didn't play last year. He could be nice for them in another year.
But.. they'll not only lose the coaches kid.. but Gibbs will be gone as will another senior - Ethan Wragge (Minnesota). Wragge is a 6'7" kid who came off the bench to shoot 45% on 3's and made more treys than McDermott.
It's a big year for Creighton.
The reality is they probably will continue to recruit the same types of kids they have in the past. It may be good enough for them to be a program that often feels like they have a chance to make the tournament at the beginning of the season, but I don't think they are going to all of a sudden bring in 'elevated interest' from higher profile guys.
They'll continue to go after guys like a 2014 JP Macura. Talented player who has interest from some* other high majors and may be a top 100 kid... but they are not going to consistently be fighting w/Georgetown or MU for recruits.
Good program, but I think there is a ceiling on it. (Being blunt but honest; I like the school a lot.)
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Zierden is the son of longtime NBA assistant Don Zierden.
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The top player in their 2013 class is arguably Toby Hegner, a WI kid. Played travel ball with Matt Thomas (Iowa State FR). Tall traditional (6'10" ish).
Redshirt freshman (from 2012 class) Isaiah Zierden (from Minnesota) isn't new to the program, but didn't play last year. He could be nice for them in another year.
But.. they'll not only lose the coaches kid.. but Gibbs will be gone as will another senior - Ethan Wragge (Minnesota). Wragge is a 6'7" kid who came off the bench to shoot 45% on 3's and made more treys than McDermott.
It's a big year for Creighton.
The reality is they probably will continue to recruit the same types of kids they have in the past. It may be good enough for them to be a program that often feels like they have a chance to make the tournament at the beginning of the season, but I don't think they are going to all of a sudden bring in 'elevated interest' from higher profile guys.
They'll continue to go after guys like a 2014 JP Macura. Talented player who has interest from some* other high majors and may be a top 100 kid... but they are not going to consistently be fighting w/Georgetown or MU for recruits.
Good program, but I think there is a ceiling on it. (Being blunt but honest; I like the school a lot.)
I think it will be worse in the future than you paint. My guess is McDermott leaves at the end of the season and CU will be going through a coaching transition.
From his perspective--his stock will never be higher. In the four years before he arrived Creighton was four years removed from their last NCAA tournament. He's got them back into the NCAA 2 years in a row--and looks to have a good team this year. His son will be gone, Creighton will be going through a big transition, and its going to be tougher to compete in the new Big East than it was in the MVC.
If he wants to leverage a big payday, this is going to be the year to do it.
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I think it will be worse in the future than you paint. My guess is McDermott leaves at the end of the season and CU will be going through a coaching transition.
Where is McDermott going to go? I think a lot of BCS-type programs are going to be pretty leery of him considering he pretty much tanked at ISU.
I think JayBee is right. He will stay at Creighton because that's his best option. He will continue to recruit the same type of guys. Time will tell if that works.
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Perhaps we should change this thread to NBE Sked comes out this week
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I think it will be worse in the future than you paint. My guess is McDermott leaves at the end of the season and CU will be going through a coaching transition.
From his perspective--his stock will never be higher. In the four years before he arrived Creighton was four years removed from their last NCAA tournament. He's got them back into the NCAA 2 years in a row--and looks to have a good team this year. His son will be gone, Creighton will be going through a big transition, and its going to be tougher to compete in the new Big East than it was in the MVC.
If he wants to leverage a big payday, this is going to be the year to do it.
Maybe...but I don't think banking on his son's success will do much for his reputation as a coach. If he wants to make a jump to a better program, he will need to prove that he can succeed without his son. Creighton is in a major conference now, you have to be a pretty darn good coach to get a better job than that.
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Where is McDermott going to go? I think a lot of BCS-type programs are going to be pretty leery of him considering he pretty much tanked at ISU.
I think JayBee is right. He will stay at Creighton because that's his best option. He will continue to recruit the same type of guys. Time will tell if that works.
