2022-23 NCAA Men's Basketball Thread

[panda]

Kelvin Sampson cheats.  Cheating pays.  And there is a LOT of money in Houston.

If we want to win at Houston's level, we need Shaka to "bend" some rules and for the people who ponied up for Wojo's buyout to pony up for some talented hoopers.

His recruiting violation was sending too many text messages. Hardly on the Louisville/Arizona etc. level

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

His recruiting violation was sending too many text messages. Hardly on the Louisville/Arizona etc. level

Something that is completely legal now. And it was 15 years ago.

[MU82]

We're not but they're an example that prime-time resurgences are possible.  That program was nowhere on anyone's radar for a very, very, long time.  I think we're in a good place with Shaka but it never hurts to reiterate the tools necessary to elevate our program to an elite level once again.

Reasonable. I have said many times that we can be a very high-level program again (and I'm not the only Scooper who has said it). Just need the right coach. Hopefully, it's Shaka.

As for Sampson, his egregious NCAA violation almost seems quaint.

[Newsdreams]

Kelvin Sampson cheats.  Cheating pays.  And there is a LOT of money in Houston.

If we want to win at Houston's level, we need Shaka to "bend" some rules and for the people who ponied up for Wojo's buyout to pony up for some talented hoopers.

Cheating part of Jesuit path

[withoutbias]

Right.  Legal now.  Wasn't legal when he was doing it.  Then lied to the NCAA about it.

[Uncle Rico]

Right.  Legal now.  Wasn't legal when he was doing it.  Then lied to the NCAA about it.

Marquette should have hired him in ‘14 but Chico’s self-righteousness infected the athletic department

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Right.  Legal now.  Wasn't legal when he was doing it.  Then lied to the NCAA about it.

Do you have your fainting couch handy?

[panda]

Right.  Legal now.  Wasn't legal when he was doing it.  Then lied to the NCAA about it.

An antiquated rule at the time. On the sliding scale of cheating, this is handing out a t shirt.

[rocky_warrior]

I remember way back when, handing out bags of money used to be cheating.  Kids these days don't know how rough we had it.

[MuggsyB]

Sampson definitely paid a price for his cheating scandals.  What is undisputed is the guy can flat out coach.  The overall talent on his recent  teams have not been off the charts truthfully.  Clearly he knows what the H he is doing, and in particular establishing a defensive identity. 

[MU82]

Marquette should have hired him in ‘14 but Chico’s self-righteousness infected the athletic department

Stop it. Everybody knows we should have hired Chris Beard in 2014 -- he was coming off a 19-9 season for Angelo State!

[HouWarrior]

UH is public school with required reporting, incl under Texas law. This is the latest NIL reporting I could find. UH competes but nothing seems too large or out of line

It appears UH is competitive but certainly not an OSU or Alabama, where football is king and the larger amounts dwarf UH.
I like Star pizza, although its always as much a yuppie place to be seen as anything. Some interesting other sources noted here too.
I cant see any cheating red flags though.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/University-of-Houston-athletes-NIL-deals-17398263.php

[Silent Verbal]

Right.  Legal now.  Wasn't legal when he was doing it.  Then lied to the NCAA about it.

Does anyone really care about cheating in college sports anymore when it comes to anything but academic fraud? 

Oh wait, I know why you care so much.  Because the one thing Wojo actually did at Marquette was run a “clean” program.  Well, Wojo did a terrible job here, and he’s gone, and he’ll never be back.  If he returned for some type of anniversary like the 100 year celebration that happened a little while ago, he’d be booed harder than Buzz and Crean combined, because that’s what happens to you in sports when you’re a loser.  It’s the biggest sin you can commit, far bigger than a minor recruiting violation.  You believe that happy crappy?

[withoutbias]

Does anyone really care about cheating in college sports anymore when it comes to anything but academic fraud? 

Oh wait, I know why you care so much.  Because the one thing Wojo actually did at Marquette was run a “clean” program.  Well, Wojo did a terrible job here, and he’s gone, and he’ll never be back.  If he returned for some type of anniversary like the 100 year celebration that happened a little while ago, he’d be booed harder than Buzz and Crean combined, because that’s what happens to you in sports when you’re a loser.  It’s the biggest sin you can commit, far bigger than a minor recruiting violation.  You believe that happy crappy?