In a world where Steve Alford can wind up at a historically elite program in UCLA, I think there are more than few teams that might be willing take a look.
Especially when you could write off Iowa State a an aberration in an otherwise fine career. McDermott is 3-1 when it comes to turnarounds: taking D2 Wayne State from a .500 team to 26-6 (and only NCAA tournaments in school history). Then took Northern Iowa to their first NCAA tournament since 1990, and his record there included only the 2nd, 3rd and 4th NCAA tournaments in school history.
Now at Creighton, he turned them around from 3 NITs and a CBI the four years before he arrived to what is likely 3 straight NCAAs.
Look at it this way--if McDermott takes CU to the Sweet 16, it will be the first for Creighton since 1974, and only the 3rd in the last 50 years. If he gets them further it will be the school's best finish ever, and go a long way to making people forget Iowa State.
I have to think that entire track record is likely to get him at least mentioned in the coaching carousel in 2014.
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McDermott is an Iowa native, and has spent his coaching career in the Iowa/Nebraska/Dakota area, and he already has arguably the best job in that area. He's certainly not leaving for Iowa, Iowa State or Nebraska. Minnesota is going to see what young Pitino for the next few years, and Kansas would hire someone better than McDermott if Self ever leaves. He's well-compensated at Creighton, and he doesn't strike me as the mercenary type that would go after any job. I guess you never know, but I don't see any reason to think he goes anywhere.
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Where is McDermott going to go? I think a lot of BCS-type programs are going to be pretty leery of him considering he pretty much tanked at ISU.
I think JayBee is right. He will stay at Creighton because that's his best option. He will continue to recruit the same type of guys. Time will tell if that works.
Texas :)
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Texas :)
Wrong, Buzz to Texas - McDermott to Marquette ::)
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McDermott is an Iowa native, and has spent his coaching career in the Iowa/Nebraska/Dakota area, and he already has arguably the best job in that area. He's certainly not leaving for Iowa, Iowa State or Nebraska. Minnesota is going to see what young Pitino for the next few years, and Kansas would hire someone better than McDermott if Self ever leaves. He's well-compensated at Creighton, and he doesn't strike me as the mercenary type that would go after any job. I guess you never know, but I don't see any reason to think he goes anywhere.
Why wouldn't McDermott to Iowa be a possibility after Fran's big run this season?
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Why wouldn't McDermott to Iowa be a possibility after Fran's big run this season?
I just don't think Iowa would ever take a coach that didn't cut it at ISU.
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Jeez, is the schedulemaker the same guy who's responsible for getting the website up and running?
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There is just a lot that goes into making the schedule, especially when so many of the schools don't have their own dedicated arenas. We share with NBA, Georgetown with NBA/NHL, St. Johns NBA/NHL, Villanova (for 3 games a year) NBA/NHL, and Seton Hall with NHL not to mention concerts, indoor motorsports, wrestling, and various other activities that all want these arena at certain times. Not sure where a lot of these schools stand on the hierarchy for scheduling but I'm sure they are at least behind the pro teams.
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Was hoping today would be the day. The schedule release will now get lost in the mania of nfl starting
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NBE is already behind the OBE as the schedule last year came out a year ago today in the morning.
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Still not released? Wtf
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NBE is already behind the OBE as the schedule last year came out a year ago today in the morning.
so the schedule is now 1 day late? ::)
It's Hiroshima all over again
#kwityerbitchin
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so the schedule is now 1 day late? ::)
It's Hiroshima all over again
#kwityerbitchin
Just concerned it might hurt our seeding
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Just concerned it might hurt our seeding
This is all Michael Beasley's fault
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Someone from the Creighton message board said it will be released today.
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Someone from the Creighton message board said it will be released today.
It's 4:30 for all but three teams in the conference so I doubt it unless they're waiting till the end p the work day for MU and creighton as well
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I'm sure if you keep hitting refresh on the new Big East website the new schedule will eventually load :)
There is also a rumor going around that the Big East may actually have some good teams and players competing in Women's and Men's Soccer, Cross Country and Women's volleyball. Like they might be playing in matches and meets somewhere.
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Schedule coming out today per ESPN and Georgetown will play Villanova at the end of the season.
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I'm sure if you keep hitting refresh on the new Big East website the new schedule will eventually load :)
There is also a rumor going around that the Big East may actually have some good teams and players competing in Women's and Men's Soccer, Cross Country and Women's volleyball. Like they might be playing in matches and meets somewhere.
What's your source?
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What's your source?
https://twitter.com/bigeastconf
Because really, who goes to websites for up-to-date news anymore?
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What's your source?
The various coaches polls.
In Men's soccer Creighton #2, Georgetown #11, St. Johns #23, Marquette #29. Women's soccer Georgetown and Marquette in top 25.
Women's Cross Country Providence ranked #1, Georgetown #6, Villanova #12.
The rest is just word of mouth
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Many Saturday games for MU.
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Here is the link.
http://www.vuhoops.com/2013/9/5/4697274/big-east-basketball-schedule-georgetown-villanova-final-game (http://www.vuhoops.com/2013/9/5/4697274/big-east-basketball-schedule-georgetown-villanova-final-game)
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And I was worried they were going to release it on time.
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Games until 2/1 are listed on gomarquette... still waiting for the last month of games
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Games until 2/1 are listed on gomarquette... still waiting for the last month of games
They pulled them... here's what leaked-
1/4- DePaul
1/9- at Xavier
1/11- SHU
1/18- at Butler
1/20- at G'town
2/22- at DePaul
3/2- at Nova
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so half the schedule on the road in a row then, that's cool
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so half the schedule on the road in a row then, that's cool
I think you need to look at the dates.
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those months are tricky ;)
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They pulled them... here's what leaked-
1/4- DePaul
1/9- at Xavier
1/11- SHU
1/18- at Butler
1/20- at G'town
2/22- at DePaul
3/2- at Nova
I think some of these are on CBS or CBS Sports network.
1/4 DePaul 1:00 CBS SN
1/18 @ Butler 1:00 CBS SN
2/22 @ DePaul 5:00 CBS SN
3/2 @ Nova 1:00 CBS
Also the New Hampshire game is 7:00 on CBS SN.
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http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/college/content/20130905-big-east-announces-full-league-schedule.ece
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Chance to win the BE regular season against STJ again. I like it.
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Chance to win the BE regular season against STJ again. I like it.
What happened to the "rivalry" begin-and-end with the same team concept?
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Can someone explain the CBS games? Does FOX sell off "unwanted" inventory to the highest bidder? And same question--but slightly different, do they sell off to the highly sought after inventory (MU vs Nova on CBS) to other players as well?
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What happened to the "rivalry" begin-and-end with the same team concept?
I don't think that was ever confirmed. Just something tossed around.
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What happened to the "rivalry" begin-and-end with the same team concept?
That was my statement and I am still hoping for Creighton.
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http://www.bigeast.org/genrel/090513aab.html
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Chance to win the BE regular season against STJ again. I like it.
I'm assuming we will have everything wrapped up before that!
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Can someone explain the CBS games? Does FOX sell off "unwanted" inventory to the highest bidder? And same question--but slightly different, do they sell off to the highly sought after inventory (MU vs Nova on CBS) to other players as well?
Everything has a price. CBS wants content and is willing to pay Fox for it.
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C'Monnnnnn Butler Away on a Saturday night....
There you go.....Sat Jan. 18th MU @ BUT...day game however.
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Are the games on the Fox Sports Network on the same channels you would see the NFL games (Fox5 in NY or Fox29 in Philly); your local Fox station?
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Are the games on the Fox Sports Network on the same channels you would see the NFL games (Fox5 in NY or Fox29 in Philly); your local Fox station?
Fox Sports Network is what local MLB, NBA and NHL team play on. In New York they have MSG and YES. Philly has comcast