Such a minor recruiting violation that Indiana fired him in the middle of his second season when he was 22-4.

Not sure what the rest is about, but okay.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Such a minor recruiting violation that Indiana fired him in the middle of his second season when he was 22-4.

Not sure what the rest is about, but okay.

Again it was illegal at the time. It isn’t now. I don’t care what he is doing to land recruits in Houston. He could be texting them hundreds of times a day or dropping NIL bags on their porch. It’s all basically legal now.

[withoutbias]

Again it was illegal at the time. It isn’t now. I don’t care what he is doing to land recruits in Houston. He could be texting them hundreds of times a day or dropping NIL bags on their porch. It’s all basically legal now.

Right!  It was illegal when he was doing it!  He was cheating!

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Right!  It was illegal when he was doing it!  He was cheating!

Grab your fainting couch. I don’t care.

[withoutbias]

Grab your fainting couch. I don’t care.

Clearly!

[panda]

The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.

You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.

The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.

Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.

[withoutbias]

The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.

You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.

The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.

Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.

Hah! I’ve got a bridge up for sale. You in? Lot of interest so put your bid in soon!

[lawdog77]

The ncaa went on to change their rules very shortly after.

You have to be a colossal clown to equate the cheating Sampson did to the much more egregious acts his colleagues did/do every day.

The rules on cell phone communication at the time were very vague. It’s very likely he didn’t know he was cheating and when asked about it, he didn’t lie but didn’t know the rules.

Not great, but very much deserving of a second chance and I’m happy he’s taking advantage of it. I would love to have a man of his character coaching Marquette. He recruits high character kids and avoids off court disciplinary issues before and after the evil phone calls he made.

Was that concerning his violations at Oklahoma, or his violations at Indiana? I'm pretty sure he was put on a ban of no phone calls to recruits when he was at IU, so he had an assistant call the recruits from Sampson's home, with Sampson in the room. But hey, he didn't dial the number. Semantics, right?

He may have not known he was violating when at Oklahoma, but he damn sure did at IU.

[panda]

Hah! I’ve got a bridge up for sale. You in? Lot of interest so put your bid in soon!

Based on your recent posts on the World Cup and this, it seems you’re incapable of engaging in an actual conversation at the topic at hand.

Not much of a surprise given the positions you took in both topics.

[withoutbias]

Based on your recent posts on the World Cup and this, it seems you’re incapable of engaging in an actual conversation at the topic at hand.

Not much of a surprise given the positions you took in both topics.

When you say a guy who broke the same rule at not one but two jobs just didn’t know the rules because they were vague and he didn’t really lie to the NCAA, it’s hard to have a serious conversation with you.

Was that concerning his violations at Oklahoma, or his violations at Indiana? I'm pretty sure he was put on a ban of no phone calls to recruits when he was at IU, so he had an assistant call the recruits from Sampson's home, with Sampson in the room. But hey, he didn't dial the number. Semantics, right?

He may have not known he was violating when at Oklahoma, but he damn sure did at IU.

Sounds like someone who was just confused about vague rules.

[panda]

When you say a guy who broke the same rule at not one but two jobs just didn’t know the rules because they were vague and he didn’t really lie to the NCAA, it’s hard to have a serious conversation with you.

Sounds like someone who was just confused about vague rules.

Rules so benign that there is an ncaa official on record saying this in regards to Sampson and his calls - “We don’t even care about that anymore,” they said. “We aren't even wasting our time and resources with it.” So much so that the rules, in fact, are likely to change this year. There will almost certainly be more communication permitted between coaches and recruits, potentially even unlimited calls, and the NCAA is also set to allow text messaging in the recruiting process.

So yea he broke the rules and deserves to be punished. But he absolutely deserved a second chance and shouldn’t be labeled amongst some of his other less respectable colleagues.

[JWags85]

They are getting worked by a really good Zona team, but Wes Miller’s Cindy team is so much more fun to watch than the Mick Cronin rock fight teams